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pedro_hi12:44
maprerihi pedro_ :)12:51
pedro_hello roadmr  :-)13:04
roadmrpedro_: hey! how's it going?13:04
pedro_roadmr: good and yourself?13:06
roadmrpedro_: pretty good, thanks :)13:06
smartboyhwHi, I want to join the Bug Triage Team, any help?13:56
smartboyhwPlease, anyone here?13:57
smartboyhwGod sake, anyone here to help me?13:59
PiciPatience...14:02
smartboyhwOK, that's weird, so many people in here...14:03
smartboyhwAnyone can approve my "Ubuntu BugSquad" application in Launchpad?14:04
smartboyhw#1033516 confirmed...14:26
LoTsmartboyhw: your bugsquad application will take a while :P14:27
LoTi.e. nobody checks often14:27
* LoT will poke someone though14:27
LoT... eventually14:27
LoTsometime after i've had my fifth cup of coffee :P14:27
LoT... or the sixth... :P14:27
smartboyhw...14:27
LoT(i got no sleep last night, caffeine and coffee is the fuel of the ages.  :P)14:28
smartboyhwHa, let's talk back in #ubuntuforums before the guys start to kill us14:28
LoT:P14:30
LoTactually i'm waiting for hggdh to randomly appear :P14:30
LoTthere's a topic i've been trying to rectify regarding bug documentation, and hggdh is one of the major players in that discussion :P14:31
LoTsmartboyhw: also, if you confirm a bug, you can comment that it affects you, and set it to Confirmed.14:31
smartboyhwI did.14:31
LoTlast i checked, bugcontrol doesnt need to set that14:31
LoT:)14:31
LoT... unless launchpad itself has a regression in its code :P14:31
smartboyhwLook at Bug #1033516.14:32
ubot2Launchpad bug 1033516 in glib-networking "libsoup fails to validate certain Verisign certificates" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/103351614:32
* hggdh randomly pops in14:32
LoTits hggdh!14:32
hggdh:-)14:32
LoThggdh: did you check your emails where you get bugsquad stuffs?14:32
smartboyhw:-)14:32
* hggdh goes look14:33
smartboyhwI do the Quantal bug checks.14:33
LoTregarding that whole core vs. noncore thing14:33
smartboyhwI like new releases.14:33
LoTapparently, when you're me, and you nag people into oblivion on an email chain, things get done...?14:33
LoTnot entirely sure how that's even valid logic, but...14:33
LoThggdh: also, there's more applicants to bugsquad :P14:34
hggdhah, the core vs. non-core.14:34
hggdhah blast14:34
* hggdh goes look at applicaitons14:34
smartboyhwhggdh, I applied14:34
hggdhsmartboyhw: checking on them now14:35
smartboyhwWhen's the next Bug Squad meeting/14:35
LoThggdh: yes, the core vs. noncore14:35
LoTsmartboyhw: whenever we organize one14:35
LoTapparently we dont meet very often... :P14:35
LoTnext thing i see is that hug day14:35
smartboyhwWow, that's random14:35
LoTunless my system is once again not showing things right14:36
* LoT goes and beats Windows into submission14:36
LoT... anyways...14:36
hggdhsmartboyhw: welcome in :-)14:36
smartboyhwTHanks.14:37
hggdhLoT: the Debian priority is not related to how important a package is to the users (like empathy), but how important it is to the system14:37
smartboyhwTHat's weird for the meetings. We QA guys meet every week.14:37
LoThggdh: indeed.  unfortunately, i cant respond to things atm :P14:37
* LoT is working14:37
LoTEVIL SERVERS!  STOP DYING! </annoyed>14:38
hggdhLoT: don't worry, just posting ramdomly ;-)14:38
smartboyhwYou guys better host another meeting.14:38
LoTyou should subscribe to the mailing list14:38
LoT:P14:38
hggdhLoT: so, if a package is prio=required, and you remove it, you can expect your system to misbehave14:38
LoThggdh: indeed.14:38
smartboyhwI did subscribe.14:39
LoThggdh: i wasnt certain, i still agree with Brian on this, though, go see my blog, you'll see my opinions are in agreement http://lordoftime.info/?p=1914:39
hggdhthe tasks check comes from a different perspective: if it is set in a task (selector) option, it is probably considered important enough14:40
LoTindeed.14:40
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hggdhanother nice check is it has to be in main -- an universe package is certainly non-core14:41
LoTindeed.14:42
LoThggdh: i'd like for you to put that on the mailing list :P14:42
LoTall your opinions here are valid14:42
LoTand not all of bugsquad uses IRC actively14:42
* hggdh grumbles14:42
LoT(I know I do, but...)14:42
hggdhah, OK, I will do it :-)14:42
LoTthat, and putty + irssi == evil14:42
* hggdh suggests weechat14:42
LoTyou know what, screw linked in14:43
