[00:10] <dogmatic69> hamitron: according to Azelphur they are heading the same way as cpu's. eg useless.
[00:14] <hamitron> they are
[00:14] <hamitron> but I want one anyways
[00:14] <hamitron> haha
[00:14] <dogmatic69> lol
[00:14] <dogmatic69> obviously making too much money mining :P
[00:14] <hamitron> ;/
[00:14] <hamitron> I bought the 6770 instead of fpga
[00:15] <hamitron> because I wanted better gpu in a couple of my machines at the time
[00:15] <hamitron> it is the ASIC that are only useful for bitcoin mining, I struggle to convince myself to buy
[00:16] <ali1234> ASIC doesn't obsolete GPU in the same way as GPU did to CPU... the jump is not so big
[00:16]  * penguin42 wonders how much of an ASIC it is - there are companies that have a FPGA-XASIC system that's not very optimal but will give an improvement
[00:17] <penguin42> a lot cheaper than the few $1M or more for a full ASIC build on a modern process
[00:17] <hamitron> ali1234: 450MH to 40,000MH is not a jump?
[00:18] <ali1234> not when you consider power usage
[00:18] <ali1234> after factoring the probability that the thing uses 2x more power than they claim, and gets only 0.5x the hash that they claim
[00:19] <hamitron> hehe, yeh
[00:19] <hamitron> I've decided I'm not buying any ASIC, until I see it
[00:20] <hamitron> I may lose out on the initial high profit
[00:20] <hamitron> but better than risking a load of cash imo
[00:20] <ali1234> buy a used fpga cheap
[00:20] <hamitron> butterfly labs are offering a trade in for their fpga units
[00:21] <hamitron> I'm wondering if they may offer reconditioned units cheap later
[00:21] <hamitron> which would be kind of cool, because you can re-program them to calculate other things
[00:21]  * penguin42 wonders why they sell their own FPGA cards as opposed to just selling an image for someone elses
[00:22] <hamitron> someone elses?
[00:23] <penguin42> FPGA dev cards are pretty common
[00:24] <hamitron> yeh, but they tend to be more expensive from what I've seen
[00:24] <hamitron> but more flexible ofc
[00:24] <penguin42> there are some cheap ones
[00:24] <ali1234> probably because they don't want some toe-rag to steal their firmware and rip them off
[00:24] <hamitron> that too
[00:25] <ali1234> and also because they have a chip fab plant
[00:25] <hamitron> penguin42: where? :/
[00:25] <penguin42> hamitron: http://www.xess.com/prods/prod055.php are kind of low end ones
[00:25] <ali1234> i suspect their original fpga design has some accelerated sha asic blocks too
[00:25] <penguin42> they use the Xilinx Spartan series
[00:25] <ali1234> but maybe it's just a generic fpga design with the serial numbers filed off
[00:26] <penguin42> ali1234: It's probably a one-time-programmable FPGA
[00:26] <penguin42> they're cheaper than the programmable ones - but you have to make sure you get it right :-)
[00:26] <ali1234> maybe
[00:26] <hamitron> it can't be, you can upload new "functions"
[00:27] <penguin42> the larger/more complex FPGAs cost more of course
[00:27] <penguin42> but there again, if as you're saying the data rate is very low - then why make it a PCI board
[00:28] <ali1234> it isn't
[00:28] <ali1234> it's a box that you plug in on usb
[00:29] <hamitron> even appears as a serial port
[00:29] <hamitron> :)
[00:29] <ali1234> "Ok, so now we are in the desert, and you find a genie, and you ask the  genie to make the carrot fresh again, and then wish a starving  billionaire would appear in front of you"
[00:29] <penguin42> oh right then, probably pretty easy to build yourself that type of thing in a few days using the free FPGA tools
[00:30] <ali1234> lolarguments
[00:30] <penguin42> then it's just proportional to how much you'll pay for the FPGA
[00:31] <hamitron> the results on the fpga dev boards I've seen, don't seem that cost effective
[00:31] <hamitron> :/
[00:31] <hamitron> otherwise I'd have grabbed one
[00:31] <hamitron> as things stand, I'd get a de0-nano just for playing with, then another for btc mining
[00:31] <penguin42> they don't clock particularly fast
[00:32] <ali1234> altera better supported on linux
[00:32] <ali1234> or so i'm told
[00:33] <penguin42> I've done Xilinx on Linux (on Ubuntu)
[00:33] <hamitron> I used altera at uni on linux
[00:33] <penguin42> (a few years ago - haven't done much with my board for a while)
[00:33] <hamitron> seemed ok
[00:35] <penguin42> hamitron: Well then, go build yourself a SHA256 FPGA
[00:36] <hamitron> heh
[00:36] <hamitron> always seem to be busy these days
[00:36] <penguin42> yeh
[00:37] <hamitron> doing 4x15 hour days each week atm
[00:37] <hamitron> so whilst I do have days off, I like to recover
[00:37] <hamitron> ;)
[00:38] <Azelphur> why does nobody want to recommend some nice small laptops :(
[00:38] <hamitron> I saw a nice lenovo in staples
[00:38] <Azelphur> hamitron: link?
