[00:33] <DarkStar> Need some help with setting up a separate workspace on another monitor,  using arandr i can get the other monitor on, but it spreads the desktop out, what i need is a separate desktop on the additional monitor, and im having major issues
[00:38] <DarkStar> anybody?
[00:40] <kanliot> i had problems with that until i installed catalyst control center for my ATI graphics
[00:40] <DarkStar> I'm using a netbook with onboard intel graphics..
[00:40] <DarkStar> With nvidia on my desktop this is very simple.
[00:40] <kanliot> did you drag the monitors next to each other?
[00:41] <DarkStar> Yea I did, the issue is that when i apply the settings, on the laptop screen I lose my dock, and the lower part of windows. such as the input box on xchat.
[00:42] <kanliot> so lxpanel messes up?
[00:42] <DarkStar> But the dock shows up on the other monitor, when i dont want it, I want my laptop to remain unchanged, and the extra monitor to be just another desktop/workspace.
[00:42] <DarkStar> Even with the lxpanel restart
[00:43] <DarkStar> I lose cairo on the laptop, the lxpanel is ^ above, and i fixed that issue by adding lxpanelctl restart
[00:43] <DarkStar> to the script in arandr
[00:44] <DarkStar> the main issue is that it is scaling the laptop monitor incorrectly, and im stumped on how to fix that issue.
[01:52] <David23400> Hello guys, i'm installing lubuntu on my laptop with 1.7ghz CPU and 512mb RAM , do you think it will be smooth?
[01:59] <kanliot> are you wiping the pc?
[01:59] <kanliot> with 512 you should avoid the manual paritioioner b/c it will crash, or you could use the alt cd
[02:00] <David23400> kanliot
[02:00] <David23400> didnt understand xD
[02:00] <David23400> i'm totaly new
[02:00] <kanliot> yeah
[02:00] <David23400> i dont know anything
[02:00] <kanliot> it's ok
[02:00] <kanliot> i get confused too
[02:01] <kanliot> are you doing dual boot?
[02:01] <David23400> what's dual boot
[02:01] <David23400> i installed with windows isntaller
[02:01] <kanliot> wubi?
[02:01] <David23400> yea
[02:02] <kanliot> i donno never used wubi
[02:03] <kanliot> if you get stuck with wubi you might try #ubuntu
[02:03] <kanliot> thats a different channel
[02:03] <David23400> ok thx
[02:03] <kanliot> I'd rather dual boot
[02:03] <kanliot> makes a lot more sense to me
[02:04] <kanliot> but you gotta start somewhere
[02:04] <kanliot> so keep goin
[02:04] <David23400> ok thanks
[02:04] <kanliot> :)
[02:07] <kanliot> David23400,  there seems to be slower booting with wubi read http://askubuntu.com/questions/8159/wubi-performance-difference
[02:07] <kanliot> other than that you should be fine
[02:07] <kanliot> so don't do any video editing you are good
[08:04] <wallynuts> Hi I'm a noob to linux and I've been playing with lubuntu on and eeepc for a few days, I want to make a simple light weight kernel for my computer.  I under stand the basics of making a kernel but I have a few questions.
[08:06] <silverarrow> hi
[08:07] <smile> hi silverarrow, how are you? :) have you got questions? :)
[08:07] <silverarrow> post the question wallynuts , some clever guy might read it evetually
[08:07] <silverarrow> I`m fine thanks, sort of
[08:07] <smile> :)
[08:08] <silverarrow> I have had trouble with a hp computer that would not boot any of the ubuntus for some odd reason,
[08:08] <wallynuts> if I'm starting with a vanilla kernel do I need any specfic ubuntu/lubuntu patches or do I need to get the source from the ubuntu tree?
[08:08] <bioterror> the benefits of custom kernel is a little faster booting
[08:08] <bioterror> nothing more
[08:08] <bioterror> honestly
[08:08] <silverarrow> I suppose it is worth burning 12.04 and see what happens
[08:09] <silverarrow> do you know if disk utility should work from a live cd?
