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pedro_ | hi | 12:44 |
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mapreri | hi pedro_ :) | 12:51 |
pedro_ | hello roadmr :-) | 13:04 |
roadmr | pedro_: hey! how's it going? | 13:04 |
pedro_ | roadmr: good and yourself? | 13:06 |
roadmr | pedro_: pretty good, thanks :) | 13:06 |
smartboyhw | Hi, I want to join the Bug Triage Team, any help? | 13:56 |
smartboyhw | Please, anyone here? | 13:57 |
smartboyhw | God sake, anyone here to help me? | 13:59 |
Pici | Patience... | 14:02 |
smartboyhw | OK, that's weird, so many people in here... | 14:03 |
smartboyhw | Anyone can approve my "Ubuntu BugSquad" application in Launchpad? | 14:04 |
smartboyhw | #1033516 confirmed... | 14:26 |
LoT | smartboyhw: your bugsquad application will take a while :P | 14:27 |
LoT | i.e. nobody checks often | 14:27 |
* LoT will poke someone though | 14:27 | |
LoT | ... eventually | 14:27 |
LoT | sometime after i've had my fifth cup of coffee :P | 14:27 |
LoT | ... or the sixth... :P | 14:27 |
smartboyhw | ... | 14:27 |
LoT | (i got no sleep last night, caffeine and coffee is the fuel of the ages. :P) | 14:28 |
smartboyhw | Ha, let's talk back in #ubuntuforums before the guys start to kill us | 14:28 |
LoT | :P | 14:30 |
LoT | actually i'm waiting for hggdh to randomly appear :P | 14:30 |
LoT | there's a topic i've been trying to rectify regarding bug documentation, and hggdh is one of the major players in that discussion :P | 14:31 |
LoT | smartboyhw: also, if you confirm a bug, you can comment that it affects you, and set it to Confirmed. | 14:31 |
smartboyhw | I did. | 14:31 |
LoT | last i checked, bugcontrol doesnt need to set that | 14:31 |
LoT | :) | 14:31 |
LoT | ... unless launchpad itself has a regression in its code :P | 14:31 |
smartboyhw | Look at Bug #1033516. | 14:32 |
ubot2 | Launchpad bug 1033516 in glib-networking "libsoup fails to validate certain Verisign certificates" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1033516 | 14:32 |
* hggdh randomly pops in | 14:32 | |
LoT | its hggdh! | 14:32 |
hggdh | :-) | 14:32 |
LoT | hggdh: did you check your emails where you get bugsquad stuffs? | 14:32 |
smartboyhw | :-) | 14:32 |
* hggdh goes look | 14:33 | |
smartboyhw | I do the Quantal bug checks. | 14:33 |
LoT | regarding that whole core vs. noncore thing | 14:33 |
smartboyhw | I like new releases. | 14:33 |
LoT | apparently, when you're me, and you nag people into oblivion on an email chain, things get done...? | 14:33 |
LoT | not entirely sure how that's even valid logic, but... | 14:33 |
LoT | hggdh: also, there's more applicants to bugsquad :P | 14:34 |
hggdh | ah, the core vs. non-core. | 14:34 |
hggdh | ah blast | 14:34 |
* hggdh goes look at applicaitons | 14:34 | |
smartboyhw | hggdh, I applied | 14:34 |
hggdh | smartboyhw: checking on them now | 14:35 |
smartboyhw | When's the next Bug Squad meeting/ | 14:35 |
LoT | hggdh: yes, the core vs. noncore | 14:35 |
LoT | smartboyhw: whenever we organize one | 14:35 |
LoT | apparently we dont meet very often... :P | 14:35 |
LoT | next thing i see is that hug day | 14:35 |
smartboyhw | Wow, that's random | 14:35 |
LoT | unless my system is once again not showing things right | 14:36 |
* LoT goes and beats Windows into submission | 14:36 | |
LoT | ... anyways... | 14:36 |
hggdh | smartboyhw: welcome in :-) | 14:36 |
smartboyhw | THanks. | 14:37 |
hggdh | LoT: the Debian priority is not related to how important a package is to the users (like empathy), but how important it is to the system | 14:37 |
smartboyhw | THat's weird for the meetings. We QA guys meet every week. | 14:37 |
LoT | hggdh: indeed. unfortunately, i cant respond to things atm :P | 14:37 |
* LoT is working | 14:37 | |
LoT | EVIL SERVERS! STOP DYING! </annoyed> | 14:38 |
hggdh | LoT: don't worry, just posting ramdomly ;-) | 14:38 |
smartboyhw | You guys better host another meeting. | 14:38 |
LoT | you should subscribe to the mailing list | 14:38 |
LoT | :P | 14:38 |
