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DarkStarNeed some help with setting up a separate workspace on another monitor,  using arandr i can get the other monitor on, but it spreads the desktop out, what i need is a separate desktop on the additional monitor, and im having major issues00:33
DarkStaranybody?00:38
kanlioti had problems with that until i installed catalyst control center for my ATI graphics00:40
DarkStarI'm using a netbook with onboard intel graphics..00:40
DarkStarWith nvidia on my desktop this is very simple.00:40
kanliotdid you drag the monitors next to each other?00:40
DarkStarYea I did, the issue is that when i apply the settings, on the laptop screen I lose my dock, and the lower part of windows. such as the input box on xchat.00:41
kanliotso lxpanel messes up?00:42
DarkStarBut the dock shows up on the other monitor, when i dont want it, I want my laptop to remain unchanged, and the extra monitor to be just another desktop/workspace.00:42
DarkStarEven with the lxpanel restart00:42
DarkStarI lose cairo on the laptop, the lxpanel is ^ above, and i fixed that issue by adding lxpanelctl restart00:43
DarkStarto the script in arandr00:43
DarkStarthe main issue is that it is scaling the laptop monitor incorrectly, and im stumped on how to fix that issue.00:44
David23400Hello guys, i'm installing lubuntu on my laptop with 1.7ghz CPU and 512mb RAM , do you think it will be smooth?01:52
kanliotare you wiping the pc?01:59
kanliotwith 512 you should avoid the manual paritioioner b/c it will crash, or you could use the alt cd01:59
David23400kanliot02:00
David23400didnt understand xD02:00
David23400i'm totaly new02:00
kanliotyeah02:00
David23400i dont know anything02:00
kanliotit's ok02:00
kanlioti get confused too02:00
kanliotare you doing dual boot?02:01
David23400what's dual boot02:01
David23400i installed with windows isntaller02:01
kanliotwubi?02:01
David23400yea02:01
kanlioti donno never used wubi02:02
kanliotif you get stuck with wubi you might try #ubuntu02:03
kanliotthats a different channel02:03
David23400ok thx02:03
kanliotI'd rather dual boot02:03
kanliotmakes a lot more sense to me02:03
kanliotbut you gotta start somewhere02:04
kanliotso keep goin02:04
David23400ok thanks02:04
kanliot:)02:04
kanliotDavid23400,  there seems to be slower booting with wubi read http://askubuntu.com/questions/8159/wubi-performance-difference02:07
kanliotother than that you should be fine02:07
kanliotso don't do any video editing you are good02:07
wallynutsHi I'm a noob to linux and I've been playing with lubuntu on and eeepc for a few days, I want to make a simple light weight kernel for my computer.  I under stand the basics of making a kernel but I have a few questions.08:04
silverarrowhi08:06
smilehi silverarrow, how are you? :) have you got questions? :)08:07
silverarrowpost the question wallynuts , some clever guy might read it evetually08:07
silverarrowI`m fine thanks, sort of08:07
smile:)08:07
silverarrowI have had trouble with a hp computer that would not boot any of the ubuntus for some odd reason,08:08
wallynutsif I'm starting with a vanilla kernel do I need any specfic ubuntu/lubuntu patches or do I need to get the source from the ubuntu tree?08:08
bioterrorthe benefits of custom kernel is a little faster booting08:08
bioterrornothing more08:08
bioterrorhonestly08:08
silverarrowI suppose it is worth burning 12.04 and see what happens08:08
silverarrowdo you know if disk utility should work from a live cd?08:09
wallynutsI need a driver supported in 3.4.X I found a precompiled one but I want to make it my self seems like a good learning experince08:09
silverarrowI am not that advanced yet08:10
smilesilverarrow: it does work from live cd, but you can't format the live disk then :)08:10
smileonly other connected devices, including your hard disk08:11