[00:38] <hamitron> bah
[00:38]  * hamitron goes look
[00:40] <hamitron> http://www.staples.co.uk/technology/computing/computing/ideapad-s205-4gb-11-6-black?r=bf
[00:41] <Azelphur> that's pretty good actually, nice price too
[00:41] <hamitron> you'd ahve to do price checks
[00:41] <hamitron> I not looked around
[00:41] <Azelphur> 5 hours battery life is a bit meh, but I do have the extra universal battery
[00:41] <hamitron> or looked at specs closely
[00:41] <hamitron> but it looked good
[00:41] <hamitron> ;)
[00:41] <Azelphur> oh hey it has a radeon, that's nice too
[00:42] <hamitron> and felt good
[00:42] <Azelphur> could probably do a little bit of gaming on that
[00:43] <ali1234> http://shop.lenovo.com/us/laptops/thinkpad/x-series/x220
[00:44] <Azelphur> ali1234: that's nice, bit too big though, ideally looking <=11"
[00:45] <Azelphur> 11" fits in my coat pocket :D
[00:45] <ali1234> chromebook?
[00:45] <Azelphur> oh god, google taking over my everything
[00:45] <ali1234> well obviously you wipe it and put ubuntu
[00:45] <Azelphur> nah, would prefer a standard computer, I already have a Galaxy S3 and probably getting a nexus 7
[00:45] <ali1234> chromeOS sucks
[00:45] <Azelphur> oh, they can take Ubuntu?
[00:45] <ali1234> yeah
[00:45] <Azelphur> don't they have an ARM chip which has limited compatibility?
[00:45] <ali1234> no
[00:46] <ali1234> i5 dual core
[00:46] <penguin42> do they have any local storage?
[00:46] <ali1234> 16GB ssd
[00:46] <Azelphur> probably would want to swap that SSD out, a bit too small
[00:46] <penguin42> so no then :-)
[00:46] <Azelphur> (I have a 40GB SSD on the table that would do fine)
[00:46] <ali1234> you want the moon on a stick
[00:46] <hamitron> ali1234: you've worked it out
[00:46] <hamitron> :)
[00:46] <ali1234> i dont knw if you can swap the hd on chromebook
[00:46] <penguin42> ali1234: Problem is chromebooks just seem to be more expensive than stuff with windows on which seems sad
[00:47]  * hamitron just uses windows
[00:47] <ali1234> not really, cheap windows laptop/netbooks are pretty bad
[00:47] <ali1234> chromebook is actually nice hardware apparently
[00:48] <Azelphur> I like the idea of the decent bios that the chromebook has
[00:48] <Azelphur> I bet it'd boot fast
[00:48] <ali1234> 8 seconds
[00:48] <Azelphur> 8 seconds with Ubuntu?