LoTthey spam me like insanity14:43
smartboyhwWaiting for new bugs to triage.14:43
LoTsmartboyhw: sometimes you just need to wait14:43
LoTbut triaging isnt the only thing bugsquad does14:43
LoT;P14:43
LoTwe also try to put bugs against the actual packages14:43
hggdhsmartboyhw: heh, you do not need to wait, just search for New/Incomplete bugs, you will get your hands full14:43
smartboyhwI don't like reporting14:44
LoTwould you believe there's TONS of bugs qhich get filed against Ubuntu but not packages specifically?14:44
smartboyhwyeah, I only like Quantal bugs.14:44
LoThalf my job is repointing those.14:44
hggdhsmartboyhw: there is also #ubuntu-bugs-announce monitoring newly arrived bugs14:44
smartboyhwi14:44
smartboyhwam there.14:44
LoTa quarter of my job is to gripe to upstream about broken things.14:44
LoTand the rest is focused on nginx, display-dhammapada, and stackapplet.14:44
smartboyhwHey, LoT, don't talk about your job.14:44
hggdhindeed you are...14:44
LoTsmartboyhw: that's my bugsquad duties.14:45
LoTmy real job is ITSecurity14:45
smartboyhw...14:45
LoTso don't go around hacking.  i'll know about it.  >:)14:45
smartboyhwYeah, I do testing and QA mainly. Bugsquad will only be side job.14:45
* LoT notices there's six reports for analysis, goes to do that.14:45
smartboyhwAnyway, what happened to the Beginners team? They sound dead.14:45
LoTthat'd be... bodhi's team, right?14:45
smartboyhwYep, it's dead.14:46
LoTi suggest you ask him.14:46
* LoT points everyone to #ubuntu :P14:46
smartboyhwAnyone know if he's online?14:46
LoThe'll be online later, he is in #ubuntuforums usually14:46
LoTeven though he stepped down from the forums council and forums staff14:46
smartboyhwDon't see him there.14:47
LoThggdh: does nobody read my posts?14:47
LoTi think i said "he'll be online later", didnt i?14:47
LoTbah, whatever14:47
* LoT returns to the reports14:47
hggdhLoT: I do not know about others; I read it14:47
smartboyhw...14:47
LoThggdh: indeed.  +20 to you.14:48
hggdhand I am not thinking out an answer (to bugsquad ;-)14:48
LoTlol14:48
smartboyhwI spend 1 hour and 15 minutes signing the Code of Counduct.14:48
hggdhs/am not/am/14:48
smartboyhwYOu guys should simplify the process.14:48
hggdhsmartboyhw: what process?14:48
smartboyhwThe signing process for Code of Conduct.14:49
LoTwhy woulod you spend an hour.14:51
smartboyhwhggdh: Why is the #1 bug still in progress? I thought it should be deleted. Don't worry about Windows. Worry about Mac OS X.14:51
smartboyhwLoT: I have to get the PGP keys to keyserver.14:52
LoTsmartboyhw: that only takes about 15 minutes?14:52
LoTif you upload to the main keyserver, it'll work14:52
LoTand it'll take < 15 minutes14:52
LoTheck, under 5 mins if you're lucky14:52
hggdhsmartboyhw: mostly because it is historical (and comments are now blocked there)14:52
smartboyhwI waited for an hour. It says uploading to main server takes /60 minutes.14:52
LoTsmartboyhw: it doesnt :P14:53
LoTunless you're on a satellite connection14:53
LoT:P14:53
hggdhwell, it has been a long time I have not uploaded new SSH keys, but it was a fast (or not slow) process14:54
LoTheh14:55
LoThggdh: i included your ideas in an email response.14:55
hggdhLoT: so I do not have to type them?14:56
* hggdh is quite slow today14:56
LoTno, but check the response.14:56
LoT:P14:56
hggdhheh14:56
LoThggdh: i'm on my fifth cup of coffee.  I AM FREAKING WIRED!!!!!!!!14:56
hggdhI only drink decaf, on the dumb hope that I will not get even more insomnia14:57
LoTheh14:57
LoTwell i got no sleep yesterday14:57
LoTso the intake of massive quantities of caffeine to stay awake and energized is not uncommon with me on those days.14:58
hggdhthere is also the additional strain on the cardiac muscles, and hypertension ...14:59
smartboyhwNew bug on Chrome.14:59
LoThggdh: hggdh actually, i have naturally-low blood pressure and pulse.  i'm required to have at least two coffees a day to keep that in the normal range.15:00
LoTeither that, or i have to take stimulant pills15:00
LoTi'd rather have the coffee :P15:00
hggdhlucky bastard...15:01
LoT:P15:01
LoTactually, that's partially due to my first year at University15:01
LoTmy body just adapted to having 4-coffees-a-day in the bloodstream15:01
LoTso now i actually *require* at least 2 a day15:02
LoTto stay in the normal range15:02
hggdhheh15:02
smartboyhw...15:02
hggdhLoT: yes, godd summary15:02
hggdh(on the ML)15:02
LoTindeed.15:03