[08:09] <wallynuts> I need a driver supported in 3.4.X I found a precompiled one but I want to make it my self seems like a good learning experince
[08:10] <silverarrow> I am not that advanced yet
[08:10] <smile> silverarrow: it does work from live cd, but you can't format the live disk then :)
[08:11] <smile> only other connected devices, including your hard disk
[08:11] <silverarrow> thanks, it is the harddisk I worry a bit about
[08:12] <silverarrow> it is a computer that has run way too hot for way to long
[08:12] <silverarrow> it turned out to be clogged fan outlet
[08:12] <silverarrow> majorly
[08:14] <smile> silverarrow: okay :) good luck fixing :)
[08:14] <silverarrow> I have managed to install puppy linux fine, and it runs all right, not sure what the windows issues can be, but recovery partition seems to be damaged some how
[08:14] <silverarrow> lubuntu is a full stable os, perferable
[08:15] <silverarrow> see  you later if I get the same live CD bootup trouble, hoping there might be a way about it
[08:16] <silverarrow> have a fine day
[08:16] <smile> Okay! :)
[08:16] <smile> thanks
[08:16] <smile> bye
[08:25] <wallynuts> wb silverarrow
[08:25] <wallynuts> what is a zen kernel?
[08:41] <smile> wallynuts: a kernel with zen virtualisation built in
[08:41] <smile> :)
[08:42] <smile> I think
[08:42] <smile> :p
[08:42] <smile> not sure
[08:44] <wallynuts> thanks for the info
[08:46] <smile> Zen_(programming), hardcore style of writing programms. <- says wikipedia
[09:08] <silverghost> oioioioioioioi
[09:08] <silverghost> why is lubuntu not a lts release
[09:08] <silverghost> wtf
[09:25] <smile> xD
[12:56] <silverarrow> is there a way to check what kind of graphic card I have ?
[12:56] <bioterror> lspci |grep VGA
[13:14] <vit_o> hi everybody!
[13:14] <bioterror> hi vit_o
[13:14] <vit_o> how can I have my default bottom panel back?
[13:15] <vit_o> it disappears when I tried to a new one
[13:16] <silverarrow> hi vit_o
[13:16] <silverarrow> hmm, yes there is a command to reset the bottom panel
[13:19] <vit_o> I tried: lxpanelctl restart or  killall lxpanel && lxpanel --profile Lubuntu as specified in the documentation but nothing changed
[13:20] <silverarrow> hmm,
[13:21] <silverarrow> I`ve had that too, but along time ago,
[13:23] <silverarrow> bioterror:  is wizz with these things
[13:23] <DiFish> hi!
[13:23] <DiFish> I installed lubuntu
[13:23] <silverarrow> hi
[13:24] <DiFish> but everytime I boot up
[13:24] <DiFish> it just stays where it says *Starting Bluetooth      [OK]
[13:24] <DiFish> ^
[13:24] <vit_o> so, any idea? xD
[13:24] <silverarrow> vit_o:  wait for the clever guys, lol
[13:24] <DiFish> if I press ctrl+alt+del then it responds and stop everything as usual and issue a reboot
[13:25] <vit_o> ahahahaha ok :)
[13:25] <silverarrow> you often get quick replies on the ubuntu forum though vit_o
[13:25] <silverarrow> DiFish: you might have to do a command at bootup
[13:25] <DiFish> yes, I was looking for that
[13:26] <DiFish> so what command?
[13:26] <silverarrow> if it is a but there is a good chance it is fixed, but need to do updates
[13:30] <silverarrow> DiFish: there might be a blacklist command, but I cannot find it
[13:30] <DiFish> awww
[13:30]  * DiFish is heart broken
[13:30] <silverarrow> a bug*  I mean
[13:30] <silverarrow> no don`t be
[13:30] <DiFish> 0.0
[13:30] <DiFish> please tell me I don't have to download a new iso
[13:30] <DiFish> I am on limited bandwidth
[13:30] <DiFish> :(
[13:30] <silverarrow> a solution will appear any minute ;-)
[13:31] <silverarrow> you did md5 sum check? and burn at lowest speed?
[13:31] <DiFish> no I burned into a usb and installed, all went fine
[13:31] <DiFish> works in another pc but not in this one
[13:31] <silverarrow> it is most likely fine then
[13:33] <silverarrow> I still suggest post on the ubuntu forum
[13:33] <DiFish> 0.0
[13:34] <silverarrow> however, you might have to do a reinstall, did you manage to boot at all after install?
[13:35] <DiFish> other pc aka laptop does boot
[13:35] <DiFish> but not this one
[13:35] <silverarrow> you managed to boot in live CD?
[13:35] <silverarrow> or live usb
[13:36] <DiFish> no no, its not live cd, its alternate install
[13:36] <silverarrow> I see
[13:36] <DiFish> I installed lubuntu into hdd
[13:36] <DiFish> ^
[13:37] <silverarrow> you might try burning a live cd then, there are sometimes different configs there
[13:37] <silverarrow> but only if it is easy,
[13:37] <DiFish> ?
[13:38] <silverarrow> what model and make is your computer?
