[05:09] <Tm_T> oh nice
[05:09] <Tm_T> dependency mess on upgrade continues http://paste.kde.org/529538/
[05:22] <valorie> bummer, Tm_T
[05:25] <Tm_T> had to manually install ibkateinterfaces and kde-runtime packages, will proceed manually installing rest of the conflicting packages
[05:26] <Tm_T> yeah, feeding the packages to dpkg manually does the trick
[05:26] <Tm_T> strange though
[05:34]  * valorie had no issues
[05:34] <valorie> except kmix had a sekret channel muted
[05:34] <valorie> which muted ALL sound
[05:34] <valorie> until I found the damn thing
[06:08] <Tm_T> yeah, finally upgraded to 4.9.0
[06:08] <valorie> \o/
[06:08] <Tm_T> my window decoration is suddenly back to KDE default, and if I try to enter to windeco kcm, kcm crashes
[06:08] <valorie> icky
[06:13] <Tm_T> a-ha! kde-artwork and its window decorations didn't update apparently
[06:14] <Tm_T> and the old windecos from there are not compatible
[06:17] <Tm_T> either have to fix those windecos on upstream or have to make kdelibs from 4.9 to conflict with those windecos I suppose
[06:38] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Perhaps of all the rdepends are tested.
[07:06] <Tm_T> valorie: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=304645
[07:14] <valorie> I'll have to say, I don't think I've ever messed with kwindecorations
[07:17] <valorie> and it doesn't crash for me
[07:23] <Tm_T> yup, has something to do with old windecos
[07:25] <Tm_T> aaand found it
[07:26] <Tm_T> ....where's tabstrip?!
[08:00] <Tm_T> hooray for plasma segfault: http://www.tm-travolta.net/traces/plasma-desktop-20120806-105846.kcrash
[08:10] <valorie> plasma used to crash all the time
[08:10] <valorie> I think it was the weather widget
[08:32] <Tm_T> here it seems to be related to µblog widget this time
[09:18] <Riddell> hmm kde bug 301646 is quite popular
[09:18] <Riddell> presumably what DoctorPepper was talking about last night
[09:28] <Tm_T> looks like there's lots of hassle and uncleaniness with old windecos and KDE 4.9.0
[09:41] <tsdgeos> /usr/lib/libkdecorations.so.4.8.0 <-- not kde 4.9
[09:48] <Tm_T> tsdgeos: where?
[09:48] <tsdgeos> iin that bug
[09:49] <Tm_T> tsdgeos: still, have you tried building kdeartwork windecos on KFR 4.9.0? atleast last time I tried most of them failed
[09:49] <tsdgeos> works like a charm here
[09:50] <tsdgeos> all packages build before releasing them
[09:50] <Tm_T> hmm, I wonder if something has changed recently then (:
[09:54] <tsdgeos> Tm_T: anyway i expect people to report errors if they found them, not silently ignore the
[09:54] <tsdgeos> m
[09:54] <tsdgeos> collaboration yadda yadda yadda
[09:54] <Tm_T> yup
[09:54] <Tm_T> I've reported (:
[09:55] <Tm_T> old windecos are lacking maintainership
[09:55] <tsdgeos> you reported to the wrong place
[09:55] <tsdgeos> if tarballs don't build
[09:55] <tsdgeos> release-team needs to know
[09:55] <Tm_T> I don't build tarballs, but from git/svn/etc
[09:56] <Tm_T> unfortunately my time with KDE has been limited to triggering kdesrc-build and then forget it /:
[09:57] <tsdgeos> then don't complain :-)
[10:04] <Tm_T> my intention isn't to complain, just state my observation (:
[10:08] <tsdgeos> Tm_T: sure
[10:38] <apachelogger_> anyone ever worked with debian/control.in files?
[10:39] <apachelogger_> was wondering if the mighty toolset needs a debian/control when building the source package or whether there is a trick to make it execute a rules target to get that file
[10:40] <apol> jtechidna: ping
[10:52] <Riddell> apachelogger_: control.in is evil, does anyone still use it?
[10:52] <apachelogger_> I do :P
[10:52] <apachelogger_> because dpkg is so insanely complex and yet fails to address use cases
[10:53] <Riddell> a debian/control will be needed, I think it works by recreating itself at the appropriate time
[10:54] <apachelogger_> yah, was just wondering
[10:54] <apachelogger_> buildpackage seems to try accessing control early on
[10:54] <apachelogger_> though it laters calls clean which is where you'd do the auto-update
[10:57] <Riddell> like I say, evil
[10:59] <apachelogger_> :'(
[10:59] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[11:07] <shadeslayer> debfx: uhm did you use 0.4.0ubuntu2 on purpose?
[11:07] <shadeslayer> for meta-kde-telepathy
[11:13] <shadeslayer> debfx: just to shut up lintian maybe?
[11:19] <apachelogger_> shadeslayer: we have a policy of our natives simply having ubuntuN appended
[11:19] <apachelogger_> as that is the only proper version of ubuntu moditifcations to natives
[11:19] <shadeslayer> aha ok
[11:19]  * shadeslayer just wanted to make sure before uploading
[11:19] <shadeslayer> apachelogger_: is this outlined somewhere btw?
[11:19] <apachelogger_> not sure
[11:20] <apachelogger_> discussed it on the ML
[11:20] <apachelogger_> all natives have that so I'd suppose one can notice that fact easily :P
[11:20] <apachelogger_> apparenlty not easily enough
[11:20] <shadeslayer> alrighty
[11:20] <shadeslayer> :P
[11:21] <shadeslayer> apachelogger_: the change log had foo-0ubuntu1 entries as well, so I was a bit confused
[11:22] <apachelogger_> perhaps it was non-native at some point
[11:22] <shadeslayer> meta-kde-telepathy-0.4.1.0ubuntu1 < sounds good right?
[11:22] <apachelogger_> shadeslayer: suppose
[11:23] <apachelogger_> shadeslayer: what's debian's version?
[11:24] <shadeslayer> 0.4.0
[11:24] <apachelogger_> why .1?
[11:24] <shadeslayer> in master that is
[11:24] <shadeslayer> apachelogger_: that's because we have the bug fix release in the archives
[11:24] <shadeslayer> and Quintasan forgot to update the meta package
[11:25] <apachelogger_> shadeslayer: do not bump versions on packages that are not ours
[11:25] <shadeslayer> apachelogger_: huh?