silverarrowthanks, it is the harddisk I worry a bit about08:11
silverarrowit is a computer that has run way too hot for way to long08:12
silverarrowit turned out to be clogged fan outlet08:12
silverarrowmajorly08:12
smilesilverarrow: okay :) good luck fixing :)08:14
silverarrowI have managed to install puppy linux fine, and it runs all right, not sure what the windows issues can be, but recovery partition seems to be damaged some how08:14
silverarrowlubuntu is a full stable os, perferable08:14
silverarrowsee  you later if I get the same live CD bootup trouble, hoping there might be a way about it08:15
silverarrowhave a fine day08:16
smileOkay! :)08:16
smilethanks08:16
smilebye08:16
wallynutswb silverarrow08:25
wallynutswhat is a zen kernel?08:25
smilewallynuts: a kernel with zen virtualisation built in08:41
smile:)08:41
smileI think08:42
smile:p08:42
smilenot sure08:42
wallynutsthanks for the info08:44
smileZen_(programming), hardcore style of writing programms. <- says wikipedia08:46
silverghostoioioioioioioi09:08
silverghostwhy is lubuntu not a lts release09:08
silverghostwtf09:08
smilexD09:25
silverarrowis there a way to check what kind of graphic card I have ?12:56
bioterrorlspci |grep VGA12:56
vit_ohi everybody!13:14
bioterrorhi vit_o13:14
vit_ohow can I have my default bottom panel back?13:14
vit_oit disappears when I tried to a new one13:15
silverarrowhi vit_o13:16
silverarrowhmm, yes there is a command to reset the bottom panel13:16
vit_oI tried: lxpanelctl restart or  killall lxpanel && lxpanel --profile Lubuntu as specified in the documentation but nothing changed13:19
silverarrowhmm,13:20
silverarrowI`ve had that too, but along time ago,13:21
silverarrowbioterror:  is wizz with these things13:23
DiFishhi!13:23
DiFishI installed lubuntu13:23
silverarrowhi13:23
DiFishbut everytime I boot up13:24
DiFishit just stays where it says *Starting Bluetooth      [OK]13:24
DiFish^13:24
vit_oso, any idea? xD13:24
silverarrowvit_o:  wait for the clever guys, lol13:24
DiFishif I press ctrl+alt+del then it responds and stop everything as usual and issue a reboot13:24
vit_oahahahaha ok :)13:25
silverarrowyou often get quick replies on the ubuntu forum though vit_o13:25
silverarrowDiFish: you might have to do a command at bootup13:25
DiFishyes, I was looking for that13:25
DiFishso what command?13:26
silverarrowif it is a but there is a good chance it is fixed, but need to do updates13:26
silverarrowDiFish: there might be a blacklist command, but I cannot find it13:30
DiFishawww13:30
* DiFish is heart broken13:30
silverarrowa bug*  I mean13:30
silverarrowno don`t be13:30
DiFish0.013:30
DiFishplease tell me I don't have to download a new iso13:30
DiFishI am on limited bandwidth13:30
DiFish:(13:30
silverarrowa solution will appear any minute ;-)13:30
silverarrowyou did md5 sum check? and burn at lowest speed?13:31
DiFishno I burned into a usb and installed, all went fine13:31
DiFishworks in another pc but not in this one13:31
silverarrowit is most likely fine then13:31
silverarrowI still suggest post on the ubuntu forum13:33
DiFish0.013:33
silverarrowhowever, you might have to do a reinstall, did you manage to boot at all after install?13:34
DiFishother pc aka laptop does boot13:35
DiFishbut not this one13:35
silverarrowyou managed to boot in live CD?13:35
silverarrowor live usb13:35
DiFishno no, its not live cd, its alternate install13:36
silverarrowI see13:36
DiFishI installed lubuntu into hdd13:36
DiFish^13:36
silverarrowyou might try burning a live cd then, there are sometimes different configs there13:37
silverarrowbut only if it is easy,13:37
DiFish?13:37
silverarrowwhat model and make is your computer?13:38
DiFishumm its much safer if done using usb as cds get naughty with burning speed and stuff which the usb ones doesn't involve13:38
DiFishits a x86 AMD 1.6GHz with 256MB ram13:38
silverarrowI see,13:38
DiFishI can boot fine using the live cd13:38