[13:38] <DiFish> umm its much safer if done using usb as cds get naughty with burning speed and stuff which the usb ones doesn't involve
[13:38] <DiFish> its a x86 AMD 1.6GHz with 256MB ram
[13:38] <silverarrow> I see,
[13:38] <DiFish> I can boot fine using the live cd
[13:39] <silverarrow> low RAM for a fairly fast cpu?
[13:39] <DiFish> well I can't find ddr 1 rams these days
[13:39] <silverarrow> oh you can, on ebay
[13:40] <silverarrow> but not that important in lubuntu I think
[13:40] <DiFish> ...
[13:40] <silverarrow> just as long as swap is fine
[13:40] <DiFish> got 512mb swap
[13:40] <DiFish> I just need to boot it up
[13:41] <DiFish> gets to go as far as *Starting Bluetooth       [OK]
[13:41] <DiFish> and just sit there
[13:41] <silverarrow> yes, something haults...
[13:41] <silverarrow> hmm
[13:41] <DiFish> but the system does respond if I issue ctrl+alt+del
[13:41] <DiFish> no error or anything is issued
[13:41] <DiFish> just sits there
[13:44] <silverarrow> I would do a new install, format harddrive, and all over again
[13:44] <DiFish> omg!
[13:44] <DiFish> I got me files and windowZ
[13:45] <silverarrow> well, on the lubuntu partition
[13:45] <DiFish> but....but...
[13:45] <DiFish> :(
[13:45] <silverarrow> hmm
[13:46] <DiFish> installation went fine, I got to the part where it said all went fine, remove installation media so it boots to installed system rather than the installation part
[13:46] <DiFish> ^
[13:46] <DiFish> wouldn't the installation half if something went wrong?
[13:47] <silverarrow> yes, it should work really, or at least be  managable somehow
[13:48] <silverarrow> for the time being, do some ideling here and post you question if you see someone enter
[13:49] <DiFish> kk
[13:49] <DiFish> thanks for your help :)
[13:50] <silverarrow> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1GB-2-X-512MB-pc2700-sodimm-ddr333-200pin-Laptop-memory-so-dimm-200-pin-ram-DDR1-/280866208743?pt=UK_Computing_ComputerComponents_MemoryRAM_JN&hash=item4164ee3be7
[13:51] <silverarrow> I even might have two of those, it it is the right kind
[13:51] <silverarrow> if it is*
[13:51] <DiFish> erm no
[13:51] <DiFish> i got a pc with old motherboard and ddr1 256mb ram
[13:51] <DiFish> ^
[13:51] <silverarrow> 200 pin?
[13:52] <DiFish> despite the intention I have a credit card that is inter country only
[13:52] <DiFish> dunno
[13:53] <DiFish> :(
[13:54] <silverarrow> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1gb-kit-Samsung-PC2700-DDR1-333Mhz-Laptop-Memory-Sodimm-Notebook-Ram-/320940842573?pt=UK_Computing_ComputerComponents_MemoryRAM_JN&hash=item4ab9909e4d
[13:54] <silverarrow> anyhow, if mine are compatible, they would not cost anything
[13:54] <DiFish> erm could we just address the route instead of getting distracted
[13:54] <DiFish> as I said the live cd boots fine
[13:54] <DiFish> so I don't need more ram
[13:54] <DiFish> :)
[13:56] <silverarrow> true, swap takes care of it
[13:56] <DiFish> then I was erm live cd bootup doesn't get swap
[13:57] <silverarrow> true, unless there was a swap partition already there
[13:57] <DiFish> only windows there
[13:57] <silverarrow> live cds tend to grab whatever they find
[13:57] <silverarrow> i see
[13:57] <DiFish> I installed it this afternoon
[13:57] <silverarrow> very slow?
[13:58] <silverarrow> anyhow, hang in there, help will come
[13:58] <silverarrow> there old comptuers usually perform well when finally set up
[13:59] <silverarrow> these* sorry for the typos
[13:59] <silverarrow> I will leave you for now, back later
[14:00] <silverarrow> I`m sure the solution is rather simple when you get it
[14:00] <silverarrow> and think about the forum,
[14:00] <silverarrow> lots of activity there
[14:11] <DiFish> zleap: hi!
[14:44] <leszek> hi
[15:07] <DiFish> hello again!
[15:07] <DiFish> so I tried the recovery mode bootup
[15:07] <DiFish> dropped into root shell
[15:07] <DiFish> tried #startx
[15:08] <DiFish> it ended with somekind of nvidia error with a lot of novue nvid etc
[15:09] <leszek> DiFish: please paste the contents of /var/log/Xorg.0.log for Xorg errors. (use a nopaste service for this)
[15:09] <DiFish> err how?
