[05:09] oh nice [05:09] dependency mess on upgrade continues http://paste.kde.org/529538/ [05:22] bummer, Tm_T [05:25] had to manually install ibkateinterfaces and kde-runtime packages, will proceed manually installing rest of the conflicting packages [05:26] yeah, feeding the packages to dpkg manually does the trick [05:26] strange though [05:34] * valorie had no issues [05:34] except kmix had a sekret channel muted [05:34] which muted ALL sound [05:34] until I found the damn thing [06:08] yeah, finally upgraded to 4.9.0 [06:08] \o/ [06:08] my window decoration is suddenly back to KDE default, and if I try to enter to windeco kcm, kcm crashes [06:08] icky [06:13] a-ha! kde-artwork and its window decorations didn't update apparently [06:14] and the old windecos from there are not compatible [06:17] either have to fix those windecos on upstream or have to make kdelibs from 4.9 to conflict with those windecos I suppose [06:38] shadeslayer: Perhaps of all the rdepends are tested. [07:06] valorie: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=304645 [07:06] KDE bug 304645 in general "KDE 4.9.0 kwindecoration kcm crashes on start" [Crash,New] [07:14] I'll have to say, I don't think I've ever messed with kwindecorations [07:17] and it doesn't crash for me [07:23] yup, has something to do with old windecos [07:25] aaand found it [07:26] ....where's tabstrip?! === emma is now known as em [08:00] hooray for plasma segfault: http://www.tm-travolta.net/traces/plasma-desktop-20120806-105846.kcrash [08:10] plasma used to crash all the time [08:10] I think it was the weather widget [08:32] here it seems to be related to µblog widget this time [09:18] hmm kde bug 301646 is quite popular [09:18] KDE bug 301646 in decorations "kwindecoration crashes" [Crash,Reopened] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=301646 [09:18] presumably what DoctorPepper was talking about last night [09:28] looks like there's lots of hassle and uncleaniness with old windecos and KDE 4.9.0 [09:41] /usr/lib/libkdecorations.so.4.8.0 <-- not kde 4.9 [09:48] tsdgeos: where? [09:48] iin that bug [09:49] tsdgeos: still, have you tried building kdeartwork windecos on KFR 4.9.0? atleast last time I tried most of them failed [09:49] works like a charm here [09:50] all packages build before releasing them [09:50] hmm, I wonder if something has changed recently then (: [09:54] Tm_T: anyway i expect people to report errors if they found them, not silently ignore the [09:54] m [09:54] collaboration yadda yadda yadda [09:54] yup [09:54] I've reported (: [09:55] old windecos are lacking maintainership [09:55] you reported to the wrong place [09:55] if tarballs don't build [09:55] release-team needs to know [09:55] I don't build tarballs, but from git/svn/etc [09:56] unfortunately my time with KDE has been limited to triggering kdesrc-build and then forget it /: [09:57] then don't complain :-) [10:04] my intention isn't to complain, just state my observation (: [10:08] Tm_T: sure === Quintasan_ is now known as Quintasan [10:38] anyone ever worked with debian/control.in files? [10:39] was wondering if the mighty toolset needs a debian/control when building the source package or whether there is a trick to make it execute a rules target to get that file [10:40] jtechidna: ping [10:52] apachelogger_: control.in is evil, does anyone still use it? [10:52] I do :P [10:52] because dpkg is so insanely complex and yet fails to address use cases [10:53] a debian/control will be needed, I think it works by recreating itself at the appropriate time [10:54] yah, was just wondering [10:54] buildpackage seems to try accessing control early on [10:54] though it laters calls clean which is where you'd do the auto-update [10:57] like I say, evil [10:59] :'( [10:59] Hi folks [11:07] debfx: uhm did you use 0.4.0ubuntu2 on purpose? [11:07] for