hggdh | LoT: so, if a package is prio=required, and you remove it, you can expect your system to misbehave | 14:38 |
LoT | hggdh: indeed. | 14:38 |
smartboyhw | I did subscribe. | 14:39 |
LoT | hggdh: i wasnt certain, i still agree with Brian on this, though, go see my blog, you'll see my opinions are in agreement http://lordoftime.info/?p=19 | 14:39 |
hggdh | the tasks check comes from a different perspective: if it is set in a task (selector) option, it is probably considered important enough | 14:40 |
LoT | indeed. | 14:40 |
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hggdh | another nice check is it has to be in main -- an universe package is certainly non-core | 14:41 |
LoT | indeed. | 14:42 |
LoT | hggdh: i'd like for you to put that on the mailing list :P | 14:42 |
LoT | all your opinions here are valid | 14:42 |
LoT | and not all of bugsquad uses IRC actively | 14:42 |
* hggdh grumbles | 14:42 | |
LoT | (I know I do, but...) | 14:42 |
hggdh | ah, OK, I will do it :-) | 14:42 |
LoT | that, and putty + irssi == evil | 14:42 |
* hggdh suggests weechat | 14:42 | |
LoT | you know what, screw linked in | 14:43 |
LoT | they spam me like insanity | 14:43 |
smartboyhw | Waiting for new bugs to triage. | 14:43 |
LoT | smartboyhw: sometimes you just need to wait | 14:43 |
LoT | but triaging isnt the only thing bugsquad does | 14:43 |
LoT | ;P | 14:43 |
LoT | we also try to put bugs against the actual packages | 14:43 |
hggdh | smartboyhw: heh, you do not need to wait, just search for New/Incomplete bugs, you will get your hands full | 14:43 |
smartboyhw | I don't like reporting | 14:44 |
LoT | would you believe there's TONS of bugs qhich get filed against Ubuntu but not packages specifically? | 14:44 |
smartboyhw | yeah, I only like Quantal bugs. | 14:44 |
LoT | half my job is repointing those. | 14:44 |
hggdh | smartboyhw: there is also #ubuntu-bugs-announce monitoring newly arrived bugs | 14:44 |
smartboyhw | i | 14:44 |
smartboyhw | am there. | 14:44 |
LoT | a quarter of my job is to gripe to upstream about broken things. | 14:44 |
LoT | and the rest is focused on nginx, display-dhammapada, and stackapplet. | 14:44 |
smartboyhw | Hey, LoT, don't talk about your job. | 14:44 |
hggdh | indeed you are... | 14:44 |
LoT | smartboyhw: that's my bugsquad duties. | 14:45 |
LoT | my real job is ITSecurity | 14:45 |
smartboyhw | ... | 14:45 |
LoT | so don't go around hacking. i'll know about it. >:) | 14:45 |
smartboyhw | Yeah, I do testing and QA mainly. Bugsquad will only be side job. | 14:45 |
* LoT notices there's six reports for analysis, goes to do that. | 14:45 | |
smartboyhw | Anyway, what happened to the Beginners team? They sound dead. | 14:45 |
LoT | that'd be... bodhi's team, right? | 14:45 |
smartboyhw | Yep, it's dead. | 14:46 |
LoT | i suggest you ask him. | 14:46 |
* LoT points everyone to #ubuntu :P | 14:46 | |
smartboyhw | Anyone know if he's online? | 14:46 |
LoT | he'll be online later, he is in #ubuntuforums usually | 14:46 |
LoT | even though he stepped down from the forums council and forums staff | 14:46 |
smartboyhw | Don't see him there. | 14:47 |
LoT | hggdh: does nobody read my posts? | 14:47 |
LoT | i think i said "he'll be online later", didnt i? | 14:47 |
LoT | bah, whatever | 14:47 |
* LoT returns to the reports | 14:47 | |
hggdh | LoT: I do not know about others; I read it | 14:47 |
smartboyhw | ... | 14:47 |
LoT | hggdh: indeed. +20 to you. | 14:48 |
hggdh | and I am not thinking out an answer (to bugsquad ;-) | 14:48 |
LoT | lol | 14:48 |
smartboyhw | I spend 1 hour and 15 minutes signing the Code of Counduct. | 14:48 |
hggdh | s/am not/am/ | 14:48 |
smartboyhw | YOu guys should simplify the process. | 14:48 |
hggdh | smartboyhw: what process? | 14:48 |
smartboyhw | The signing process for Code of Conduct. | 14:49 |
LoT | why woulod you spend an hour. | 14:51 |
smartboyhw | hggdh: Why is the #1 bug still in progress? I thought it should be deleted. Don't worry about Windows. Worry about Mac OS X. | 14:51 |
smartboyhw | LoT: I have to get the PGP keys to keyserver. | 14:52 |
