[00:32] Hello [00:32] just in here whilst installing xubuntu for first time [00:32] hoping to leave windows for good!! [00:32] any tips for getting started? [00:33] you know the basic things? xubuntu-restricted-extras? System>Hardware Drivers? [00:33] i would try it live before installing... see how the hardware support is [00:34] good [00:34] good? [00:35] yes, run live to see if hardware works, good [00:54] hello, I recently (maybe a month ago) upgraded from Ubuntu10.10 using Gnome2 and compiz to Xubuntu12.04 using the default XFCE (I am avoiding both Unity and Gnome3) and one of the first things I noticed was that in ubuntu10.10 there was an immediacy, I click on a file or use a keyboard shortcut and (for chrome, VLC, image viewer, gnome-terminal, nautilus at least) it would be pretty much instant. Now in Xubuntu12.04 Even these lightwe [00:54] ight apps can take quite some time (seconds) to load. [00:55] I had a look in my autostart and found zeitgeist, did some googling and it seems as though this is just a logger. Some people reported that after removing it they had a huge speed up on login times (which would be nice but I am more interested on app loading times) [00:56] Do any of you know if I can apt-remove zeitgeist with its daemon with no negative effects on Xubuntu (the forum I am reading seems to imply its used by unity) [00:56] Or do you think my problem stems from something else. [00:56] Any help or advice would be greatly appreciated. [00:59] knoppies: remove it if you like, you can always put it back [00:59] could be the newer kernel is not supporting your hardware that well.. like the older one did [01:00] knoppies: if it were my box, i would try and take some things out of the equation... maybe make sure the same graphics driver is being used... look at the kernel versions [01:00] Can you see if there is unexpected cpu-load when the system should be idle, or if something uses very much ram. I have "cpu graph" and "system load monitor" in the panel, but you should be able to see things with "top" and "free" in a terminal or "system>system monitor". [01:00] maybe try a 10.10 xubuntu... consider using 10.04 [01:02] holstein, I was wondering if it was kernel related, or XFCE related. The graphics drivers I am using now are newer (I think) than the ones I was using, [01:03] David-A, I also have cpu load and cpu graph and ram usage in my panel, I preferred the applets in the gnome-panel than the ones I have now in the XFCE panel. [01:03] knoppies: im sure they are... i would try removing variables, and with live CD's are musch as possible... or search around for info relating to that specific hardware [01:04] I have been looking at htop and it idles MUCH better now than it did with gnome in 10.10. It is normally the first load of a program (say the first time I bring up sublime text since I booted up) but even opening up tabs in chrome seems to take longer. [01:05] holstein, I am not convinced its hardware related but even more than that, I don't know where to start. [01:05] in terms of searching for hardware related issues. [01:06] knoppies: im not saying its a hardware problems, im suggesting that it could be a hardware support problem [01:06] the kernel could have dropped support for your hardware [01:06] i would have no problem running ubuntu 10.04.. im running it on several production machines [01:07] is 10.04 the LTS? [01:07] knoppies: I'm not sure but zeitgeist seems to be of little value. Try uninstall it. Packages normally stop their daemon when removed, so just uninstall. If no change, install it again. [01:07] knoppies: 10.04 is an LTS, and 12.04 is as well [01:08] I actually updated to 12.04 because there were a few things that had not been updated in 10.10 like my multi touch drivers for my synaptic touchpad, they worked flawlessly on my OLD laptop, but not on this new one (synaptic updated their multi touch so that windows could use it) [01:08] and thats just the start of the list. [01:09] knoppies: that'll be some xorg.cong tweaks [01:09] Im using an Aspire 5740G so its not that old. [01:09] you mean .conf? [01:09] I tried all that. [01:09] knoppies: yup.. me too [01:09] i decided not to bother with it [01:09] i have my own list [01:09] at some point, i just take the path of least resistence [01:10] the best I could get was some faked emulation of multi touch, now with 12.04 it works flawlessly. [01:10] holstein, I know what you mean. I don't pick least resistance but their is a point where the reward is not worth the effort. [01:11] sometimes, the "tweaks" that make life easier, take system resources as well [01:11] holstein, like compiz. [01:11] not saying that mutitouch is making your