meta-kde-telepathy [11:13] debfx: just to shut up lintian maybe? [11:19] shadeslayer: we have a policy of our natives simply having ubuntuN appended [11:19] as that is the only proper version of ubuntu moditifcations to natives [11:19] aha ok [11:19] * shadeslayer just wanted to make sure before uploading [11:19] apachelogger_: is this outlined somewhere btw? [11:19] not sure [11:20] discussed it on the ML [11:20] all natives have that so I'd suppose one can notice that fact easily :P [11:20] apparenlty not easily enough [11:20] alrighty [11:20] :P [11:21] apachelogger_: the change log had foo-0ubuntu1 entries as well, so I was a bit confused [11:22] perhaps it was non-native at some point [11:22] meta-kde-telepathy-0.4.1.0ubuntu1 < sounds good right? [11:22] shadeslayer: suppose [11:23] shadeslayer: what's debian's version? [11:24] 0.4.0 [11:24] why .1? [11:24] in master that is [11:24] apachelogger_: that's because we have the bug fix release in the archives [11:24] and Quintasan forgot to update the meta package [11:25] shadeslayer: do not bump versions on packages that are not ours [11:25] apachelogger_: huh? [11:25] the part before ubuntuN is not ours to change :P [11:26] but then the package version is all screwy [11:26] it is already [11:26] 0.4.0ubuntu1 will pull in 0.4.1 packages [11:26] versioning a meta package after what it's metaing is fucked up [11:26] sigh [11:26] what if a part of ktp gets a release some day bu tthe other does not (for lack of change) [11:26] what do you version it then? [11:26] true [11:27] .300+.301+really301 [11:27] nope, .300+.301+upstream_is_screwing_with_us [11:28] ~noreallywearescrewingwithyoutoo1+thisisactually300 [11:28] actually we should uplaod a version like that some time ^^ [11:28] april where are thou? [11:28] heh [11:30] meta-kde-telepathy-0.4.0ubuntu4 < alrighty then [11:30] perfecto [11:31] might I say, that version sucks [11:31] * apachelogger_ needs a krunner for chrome tabs for he has like 50000 of them and can't find no nthing nowhere [11:36] bah [11:36] I don't have upload rights for this package [11:42] apachelogger_: can you upload https://launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/experimental/+files/meta-kde-telepathy_0.4.0ubuntu4.dsc [11:43] currently building at : https://launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/experimental/+build/3705839 [11:43] shadeslayer: why can you not? [11:43] Hey guys. :) [11:43] don't have upload rights [11:43] Darkwing: hallo [11:43] why do you not? [11:43] because it's not the in the Kubuntu Packageset most likely [11:43] ohhhhh crap. I have to relearn teh time difference again. [11:43] and (wince) I'm not a MOTU [11:44] oh cool... Went from UTC -7 to UTC -4 [11:45] zomg, where is cj :O [11:46] Riddell: cj does package set changes, doesn't he? [11:48] cj is forever busy [11:48] apachelogger_: yes, if you want to have a packageset changed you need to write an email to him [11:48] atleast when I talk to him :P [11:48] oho [11:48] actually *all* of ktp is not in our packageset [11:48] apachelogger_: yus [11:48] shadeslayer: send him an email listing all the ktp plz [11:48] apachelogger_: will do [11:49] it it's not fixed next week apply for MOTU :P [11:49] agateau: ok, so a slight issue with the ui file, when doing video calls, the error widget won't show up [11:49] haha :D [11:49] dholbach keeps poking me about that [11:49] shadeslayer: apply for motu regardless then [11:50] apachelogger_: I don't do *alot* of Universe contributions, need to ramp that up before I apply [11:50] * shadeslayer will start doing that today [11:50] shadeslayer: about to leave for lunch and errands, ping me back if you don't come back to you in 2 or 3 hours [11:50] sure [11:52] shadeslayer: I'd think it has to do with the ability of doing universe work rather than having done it in the