[11:25] <apachelogger_> the part before ubuntuN is not ours to change :P
[11:26] <shadeslayer> but then the package version is all screwy
[11:26] <apachelogger_> it is already
[11:26] <shadeslayer> 0.4.0ubuntu1 will pull in 0.4.1 packages
[11:26] <apachelogger_> versioning a meta package after what it's metaing is fucked up
[11:26] <shadeslayer> sigh
[11:26] <apachelogger_> what if a part of ktp gets a release some day bu tthe other does not (for lack of change)
[11:26] <apachelogger_> what do you version it then?
[11:26] <shadeslayer> true
[11:27] <apachelogger_> .300+.301+really301
[11:27] <shadeslayer> nope, .300+.301+upstream_is_screwing_with_us
[11:28] <apachelogger_> ~noreallywearescrewingwithyoutoo1+thisisactually300
[11:28] <apachelogger_> actually we should uplaod a version like that some time ^^
[11:28] <apachelogger_> april where are thou?
[11:28] <shadeslayer> heh
[11:30] <shadeslayer> meta-kde-telepathy-0.4.0ubuntu4 < alrighty then
[11:30] <apachelogger_> perfecto
[11:31] <shadeslayer> might I say, that version sucks
[11:31]  * apachelogger_ needs a krunner for chrome tabs for he has like 50000 of them and can't find no nthing nowhere
[11:36] <shadeslayer> bah
[11:36] <shadeslayer> I don't have upload rights for this package
[11:42] <shadeslayer> apachelogger_: can you upload https://launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/experimental/+files/meta-kde-telepathy_0.4.0ubuntu4.dsc
[11:43] <shadeslayer> currently building at : https://launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/experimental/+build/3705839
[11:43] <apachelogger_> shadeslayer: why can you not?
[11:43] <Darkwing> Hey guys. :)
[11:43] <shadeslayer> don't have upload rights
[11:43] <shadeslayer> Darkwing: hallo
[11:43] <apachelogger_> why do you not?
[11:43] <shadeslayer> because it's not the in the Kubuntu Packageset most likely
[11:43] <Darkwing> ohhhhh crap. I have to relearn teh time difference again.
[11:43] <shadeslayer> and (wince)  I'm not a MOTU
[11:44] <Darkwing> oh cool... Went from UTC -7 to UTC -4
[11:45] <apachelogger_> zomg, where is cj :O
[11:46] <apachelogger_> Riddell: cj does package set changes, doesn't he?
[11:48] <shadeslayer> cj is forever busy
[11:48] <debfx> apachelogger_: yes, if you want to have a packageset changed you need to write an email to him
[11:48] <shadeslayer> atleast when I talk to him :P
[11:48] <apachelogger_> oho
[11:48] <apachelogger_> actually *all* of ktp is not in our packageset
[11:48] <shadeslayer> apachelogger_: yus
[11:48] <apachelogger_> shadeslayer: send him an email listing all the ktp plz
[11:48] <shadeslayer> apachelogger_: will do
[11:49] <apachelogger_> it it's not fixed next week apply for MOTU :P
[11:49] <shadeslayer> agateau: ok, so a slight issue with the ui file, when doing video calls, the error widget won't show up
[11:49] <shadeslayer> haha :D
[11:49] <shadeslayer> dholbach keeps poking me about that
[11:49] <apachelogger_> shadeslayer: apply for motu regardless then
[11:50] <shadeslayer> apachelogger_: I don't do *alot* of Universe contributions, need to ramp that up before I apply
[11:50]  * shadeslayer will start doing that today
[11:50] <agateau> shadeslayer: about to leave for lunch and errands, ping me back if you don't come back to you in 2 or 3 hours
[11:50] <shadeslayer> sure
[11:52] <apachelogger_> shadeslayer: I'd think it has to do with the ability of doing universe work rather than having done it in the past :P
[11:53] <apachelogger_> considering all the universe are belong to us now I'd say there is ability and need :P
[11:53] <shadeslayer> good point
[11:54]  * shadeslayer looks up next meeting
[11:57] <shadeslayer> Monday August 13th, 2012 19:00 UTC, whee, next week
[11:57] <shadeslayer> time sucks for me though
[11:57] <shadeslayer> the one on the 27th looks better ... will apply then
[11:58] <apachelogger_> shadeslayer: did someone backport 0.4.1 to precise?
[11:58] <shadeslayer> apachelogger_: iirc it's in the kde telepathy PPA
[11:58] <shadeslayer> not in ubuntu-backports however
[11:58] <apachelogger_> our backports needs to have it
[11:58] <shadeslayer> I'll backport it when I backport virtuoso
[12:01] <shadeslayer> https://launchpad.net/~virtuoso -> Debugging sexy since 2008.
[12:01] <shadeslayer> hahaha
[12:02] <Darkwing> :D
[12:04] <allee> shadeslayer: quantal and precise have both virtuoso 6.1.4 not the new declared-as-best 6.1.6 . Is there already a virtuoso 6.1.6 pkg to test?
[12:04] <Riddell> allee: is it released?
[12:04] <shadeslayer> yes it's released
[12:04] <shadeslayer> I'm working on a 6.1.6 package right now
[12:04] <shadeslayer> so hang tight ;)
[12:04] <allee> Riddell: yes according to sebastian:
[12:04] <allee> shadeslayer: cool!!!
[12:05] <shadeslayer> http://sourceforge.net/projects/virtuoso/files/virtuoso/6.1.6/virtuoso-opensource-6.1.6.tar.gz/download 
[12:07] <Riddell> shadeslayer: lovely
[12:09]  * allee delays hunting some akonadi<->nepomuk slowness and keeps finger crossed for 6.1.6
[12:13] <apachelogger_> agateau: I cannot reproduce your frame lock with pvlc :(
[12:14] <apachelogger_> also the seek slider is broken Oo
[12:14] <apachelogger_> ah, nvm
[12:32] <shadeslayer> bah, virtuoso distributes binary files
[12:33] <shadeslayer> bad virtuoso
[12:33] <apachelogger_> http://wstaw.org/m/2012/08/06/plasma-desktopSB2367.png
[12:33] <apachelogger_> :/
[12:34] <Darkwing> Don't Blink... Isn't that where the weeping angels were introduced?
[12:34] <Riddell> shadeslayer: yeah you need to remove them, there should be a rule in debian/rules to do so
[12:35] <Riddell> apachelogger_: why the uncertain smiley?
[12:35] <apachelogger_> Riddell: works for me, does not work for agateau
[12:36] <ulysses> Darkwing: the episode was called "Blink", in 2007
[12:37] <Darkwing> ulysses: ahhhh, couldn't remember the name
[12:37] <Darkwing> But, I thought the weeping angles were one of the best bad guys in TV history.