apps launch slower, but you might need realistic expectations [01:12] maybe, but I consider it realistic if it worked quickly in 10.10 and now I have to wait seconds for VLC to open a file. It never used to be that bad. I am actually wondering if my "recently used documents" list has anything to do with it, I turned that off in 10.10 with gnome. [01:12] Do you know how to turn that off in Xubuntu? [01:15] knoppies: recent documents rings a bell with me. it affected perfomance when the list was very long. i'll try to see when it was and how i fixed it [01:16] thank you David-A [01:17] ok I removed zeitgeist [01:18] well nothing has crashed. [01:19] knoppies: in Xubuntu 8.04 i set Places>Properties>Show Recent Documents=off to reduce application launch time, now with 10.04 and faster cpu I have it =on again. [01:19] You mean when you right click on places? I just did that. [01:19] I will see if it makes a difference. [01:20] I also removed zeitgeist, so I probably won't know which one did the trick. [01:20] thank you David-A [01:21] ok I just opened up VLC with a file and it took quite a while. CPU was still idling but the HDD was going crazy (and the file was small) [01:22] knoppies: took a while? how long? open with the terminal and see [01:22] now that i have opened VLC recently, its instant again on even bigger files. [01:22] holstein, about a seconds and a half. I was just double clicking the file in nautilus, but I can try using the terminal. [01:22] do you mean using time? [01:23] I thought time calculated the time between start and end of a process. how would I see how long it takes to start a process [01:23] I keep missing the ? grrr [01:24] there might be some output in the terminal that would help [01:26] knoppies: what if you clear the list before you disable recent documents. i think open history was in an xml file somewhere and the longer it got the more time it took [01:26] I just opened up 10 items summing to 9.7GB in the terminal and it was pretty instant, this is the output I got (or do you want me to pastebin it? Its only 9 lines long. [01:27] David-A, I normally clear the recent documents about once a day or so, so I dont think it was getting big, but I will try that. [01:27] knoppies: i dont need to see it myself... i was thinking you might see an error... if you dont, you dont [01:27] the only error like thing I see is: [01:27] knoppies: you can try cvlc /path/to/file [01:27] Xlib: extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0" [01:27] you can try that in TTY.. take the GUI out of the equation [01:29] holstein, I could. But I am trying to solve app loading time for things like Sublime text, vlc, chrome, eye-of-gnome, things I consider rather lightweight and that have opened seemingly instantly for me in the past. This is not just a VLC issue. [01:29] oh, and nautilus, but I understand if its a little slower than the others. [01:29] knoppies: try what you want... vlc has a command live options.. im not suggesting this is a VLC issue [01:30] im suggesting ways to take the GUI out of the equation [01:30] oh and gnome-terminal, which seems to take longer and longer to load. [01:30] oh, I see. Thank you holstein [01:30] if you are in tty, and cvlc /path/to/file cranks right up, then you know more that before, i think [01:31] holstein, the second time I opened VLC it was instant, the first time it took about 1 and a half seconds. Even though the second time I opened up larger files. [01:32] I just tried cvlc and it was also instant, I am not sure how to get vlc back into the state where its slow. [01:32] It makes me wonder if its a caching problem. [01:32] VLC is not the only thing that does this. [01:32] even gnome-terminal. [01:33] oh I forgot to mention, i just tried opening it up in cvlc and it was instant too. But I wonder if it will be instant straight after a boot up. [01:34] maybe me think its just loadking into ram [01:34] loading* ... thats what im thinking about realistic expectations [01:34] things change.. the kernel is different... [01:35] maybe you are right. [01:35] that would explain it. [01:36] enjoy! gtg... [01:36] thank you holstein [01:37] thank you David-A for the help. I am going to go out for lunch. [01:38] knoppies: ok, hope it works out for you [01:38] me too. === `mOOse` is now known as m00se === `mOOse` is now known as m00se [04:06] Hello. [04:07] Would using the "Pendrive Linux" application to create a bootable USB stick for "Xubuntu 12.10" work? [04:08] Or is it impossible to use the 12.04 drop-down menu alternative for the 12.10 version? [04:10] Oh, well. [04:11] I suppose it is somewhat early in the morning. [04:12] You could try it [04:12] Usually it works [05:44] crap, I forget why my "/home/" is so little space.