past :P [11:53] considering all the universe are belong to us now I'd say there is ability and need :P [11:53] good point [11:54] * shadeslayer looks up next meeting [11:57] Monday August 13th, 2012 19:00 UTC, whee, next week [11:57] time sucks for me though [11:57] the one on the 27th looks better ... will apply then [11:58] shadeslayer: did someone backport 0.4.1 to precise? [11:58] apachelogger_: iirc it's in the kde telepathy PPA [11:58] not in ubuntu-backports however [11:58] our backports needs to have it [11:58] I'll backport it when I backport virtuoso [12:01] https://launchpad.net/~virtuoso -> Debugging sexy since 2008. [12:01] hahaha [12:02] :D [12:04] shadeslayer: quantal and precise have both virtuoso 6.1.4 not the new declared-as-best 6.1.6 . Is there already a virtuoso 6.1.6 pkg to test? [12:04] allee: is it released? [12:04] yes it's released [12:04] I'm working on a 6.1.6 package right now [12:04] so hang tight ;) [12:04] Riddell: yes according to sebastian: [12:04] shadeslayer: cool!!! [12:05] http://sourceforge.net/projects/virtuoso/files/virtuoso/6.1.6/virtuoso-opensource-6.1.6.tar.gz/download [12:07] shadeslayer: lovely [12:09] * allee delays hunting some akonadi<->nepomuk slowness and keeps finger crossed for 6.1.6 [12:13] agateau: I cannot reproduce your frame lock with pvlc :( [12:14] also the seek slider is broken Oo [12:14] ah, nvm [12:32] bah, virtuoso distributes binary files [12:33] bad virtuoso [12:33] http://wstaw.org/m/2012/08/06/plasma-desktopSB2367.png [12:33] :/ [12:34] Don't Blink... Isn't that where the weeping angels were introduced? [12:34] shadeslayer: yeah you need to remove them, there should be a rule in debian/rules to do so [12:35] apachelogger_: why the uncertain smiley? [12:35] Riddell: works for me, does not work for agateau [12:36] Darkwing: the episode was called "Blink", in 2007 [12:37] ulysses: ahhhh, couldn't remember the name [12:37] But, I thought the weeping angles were one of the best bad guys in TV history. [12:37] !testers [12:38] Testing help needed in #kubuntu-devel ping Riddell, yofel, soee, Tm_T, shadeslayer, BluesKaj, James147, em [12:38] smoke testing of 12.04.1 images needed http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/204/builds === yofel_ is now known as yofel [12:40] I'm on vacation and on a crappy internet connection - count me out [12:40] I'll pull and test today [12:40] apol_: pong [12:40] Darkwing: great [12:48] apol: oh, I suppose I should pong the proper nick :P [12:53] jtechidna: xD it's ok now [12:54] i fixed the origins thing [12:54] and now we don't have the backendssingleton [12:54] great [12:54] I put a singleton in ResourcesModel because it looked like that was the only singleton left in BackendsSingleton [12:54] after your simplifications [12:56] Riddell: doesn't look like there's a rule [13:02] apol: btw, do you know what a KNSResource::packageName() should look like when valid? [13:02] a number... [13:02] ok [13:03] apol: basically what I saw was that with the plasmoid knsrc, sometimes ratingForApp would fail, and packageName would be a number [13:04] but I didn't know what a proper packagename would be [13:04] yep [13:05] it's weird, but it looks like the test should test for that case now, but I can't reproduce it anymore [13:10] dunno if it's a kde 4.9 thing , but i seem to have an intermittent desktop, KB and mouse freeze problem linked to startup and shutdown, during either the splash screen loading or after I choose the "Leave" dialog. [13:13] also the screen freezes and these small wavy lines appear in darker coloured areas of the wallpaper/scene [13:15] at first I figured it might be the nvidia card failing or driver problems , but I can't recreate it on 12.04 with kde 4.9...this only happens on 12.10 with kde 4.9 [13:21] 12.10 has a different vesion of xorg [13:21] and that issue