[12:37] <Riddell> !testers
[12:38] <Riddell> smoke testing of 12.04.1 images needed http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/204/builds
[12:40] <yofel> I'm on vacation and on a crappy internet connection - count me out
[12:40] <Darkwing> I'll pull and test today
[12:40] <jtechidna> apol_: pong
[12:40] <Riddell> Darkwing: great
[12:48] <jtechidna> apol: oh, I suppose I should pong the proper nick :P
[12:53] <apol> jtechidna: xD it's ok now
[12:54] <apol> i fixed the origins thing
[12:54] <apol> and now we don't have the backendssingleton
[12:54] <jtechidna> great
[12:54] <jtechidna> I put a singleton in ResourcesModel because it looked like that was the only singleton left in BackendsSingleton
[12:54] <jtechidna> after your simplifications
[12:56] <shadeslayer> Riddell: doesn't look like there's a rule
[13:02] <jtechidna> apol: btw, do you know what a KNSResource::packageName() should look like when valid?
[13:02] <apol> a number...
[13:02] <jtechidna> ok
[13:03] <jtechidna> apol: basically what I saw was that with the plasmoid knsrc, sometimes ratingForApp would fail, and packageName would be a number
[13:04] <jtechidna> but I didn't know what a proper packagename would be
[13:04] <apol> yep
[13:05] <jtechidna> it's weird, but it looks like the test should test for that case now, but I can't reproduce it anymore
[13:10] <BluesKaj> dunno if it's a kde 4.9 thing , but i seem to have an intermittent desktop, KB and mouse freeze problem linked to startup and shutdown, during either the splash screen loading or after I choose the "Leave" dialog. 
[13:13] <BluesKaj> also the screen freezes and these small wavy lines appear in darker coloured areas of the wallpaper/scene
[13:15] <BluesKaj> at first I figured it might be the nvidia card failing or driver problems , but I can't recreate it on 12.04 with kde 4.9...this only happens on 12.10 with kde 4.9
[13:21] <apachelogger_> 12.10 has a different vesion of xorg
[13:21] <apachelogger_> and that issue is definitely because something in that stack explodes
[13:21] <apachelogger_> which most likely is the nvidia blob
[13:25] <shadeslayer> ScottK: kdenetwork is FTBFS with telepathy qt
[13:26] <shadeslayer> fun fun fun
[13:26] <shadeslayer> ../../../krfb/libvncserver/main.c:1113:9: error: implicit declaration of function 'gettimeofday' [-Werror=implicit-function-declaration]
[13:34] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Lovely.  I guess leave it out for now, but file a bug report upstream then.
[13:34] <ScottK> (or fix it)
[13:34] <shadeslayer> ScottK: already fixed, it's missing a include
[13:34] <ScottK> Cool.
[13:35] <shadeslayer> waiting for the build to complete, then will push upstream
[13:39]  * jtechidna wonders what would happen if it compiled after disabling -Werror=implicit-function-declaration
[13:39] <jtechidna> probably nothing good :P
[13:41] <ScottK> Going to upload 4.8.5 to the staging PPA.
[13:42] <BluesKaj> apachelogger_,  ok I'll keep an eye on it ...meanwhile i'll check the logs 
[13:45] <shadeslayer> jtechidna: said software will explode into a bazillion little pieces
[13:46] <shadeslayer> how did kdenetwork even compile O_O
[13:48] <ScottK> Could someone who knows the l10n magic please grab the 4.8.5 l10n and upload it to the staging PPA for precise?
[13:56] <shadeslayer> http://paste.kde.org/529748/ < can someone spot the error? I can't ....
[13:57] <shadeslayer> oh, maybe : configure: WARNING: wchar.h: present but cannot be compiled
[13:58] <shadeslayer> !find wchar.h
[13:58] <shadeslayer> -.-
[14:05] <shadeslayer> Can someone take over Calligra/KDevelop? I have my hands full atm 
[14:05] <shadeslayer> if not, I can look at it in a couple of days
[14:17] <shadeslayer> new telepathy-glib as well ^_^
[15:31] <ScottK> $ dput ppa:kubuntu-ppa/staging *.changes
[15:32] <ScottK> That's always fun.
[15:34] <shadeslayer> :D
[15:34] <shadeslayer> virtuoso is currently FTBFS due to upstream issues, working with them to figure it out ...
[15:34] <shadeslayer> allee: ^
[15:34] <ScottK> Riddell: Can you do the l10n for 4.8.5 to the staging PPA?
[15:38] <allee> shadeslayer: thx for the info!
[15:40] <allee> shadeslayer: not sure if I'll have the energy tonight, but were are the calligra tarballs.  From #Calligra it looks like 2.5 is retagged and retagged again
[15:50] <shadeslayer> allee: they're in a sekrit place
[15:50] <shadeslayer> bbl
[15:51] <allee> shadeslayer: me too bbl
[16:36] <Darkwing> Riddell: ping
[16:37] <Darkwing> Riddell: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/204/builds the i386 DVD and Desktop Live images are not around...
[17:03] <Riddelll> ScottK: yo, can do 4.8.5 l10n in a bit yes
[17:04] <ScottK> Riddell: Great.  Thanks
[17:04] <shadeslayer> so, does someone want to test krfb and krdc with tp features
[17:04] <shadeslayer> or should I just upload ( I've tested it before, and it was alright )
[17:04] <Riddelll> shadeslayer: got i386 quantal .debs?
[17:05] <ScottK> 4.8.5 packages had a bit of a setback because someone left the staging PPA depending on the backports PPA.
[17:05] <shadeslayer> mmm .. nope
[17:05] <shadeslayer> I could upload to ppa
[17:05] <Riddell> ScottK: mm, that doesn't sound right
[17:05] <ScottK> No, I fixed it.
[17:05] <Riddell> shadeslayer: nah just upload to archive and we'll test it there, live on the edge
[17:05] <shadeslayer> :D
[17:06] <Riddell> weird e-mail du jour http://paste.kde.org/529910/
[17:06] <ScottK> Unfortunately though kde4libs built against the newer soprano, so it needs redoing
[17:06] <ScottK> Waiting for it to finish now.
[17:06] <shadeslayer> MD5SUMS DO NOT MATCH!!!! OMG!! ...
[17:06] <jtechidna> http://www.nasa.gov/images/content/673736main_PIA15978-full_full.jpg
[17:07] <shadeslayer> :D
[17:07] <shadeslayer> jtechidna: do you know where I can watch a video of the splashdown?