[00:48] <ali1234> probaly not
[00:48] <Azelphur> lol was gonna say
[00:48] <Azelphur> would be cool to dual boot it
[00:50] <Azelphur> bit pricey for my requirements though
[00:51] <ali1234> moon on a stick
[00:51] <hamitron> I still think you are missing out, not having a windows phone
[00:51] <hamitron> ;)
[00:51] <Azelphur> ali1234: not really, I want a laptop for web browsing / im and decent battery life. An atom would be fine
[00:51] <ali1234> get a second hand netbook from ebay
[00:52] <Azelphur> hehe
[00:52] <hamitron> them acer ones are cheap
[00:52] <hamitron> maybe for a reason
[00:52]  * hamitron shrugs
[00:52] <Azelphur> I've had bad experience with acer, they seem to make terrible touchpads
[00:53] <ali1234> moon... stick...
[00:53] <ali1234> the acer ones are cheap because they sold millions of them
[00:53] <Azelphur> ali1234: I'd like it to turn on
[00:53]  * Azelphur waits for moon, stick
[00:54] <ali1234> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Acer-Aspire-One-ZG5-Netbook-Windows-7-Ultimate-/140812406269?pt=UK_Computing_Laptops_EH&hash=item20c912cdfd
[00:54] <Azelphur> yea, that's actually the exact netbook I was referring to when I said bad touchpad
[00:54] <Azelphur> I had the privilege of working with one of those for a while, I ended up vncing it because it was just totally unusable.
[00:55] <Azelphur> ali1234: as a sidenote I'd like 1080p video playback too
[00:55] <ali1234> it has a great touchpad
[00:55] <Azelphur> is today opposite day
[00:56] <Azelphur> also from what I hear anything less than N4xx atoms chug battery, which is also not great :)
[00:57] <hamitron> I wish I could get my hands on that Eee PC that had the AMD Geode cpu in it
[00:58] <hamitron> unfortunately, it appeared to be targeted for poor countries like Italy and Poland
[00:58] <Azelphur> yea, I had an eee before it was really nice, sold it to jacobw
[00:58]  * Azelphur is filled with regret
[00:58] <hamitron> they are nice
[00:58] <hamitron> but also this Geode version used a weird SiS chipset
[00:59] <hamitron> and there were still windows 98 drivers for it
[00:59] <hamitron> :D
[00:59] <Azelphur> lol
[00:59] <hamitron> battery life was really bad though
[00:59] <hamitron> and the cpu was only an i586
[00:59] <hamitron> so 10.04 only, or debian
[00:59] <hamitron> ;)
[01:00] <Azelphur> hehe
[01:00] <Azelphur> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ASUS-Eee-PC-1225B-SIV064M-Netbook-/330767469369?pt=UK_Computing_Laptops_EH&hash=item4d03470b39#ht_570wt_907 this looks quite nice, maybe this o.O
[01:06] <Azelphur> ali1234: hmm, I'm actually having trouble finding the i5 chromebooks, you got a link?
[01:06] <Azelphur> on the chromebook website they are all atoms or "intel core" processors
[01:07] <ali1234> it's because the chromebox is i5
[01:07] <ali1234> the chromebook is atom
[01:07] <Azelphur> oh
[01:07] <ali1234> or maybe not
[01:07] <ali1234> i dunno
[01:18] <dogmatic69> Is it possible to have the same wallet files shared to different pc's
[01:25] <Azelphur> dogmatic69: you need a determinalistic wallet for that, use electrum
[01:25] <dogmatic69> ah
[06:41] <MartijnVdS> cool
[06:41] <MartijnVdS> since today's upgrades, banshee crashes every time it switches to a new song after playing one
[07:14] <jacobw> morning
[07:20] <MartijnVdS> \o
[07:26] <jacobw> GB @ #3 :)
[07:33] <mattt> yeow
[07:38] <jacobw> meow
[08:57] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[09:01] <jacobw> morning
[09:01] <brobostigon> morning jacobw
[09:16] <mattt> heh
[09:16] <mattt> http://www.readingchronicle.co.uk/news/reading/articles/2012/08/05/61606-mums-anger-at-free-bus-pass-refusal/
[09:16] <mattt> i don't understand the schooling system here
[09:17] <ali1234> uphill both ways!