[15:09] <DiFish> I am a simpleton
[15:10] <DiFish> :)
[15:10] <DiFish> I am in windows now
[15:10] <DiFish> duel boot
[15:10] <DiFish> erm is there a way I can access that from windows?
[15:17] <Kreacher> you will have to boot to linux, and copy the file to your windows partition, boot back to windows then paste the file from there
[15:17] <DiFish> kk
[15:17] <DiFish> wait
[15:32] <AndreeeCZ> hi. How do i access samba files via pcmanfm?
[15:32] <AndreeeCZ> thanks :)
[15:37] <leszek> AndreeeCZ: smb://<ip-of-windows-pc>
[15:37] <AndreeeCZ> leszek, i wanted to share between two linux boxes
[15:38] <David23400> I've installed lubuntu on my 1.7GHZ CPU 512MB RAM PC and its SLOOOOOOOOOOOOW , what i do?? ( is it because i've installed it with windows installer?)
[15:38] <leszek> AndreeeCZ: then <ip-of-linux-pc>
[15:38] <leszek> :P
[15:38] <AndreeeCZ> leszek, and how do i share something?
[15:39] <leszek> AndreeeCZ: you need to install the samba-server for this, if you really want to use samba. If you only share between two linux pcs I would recommend ssh
[15:39] <DiFish> my xorg.0.log
[15:39] <DiFish> http://pastebin.com/X9ekeKnc
[15:39] <leszek> David23400: if you used wubi on windows install lubuntu that could be really a problem
[15:40] <David23400> this is the reason to be laggy and not smooth?
[15:40] <David23400> when i click on chromium it takes 30-40 seconds to open
[15:40] <AndreeeCZ> leszek, just linux-linux connection
[15:40] <AndreeeCZ> leszek, whats the most simple way?
[15:41] <leszek> DiFish: there is something wrong with your installation it does not find any modules it needs for xorg
[15:41] <DiFish> :(
[15:41] <DiFish> its a fresh install from alternate install iso
[15:42] <leszek> AndreeeCZ: install openssh-server it should then start automatically and you can access the files and folders from your linux box with sftp://username@remote-linuxpc-ip-adress
[15:43] <leszek> DiFish: it can't load nvidia and it does not load even the vesa driver, because it can't find it. So there is definitely something wrong with your xserver-xorg installation
[15:43] <DiFish> so what is my solution here?
[15:44] <DiFish> reinstall?
[15:44] <DiFish> throw away my nvidia card?
[15:44] <DiFish> change something?
[15:46] <leszek> DiFish: if you have the capacity please try a Lubuntu Live CD first
[15:47] <leszek> if it runs well install from there
[15:47] <DiFish> I tried the lubuntu 12.04
[15:47] <DiFish> but it was a bit laggy when I started chrome as I have 256m ram
[15:48] <DiFish> so I installed lubuntu 11.10 instead
[15:48] <DiFish> I mean lubuntu 12.04 live
[15:48] <leszek> thats no real solution if 11.10 does not work for you :P
[15:48] <DiFish> awww
[15:48] <leszek> Either user 12.04 and try to tweak it a little bit to get more speed or upgrade your RAM :P
[15:49] <DiFish> oh I tried to install lubuntu 12.04 from live but it crashes after that copyinfg file spart
[15:49] <leszek> Or of course you could also start using a window manager only instead of an desktop environment
[15:49] <DiFish> that is the installer just plainly disappears after copying files
[15:49] <DiFish> or sometimes it goes dark and only have the busy mouse cursor
[15:49] <leszek> DiFish: do you have swap space on your harddrive that you could use for the live system so that the installer runs properly ?
[15:50] <DiFish> I got a 550mb swap
[15:50] <DiFish> and a 20gb ext4
[15:51] <DiFish> I want to belive its something to do with my damn bad nvidia
[15:51] <DiFish> my lxde.log is full of nvidia and noveou erros
[15:51] <DiFish> *errors
[15:51] <leszek> lxde.log ?
[15:52] <DiFish> lxdm.log
[15:52] <DiFish> want to see  it?
[15:53] <leszek> yeah its the same as the xorg.log errors. But that show that every module even vesa and fbdev could not be loaded as they are not found. So this has nothing to do with your graphicscard but more with a corrupt install
[15:53] <DiFish> :(
[15:53] <DiFish> so you sugggest I reinstall from me alternate iso or use the live cd?