[17:07] <shadeslayer> I searched a bit, didn't find anything
[17:07] <shadeslayer> kdenetwork up up and away
[17:08] <jtechidna> I thought I had seen something on youtube
[17:09] <jtechidna> shadeslayer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGEa9QYLUvQ&feature=youtu.be
[17:09] <ScottK> shadeslayer: http://player.vimeo.com/video/47022580 is an animation.
[17:10] <shadeslayer> sawn animation
[17:10] <jtechidna> stayed up until 2 am last night to watch it
[17:10] <shadeslayer> :D
[17:21] <micahg> FYI, Bug #1033575 affects the Kubuntu DVD as well, Kubuntu can decide for itself if you'd like that change to be made though
[17:23] <shadeslayer> shouldn't the seed blacklist have that?
[17:27] <debfx> afaik the blacklist isn't used at all
[17:27] <debfx> but just not seeding it would probably be enough ;)
[17:28] <shadeslayer> :)
[17:28]  * shadeslayer still thinks ISO builds are all magical
[17:29] <shadeslayer> for some reason, trying to build the kubuntu ISO manually pulls in unity
[17:29] <micahg> well, the blacklist is used to prevent it from being added to the package archive, but yeah, nothing else is pulling it in
[17:29] <shadeslayer> which, ironically, uses gconf update to update a couple of things but doesn't depend on gconf update
[17:30] <shadeslayer> ( updating using post install scripts )
[17:30] <shadeslayer> agateau: around?
[17:30] <shadeslayer> please please please fix my ui file :D
[17:41] <claydoh> what is the plan for official KDE updates for 12.04? Is there a possibility for 4.9  or later over the 5 years, or will we just keep to 4.8.x?
[17:42] <shadeslayer> claydoh: probably -backports if ScottK is fine with it :)
[17:42] <shadeslayer> claydoh: and theres 4.9 in the ppa
[17:43]  * shadeslayer remembers there being a official policy for this somewhere
[17:43] <claydoh> Cool, people are curious about what may be available in the standard repos
[17:43] <claydoh> over the 5 year life cycle
[17:44] <shadeslayer> if you're talking about -updates, then -updates will only have 4.8.x
[17:44] <ScottK> Riddell: We aren't updating the dvd for 12.04.1, are we?
[17:44] <shadeslayer> never 4.9
[17:45] <ScottK> Before we consider 4.9 for the official backports repository, I'd like to know who volunteers to do 5 years of security support for it (which is three years after is' no longer supported in 12.10).
[17:46] <ScottK> If you want 4.9 after 12.10 is released, I think you should use 12.10.
[17:46] <ScottK> That's been the way we've done it in the past.
[17:46] <shadeslayer> ouch
[17:46] <debfx> I highly doubt we can push 4.9 to the official backports repository
[17:47] <debfx> far too many rdepends of the various libs
[17:47] <shadeslayer> I don't even know whether we'll be around after 5 years ... ( we're supposedly dying this December )
[17:53] <shadeslayer> aka the Apocalypse
[17:54] <debfx> I hope it won't be as horrible as the movie (2012)
[17:55] <claydoh> shadeslayer: thanks
[17:55] <shadeslayer> debfx: 2012 was ~okay
[18:08] <Riddell> ScottK: dvd update, yep
[18:08] <ScottK> Oh.  OK.
[18:09] <ScottK> Then you ought to answer the question on -release about dropping the icedtea thing.
[18:22] <Quintasan> HOLY CRAP
[18:22] <Quintasan> WHY IT DOESNT WORK
[18:23] <ScottK> Because it's you.  You're fated for this.
[18:27] <Riddell> allee: did I get right you're going to package calligra 2.5?
[18:27] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: is it pythorn?
[18:27] <ScottK> Riddell: He needs access to the tarballs.
[18:30] <mikhas> shadeslayer, sure
[18:30] <shadeslayer> hi mikhas
[18:31] <Riddell> allee: ftpubuntu@ftpmaster.kde.org  should have it
[18:31] <shadeslayer> mikhas: ok, so mallit has a word completion feature ...
[18:31] <shadeslayer> mikhas: while we can help in packaging, #plasma can help you with respect to getting it integrated in the KDE Plasma Desktop
[18:32] <mikhas> shadeslayer, yes, see for instance http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXNWHP7Qd9c&feature=plcp and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akvQZwJYSbw&feature=plcp
[18:32] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: ^ weren't you taking care of mallit packages?
[18:32] <mikhas> I think at one point he did, yeah.
[18:33] <shadeslayer> hmm .. interesting
[18:33] <mikhas> Packaging is only the first step though, I am sure there are tons of Plasma-related bugs with Maliit.
[18:33] <shadeslayer> probably
[18:33] <mikhas> Or perhaps some integration features we still lack.
[18:34] <mikhas> (settings UI integration is a typical example)
[18:34] <shadeslayer> ok, so for integration, #plasma would be a better option
[18:34] <mikhas> yeah
[18:34] <shadeslayer> as for packaging, I can try and take over it
[18:34] <mikhas> cool!
[18:34] <shadeslayer> since Quintasan is now busy with uni and stuff
[18:35] <Riddell> Darkwing: did you get to testing precise daily images?
[18:35] <mikhas> shadeslayer, the one thing that probably broke most in our packaging was the Debian multiarch setup that came with Ubuntu 12.04 or so
[18:36] <mikhas> now Maliit still installs some stuff into wrong library directories, or not at all (at least that's what others have reported)
[18:36] <shadeslayer> oh my, searching for mallit on google is NSFW
[18:36] <mikhas> is it?
[18:36] <mikhas> lol
[18:36] <mikhas> shadeslayer, https://wiki.maliit.org/PackagingGuidelines
[18:36] <shadeslayer> yeah
[18:37] <mikhas> and https://wiki.maliit.org/Packaging
[18:37] <shadeslayer> aha, wrong spelling then :P
[18:45] <mikhas> shadeslayer, I now mentioned the optional dependencies for maliit-keyboard: https://wiki.maliit.org/index.php?title=PackagingGuidelines&action=historysubmit&diff=822&oldid=817
[18:45] <shadeslayer> mikhas: shouldn't be a issue, we're moving to universe
[18:45] <mikhas> :-)
[18:45] <shadeslayer> gives us more flexibility to add optional build deps
[18:46] <Darkwing> Riddell: about to spin em up;
[18:46] <shadeslayer> mikhas: I'm going to sleep, but I'll look over them this week and get back to you ...
[18:46] <shadeslayer> mikhas: do you have a email address/IRC Channel I can poke?