[09:18] <mattt> lol
[09:38] <KrimZon> LUXURY!
[09:41] <KrimZon> on the other hand, I cycle downhill to work - I wouldn't want it to be uphill on the way in
[09:57] <bigcalm> Hello peeps :)
[09:57] <brobostigon> hello bigcalm :)
[10:10] <bigcalm> If I greet peeps in here, it would be less rude if I were to not then leave the room for ages
[10:10] <bigcalm> Hi brobostigon, having a good day?
[10:11] <brobostigon> bigcalm: not bad upto now, still half asleep, and you?
[10:12] <bigcalm> Looking forward to the thunderstorms that are forecast for later today :D
[10:12] <bigcalm> Humm, well they were forecast on my phone
[10:12] <bigcalm> BBC weather doesn't think we'll be getting any
[10:12] <bigcalm> Ho-hum
[10:13] <bigcalm> Lots of rain though, maybe I should mow the lawns while it's still dry :S
[10:16] <brobostigon> same here yes, loads of rain. and maybe thinder etc.
[10:17] <brobostigon> thunder*
[11:15] <wayne__> Hi all, lauchpad is asking for my ssh key, how do i extract said key from my laptop?
[11:15] <ali1234> wayne__: it's in ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub
[11:15] <ali1234> or possibly not rsa but something else
[11:15] <ali1234> but you need the .pub file not the other one
[11:16] <wayne__> gotcha thanks
[11:27] <jacobw> wayne__: use ssh-keygen to generate the keys if they don't exist
[11:38] <wayne__> jacobw: thanks but im sorted now
[11:50] <wayne__> whats the command to change irc chat name?
[11:51] <brobostigon>  /nick newnick
[11:51] <wayne__> cheers
[11:51] <brobostigon> :)
[11:51] <wayne__> dosnt work
[11:52] <brobostigon> no spaces at the front,
[11:52] <wayne__> nope none
[11:52] <brobostigon> you client doesnt support that then.
[11:53] <wayne__> what client do you recommend for unbuntu 12.04?
[11:53] <brobostigon> i use irssi, and have for years, it a terminal client, i do not recommend it, but i dont know any others to be honest.
[11:53] <wayne__> fair enough
[11:54] <wayne__> thanks for your honesty
[11:54] <brobostigon> :)
[11:58] <SuperEngineer> thunder?  you send me thunder?! Oi! you upstairs! this is *not* suitable weather for my day off - #sortit !
[11:58] <MartijnVdS> but thunder is cool
[11:59] <SuperEngineer> [only if you get inside b4 wet stuff falls from the sky
[12:00] <jacobw> !xchat
[12:10] <n1md4> is it possible to launch ncurses (debian style) installer from live ubuntu cd?
[12:21] <n1md4> ...having read around, it would appear I've to install using the alternative iso, create the raid there, and I can then install mythbuntu-desktop.  Far too long winded, is it not possible to include raid and lvm in the gui installer?
[12:40] <penguin42> n1md4: I don't think so but it's a while since I tried
[12:42] <penguin42> n1md4: but I wouldn't worry about using the alternative iso - it's easy enough, just not pretty
[13:44] <penguin42> n1md4: I can find a note that there were plans to support software raid in the standard install bu tit looks like it never happened: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/foundations-lucid-software-raid-in-ubiquity-for-desktop-install
[15:04] <SuperEngineer> Today's lesson #1 - when running a bath... don't forget you're running a bath!
[15:05] <SuperEngineer> Today's lesson #2 - when using just the hot tap... don't stick your arm in to pull pull plug!
[15:05] <SuperEngineer> * pull the...
[15:06] <penguin42> ouch
[15:07] <SuperEngineer> Today's lesson #3 - there isn't an app in the s/w centre to politely translate subsequent swearing!