\ [05:45] File Manager says "/" has over 800 GB free space, but "/home/" has only 36 GB free space. [05:45] what dh -HT says? [05:45] df -HT [05:46] sorry [05:47] ah, looks like I created two partitions waaaay back. [05:48] Can ext4 be resized live? [05:50] hmm, looks like it can't be shrunk online. [05:53] is it possible to block internet packets with certain key words in it? [06:01] i dont think so [06:01] you can block it by the type === `mOOse` is now known as m00se === `mOOse` is now known as m00se [10:11] anyone willing to assist with installing xubuntu 12,04 32-Bit on a brand new hard drive literally just placed into a dell laptop? [10:13] i'm trying to install via a flash drive [10:17] just try it stephenf, if you experience any problems report them here. Let's look then if anybody has an idea. [10:20] a new laptop should have a bios that recognizes usb sticks automatically. I think you'll be a happy xubuntuer within the next hour :) [10:22] should i leave it a .iso on the flash drive or extract it via universal usb isntaller? [10:22] thank you for the replies, by the way [10:23] are you on linux now? [10:24] right now im on a windows laptop that belongs to a friend [10:24] ok [10:24] get unetbootin, install it, choose the iso and let it do it's thing witch should take about 5 min. [10:25] is your usb stick formatted to fat32? if it is it's ready. [10:25] i personally recommend http://www.linuxliveusb.com/ [10:25] yeah linuxliveusb is a great tool [10:26] 2 against one. go with linuxlive :) I've had sucess with both [10:27] sure, both are worth to use :) [10:29] i had problems with unetbootin [10:29] i tried to extract it wirh universal usb installer and go through it that way with ubuntu 12.04 (didn't work) at first but was recommended to xubuntu for interface reasons. i'll try the programs you've recommended. i'll also make sure the fash drive is formatted to fat32. thank you [10:44] Hello everybody. I am trying to update my nvidia mx 420 video driver but without success. I ahve downloaded the .run file but cant execute it. I already tried makin it executable but nothin happens! help will be appreciated [10:44] my xubuntu is 11.04 [10:47] the c urrent drv I am usin is " experimental support for 3d cards" in aditional drivers list [10:50] can anybody help? [14:31] hi there, i have installed xubuntu onto an old compaq without wireless nic. i have a separate usbnic from dlink, dwl g122 rev b1 , which works well with my lenovo t61 laptop and linux. i guess usb1.0 has something to do with it because it does not show up in lsusb [14:32] try other usb port [14:32] tried all 4 [14:38] just curious, usbnic using a usb1.0 port is a stupid idea? [14:41] my second idea, is to skip the nic and instead use my extra wireless router, but i doubt i can use the antenna as a wan port, what do you think? [14:48] * dlinkralink2500 installs xp.. [14:48] xfce is not remembering my wallpaper every login, what is the command to manually set it so i can run it on os boot? or is there a script somewhere [14:57] ah i found a command to do it nevermind [15:13] tech1 hmm, thats no good. what program do you set the wallpaper from. I can't set it from any of the image viewers I like so I set it from thunar [15:15] i set it from settings-settingsmanager-desktop [15:15] ubuntustudio but its xfce too [15:15] i found a command that does it. so ill just put the command in my login script. i need a login script to run stuff anyway so its a small thing to add [15:18] tech1: that sounds like some deeper problems, are you sure you didn't run out of disk space on your home partition? [15:19] iv got over 100gb free. and copied 20gb of stuff onto my home/downloads from my external drive after the wallpaper saving failed [15:20] try setting the wallpaper from thunar and see if it sticks [15:20] oh. also xfce dosnt seem to be remembering window positions and sizes very well. maybe thats connected [15:20] ok [15:21] ill relog now then [15:23] i set it from thunar(file explorer) and it didnt remember it either [15:23] what xfce version is this? [15:24] ubuntu studio, ABOUT the Xfce desktop environment: version 4.8, distributed by xubuntu [15:25] 4.8 is the same as me [15:26] ill ask in ubuntustudio' then. must be something different about how it uses xfce [15:26] how do I edit /etc/apt/sources.list? [15:26] I have truncated it now I cannot update nothing [15:26] I was trying to https://www.bunkus.org/videotools/mkvtoolnix/downloads.html#ubuntu [15:32] E: Malformed line 63 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list (absolute dist) [15:32] E: The list of sources could not be read. [15:32] Go