[18:47] <mikhas> shadeslayer, #maliit on this network
[18:48] <shadeslayer> alright, off to sleep I am
[18:49] <Riddell> guid nicht shadeslayer 
[18:49] <mikhas> gn
[18:51] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: 1. No 2. Yes 3. Uni stuff is not that urgent but I'm more worried why I can't have internet at home
[18:59] <micahg> Riddell: icedtea affects the quantal kubuntu seed as well (ISTR you no longer building dvd images though)
[19:02] <Riddell> micahg: right, removing the dvd seed file is somewhere on my todo list
[19:03] <micahg> ok, I won't worry about it then, thanks!
[19:15] <shadeslayer> Riddell: oh right, do you want to test krdc/krfb with telepathy capabilities?
[19:37] <Riddell> shadeslayer: if it's available
[19:38] <shadeslayer> It is
[19:38] <shadeslayer> Riddell: we need to be friends on jabber, add me on rohangarg at jabber.org
[19:40] <Riddell> shadeslayer: mm, I don't have a jabber account
[19:40] <shadeslayer> uhhh
[19:40] <Riddell> can it not work over any protocol?
[19:41] <shadeslayer> XMPP ...
[19:41] <Riddell> googletalk?
[19:41] <shadeslayer> sure
[19:41] <shadeslayer> need your gtalk address
[19:41] <Riddell> riddell@gmail .com
[19:41] <Riddell> but we're already friends and you're not online
[19:42] <shadeslayer> probably because I haven't added gtalk to ktp
[19:42] <Riddell> groove
[19:42] <Riddell> groovy
[19:42] <Riddell> got krdc 4:4.9.0-0ubuntu4
[19:42] <shadeslayer> ok, request sent
[19:43] <shadeslayer> ohhh
[19:43] <Riddell> hey it works!
[19:43] <shadeslayer> :D
[19:44] <shadeslayer> can you control my desktop?
[19:44] <shadeslayer> looks like it xD
[19:44] <shadeslayer> HELLO
[19:45] <shadeslayer> :P
[19:45] <shadeslayer> ok, IbaM ROHAN< I HAVE BECOME SENTIENT
[19:45] <shadeslayer> hehehe
[19:46] <Riddell> it's very slow though, too slow to do anything much useful with
[19:46] <Riddell> I wonder how it compares with someone who isn't on the other side of the world
[19:46] <shadeslayer> that'd be my network
[19:46] <shadeslayer> alot better
[19:53] <Quintasan> #!@!$#@!$
[19:53] <ScottK> Riddell: Is this the place you went in Nigeria: http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Making-a-difference/Change-Agent/2012/0806/A-modern-wired-university-grows-in-Nigeria
[19:54] <Quintasan> Anyone has any idea what value of Line Attenuation in my ADSL connection statistic would be okay?
[20:03] <jtechidna> Quintasan: depends on what speed you think you should be getting, I guess
[20:04] <Quintasan> jtechidna: Ehh, when I have to set up a network in my house it feels like I'm in a strange land
[20:04] <Quintasan> NOTHING WORKS
[20:04] <Quintasan> I bought a new 8-port switch
[20:04] <Quintasan> 10/100 mbps capable
[20:05] <Quintasan> and tried to replace my old 5-port godknowshowmany mpbs
[20:05] <Quintasan> I just plugged the new one in, plugged all the ethernet cables
[20:05] <jtechidna> as long as you weren't using a hub :P
[20:05] <Quintasan> and shit doest work
[20:05] <Quintasan> I plug in the old one and it WORKS
[20:05] <mikhas> jtechidna, was just thinking that, too
[20:05] <mikhas> Quintasan, check with a cross-over cable if you have
[20:05] <Quintasan> hub?
[20:06] <mikhas> hubs != switches
[20:06] <jtechidna> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethernet_hub
[20:06] <Quintasan> goddamn it I'm going to label all the cabels if they are crossed-over or not
[20:06] <jtechidna> basically it sends all packets to everybody connected
[20:06] <jtechidna> instead of packet routing
[20:06] <Quintasan> ...
[20:07] <Quintasan> hmmm
[20:07] <jtechidna> it's what was used before switches
[20:07] <Quintasan> 5-port Mini Jub
[20:07] <Quintasan> Hub*
[20:07]  * mikhas actually still travels with cross-over cables in the backpack
[20:07] <mikhas> always prepared =p
[20:08] <Quintasan> jtechidna, mikhas: let me sketch the situation for you, maybe you understand anything from this mess
[20:11] <jtechidna> as long as you don't have 70dB line attenuation you should at least get *something*
[20:19] <Quintasan> jtechidna: http://imgur.com/vcrSQ
[20:20] <Quintasan> I wanted to replace that 5-port mini hub with my brand new shiny 8-port switch but ffs I can't get anything to work
[20:20] <Quintasan> Be sure to zoom in the image
[20:21] <ScottK> If you connect straight to the switch, does it work?
[20:21] <Riddell> ScottK: not that one, I was in Kano, interesting though
[20:22] <Quintasan> ScottK: If I connect what to the switch directly?
[20:22] <ScottK> Quintasan: Your PC
[20:22] <ScottK> In your diagram it's connecting via the hub.
[20:23] <Quintasan> ScottK: Yes it works right now, the point is that I can't copy anything via network because it's slow as hell and I can't connect my iMX to the internet either because there is some magic in the kernel driver that causes it not to work on 10mbps networks
[20:24] <ScottK> Connect everything to the 8 port switch and throw the hub away.
[20:25] <Quintasan> Not enough cables I'm afraid
[20:25] <ScottK> The hub in there is a recipe for pain.
[20:25] <Quintasan> The question is why the hell switch-switch connection doesn
[20:25]  * ScottK suspects if you get rid of it all will be well.
[20:25] <Quintasan> 't work
[20:25] <Quintasan> switch-switch has to be a cross-over cable?
[20:25] <ScottK> What do you mean switch - switch?
[20:26] <ScottK> DGN  -> 8 port switch?
[20:26] <Quintasan> ScottK: If I replace the hub with the switch I don't have any connection
[20:26] <Quintasan> DGN -> 8 port switch -> 8port switch
[20:27] <ScottK> On switches there is usually one port labled WAN.
[20:27] <Quintasan> There are so many switches because the number of computers in my home is very unstable
[20:27] <ScottK> Make sure you plug the DGN into that one and then you shouldn't need a crossover
[20:27] <ScottK> There may be a switch on the switch to treat one port as the WAN port.
[20:27] <Quintasan> ScottK: There isn
[20:28] <Quintasan> Not on the new one or the older one
[20:28] <ScottK> The it's probably a hub and not a switch.
[20:28] <Quintasan> The manual says that all the ports can act as uplink port.