LoT | smartboyhw: that only takes about 15 minutes? | 14:52 |
LoT | if you upload to the main keyserver, it'll work | 14:52 |
LoT | and it'll take < 15 minutes | 14:52 |
LoT | heck, under 5 mins if you're lucky | 14:52 |
hggdh | smartboyhw: mostly because it is historical (and comments are now blocked there) | 14:52 |
smartboyhw | I waited for an hour. It says uploading to main server takes /60 minutes. | 14:52 |
LoT | smartboyhw: it doesnt :P | 14:53 |
LoT | unless you're on a satellite connection | 14:53 |
LoT | :P | 14:53 |
hggdh | well, it has been a long time I have not uploaded new SSH keys, but it was a fast (or not slow) process | 14:54 |
LoT | heh | 14:55 |
LoT | hggdh: i included your ideas in an email response. | 14:55 |
hggdh | LoT: so I do not have to type them? | 14:56 |
* hggdh is quite slow today | 14:56 | |
LoT | no, but check the response. | 14:56 |
LoT | :P | 14:56 |
hggdh | heh | 14:56 |
LoT | hggdh: i'm on my fifth cup of coffee. I AM FREAKING WIRED!!!!!!!! | 14:56 |
hggdh | I only drink decaf, on the dumb hope that I will not get even more insomnia | 14:57 |
LoT | heh | 14:57 |
LoT | well i got no sleep yesterday | 14:57 |
LoT | so the intake of massive quantities of caffeine to stay awake and energized is not uncommon with me on those days. | 14:58 |
hggdh | there is also the additional strain on the cardiac muscles, and hypertension ... | 14:59 |
smartboyhw | New bug on Chrome. | 14:59 |
LoT | hggdh: hggdh actually, i have naturally-low blood pressure and pulse. i'm required to have at least two coffees a day to keep that in the normal range. | 15:00 |
LoT | either that, or i have to take stimulant pills | 15:00 |
LoT | i'd rather have the coffee :P | 15:00 |
hggdh | lucky bastard... | 15:01 |
LoT | :P | 15:01 |
LoT | actually, that's partially due to my first year at University | 15:01 |
LoT | my body just adapted to having 4-coffees-a-day in the bloodstream | 15:01 |
LoT | so now i actually *require* at least 2 a day | 15:02 |
LoT | to stay in the normal range | 15:02 |
hggdh | heh | 15:02 |
smartboyhw | ... | 15:02 |
hggdh | LoT: yes, godd summary | 15:02 |
hggdh | (on the ML) | 15:02 |
LoT | indeed. | 15:03 |
LoT | and of course, my opinions are able to be voiced on my blog, as long as I quote sources and what not. last i checked the bugsquad ML is publicly archived, yes? | 15:03 |
smartboyhw | hggdh: How many bugs do you need to triage/report to get to the next level of team membership in Bugsquad? | 15:05 |
LoT | smartboyhw: there is no "next level" of membership | 15:06 |
LoT | if you mean bugcontrol, read their wiki page | 15:06 |
LoT | BugControl's not necessarily part of Bug Squad, but is related | 15:06 |
smartboyhw | Er, why can't I set importance? | 15:07 |
LoT | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugControl <-- | 15:08 |
LoT | importance is bugcontorl only | 15:08 |
LoT | which bug, and what importance do you think it is? | 15:08 |
LoT | and why. | 15:08 |
LoT | :P | 15:08 |
smartboyhw | OK | 15:08 |
LoT | .Setting the importance of bugs reports. (Bug Control members Only) | 15:08 |
LoT | (from the bugsquad wiki) | 15:08 |
smartboyhw | Wow, that means I have to wait tilll I triaged 5 bugs. | 15:09 |
LoT | no | 15:10 |
LoT | it means that you can have someone in bugcontrol set the importance | 15:10 |
smartboyhw | Oh, that's why. | 15:10 |
LoT | i got bugcontrol for working on nginx packages, and upstreaming them. i very rarely use that power, but when i do its typically only to set something as a wishlist bug... | 15:11 |
LoT | or to triage an nginx package. | 15:11 |
LoT | s/package/bug/ | 15:11 |
LoT | that, and sometimes to set importance on other bugs | 15:11 |
LoT | so as i said | 15:11 |
LoT | which bug, what importance, and why? | 15:11 |
LoT | smartboyhw: read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Importance | 15:11 |
LoT | and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Status | 15:11 |
LoT | and all the other bug squad docs. | 15:12 |
