[15:48] <Mish> Ubuntu is ditching grub2 because of the Secure boot UEFI issue, for quantal. What are you guys doing about it?
[15:49] <Mish> Also why isn't everyone protesting against secure boot as much as I though they would?
[15:49] <len-dt> Mish, I don't think we have a whole lot of choice. We use ubuntu as a base for our own stuff. Ubuntu Studio is ubuntu.
[15:50] <Mish> I know, I though that if you guys differed in opinion then you might make make a fork 
[15:50] <Mish> *thought
[15:51] <len-dt> Part of the reason there are not more signatures on the petition is that the web page gives errors for some people who try to sign.
[15:51] <Mish> is that so?
[15:51] <Mish> oh and for everyone over here
[15:51] <Mish> http://www.fsf.org/campaigns/secure-boot-vs-restricted-boot/statement
[15:51] <len-dt> We... are having a hard time keeping up with other things just now
[15:55] <Mish> hmm....
[15:55] <Mish> I understand
[15:57] <len-dt> Also, I don't know that it is our place be a protest element. I do hope that Ubuntu leave grub2 in the repos
[15:58] <Mish> Yes that too
[16:01] <len-dt> I wonder if there will hacks to bios available take restricted boot out of arm devices.
[16:02] <Mish> There sure will be hacks and cracks but then it will soon be taken care of by Microsoft with subsequent releases
[16:03] <Mish> What makes me sick is Microsoft resorting to FUD tactics yet again but at such a fundamental level
[16:04] <len-dt> Yes and no. It will give manufactures enough trouble that they just include a way around it.
[16:04] <len-dt> This has happened in the past.
[16:06] <len-dt> It may even be a jumper.
[16:07] <Mish> a jumper?
[16:09] <len-dt> on the mother board.
[16:10] <Mish> oh ok
[16:11] <Mish> but then that would be easy enough to remove
[16:12] <len-dt> It would make windows products unable to be able to tell it could be unrestricted.
[16:15] <len-dt> There was a lot of back and forth about Intel not selling chips to MB makers who put slots for AMD (or other) CPUs on there products. They kept getting around Intel's stuff untill Itel gave up.
[16:16] <Mish> I hope that sort of thing somehow happens over here.
[16:17] <Mish> Although Microsoft doesn't have a huge market share in the ARM market
[16:20] <len-dt> They are hoping this will change that, by locking other OSs out. It may have the opposite effect. I still remember a time when Digital Research was the only word in micro-computer OS... then the IBM PC came out with something else... DR is gone. M$ could vanish just as easy... though TBH I have no idea just now how.
[17:52] <ailo> len-dt: I don't have internet access for at least a day. Will check in now and then. Just so you know why I'm not online.