[20:28] <ScottK> Or it has some automagic detection of it.
[20:28] <Quintasan> This is retarded
[20:28] <Quintasan> I asked for a switch and they gave me a hub
[20:28] <Quintasan> ridiculous
[20:29] <Quintasan> Hell, even the box states it's a switch
[20:29] <ScottK> If you have DGN -> new switch -> PC and nothing else, does it work?
[20:29] <ScottK> It probably autodetects which is the "WAN" port.
[20:29] <Quintasan> It *should*, can't test it without dragging my PC over there
[20:29] <ScottK> (if the box says it's a switch)
[20:30] <ScottK> Can't you use the cable that's running to the hub right now?
[20:30] <Quintasan> This crap apparently has MDI/MDI-X (whatever it is) that apparently can tell apart a crossed-over cable from normal one
[20:31] <Quintasan> ScottK: Well, if I use the cable that goes from the switch to hub I can only connect one device.
[20:31] <ScottK> This is just for a test.
[20:31] <Quintasan> Oh, ok
[20:31] <Quintasan> Brb
[20:44] <Quintasan> ScottK: Doesn't work
[20:44] <ScottK> Is there a 'reset to factory settings' button on the switch?
[20:45] <ScottK> If so, disconnect all the cables, mash that, and then hook them up agani, DGN end  first.
[20:45] <Quintasan> ScottK: Uhh no
[20:45] <Quintasan> There are no buttons on the switches nor the hub
[20:45] <ScottK> If there's no button, just unplug the cables and pull the power for about a minute.
[20:45] <ScottK> The hook the DGN cable up and power on.
[20:47] <Quintasan> ScottK: Looking at my magical diagram I unplugged the ethernet cable that goes from 8port switch to 5 port hub and plugged it to my PC, no IP from dhcp; no connection whatsover
[20:47] <ScottK> Even after power cycling?
[20:47] <Quintasan> ScottK: No, right now, just wanted to confirm if we are talking about the same thing
[20:47] <ScottK> Yes.
[20:48] <ScottK> Go for it.
[20:49] <Quintasan> So you basically want me to unplug everything from the switch, power it off and the plug only the DGN cable?
[20:49] <Quintasan> hell
[20:49] <Quintasan> brb
[20:51] <ScottK> Yes.
[20:51] <jocarter> 712431
[20:52] <jocarter> (sorry that's the last words of a dying screen session)
[20:52] <ScottK> Now memorilized on irclogs.ubuntu.com.
[20:54] <jocarter> heh
[20:58] <Quintasan> ScottK: well, ok, dgn is powered on, not plugged anywhere, powering the 8port switch on and pluggin in the dgn cable
[20:59] <ScottK> The DGN is plugged in to your ISP, right?
[21:00] <Quintasan> yeah
[21:02] <Quintasan> Ok
[21:02] <Quintasan> What now?
[21:03] <Quintasan> DGN connected to the 8 port switch and to nothing else.
[21:05] <ScottK> Then connect PC to switch via the long cable.
[21:07] <Riddell> ScottK: 4.8.5 kde-l10n into kubuntu-ppa/staging ?
[21:07] <ScottK> Riddell: Yes.  Please.
[21:07] <ScottK> 4.8.5 is just about done building.
[21:14]  * ScottK wonders where Quintasan went.
[21:34] <Quintasan> ScottK: sorry, seems like dgn died for good
[21:35] <Quintasan> I switched back to the thing I got from isp. Now I'm plugging it to the 8 port switch
[21:36] <ScottK> OK
[21:37] <Quintasan> Ok now it is plugged to the 8 port switch and the cable that goes down to the 5 port hub is unplugged
[21:37] <Quintasan> note that I want to get rid of that damned hub
[21:40] <Quintasan> So, here I have the godamn 5 port hub and another 8 port switch, do I plug the second switch now or you have some nifty magic spell to invoke ScottK? My sanity depends on your vast knowledge of the network magicks.
[21:40] <ScottK> How many devices do you need to connect?
[21:41] <ScottK> And are the all near the PC?
[21:42] <Quintasan> I need to connect three devices, my PC, iMX (it works only on 100mbps link) and the second random pc which is used as a playground
[21:42] <Quintasan> they are all in the same room
[21:42] <ScottK> So I'd plug the ISP thingy into the wall, then use the long cable to plug to the 8 port switch, and then plug all three into that.
[21:42] <ScottK> Ditch the hub.
[21:43] <ScottK> Power them on ISP thingy, switch, boxen.
[21:43] <Quintasan> well I can't do that without moving all the stuff, thats why I have the freaking hub in the first place
[21:43] <Quintasan> lemme take photos
[21:48] <Quintasan> ScottK: http://www.imgur.com/aHrKI.jpeg this is the cable that goes through some magic hole in the wall to the 8 port switch to the room downstairs
[21:48] <ScottK> OK.
[21:48] <ScottK> Is the room downstairs where the ISP thingy is or the computers?
[21:49] <ScottK> Quintasan: ^^^
[21:54] <Quintasan> ScottK: Neither. That cable in the photo goes a little bit up to the router standing on a wardrobe
[21:54] <ScottK> What's at the other end of the cable?
[21:54] <Quintasan> it does from the router through the wall to a room downstair where my sis used to live in and there is a switch in  the corner
[21:55] <Quintasan> s/does/goes
[21:55] <Quintasan> http://i.imgur.com/iHce6.jpg
[21:55] <ScottK> OK.
[21:55] <Quintasan> the cable plugged in is obviously the one from the router and the rolled up, grey one is the one that goes to the room where my pc is
[21:55] <ScottK> And the ISP thingy is in that room?
[21:56] <Quintasan> even further down stairs
[21:56] <ScottK> I start to see.
[21:56] <Quintasan> No. ISP thingy is the router upstairs
[21:57] <ScottK> So ISP thingy - one long cable - ex-sister's room/router - another long cable - hub - computers
[21:57] <Quintasan> almost
[21:57] <ScottK> OK.
[21:57] <Quintasan> isp thingy is a adsl modem+wireless+1eth port
[21:57] <ScottK> How so?
[21:57] <ScottK> Yeah.
[21:58] <Quintasan> and in my sisters room there is a switch
[21:58] <ScottK> Right.
[21:58] <Quintasan> the damned label sates it is a switch and it has only 8 ethernet ports
[21:58] <ScottK> And these cables are in the wall, so it's non-trivial to mess with them, right?
[21:58] <ScottK> It probably is then.
[21:58] <Quintasan> Yeah
[21:59] <ScottK> Here's what I would do ...