LoT | also note there are some special workflow bugs | 15:12 |
LoT | and we dont touch those | 15:12 |
smartboyhw | OK. | 15:12 |
LoT | and again, if you'd like to have an importance set, please let this channel know of the bug number, the importance you want, and your reasoning | 15:12 |
LoT | then someone on bugcontrol will decide if that's valid | 15:13 |
LoT | and if it is, will set it | 15:13 |
LoT | probably hggdh since i'm analyzing a packet trace log. | 15:13 |
LoT | which is filled with crap :/ | 15:14 |
smartboyhw | Bug #1033532, High due to Chrome is a very popular browser and loading webpages is a big thing. | 15:14 |
ubot2 | Launchpad bug 1033532 in chromium-browser "Won't load pages. Sits "waiting for example.com"" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1033532 | 15:14 |
LoT | smartboyhw: use the Importance page i linked to you | 15:14 |
LoT | and then rethink your reasoning | 15:14 |
LoT | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Importance is the absolute guide to how we handle importance, except in special packages | 15:14 |
LoT | which chromium is not | 15:14 |
smartboyhw | Still high. | 15:15 |
smartboyhw | Chromium is a core one, I think. | 15:15 |
LoT | and did you actually test and confirm this? | 15:15 |
smartboyhw | Yep. | 15:15 |
* LoT uses Brian's methodology of checking for core | 15:15 | |
smartboyhw | I change it to confirm. | 15:15 |
LoT | can you comment that you checked it and confirmed? | 15:15 |
LoT | rather than just change it to confirmed? | 15:15 |
LoT | we like to see comments saying yuo checked and confrimed it | 15:16 |
smartboyhw | Yes, why are you bothering me with that!?!?!? | 15:16 |
LoT | and what steps you did to reporoduce if any | 15:16 |
* LoT has that right to bug you about it | 15:16 | |
smartboyhw | Bug me? | 15:16 |
* LoT yawns | 15:16 | |
LoT | damn you putty work faster! | 15:16 |
smartboyhw | I need to go. Bye! | 15:16 |
LoT | hggdh: we're assuming that if its part of an official derivative's task that its core, right? | 15:17 |
LoT | at least with Brian's logic. | 15:17 |
LoT | hggdh: also, /query when you're not busy | 15:18 |
LoT | jbicha: greetings. :) | 15:19 |
* LoT yawns/w 7 | 15:24 | |
LoT | whoops | 15:24 |
hggdh | LoT: it is core for this specific derivative | 15:33 |
LoT | hggdh: cool, so it'd be a "High" bug i take it. | 15:42 |
* LoT is back after having to consult with someone on a report. | 15:42 | |
pedro_ | does anybody knows who is looking after rt@ubuntu.com ? | 16:03 |
LoT | probably one of the admins | 16:03 |
LoT | why | 16:03 |
LoT | it probably goes to the ticketing systme | 16:03 |
pedro_ | right, i know that | 16:04 |
LoT | (that looks like a ticketing-based email) | 16:04 |
LoT | again, why do you ask, pedro_? | 16:04 |
pedro_ | I'd like to know if i can contact one of those admins trough IRC | 16:04 |
LoT | not sure you can, lemme ask someone whi might know | 16:05 |
* LoT grabs the Stick of Poking and goes to poke his contacts | 16:05 | |
pedro_ | jpds_: do you know anything about that ? ^ | 16:09 |
LoT | pedro_: i just poked my contact who is a Canonical admin, perhaps they'd know. they're out at lunch, and i'm heading for lunch shortly :P | 16:09 |
pedro_ | lunch? who needs that. | 16:09 |
Pici | pedro_: #canonical-sysadmin is where they live. | 16:15 |
LoT | pedro_: someone who hasnt eaten breakfast needs lunch | 16:16 |
pedro_ | thanks Pici | 16:16 |
* LoT has only had coffee for breakfast today | 16:16 | |
pedro_ | :-P | 16:16 |
LoT | and a LOT of coffee, thereof. | 16:16 |
pedro_ | 45 minutes to lunch here :-) | 16:16 |
* pedro_ starving | 16:16 | |
hggdh | food is overrated | 16:16 |
pedro_ | hahaha | 16:17 |
* LoT installs MustEatFood mod onto hggdh, then restricts hggdh to taking in only water. | 16:21 | |
LoT | anyways, hggdh i think the bugsquad docs should hold a new page off of Bugs which defines Core and non-core, depending on the response from a couple of others, I strongly believe that Brian's method should be adopted to determine if something's in core. Opinions? | 16:22 |