to the repository dialog to correct the problem. [15:32] where is the repo dialog? [15:34] martinphone: http://repogen.simplylinux.ch/ and they have mkvtools a ways down [15:35] that is now seccondary drc , mkvmerge auto popped with that official site I pasted [15:35] martinphone, had this problem the other day. Backup your sources list, copy & paste the contents to a new leafpad instance (run as root) and then overwrite your existing sources.list [15:36] mips1911: I thought he fubar'd his sources.list and needed to reconstitute it? [15:38] http://paste.ubuntu.com/1130874/ lines 61 and 62 are the source of my problem, I have followed https://www.bunkus.org/videotools/mkvtoolnix/downloads.html#ubuntu, .... > deb http://www.bunkus.org/ubuntu/precise/ ./ [15:38] deb-src http://www.bunkus.org/ubuntu/precise/ ./ [15:39] drc, I dunno what happens but what I just suggested fixed things for me two days ago. [15:39] but I cannot use gksudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list to edit the list, I had to use sudo cat /etc/apt/sources.list [15:40] tech1 I read that removing nautilus should fix the problem since ittakes over the desktop. Just did it myself so worth a go [15:40] matinphone, my problems started after I used gksu. [15:42] original sources.list has been copied to a plain text file (geany), have no idea to run it as root [15:42] I opened the corrupted file with leafpad, did a ctrl+a followed by ctrl+c and then launched a new instance of leafpad with sudo leafpad and did a ctrl+v and overwrote the existing sources.list file. [15:42] martinphone, don't you have leafpad installed? [15:43] ok, just did the same with leafpad [15:44] you should also have nano installed where you can right click and go paste [15:45] what if I use nautilus? will that allow me to paste into etc/apt? [15:45] zx__ ok thanks ill try that [15:46] dunno, I don;t use nautilus and I can't see a file manager doing that for you [15:47] where or how do I find nano? [15:47] martinphone: Only if you run nautilus as root first - otherwise it can't launch an editor with the right privileges [15:47] martinphone, from the terminal, you can type sudo nano [15:50] sudo nano opened new buffer, given my knowledge of computing i doubt I can do anything straight with this [15:51] martinphone, does leafpad work? [15:51] do you mean sudo nano path/to/file/to/open? [15:51] no, just open nano, right click and paste the contents of your sources.list into it and then save it.\ [15:52] mips1911, I can use leafpad, I have saved a sources.list with leafpad in my home directory, I cannot save it in apte/etc [15:53] martinphone, that's becasue you are not running it as root. Follow these steps as I explain then, I will wait until you acknowledge each step. [15:53] ok, thanks [15:53] martinphone: use "gksu leafpad /etc/apt/sources.list" to run the editor with root privileges [15:54] Open leafpad from your menu like you normally would and from the menu open your sources.list file [15:55] done mips1911 [15:55] The_Cog, gksu leafpad borked my file, no idea why [15:55] martin phone, ok leave that open on the screen. Now open a terminal and type "sudo leafpad" [15:57] mips1911, a new instance of leafpad open, but terminal reads: (leafpad:11716): Gtk-WARNING **: /usr/lib/gtk-2.0/2.10.0/immodules/im-uim.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory [15:57] (leafpad:11716): Gtk-WARNING **: Loading IM context type 'uim' failed [15:58] You seem to have biger problems than just your sources list. Did leafpad still open though despite the error message? [15:58] yes mips1911 [15:59] it's normal to get that message when opening a program in the terminal using sudo. do like The_Cog said and open it with hitting ALT + F2 for the run dialog then the command.... gksu leafpad /etc/apt/sources.list [15:59] Ok, now in the first instance you opened your sources.list with leafpad go Edit->Select All followed by Edit->Copy [16:00] done mips1911 [16:01] should I assume paste in the second instance? [16:01] Ok, now go to the other instance of leafpad you opened with sudo leafpad (the contents is blank) and go Edit->Paste [16:01] done mips1911 [16:02] Next go File->Save As and browse to /etc/apt and select your sources.list file and save it, if asked to overwrite say yes. [16:04] wow US girl [16:04] ups [16:05] martinphone, come right with saving it? [16:05] many thanks with this step by step instructions mips1911 , synaptic workas again [16:06] now, can anyone suggest how to correctly add deb http://www.bunkus.org/ubuntu/precise/ ./ [16:06] deb-src http://www.bunkus.org/ubuntu/precise/ ./ to my sources? that started the problem [16:07] martinphone, cool. I dunno