[15:53] <leszek> I would suggest first testing the livecd and if it runs without big problems try to install
[15:54] <leszek> if that fails then reformat the harddrive and try the alternative installation
[15:54] <DiFish> kk
[15:54] <DiFish> this is so awkward
[15:54] <DiFish> someone is suggesting I use the ubuntu iso
[15:54] <DiFish> :(
[16:01] <DiFish> leszek: kk am going to try the live one first
[16:01] <DiFish> :)
[16:02] <DiFish> thanks
[22:34] <David23400> if i try lubuntu without installing in boot , it will be more laggy than if i had isntalled ? or its just the same situations?
[22:34] <TheLordOfTime> David23400:  it'll generally be a little faster if you install to the hard drive.
[22:34] <TheLordOfTime> but i think that's valid for all Ubuntu derivatives
[22:35] <David23400> a bit faster?
[22:36] <holstein> if you hear the cd rom spinning, that wont be happening
[22:36] <David23400> What wont happen
[22:36] <holstein> open something, close it, and reopen it.. if you dont hear the cdrom spinning, that'll be the speed you can expect
[22:36] <holstein> David23400: the cdrom will not be the place where everything comes from... the hard drive read speed is much faster
[22:37] <David23400> well when i open something the cd rom is like fighting with himself and it takes 20 seconds to open it
[22:37] <holstein> David23400: if you want someone to elaborat on what exactly a "bit" is, that cant really happen
[22:37] <David23400> do you think with 1.7ghz cpu and 512mb ram , lubuntu will be fast on my laptop?
[22:37] <holstein> depends on too many factors...
[22:37] <David23400> so fast that opens everything at time?
[22:37] <holstein> David23400: open something, the CD will "fight", the close that something, and reopen that *same* something
[22:37] <TheLordOfTime> what holstein said
[22:38] <TheLordOfTime> David23400:  unlikely
[22:38] <TheLordOfTime> even if you had top-of-the-line hardware :P
[22:38] <holstein> it should be loaded into ram at that point and givee you a more realistic idea of how the machine will operate
[22:38] <holstein> it = whatever application you opened
[22:39] <David23400> so you think that if i install it , it will be fast on this laptop?
[22:39] <holstein> David23400: fast is relative, and i dont know what hardware you have
[22:40] <David23400> what you need to know
[22:40] <holstein> i doubt you will find much faster, other than puppy, and other OS's that you will have to arguable trade something for speed
[22:40] <David23400> faster than xp?
[22:40] <holstein> David23400: i would expect faster than any windows, but its not fair to compare XP
[22:41] <holstein> windows is almost always fully suppoted with drivers by the vendors, and xp is over 10 years old
[22:41] <holstein> to compare XP and lubuntu 12.04 would be like comparing a modern OSX with old mac os 9
[22:42] <holstein> will it be as fast as a modern operating system can be? thats my opinion
[22:42] <David23400> so i need to download old versions of lubuntu?
[22:42] <holstein> David23400: you dont need to do anything.. im just saying, comparing XP from 2002 and lubuntu from 2012 is not fair
[22:43] <holstein> windows 95 might be blazing fast on your hardware, but that doesnt mean you are going to choose to run it
[22:43] <TheLordOfTime> holstein:  like KDE XD
[22:43] <TheLordOfTime> in regards to the "faster than" argument
[22:43]  * TheLordOfTime runs
[22:43] <holstein> :)
[22:44]  * TheLordOfTime returns with class-95 shielding, and a cup of vanilla tea.
[22:44] <holstein> lubuntu is nice because you can take advantage of most of the ubuntu pacakges and community work, and have a light-ish system
[22:45] <David23400> ok
[22:45] <TheLordOfTime> indeed.  the only reason i use Unity/GNOME is because half the packages i test actually depend on one of those xD
[22:45] <holstein> there are plenty lighter, but arguably not as easy to use, or as well supoported
[22:45] <TheLordOfTime> holstein:  i'm on bug squad, and bug control, so... i test all my GNOME SRUs and bugfixes xD
[22:45] <holstein> lubuntu is a great choice if you want light and functional, and out of the box easy
[22:45] <TheLordOfTime> indeed
[22:45] <holstein> are there faster? sure
[22:45] <TheLordOfTime> that i will agree with
[22:45]  * TheLordOfTime has tested all the official derivatives
[22:46] <holstein> im lucky to test a few 64bit ubuntustudio ones
[22:46] <TheLordOfTime> i'm pretty restrictive, actually, in my testing.  most of the stuff i test is server packages.  this is why i have a testing box :P
[22:46] <TheLordOfTime> dev -> testing -> staging -> production :P
[22:53] <David23400> thanks guys