LoT | wow... runon sentence :/ | 16:23 |
* LoT should fix that | 16:23 | |
hggdh | LoT: we can. But the definition of core/non-core actually does not belong to bugsquad, I think. The bugsquad just inherits it | 16:25 |
LoT | hggdh: it doesnt appear to be defined elsewhere, where's it defined on the wiki, then? | 16:26 |
hggdh | hehe, I di dnot state it was defined elsewhere. But, IMHO, it should be on one of the devel pages (and may be, BTW) | 16:27 |
LoT | afaik, its only used in the Importance docs | 16:29 |
LoT | back during UDS, micah agreed that it needs defining, as have you. | 16:29 |
LoT | hggdh: would #ubuntu-devel know the difference, or how to determine? | 16:30 |
hggdh | most certainly | 16:30 |
LoT | hggdh: i'm in there now, feel free to elaborate, though on my question if you wish. | 16:32 |
LoT | i'm about ready to head out to lunch. | 16:32 |
LoT | micahg: any idea whre "core" and "non-core" came from? | 16:33 |
micahg | nope, that might help clarify | 16:33 |
LoT | you and i spoke about it briefly during UDS (on IRC) and we weren't even sure where that came from. | 16:33 |
LoT | not sure if you've been following the email chain recently, i dug it up | 16:33 |
LoT | Brian suggested if its got a task for one of the official derivatives assigned to that package it could be considered Core, both hggdh and I agreed with that | 16:34 |
LoT | but we're not sure where that determination actually *came* from, so... | 16:34 |
micahg | hrm, maybe that's not true...http://people.canonical.com/~stgraber/package_sets/quantal/core | 16:34 |
LoT | hmm... maybe we should ask stgraber on this one? | 16:35 |
micahg | core is the set of packages that affects multiple package sets AIUI | 16:35 |
LoT | hmm | 16:35 |
* micahg looks for a better definition | 16:35 | |
LoT | but its really been a hinge-point for defining the differences between, say, low or medium, for example. | 16:36 |
LoT | this is really the only bugs-related thing i've found that actually uses "core" or "non-core": https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Importance | 16:37 |
LoT | and that's an important document | 16:37 |
LoT | micahg: based on cjwatson's response in -devel, how do we want to determine this? Brian suggested a pretty goodl solution, use the tasks for a package as the defining point for core or non-core. He sent that idea out earlier in July, on the 12th, on the email chain. | 16:44 |
LoT | and if he didn't CC the ML, i did. | 16:44 |
micahg | LoT: so, you'll need someone with history like bdmurray for that, but I think the new definition works fine | 16:45 |
LoT | micahg: "Brian" is bdmurray :P | 16:45 |
micahg | sorry, was referring to your history statement | 16:46 |
LoT | at least in this context. | 16:46 |
LoT | indeed. | 16:46 |
LoT | i think i'll discuss this again with him, have him make the final determination, but this definition is something that we pretty much unanimously agree needs defining. | 16:47 |
LoT | how is this a firefox bug? its a network-manager one, according to their description. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/1033579 | 17:32 |
ubot2 | Ubuntu bug 1033579 in firefox "network manager doesnt auto connect to mobile broadband" [Undecided,New] | 17:32 |
* LoT is about to invalid that, and point it against network-manager | 17:33 | |
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jhansonxi | I've been finding dupes with a particular NM bug. I posted them to bug #1011073 but the OR says that bug doesn't match up. A dev with NM expertise should take a look: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/1011073/comments/15 | 21:36 |
ubot2 | Launchpad bug 1011073 in network-manager "NetworkManager submenus sometimes unpopulated" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1011073 | 21:36 |
ubot2 | Ubuntu bug 1011073 in network-manager "NetworkManager submenus sometimes unpopulated" [Medium,Incomplete] | 21:36 |
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