what it is with gksu but on the odd occasion it seems to bork files for me. Visually there is no difference between a working and non-working file so I can only assume there are some hidden characters in there that renders it corrupt [16:08] martinphone, backup your now working sources.list and manually add it with sudo leafpad or add it from synaptic. [16:08] mips1911: Beware editors that convert tabs to spaces. I've messed up system files occasionally that way. [16:09] hi, how do i minimize transmission to system tray? [16:09] The_Cog, that could be a possibility but I don;t recall using tab when editing my sources list. [16:09] Edit>Preferences>Desktop>Show Transmission icon in the notification area [16:10] someone235: ^^ [16:11] ok 10x [16:12] martinphone follow this guide http://ubuntuguide.net/how-to-install-mkvtoolnix-matroska-tools-in-ubuntu-linux [16:12] martinphone I'm assuming you have xubuntu 12.04 or 11,10 [16:13] should I have stated my OS first? yes, 12.04 [16:13] martinphone then just follow the guide :) [16:13] no, you dont have to restart. [16:14] martinphone no nevermind, wrong version in the guide [16:15] im quite reluctant to follow it anyways, official site https://www.bunkus.org/videotools/mkvtoolnix/downloads.html#ubuntu says that same thing, and that created the problem [16:16] and in my ppa list I dont see any line ending with / ./ [16:18] martinphone the guide works but you have to change the version from oneiric to precise like it say here http://www.bunkus.org/videotools/mkvtoolnix/downloads.html [16:27] thanks for all the help, I dont know what I did do wrong, but now it seems I have added this repo [16:27] all's well that ends well [16:36] hi [16:38] Network Manager randomly recognizes the mobile broadband modem, and randomly connects to the network. is this a bug? [17:27] someone235: ^^ [17:27] opps :( === baizon_ is now known as baizon === knome_ is now known as knome [18:42] im using an xfconf-query command to set the desktop wallpaper with the paramater /screen0/monitor0, if i want to set the second monitor would it be screen0/monitor1? and from the terminal is there a command that can show what monitors xfconf has deteced? [18:44] dlink dlw g122 rev b wireless nic not working for me. im starting to think it is partly broken or there is some firmware problem. it seemed liked it would work ok just five minutes ago. [18:44] but now it wont even show up in lsusb [18:45] it works well when i use it in my laptop [18:45] but then i can stick it in usb2.0 rather than usb1.0 , so no surprise [18:46] well it used to work, seems to be dead now [18:47] alive again [18:57] perhaps the device really needs an usb2 rather than usb1 [18:57] http://www.ehow.com/how_6454488_d_link-dwl_g122-work-dell-computer.html [19:00] hi skippersboss , would you like to be my remote network tech support? im having trouble with a wireless usb ni [19:00] hi skippersboss , would you like to be my remote network tech support? im having trouble with a wireless usb nic [19:01] it appears to work well with usb2, but i have to use it with a computer that only has usb1 [19:01] your cup of tea? [19:12] e ai galera [19:17] hey you guys, i've been facing a problem with xfwm4, it doesnt start with the system [19:17] is there any way fix it? [19:17] GoodbyeEarl: depedns on how you broke it [19:18] rm -rf ~/.cache/sessions usually works [19:18] i dont event know [19:19] i just know that it doesnt work anymore [19:19] i have to open the terminal and type xfwm4 [19:19] could you explain that? [19:20] having error in session saving is quite common, session being open apps, including window manager [19:21] how to solve it? how to make that the xfwm4 always run in the system's opening [19:21] ? [19:21] sessions are stored in that file, rm to remove -r needed for folders and -f to not ask questions [19:22] oh, ok, sorry i didn't understand [19:23] paste rm -rf ~/.cache/sessions to terminal and it should work [19:25] after pressing enter === Tm_K is now known as Tm_T === livingdaylight is now known as nobodhi === nobodhi is now known as bodhilicious [22:24] is the "hibernate" functioning broken? [22:28] http://askubuntu.com/questions/94754/how-to-enable-hibernation-in-12-04 [22:28] thanks :) [22:28] <-- got a really slow connection :P [22:32] that worked :) [22:49] http://askubuntu.com/questions/94754/how-to-enable-hibernation-in-12-04 [22:49] opps [23:12] under xfce how do you disable sleep mode /monitor standby(black)..... before the screensaver would just come on but then i rebooted and now it goes to standby after inactivity instead.. i cant find anything on power manager(general) and the on ac tab it says put monitor to sleep never