LoTand of course, my opinions are able to be voiced on my blog, as long as I quote sources and what not.  last i checked the bugsquad ML is publicly archived, yes?15:03
smartboyhwhggdh: How many bugs do you need to triage/report to get to the next level of team membership in Bugsquad?15:05
LoTsmartboyhw: there is no "next level" of membership15:06
LoTif you mean bugcontrol, read their wiki page15:06
LoTBugControl's not necessarily part of Bug Squad, but is related15:06
smartboyhwEr, why can't I set importance?15:07
LoThttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugControl  <--15:08
LoTimportance is bugcontorl only15:08
LoTwhich bug, and what importance do you think it is?15:08
LoTand why.15:08
LoT:P15:08
smartboyhwOK15:08
LoT.Setting the importance of bugs reports. (Bug Control members Only)15:08
LoT(from the bugsquad wiki)15:08
smartboyhwWow, that means I have to wait tilll I triaged 5 bugs.15:09
LoTno15:10
LoTit means that you can have someone in bugcontrol set the importance15:10
smartboyhwOh, that's why.15:10
LoTi got bugcontrol for working on nginx packages, and upstreaming them.  i very rarely use that power, but when i do its typically only to set something as a wishlist bug...15:11
LoTor to triage an nginx package.15:11
LoTs/package/bug/15:11
LoTthat, and sometimes to set importance on other bugs15:11
LoTso as i said15:11
LoTwhich bug, what importance, and why?15:11
LoTsmartboyhw: read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Importance15:11
LoTand https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Status15:11
LoTand all the other bug squad docs.15:12
LoTalso note there are some special workflow bugs15:12
LoTand we dont touch those15:12
smartboyhwOK.15:12
LoTand again, if you'd like to have an importance set, please let this channel know of the bug number, the importance you want, and your reasoning15:12
LoTthen someone on bugcontrol will decide if that's valid15:13
LoTand if it is, will set it15:13
LoTprobably hggdh since i'm analyzing a packet trace log.15:13
LoTwhich is filled with crap :/15:14
smartboyhwBug #1033532, High due to Chrome is a very popular browser and loading webpages is a big thing.15:14
ubot2Launchpad bug 1033532 in chromium-browser "Won't load pages. Sits "waiting for example.com"" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/103353215:14
LoTsmartboyhw: use the Importance page i linked to you15:14
LoTand then rethink your reasoning15:14
LoThttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Importance is the absolute guide to how we handle importance, except in special packages15:14
LoTwhich chromium is not15:14
smartboyhwStill high.15:15
smartboyhwChromium is a core one, I think.15:15
LoTand did you actually test and confirm this?15:15
smartboyhwYep.15:15
* LoT uses Brian's methodology of checking for core15:15
smartboyhwI change it to confirm.15:15
LoTcan you comment that you checked it and confirmed?15:15
LoTrather than just change it to confirmed?15:15
LoTwe like to see comments saying yuo checked and confrimed it15:16
smartboyhwYes, why are you bothering me with that!?!?!?15:16
LoTand what steps you did to reporoduce if any15:16
* LoT has that right to bug you about it15:16
smartboyhwBug me?15:16
* LoT yawns15:16
LoTdamn you putty work faster!15:16
smartboyhwI need to go. Bye!15:16
LoThggdh: we're assuming that if its part of an official derivative's task that its core, right?15:17
LoTat least with Brian's logic.15:17
LoThggdh: also, /query when you're not busy15:18
LoTjbicha: greetings.  :)15:19
* LoT yawns/w 715:24
LoTwhoops15:24
hggdhLoT: it is core for this specific derivative15:33
LoThggdh: cool, so it'd be a "High" bug i take it.15:42
* LoT is back after having to consult with someone on a report.15:42
pedro_does anybody knows who is looking after rt@ubuntu.com ?16:03
LoTprobably one of the admins16:03
LoTwhy16:03
LoTit probably goes to the ticketing systme16:03
pedro_right, i know that16:04
LoT(that looks like a ticketing-based email)16:04
LoTagain, why do you ask, pedro_?16:04
pedro_I'd like to know if i can contact one of those admins trough IRC16:04
LoTnot sure you can, lemme ask someone whi might know16:05
* LoT grabs the Stick of Poking and goes to poke his contacts16:05
pedro_jpds_: do you know anything about that ? ^16:09
LoTpedro_: i just poked my contact who is a Canonical admin, perhaps they'd know.  they're out at lunch, and i'm heading for lunch shortly :P16:09