silverarrowlow RAM for a fairly fast cpu?13:39
DiFishwell I can't find ddr 1 rams these days13:39
silverarrowoh you can, on ebay13:39
silverarrowbut not that important in lubuntu I think13:40
DiFish...13:40
silverarrowjust as long as swap is fine13:40
DiFishgot 512mb swap13:40
DiFishI just need to boot it up13:40
DiFishgets to go as far as *Starting Bluetooth       [OK]13:41
DiFishand just sit there13:41
silverarrowyes, something haults...13:41
silverarrowhmm13:41
DiFishbut the system does respond if I issue ctrl+alt+del13:41
DiFishno error or anything is issued13:41
DiFishjust sits there13:41
silverarrowI would do a new install, format harddrive, and all over again13:44
DiFishomg!13:44
DiFishI got me files and windowZ13:44
silverarrowwell, on the lubuntu partition13:45
DiFishbut....but...13:45
DiFish:(13:45
silverarrowhmm13:45
DiFishinstallation went fine, I got to the part where it said all went fine, remove installation media so it boots to installed system rather than the installation part13:46
DiFish^13:46
DiFishwouldn't the installation half if something went wrong?13:46
silverarrowyes, it should work really, or at least be  managable somehow13:47
silverarrowfor the time being, do some ideling here and post you question if you see someone enter13:48
DiFishkk13:49
DiFishthanks for your help :)13:49
silverarrowhttp://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1GB-2-X-512MB-pc2700-sodimm-ddr333-200pin-Laptop-memory-so-dimm-200-pin-ram-DDR1-/280866208743?pt=UK_Computing_ComputerComponents_MemoryRAM_JN&hash=item4164ee3be713:50
silverarrowI even might have two of those, it it is the right kind13:51
silverarrowif it is*13:51
DiFisherm no13:51
DiFishi got a pc with old motherboard and ddr1 256mb ram13:51
DiFish^13:51
silverarrow200 pin?13:51
DiFishdespite the intention I have a credit card that is inter country only13:52
DiFishdunno13:52
DiFish:(13:53
silverarrowhttp://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1gb-kit-Samsung-PC2700-DDR1-333Mhz-Laptop-Memory-Sodimm-Notebook-Ram-/320940842573?pt=UK_Computing_ComputerComponents_MemoryRAM_JN&hash=item4ab9909e4d13:54
silverarrowanyhow, if mine are compatible, they would not cost anything13:54
DiFisherm could we just address the route instead of getting distracted13:54
DiFishas I said the live cd boots fine13:54
DiFishso I don't need more ram13:54
DiFish:)13:54
silverarrowtrue, swap takes care of it13:56
DiFishthen I was erm live cd bootup doesn't get swap13:56
silverarrowtrue, unless there was a swap partition already there13:57
DiFishonly windows there13:57
silverarrowlive cds tend to grab whatever they find13:57
silverarrowi see13:57
DiFishI installed it this afternoon13:57
silverarrowvery slow?13:57
silverarrowanyhow, hang in there, help will come13:58
silverarrowthere old comptuers usually perform well when finally set up13:58
silverarrowthese* sorry for the typos13:59
silverarrowI will leave you for now, back later13:59
silverarrowI`m sure the solution is rather simple when you get it14:00
silverarrowand think about the forum,14:00
silverarrowlots of activity there14:00
DiFishzleap: hi!14:11
leszekhi14:44
DiFishhello again!15:07
DiFishso I tried the recovery mode bootup15:07
DiFishdropped into root shell15:07
DiFishtried #startx15:07
DiFishit ended with somekind of nvidia error with a lot of novue nvid etc15:08
leszekDiFish: please paste the contents of /var/log/Xorg.0.log for Xorg errors. (use a nopaste service for this)15:09
DiFisherr how?15:09
DiFishI am a simpleton15:09
DiFish:)15:10
DiFishI am in windows now15:10
DiFishduel boot15:10
DiFisherm is there a way I can access that from windows?15:10
Kreacheryou will have to boot to linux, and copy the file to your windows partition, boot back to windows then paste the file from there15:17
DiFishkk15:17
DiFishwait15:17