[21:59] <Quintasan> I'd would probably have to hit the wall with a hammer a few times to mess with those cables
[21:59] <ScottK> 1.  Get one big honking cable that's long enough to go from the ADSL modem to your computer.
[21:59] <ScottK> 2.  Connect those two together and prove that works.
[22:00] <ScottK> If that works:
[22:00] <Quintasan> I think I have a netbook somewhere. I'll try with this
[22:00] <ScottK> 3.  Hook the ADSL router to the switch via the appropriate cable in the wall.
[22:00] <ScottK> 4.  Hook your PC to the router.
[22:00] <ScottK> See if that works.
[22:00] <ScottK> Even better.
[22:01] <ScottK> If the router doesn't work, move the hub down there and see if it works.
[22:01] <ScottK> You can also plug your netbook into the cable that comes through the wall from the ADSL modem and see if that works (prove the cable is good).
[22:01] <Quintasan> Wait, the router has only one ethernet port. I either connect it directly to the PC or to the switch
[22:02] <Quintasan> and wireless
[22:02] <ScottK> Oh.
[22:02] <ScottK> You said it was an 8 port router.
[22:02] <Quintasan> nooooo
[22:03] <Quintasan> ScottK: Look at the first photo
[22:03] <ScottK> http://imgur.com/vcrSQ says 8 port switich.
[22:04] <Quintasan> ScottK: Is switch == router to you?
[22:04] <ScottK> No.
[22:04]  * Quintasan things he is using the wrong terms
[22:04] <ScottK> Switch, router, and hub are three different things.
[22:05] <ScottK> Hub is a dumb box where packets collide and ugly stuff happens.
[22:06] <Quintasan> ScottK: Ok, substitute dgn with livebox - its the thing I use to connect to the internet, this particular device has one ethernet port which is used to connect a device and also is an wireless access point
[22:06] <ScottK> livebox == ADSL modem?
[22:06] <Quintasan> yes
[22:06] <ScottK> Switch knows the difference between upstream WAN link and peer links.  Has some smarts.
[22:06] <Quintasan> its a combo of adsl modem , router and wireless ap
[22:07] <Quintasan> Its shitty but I have nothing better at hand now that dgn died for good
[22:07] <ScottK> Router does stuff like assign DHCP addresses and things and effectively has a separate network behind it.
[22:07] <ScottK> OK.
[22:07] <ScottK> Find the netbook and just go through it step by step.
[22:08] <ScottK> livebox - short cable - netbook.
[22:08] <ScottK> livebox - long cable through wall to ex-sister's room - netbook
[22:08] <ScottK> etc.
[22:09] <ScottK> I see the language packs are starting to land.
[22:09] <ScottK> Thanks Riddell .
[22:10] <ScottK> Riddell:  I have to run out for a bit.  If you can find someone to smoke test 4.8.5 in staging, I think it's ready to be copied to updates and announced after your langpacks are done.
[22:11] <ScottK> Quintasan: I'll check back later.  Good luck.  Be methodical and don't assume anything works.
[22:12] <ScottK> I did a test install in a chroot, so I know installability is good.
[22:14] <Quintasan> ScottK: Oookay. So far step 1. worked
[22:21] <ScottK> That's good.
[22:21]  * ScottK goes.
[22:21] <Quintasan> See yoy later then, going to test it though I doubt the cables are bad
[22:24] <Riddell> !testers
[22:24] <Riddell> smoke test 4.8.5 in staging
[22:27] <Quintasan> ScottK: lb -> long cable through wall -> netbook works (no idea how did I manage to plug this crap in)
[22:33] <Quintasan> ScottK: lb -> long cable through wall -> 8 port switch -> short cable -> netbook works
[22:46] <Quintasan> ha...hahah....haha...AHAHAHAHAHAHAH
[22:46] <Quintasan> not
[22:46] <Quintasan> ScottK: lb -> long cable -> switch -> long cable to pc room -> netbook doesn't work
[22:46] <Quintasan> http://i.imgur.com/o6WHO.png
[22:47] <Quintasan> It says "Address type: Automatic private address"
[22:47] <Quintasan> IP Address: 169.254.253.82
[22:47] <Quintasan> Subnet mask: 255.255.0.0
[22:48] <Quintasan> Not what I get plus setting a static ip address doesn't establish communication
[22:49] <Quintasan> Hmm, let me try something.
[22:52] <Quintasan> ARE YOU FOR REAL
[22:53] <Quintasan> ScottK: lb -> long cable to sis room -> 8 port switch -> cable to pc room -> this damn hub -> short cable -> netbook WORKS
[22:53] <Quintasan> for some reason
[22:53] <Quintasan> and it's only 10mpbs
[22:53] <Quintasan> whilst the rest of tests yielded 100mbps
[22:53] <Quintasan> There is something wrong with the cable then
[22:53] <Quintasan> But how do you explain this.
[22:55] <ScottK> It's always the cable.
[22:55] <Quintasan> by cable  I mean the cable that goes from the freaking 8 port switch to the pc room
[22:55] <Quintasan> when you plug it in to the pc it gets some mumbojumbo ip address
[22:56] <ScottK> Is that a switch or a router?
[22:56] <Quintasan> and when I plugged it into the hub and used short cable to plug the netbook in it worked
[22:56] <Quintasan> ScottK: it's a goddamn hub
[22:56] <Quintasan> the one I want to get rid of
[22:57] <Quintasan> holy crap how does this even work
[22:57] <ScottK> Quintasan: 169.254 are link-local addresses.
[22:58] <ScottK> That means there's no outside connectivity.
[22:59] <ScottK> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Link-local_address#IPv4
[22:59] <Quintasan> But the same freaking cable plugged to HUB somehow works
[22:59] <ScottK> What ip address does the netbook have then?
[22:59] <Quintasan> 8port switch -> long cable to pc room -> netbook doesnt work (gives local-link address)
[23:00] <Quintasan> 8port switch -> long cable to pc room -> HUB -> short cable -> netbook works
[23:00] <ScottK> With what IP address?
[23:00] <ScottK> (when it works)
[23:00] <Quintasan> 192.168.1.16
[23:00] <Quintasan> assigned by dhcp
[23:00] <Quintasan> as one would like to
[23:01] <ScottK> Look at http://192.168.1.1 and see what comes up.
[23:01] <Quintasan> livebox web admin panel
[23:01] <ScottK> OK.
[23:02] <ScottK> I question if that's a switch in the ex-sister's room or a router.
[23:02] <Quintasan> It's a freaking switch
[23:02] <Quintasan> I'm telling you
[23:02] <ScottK> OK.