pedro_lunch? who needs that.16:09
Picipedro_: #canonical-sysadmin is where they live.16:15
LoTpedro_: someone who hasnt eaten breakfast needs lunch16:16
pedro_thanks Pici16:16
* LoT has only had coffee for breakfast today16:16
pedro_:-P16:16
LoTand a LOT of coffee, thereof.16:16
pedro_45 minutes to lunch here :-)16:16
* pedro_ starving16:16
hggdhfood is overrated16:16
pedro_hahaha16:17
* LoT installs MustEatFood mod onto hggdh, then restricts hggdh to taking in only water.16:21
LoTanyways, hggdh i think the bugsquad docs should hold a new page off of Bugs which defines Core and non-core, depending on the response from a couple of others, I strongly believe that Brian's method should be adopted to determine if something's in core.  Opinions?16:22
LoTwow... runon sentence :/16:23
* LoT should fix that16:23
hggdhLoT: we can. But the definition of core/non-core actually does not belong to bugsquad, I think. The bugsquad just inherits it16:25
LoThggdh: it doesnt appear to be defined elsewhere, where's it defined on the wiki, then?16:26
hggdhhehe, I di dnot state it was defined elsewhere. But, IMHO, it should be on one of the devel pages (and may be, BTW)16:27
LoTafaik, its only used in the Importance docs16:29
LoTback during UDS, micah agreed that it needs defining, as have you.16:29
LoThggdh: would #ubuntu-devel know the difference, or how to determine?16:30
hggdhmost certainly16:30
LoThggdh: i'm in there now, feel free to elaborate, though on my question if you wish.16:32
LoTi'm about ready to head out to lunch.16:32
LoTmicahg: any idea whre "core" and "non-core" came from?16:33
micahgnope, that might help clarify16:33
LoTyou and i spoke about it briefly during UDS (on IRC) and we weren't even sure where that came from.16:33
LoTnot sure if you've been following the email chain recently, i dug it up16:33
LoTBrian suggested if its got a task for one of the official derivatives assigned to that package it could be considered Core, both hggdh and I agreed with that16:34
LoTbut we're not sure where that determination actually *came* from, so...16:34
micahghrm, maybe that's not true...http://people.canonical.com/~stgraber/package_sets/quantal/core16:34
LoThmm... maybe we should ask stgraber on this one?16:35
micahgcore is the set of packages that affects multiple package sets AIUI16:35
LoThmm16:35
* micahg looks for a better definition16:35
LoTbut its really been a hinge-point for defining the differences between, say, low or medium, for example.16:36
LoTthis is really the only bugs-related thing i've found that actually uses "core" or "non-core":  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Importance16:37
LoTand that's an important document16:37
LoTmicahg: based on cjwatson's response in -devel, how do we want to determine this?  Brian suggested a pretty goodl solution, use the tasks for a package as the defining point for core or non-core.  He sent that idea out earlier in July, on the 12th, on the email chain.16:44
LoTand if he didn't CC the ML, i did.16:44
micahgLoT: so, you'll need someone with history like bdmurray for that, but I think the new definition works fine16:45
LoTmicahg: "Brian" is bdmurray :P16:45
micahgsorry, was referring to your history statement16:46
LoTat least in this context.16:46
LoTindeed.16:46
LoTi think i'll discuss this again with him, have him make the final determination, but this definition is something that we pretty much unanimously agree needs defining.16:47
LoThow is this a firefox bug?  its a network-manager one, according to their description.  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/103357917:32
ubot2Ubuntu bug 1033579 in firefox "network manager doesnt auto connect to mobile broadband" [Undecided,New]17:32
* LoT is about to invalid that, and point it against network-manager17:33
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jhansonxiI've been finding dupes with a particular NM bug.  I posted them to bug #1011073 but the OR says that bug doesn't match up.  A dev with NM expertise should take a look: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/1011073/comments/1521:36
ubot2Launchpad bug 1011073 in network-manager "NetworkManager submenus sometimes unpopulated" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/101107321:36
ubot2Ubuntu bug 1011073 in network-manager "NetworkManager submenus sometimes unpopulated" [Medium,Incomplete]21:36

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