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AndreeeCZhi. How do i access samba files via pcmanfm?15:32
AndreeeCZthanks :)15:32
leszekAndreeeCZ: smb://<ip-of-windows-pc>15:37
AndreeeCZleszek, i wanted to share between two linux boxes15:37
David23400I've installed lubuntu on my 1.7GHZ CPU 512MB RAM PC and its SLOOOOOOOOOOOOW , what i do?? ( is it because i've installed it with windows installer?)15:38
leszekAndreeeCZ: then <ip-of-linux-pc>15:38
leszek:P15:38
AndreeeCZleszek, and how do i share something?15:38
leszekAndreeeCZ: you need to install the samba-server for this, if you really want to use samba. If you only share between two linux pcs I would recommend ssh15:39
DiFishmy xorg.0.log15:39
DiFishhttp://pastebin.com/X9ekeKnc15:39
leszekDavid23400: if you used wubi on windows install lubuntu that could be really a problem15:39
David23400this is the reason to be laggy and not smooth?15:40
David23400when i click on chromium it takes 30-40 seconds to open15:40
AndreeeCZleszek, just linux-linux connection15:40
AndreeeCZleszek, whats the most simple way?15:40
leszekDiFish: there is something wrong with your installation it does not find any modules it needs for xorg15:41
DiFish:(15:41
DiFishits a fresh install from alternate install iso15:41
leszekAndreeeCZ: install openssh-server it should then start automatically and you can access the files and folders from your linux box with sftp://username@remote-linuxpc-ip-adress15:42
leszekDiFish: it can't load nvidia and it does not load even the vesa driver, because it can't find it. So there is definitely something wrong with your xserver-xorg installation15:43
DiFishso what is my solution here?15:43
DiFishreinstall?15:44
DiFishthrow away my nvidia card?15:44
DiFishchange something?15:44
leszekDiFish: if you have the capacity please try a Lubuntu Live CD first15:46
leszekif it runs well install from there15:47
DiFishI tried the lubuntu 12.0415:47
DiFishbut it was a bit laggy when I started chrome as I have 256m ram15:47
DiFishso I installed lubuntu 11.10 instead15:48
DiFishI mean lubuntu 12.04 live15:48
leszekthats no real solution if 11.10 does not work for you :P15:48
DiFishawww15:48
leszekEither user 12.04 and try to tweak it a little bit to get more speed or upgrade your RAM :P15:48
DiFishoh I tried to install lubuntu 12.04 from live but it crashes after that copyinfg file spart15:49
leszekOr of course you could also start using a window manager only instead of an desktop environment15:49
DiFishthat is the installer just plainly disappears after copying files15:49
DiFishor sometimes it goes dark and only have the busy mouse cursor15:49
leszekDiFish: do you have swap space on your harddrive that you could use for the live system so that the installer runs properly ?15:49
DiFishI got a 550mb swap15:50
DiFishand a 20gb ext415:50
DiFishI want to belive its something to do with my damn bad nvidia15:51
DiFishmy lxde.log is full of nvidia and noveou erros15:51
DiFish*errors15:51
leszeklxde.log ?15:51
DiFishlxdm.log15:52
DiFishwant to see  it?15:52
leszekyeah its the same as the xorg.log errors. But that show that every module even vesa and fbdev could not be loaded as they are not found. So this has nothing to do with your graphicscard but more with a corrupt install15:53
DiFish:(15:53
DiFishso you sugggest I reinstall from me alternate iso or use the live cd?15:53
leszekI would suggest first testing the livecd and if it runs without big problems try to install15:53
leszekif that fails then reformat the harddrive and try the alternative installation15:54
DiFishkk15:54
DiFishthis is so awkward15:54
DiFishsomeone is suggesting I use the ubuntu iso15:54
DiFish:(15:54
DiFishleszek: kk am going to try the live one first16:01
DiFish:)16:01
DiFishthanks16:02
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David23400if i try lubuntu without installing in boot , it will be more laggy than if i had isntalled ? or its just the same situations?22:34