is definitely because something in that stack explodes [13:21] which most likely is the nvidia blob [13:25] ScottK: kdenetwork is FTBFS with telepathy qt [13:26] fun fun fun [13:26] ../../../krfb/libvncserver/main.c:1113:9: error: implicit declaration of function 'gettimeofday' [-Werror=implicit-function-declaration] [13:34] shadeslayer: Lovely. I guess leave it out for now, but file a bug report upstream then. [13:34] (or fix it) [13:34] ScottK: already fixed, it's missing a include [13:34] Cool. [13:35] waiting for the build to complete, then will push upstream [13:39] * jtechidna wonders what would happen if it compiled after disabling -Werror=implicit-function-declaration [13:39] probably nothing good :P [13:41] Going to upload 4.8.5 to the staging PPA. [13:42] apachelogger_, ok I'll keep an eye on it ...meanwhile i'll check the logs [13:45] jtechidna: said software will explode into a bazillion little pieces [13:46] how did kdenetwork even compile O_O [13:48] Could someone who knows the l10n magic please grab the 4.8.5 l10n and upload it to the staging PPA for precise? [13:56] http://paste.kde.org/529748/ < can someone spot the error? I can't .... [13:57] oh, maybe : configure: WARNING: wchar.h: present but cannot be compiled [13:58] !find wchar.h [13:58] File wchar.h found in dietlibc-dev, flite1-dev, fp-docs-2.4.4, frama-c-base, gcc-mingw32, gcc-snapshot, libace-dev, libboost1.46-dev, libboost1.48-dev, libc6-dev (and 27 others) http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?searchon=contents&keywords=wchar.h&mode=&suite=precise&arch=any [13:58] -.- [14:05] Can someone take over Calligra/KDevelop? I have my hands full atm [14:05] if not, I can look at it in a couple of days [14:17] new telepathy-glib as well ^_^ [15:31] $ dput ppa:kubuntu-ppa/staging *.changes [15:32] That's always fun. [15:34] :D [15:34] virtuoso is currently FTBFS due to upstream issues, working with them to figure it out ... [15:34] allee: ^ [15:34] Riddell: Can you do the l10n for 4.8.5 to the staging PPA? [15:38] shadeslayer: thx for the info! [15:40] shadeslayer: not sure if I'll have the energy tonight, but were are the calligra tarballs. From #Calligra it looks like 2.5 is retagged and retagged again [15:50] allee: they're in a sekrit place [15:50] bbl [15:51] shadeslayer: me too bbl [16:36] Riddell: ping [16:37] Riddell: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/204/builds the i386 DVD and Desktop Live images are not around... [17:03] ScottK: yo, can do 4.8.5 l10n in a bit yes [17:04] Riddell: Great. Thanks [17:04] so, does someone want to test krfb and krdc with tp features [17:04] or should I just upload ( I've tested it before, and it was alright ) [17:04] shadeslayer: got i386 quantal .debs? === Riddelll is now known as Riddell [17:05] 4.8.5 packages had a bit of a setback because someone left the staging PPA depending on the backports PPA. [17:05] mmm .. nope [17:05] I could upload to ppa [17:05] ScottK: mm, that doesn't sound right [17:05] No, I fixed it. [17:05] shadeslayer: nah just upload to archive and we'll test it there, live on the edge [17:05] :D [17:06] weird e-mail du jour http://paste.kde.org/529910/ [17:06] Unfortunately though kde4libs built against the newer soprano, so it needs redoing [17:06] Waiting for it to finish now. [17:06] MD5SUMS DO NOT MATCH!!!! OMG!! ... [17:06] http://www.nasa.gov/images/content/673736main_PIA15978-full_full.jpg [17:07] :D [17:07] jtechidna: do you know where I can watch a video of the splashdown? [17:07] I searched a bit, didn't find anything [17:07] kdenetwork up up and away [17:08] I thought I had seen something on youtube [17:09] shadeslayer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGEa9QYLUvQ&feature=youtu.be [17:09] shadeslayer: http://player.vimeo.com/video/47022580 is an animation. [17:10] sawn animation [17:10] stayed