[15:07] <SuperEngineer> ;)
[15:07] <penguin42> oh that could be an interesting challenge
[15:07] <penguin42> the bug entries for it would be fun; 'Does not provide suitable translation for _____'
[15:07] <SuperEngineer> ... me likey
[15:11] <SuperEngineer> ['spose it could be quite easy - all nasties translated to a polite "oh darn", or "oh drat"!]
[15:11] <SuperEngineer> nah!!!
[15:13] <penguin42> SuperEngineer: Oh it would have to find the appropriate time to use such phrases as sugar, drat, turlingdrome, swut and joojooflop; or maybe even Belgium
[15:14] <SuperEngineer> perhaps app should translate all phrases to "shout that louder - you'll feel better"!
[15:15] <SuperEngineer> ...followed by - "next time, don't be so stupid!"
[15:15] <shauno> I'm sort of jealous of anyone who can fill the bath with hot water in one shot
[15:16] <SuperEngineer> shauno:  que?
[15:17] <jacobw> i really need to figure out how to turn the gas on in this flat
[15:17] <SuperEngineer> btw - Andy Murray just won
[15:17] <SuperEngineer> shauno - don't!
[15:18]  * penguin42 wonders where that lightening/thunder suddenly came from
[15:18] <SuperEngineer> if you can't work out how to turn it on - using it will be dangerous
[15:18] <jacobw> irritatingly, my flat has 4 boilers, the kitchen and bathroom sinks each have an electric boiler, while the bath and radiator each have a gas boiler
[15:18] <SuperEngineer> penguin42: I sent it away from here - it was getting me down ;0
[15:19] <SuperEngineer> jacobw: hmmm... pay the bill?
[15:20] <jacobw> i have to work out how to pay the bill, i live in germany and i don't speak german
[15:21] <SuperEngineer> btw - we've got silver & bronze in the "jump the dead horse" event
[15:21]  * jacobw resolves to learn more german
[15:21] <SuperEngineer> ...apparently - a.k.a. pommel horse
[15:28] <dwatkins> jacobw: how long are you there for?
[15:29] <jacobw> i don't know yet
[15:29] <penguin42> really heavy rain after that thunder; I bet some places will have flood problems
[15:29] <jacobw> it's just finised raining here
[15:31] <SuperEngineer> jacobw: Ich möchte meine gasrechnung bitte. Ich fühle mich dumm Bohrungen durch mein Nachbar's wall.
[15:32] <jacobw> ja, und wie kann ich antworted verstehen? :)
[15:33] <jacobw> s/antworted/antworten
[15:34] <SuperEngineer> ;)
[15:34] <dwatkins> jacobw: you could use e-mail to contact them, in theory
[15:34] <jacobw> i'll sort it out before winter
[15:34] <dwatkins> A lot of Germans tend to speak pretty good English in my experience, but that's mainly from talking to people in the IT industry, where it's probably more likely.
[15:34] <jacobw> ah, rural area ;)
[15:35] <jacobw> it's like finding french speakers in hull
[15:35] <dwatkins> You could always call them up and ask politely "Es tut mir leid, ich bin Englander, sprechen Sie Englisch?"
[15:35] <dwatkins> (yes, apologise for being english, go on...)
[15:35] <dwatkins> playing on stereotypes often helps
[15:35] <jacobw> i haven't tried hard enough yet, it's on my to do list :)
[15:36] <jacobw> that is true, sometimes it's easier to pretend that i don't speak any german to avoid starting anything in german
[15:36] <jacobw> it's easy for conversations to escalate from simple to complex language
[15:37] <penguin42> ooh that one was directly over head
[15:51] <SuperEngineer> Getting confused. One of the clouds over here keeps getting brighter... seems to be a wierd yellow circle in it.
[15:52] <penguin42> sounds unlikely
[16:52] <penguin42> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L75ESD9PBOw  inspired use of an exercise ball
[17:24] <dwatkins> penguin42: yeah, I'm surprised it didn't pop
[17:33] <penguin42> oh those things take quite a bit of abuse; I only know of one case of one popping in our office - under our lightest employee
[19:06] <diplo_> .