TheLordOfTimeDavid23400:  it'll generally be a little faster if you install to the hard drive.22:34
TheLordOfTimebut i think that's valid for all Ubuntu derivatives22:34
David23400a bit faster?22:35
holsteinif you hear the cd rom spinning, that wont be happening22:36
David23400What wont happen22:36
holsteinopen something, close it, and reopen it.. if you dont hear the cdrom spinning, that'll be the speed you can expect22:36
holsteinDavid23400: the cdrom will not be the place where everything comes from... the hard drive read speed is much faster22:36
David23400well when i open something the cd rom is like fighting with himself and it takes 20 seconds to open it22:37
holsteinDavid23400: if you want someone to elaborat on what exactly a "bit" is, that cant really happen22:37
David23400do you think with 1.7ghz cpu and 512mb ram , lubuntu will be fast on my laptop?22:37
holsteindepends on too many factors...22:37
David23400so fast that opens everything at time?22:37
holsteinDavid23400: open something, the CD will "fight", the close that something, and reopen that *same* something22:37
TheLordOfTimewhat holstein said22:37
TheLordOfTimeDavid23400:  unlikely22:38
TheLordOfTimeeven if you had top-of-the-line hardware :P22:38
holsteinit should be loaded into ram at that point and givee you a more realistic idea of how the machine will operate22:38
holsteinit = whatever application you opened22:38
David23400so you think that if i install it , it will be fast on this laptop?22:39
holsteinDavid23400: fast is relative, and i dont know what hardware you have22:39
David23400what you need to know22:40
holsteini doubt you will find much faster, other than puppy, and other OS's that you will have to arguable trade something for speed22:40
David23400faster than xp?22:40
holsteinDavid23400: i would expect faster than any windows, but its not fair to compare XP22:40
holsteinwindows is almost always fully suppoted with drivers by the vendors, and xp is over 10 years old22:41
holsteinto compare XP and lubuntu 12.04 would be like comparing a modern OSX with old mac os 922:41
holsteinwill it be as fast as a modern operating system can be? thats my opinion22:42
David23400so i need to download old versions of lubuntu?22:42
holsteinDavid23400: you dont need to do anything.. im just saying, comparing XP from 2002 and lubuntu from 2012 is not fair22:42
holsteinwindows 95 might be blazing fast on your hardware, but that doesnt mean you are going to choose to run it22:43
TheLordOfTimeholstein:  like KDE XD22:43
TheLordOfTimein regards to the "faster than" argument22:43
* TheLordOfTime runs22:43
holstein:)22:43
* TheLordOfTime returns with class-95 shielding, and a cup of vanilla tea.22:44
holsteinlubuntu is nice because you can take advantage of most of the ubuntu pacakges and community work, and have a light-ish system22:44
David23400ok22:45
TheLordOfTimeindeed.  the only reason i use Unity/GNOME is because half the packages i test actually depend on one of those xD22:45
holsteinthere are plenty lighter, but arguably not as easy to use, or as well supoported22:45
TheLordOfTimeholstein:  i'm on bug squad, and bug control, so... i test all my GNOME SRUs and bugfixes xD22:45
holsteinlubuntu is a great choice if you want light and functional, and out of the box easy22:45
TheLordOfTimeindeed22:45
holsteinare there faster? sure22:45
TheLordOfTimethat i will agree with22:45
* TheLordOfTime has tested all the official derivatives22:45
holsteinim lucky to test a few 64bit ubuntustudio ones22:46
TheLordOfTimei'm pretty restrictive, actually, in my testing.  most of the stuff i test is server packages.  this is why i have a testing box :P22:46
TheLordOfTimedev -> testing -> staging -> production :P22:46
David23400thanks guys22:53

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