up until 2 am last night to watch it [17:10] :D [17:21] FYI, Bug #1033575 affects the Kubuntu DVD as well, Kubuntu can decide for itself if you'd like that change to be made though [17:21] Launchpad bug 1033575 in Release Notes for Ubuntu "icedtea-plugin shouldn't be shipped on the DVD" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1033575 [17:23] shouldn't the seed blacklist have that? [17:27] afaik the blacklist isn't used at all [17:27] but just not seeding it would probably be enough ;) [17:28] :) [17:28] * shadeslayer still thinks ISO builds are all magical [17:29] for some reason, trying to build the kubuntu ISO manually pulls in unity [17:29] well, the blacklist is used to prevent it from being added to the package archive, but yeah, nothing else is pulling it in [17:29] which, ironically, uses gconf update to update a couple of things but doesn't depend on gconf update [17:30] ( updating using post install scripts ) [17:30] agateau: around? [17:30] please please please fix my ui file :D [17:41] what is the plan for official KDE updates for 12.04? Is there a possibility for 4.9 or later over the 5 years, or will we just keep to 4.8.x? [17:42] claydoh: probably -backports if ScottK is fine with it :) [17:42] claydoh: and theres 4.9 in the ppa [17:43] * shadeslayer remembers there being a official policy for this somewhere [17:43] Cool, people are curious about what may be available in the standard repos [17:43] over the 5 year life cycle [17:44] if you're talking about -updates, then -updates will only have 4.8.x [17:44] Riddell: We aren't updating the dvd for 12.04.1, are we? [17:44] never 4.9 [17:45] Before we consider 4.9 for the official backports repository, I'd like to know who volunteers to do 5 years of security support for it (which is three years after is' no longer supported in 12.10). [17:46] If you want 4.9 after 12.10 is released, I think you should use 12.10. [17:46] That's been the way we've done it in the past. [17:46] ouch [17:46] I highly doubt we can push 4.9 to the official backports repository [17:47] far too many rdepends of the various libs [17:47] I don't even know whether we'll be around after 5 years ... ( we're supposedly dying this December ) [17:53] aka the Apocalypse [17:54] I hope it won't be as horrible as the movie (2012) [17:55] shadeslayer: thanks [17:55] debfx: 2012 was ~okay [18:08] ScottK: dvd update, yep [18:08] Oh. OK. [18:09] Then you ought to answer the question on -release about dropping the icedtea thing. [18:22] HOLY CRAP [18:22] WHY IT DOESNT WORK [18:23] Because it's you. You're fated for this. [18:27] allee: did I get right you're going to package calligra 2.5? [18:27] Quintasan: is it pythorn? [18:27] Riddell: He needs access to the tarballs. [18:30] shadeslayer, sure [18:30] hi mikhas [18:31] allee: ftpubuntu@ftpmaster.kde.org should have it [18:31] mikhas: ok, so mallit has a word completion feature ... [18:31] mikhas: while we can help in packaging, #plasma can help you with respect to getting it integrated in the KDE Plasma Desktop === rdieter_laptop is now known as rdieter [18:32] shadeslayer, yes, see for instance http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXNWHP7Qd9c&feature=plcp and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akvQZwJYSbw&feature=plcp [18:32] Quintasan: ^ weren't you taking care of mallit packages? [18:32] I think at one point he did, yeah. [18:33] hmm .. interesting [18:33] Packaging is only the first step though, I am sure there are tons of Plasma-related bugs with Maliit. [18:33] probably [18:33] Or perhaps some integration features we still lack. [18:34] (settings UI integration is a typical example) [18:34] ok, so for integration, #plasma would be a better option [18:34] yeah [18:34] as for packaging, I can try and take over it [18:34] cool! [18:34] since Quintasan is