[19:10] <dwatkins> :
[19:10] <penguin42> #
[19:11] <penguin42> oh curious; synergy has started working - it only does that very very rarely
[19:11] <diplo> :)
[20:02] <diplo> Any londoners about ?
[20:02] <alanmac> diplo, Im not a Londoner but I live in London
[20:03] <diplo> That's enough, decided to take my kids to national history museum about an hour ago and working out my way down
[20:03] <diplo> Nr Bath
[20:03] <diplo> Was going to Hounslow Central and tube/train to there
[20:03] <diplo> Piccadily line from what i can work out
[20:04] <diplo> Just wondering on tickets etc, I've heard Oyster cards mentioned on here.. go that route or just buy tickets when i get there ?
[20:04] <diplo> me and a 4&5 year old
[20:04] <alanmac> Oyster is cheaper and the deposit on the card itself is 100% refundable
[20:05] <alanmac> however if you're not planning on coming back any time soon I wouldn't bother
[20:05] <diplo> Nah, well not for a month or 3 anyway
[20:05] <alanmac> with your kids... I dont know if they get on the tube for free or if they need their own cards to
[20:05] <alanmac> only 24.... kids are a long way off hopefully
[20:05] <diplo> under 5 did for defo, havn't checked to see if 5 year olds are free as well
[20:05] <daubers> diplo: Might be worth looking at rail passes as well (As you can get them with the tube on the card)
[20:06] <diplo> I was trying for my first then alanmac :)
[20:06] <diplo> This is for the morning though, how easy is it to get these cards etc  ?
[20:06] <alanmac> rush hour is likely to be hell
[20:06] <daubers> diplo: When I go to London I get them from the machine on the platform
[20:07] <alanmac> I would aim for 10:00/10:30 +
[20:07] <daubers> Yeah, you'll get off peak cards then too (much much cheaper)
[20:07] <diplo> yeah, leaving here 9am ish, aim to be in hounslow for 10-10:30
[20:08] <daubers> diplo: They're travelcards
[20:08] <daubers> http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/times_fares/ticket_types/travelcards_oyster.html
[20:09] <diplo> ta reading now
[20:09] <diplo> just booking us into dino area as well
[20:09] <daubers> When I used to go off peak fro reading -> paddington one of those with tube was ¬£25-30
[20:10] <diplo> My ex wife would be going looney now if i said right were going to london tomorrow without organising anything a few weeks in advance
[20:10] <diplo> :D
[20:10] <diplo> Looks like about £8 when i checked earlier from hounslow
[20:11] <daubers> diplo: The travelcards cover your train journey to London as well (if you're taking the train to London)
[20:12] <diplo> yeah, so basically driving to Hounslow Central ( mates advised me to go there ) park there with the car for the day
[20:12] <diplo> And train/tube it direct from there
[20:12] <daubers> Ah, in that case you don't want a travel card :)
[20:14] <diplo> 30 min tripi
[20:15] <diplo> no mention of prices on tfl site
[20:15] <diplo> ah blimey hard work to plan this
[20:15] <diplo> :D
[20:16] <diplo> http://journeyplanner.tfl.gov.uk/user/XSLT_TRIP_REQUEST2?language=en&sessionID=TLJJP15P1_4257200302&requestID=1&tripSelector1=1&itdLPxx_view=detail&tripSelection=on&command=nop&calculateDistance=1
[20:16] <diplo> Does this mean im going through Zones 4-1 ?
[20:19] <MartijnVdS> Short about the 100m final on BBC1 "Alan Bell - Official Starter"
[20:19]  * DJones realises why AlanBell hasn't been on IRC much in the last few days, BBC have just interviewed him as the offical starter
[20:19] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: ^
[20:19] <DJones> :)
[20:22] <MartijnVdS> ooooh
[20:22] <MartijnVdS> http://wiki.openwrt.org/toh/tp-link/tl-wdr4300
[20:24] <MartijnVdS> ^ teh shiney
[20:25] <Azelphur> I'm thinking about buying 4 of these http://bit.ly/OCDm9e o.O
[20:25] <MartijnVdS> your house is that big?