[23:02] <ScottK> Well we had some terminology issues earlier.
[23:02] <Quintasan> I has virtually nothing but ethernet ports and power cable socket
[23:03] <Quintasan> It*
[23:03] <ScottK> This can also be true of routers.
[23:03] <Quintasan> Hell, if the lable is wrong then I have been buying the wrong stuff
[23:04] <Quintasan> It says "8 Port 10/100 Switch"
[23:04] <ScottK> OK.
[23:04] <ScottK> It's definitely weird.
[23:04] <ScottK> So with the netbook/hub it 'works', right?
[23:04] <Quintasan> yes
[23:04] <Quintasan> I'm writing from netbook/hub as we talk
[23:04] <ScottK> What happens if you also plug your PC into the hub?
[23:05] <Quintasan> work
[23:05] <Quintasan> s
[23:05] <Quintasan> Just did a speedtest
[23:05] <ScottK> Cool.
[23:05] <ScottK> Arm box?
[23:05] <Quintasan> no connection
[23:05] <ScottK> Wrong speed?
[23:05] <Quintasan> doesn't work on 10mbps link
[23:06] <ScottK> So what's 10Mbps?
[23:06] <ScottK> All segments or just hub/arm box.
[23:06] <Quintasan> all devices plugged to hub are 10mbps
[23:06] <Quintasan> my pc, netbook, arm box and second pc
[23:06] <Quintasan> all report 10mbps
[23:06] <ScottK> What's the speed between the hub and the switch?
[23:07] <Quintasan> how do you call the ethernet cable when it's no crossed-over?
[23:07] <Quintasan> ScottK: I imagine if I went to the switch and plugged the netbook it would be 100 mbps
[23:07] <Quintasan> brb
[23:07] <ScottK> Right, but there should be lights on the hub/switch to tell you the speed.
[23:08] <ScottK> Riddell: I think "index.docbook:4880: parser error : Entity 'plugins-chapter' not defined" means the translation needs kdelibs 4.9, so we should skip it.
[23:09] <Quintasan> ScottK: Right.
[23:09] <Quintasan> So with the netbook plugged in to the switch I get 100 mbps
[23:10] <Quintasan> the hub with the rest of devices are still plugged in
[23:10] <Quintasan> Fabulous. Never seen this kind of magic
[23:11] <Quintasan> ScottK: I wonder if it has something to do with the cable going from switch to pc room being crossed or not
[23:11] <ScottK> Quintasan: No.  Crossed/not crossed gets you works/doesn't work if you get it wrong.
[23:11] <Quintasan> ScottK: Ha, it doesn't work if I plug it in to PC
[23:12] <Quintasan> It also doesn't work when I swap the HUB for the new 8 port switch I bought today
[23:13] <ScottK> Quintasan: Your life would be much easier with this in the ex-sister's room: http://www.amazon.com/Belkin-R6D011-Female-Inline-Coupler/dp/B00006HTTE
[23:13] <ScottK> Then it's just like one long cable.
[23:15] <Quintasan> Hmm, I think I might have one somewhere but that is a big speculation and I don't necessarily want to wake up my dad
[23:15] <ScottK> Sure.
[23:15] <ScottK> I can understand that.
[23:15] <ScottK> I suspect the feeling is mutual.
[23:16] <Quintasan> ScottK: What happens when I find that thing and plug both cables and it still doesn't work when connected directly to PC or to switch?
[23:16] <ScottK> Riddell: Did you get the kde-l10n-da-4.8.5.tar.xz dated 5 august as it was allegedly fixed.
[23:16] <Quintasan> ScottK: Especially when it's 01:15 in here.
[23:16] <ScottK> Quintasan: Then you figure the cables are too crappy for 100 Mbps all the way from the ISP thing.
[23:16] <Quintasan> ALL THE WAY?
[23:17] <Quintasan> not just the single one going from sis room to pc room?
[23:17] <ScottK> If you put the router in the PC room, each machine ought to be able to negotiate it's own speed with the router independent of the speed between the router and the next box upstream.
[23:17] <ScottK> Well, if you use one of those it's like one long cable.
[23:17] <ScottK> Simplifying, but longer cable.
[23:18] <Quintasan> Hmm, true.
[23:18] <Riddell> ScottK: got the latest from the server today
[23:18] <ScottK> Hmmm.
[23:18] <ScottK> Riddell:  I'd say it deserve a mail to dirk.
[23:19] <ScottK> I've got a reply started.
[23:19] <ScottK> Or I did until kontact froze up on me.
[23:19] <Quintasan> Holy crap. Looks like I either look for a monitor and a keyboard and a mouse and move out with my iMX or deal with it
[23:20] <Quintasan> Feels bad man.
[23:21] <Quintasan> ScottK: You don't happen to offer home network designing services, do you?
[23:22] <ScottK> I'm glad to offer help here. 
[23:22] <ScottK> Riddell: Mailed.
[23:23] <ScottK> Anyone on precise with 4.8.2/4 that could install 4.8.5 from staging and give it a whirl?
[23:23] <Quintasan> ScottK: I can.
[23:23] <ScottK> Excellent.
[23:23] <Quintasan> ScottK: If I ever happen to be building my own house you gotta be here
[23:24] <Quintasan> No way in hell I'm doing any of this magic without help
[23:24] <ScottK> :-)
[23:24] <ScottK> The future is all fiber optics.
[23:24] <Quintasan> I *though* I control what the hell is going on with all those cables
[23:24] <Quintasan> Up until now.
[23:25] <Quintasan> I wish I could just have those cables hanging from the ceiling or laying on the damn stairs
[23:25] <Quintasan> at least the access was easier
[23:26] <Quintasan> You could trip or something but maintaining is less expensive
[23:26] <Quintasan> Well, nuff said, going to upgrade to 4.8.5
[23:26] <ScottK> Well, I suspect the problem is really way too much automagic in your gear.
[23:26] <ScottK> Thanks.
[23:31] <ScottK> Gotta run.
[23:31] <ScottK> Let Riddell  know if it works so he can copy to updates PPA.
[23:38] <Quintasan> Riddell: You do not happen to know if shadeslayer uploaded new ktp meta package?
[23:45] <JontheEchidna> in my network communications class we had a guest lecturer who did a demo and spliced a fiber optic cable. pretty neat stuff
[23:55] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: Y I NO LIVE IN US AND A
[23:56] <JontheEchidna> lol
[23:56] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: http://knowyourmeme.com/photos/363738-dolan
[23:57] <JontheEchidna> is acually bsd
[23:57] <Quintasan> LINUSK PLS