now busy with uni and stuff [18:35] Darkwing: did you get to testing precise daily images? [18:35] shadeslayer, the one thing that probably broke most in our packaging was the Debian multiarch setup that came with Ubuntu 12.04 or so [18:36] now Maliit still installs some stuff into wrong library directories, or not at all (at least that's what others have reported) [18:36] oh my, searching for mallit on google is NSFW [18:36] is it? [18:36] lol [18:36] shadeslayer, https://wiki.maliit.org/PackagingGuidelines [18:36] yeah [18:37] and https://wiki.maliit.org/Packaging [18:37] aha, wrong spelling then :P [18:45] shadeslayer, I now mentioned the optional dependencies for maliit-keyboard: https://wiki.maliit.org/index.php?title=PackagingGuidelines&action=historysubmit&diff=822&oldid=817 [18:45] mikhas: shouldn't be a issue, we're moving to universe [18:45] :-) [18:45] gives us more flexibility to add optional build deps [18:46] Riddell: about to spin em up; [18:46] mikhas: I'm going to sleep, but I'll look over them this week and get back to you ... [18:46] mikhas: do you have a email address/IRC Channel I can poke? [18:47] shadeslayer, #maliit on this network [18:48] alright, off to sleep I am [18:49] guid nicht shadeslayer [18:49] gn [18:51] shadeslayer: 1. No 2. Yes 3. Uni stuff is not that urgent but I'm more worried why I can't have internet at home [18:59] Riddell: icedtea affects the quantal kubuntu seed as well (ISTR you no longer building dvd images though) === skreech_ is now known as Daskreech [19:02] micahg: right, removing the dvd seed file is somewhere on my todo list [19:03] ok, I won't worry about it then, thanks! [19:15] Riddell: oh right, do you want to test krdc/krfb with telepathy capabilities? [19:37] shadeslayer: if it's available [19:38] It is [19:38] Riddell: we need to be friends on jabber, add me on rohangarg at jabber.org [19:40] shadeslayer: mm, I don't have a jabber account [19:40] uhhh [19:40] can it not work over any protocol? [19:41] XMPP ... [19:41] googletalk? [19:41] sure [19:41] need your gtalk address [19:41] riddell@gmail .com [19:41] but we're already friends and you're not online [19:42] probably because I haven't added gtalk to ktp [19:42] groove [19:42] groovy [19:42] got krdc 4:4.9.0-0ubuntu4 [19:42] ok, request sent [19:43] ohhh [19:43] hey it works! [19:43] :D [19:44] can you control my desktop? [19:44] looks like it xD [19:44] HELLO [19:45] :P [19:45] ok, IbaM ROHAN< I HAVE BECOME SENTIENT [19:45] hehehe [19:46] it's very slow though, too slow to do anything much useful with [19:46] I wonder how it compares with someone who isn't on the other side of the world [19:46] that'd be my network [19:46] alot better [19:53] #!@!$#@!$ [19:53] Riddell: Is this the place you went in Nigeria: http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Making-a-difference/Change-Agent/2012/0806/A-modern-wired-university-grows-in-Nigeria [19:54] Anyone has any idea what value of Line Attenuation in my ADSL connection statistic would be okay? [20:03] Quintasan: depends on what speed you think you should be getting, I guess [20:04] jtechidna: Ehh, when I have to set up a network in my house it feels like I'm in a strange land [20:04] NOTHING WORKS [20:04] I bought a new 8-port switch [20:04] 10/100 mbps capable [20:05] and tried to replace my old 5-port godknowshowmany mpbs [20:05] I just plugged the new one in, plugged all the ethernet cables [20:05] as long as you weren't using a hub :P [20:05] and shit doest work [20:05] I plug in the old one and it WORKS [20:05] jtechidna, was just thinking that, too [20:05] Quintasan, check with a cross-over cable if you have [20:05] hub? [20:06] hubs != switches [20:06] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethernet_hub [20:06] goddamn it I'm going to label all the cabels if they are crossed-over or not [20:06]