[20:25] <Azelphur> haha
[20:35] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: what would you use them for though?
[20:35] <MartijnVdS> r
[20:35] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: ^
[20:38] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: to replace my current ones
[20:38] <Azelphur> I have 4 monitors atm, 1920x1200, wanna upgrade :)
[20:38] <diplo> thanks for help daubers / alanmac
[20:38] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: do you use them?
[20:38] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: yep, using them right now :)
[20:39] <zleap> how do i use boot options with linux boot:
[20:39] <diplo> Seems simple enough. leave at chippenham off at juncton 3 of m4 hounslow central then South kensington
[20:39] <diplo> As my son says 'simples'
[20:39] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: ALL of them?
[20:39] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: yes
[20:39] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: that's one big irssi terminal
[20:39] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: can't use irssi effectively while chatting on lots of channels at the same time
[20:40] <Azelphur> I have a tiled IRC setup
[20:40] <MartijnVdS> zleap: Hold shift while starting, you get the boot loader screen, it has a list of keys you can use at the bottom
[20:40] <zleap> ok
[20:40] <MartijnVdS> diplo: ?!?!
[20:40] <zleap> friend is trying to boot a macboot (old one) with 10.10
[20:40] <MartijnVdS> powerpc mac?
[20:41] <zleap> he got the boot: prompt pressed enter and he gets  a blank screen so I guess there is a option somewhere to disable or enable things
[20:41] <zleap> yeah ppc mac
[20:41] <MartijnVdS> those are different :)
[20:41] <zleap> its power pc
[20:41] <zleap> as in processor
[20:41] <diplo> MartijnVdS: Off to National history museum in the morning, guys were giving me some advice
[20:41] <MartijnVdS> zleap: yeah, I don't know which bootloader they use these days
[20:42] <MartijnVdS> zleap: I used my last PPC mac in '01 or something
[20:42] <zleap> hmm
[20:42] <zleap> i am sure there is something you caqn type at the boot:   bit just can't remember
[20:42] <MartijnVdS> you can
[20:42] <MartijnVdS> it's openfirmware
[20:42] <MartijnVdS> oh wait
[20:42] <MartijnVdS> are they still using yaboot?!
[20:43] <MartijnVdS> or are they on grub2
[20:44] <MartijnVdS> zleap: http://swoolley.org/man.cgi/8/yaboot
[20:45] <MartijnVdS> zleap: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/YabootConfigurationForMacintoshPowerPCsDualBoot ?
[20:46] <zleap> thanks
[20:48] <ikonia> random UK olympic question, did we end up sending Dwane Chambers in the end ?
[20:48] <ikonia> watching the 100 meters final, and discussing if he didn't get sent or just didn't get through
[20:50] <MartijnVdS> ikonia: http://www.london2012.com/athlete/chambers-dwain-1250041/
[20:50] <ikonia> can't find any info on his heats, I guess he just didn't get through then
[20:51] <MartijnVdS> he didn't get through
[20:51] <ikonia> after all that....
[20:52] <zleap> It's an iBook g3 800mhz
[20:52] <ikonia> bolt just beat the olympic record
[20:52] <ikonia> stunning
[20:52] <MartijnVdS> zleap: same generation as my green imac ;)
[20:53] <zleap> AH
[20:53] <zleap> wil see if the video boot options work
[20:54] <diplo> http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/msl/news/msl20120805.html
[20:54] <MartijnVdS> I used to run Debian on it
[20:54] <MartijnVdS> diplo: yes! Tomorrow morning!
[20:54] <diplo> \o/
[20:54] <zleap> yay
[20:59] <r1sc> 12.53.178.253 31337
[21:03] <MartijnVdS> I have a hard time understanding Blake :|