=== emma is now known as em === deegee__ is now known as drussell === JanC_ is now known as JanC === yofel_ is now known as yofel [12:44] hi [12:51] hi pedro_ :) [13:04] hello roadmr :-) [13:04] pedro_: hey! how's it going? [13:06] roadmr: good and yourself? [13:06] pedro_: pretty good, thanks :) [13:56] Hi, I want to join the Bug Triage Team, any help? [13:57] Please, anyone here? [13:59] God sake, anyone here to help me? [14:02] Patience... [14:03] OK, that's weird, so many people in here... [14:04] Anyone can approve my "Ubuntu BugSquad" application in Launchpad? [14:26] #1033516 confirmed... [14:27] smartboyhw: your bugsquad application will take a while :P [14:27] i.e. nobody checks often [14:27] * LoT will poke someone though [14:27] ... eventually [14:27] sometime after i've had my fifth cup of coffee :P [14:27] ... or the sixth... :P [14:27] ... [14:28] (i got no sleep last night, caffeine and coffee is the fuel of the ages. :P) [14:28] Ha, let's talk back in #ubuntuforums before the guys start to kill us [14:30] :P [14:30] actually i'm waiting for hggdh to randomly appear :P [14:31] there's a topic i've been trying to rectify regarding bug documentation, and hggdh is one of the major players in that discussion :P [14:31] smartboyhw: also, if you confirm a bug, you can comment that it affects you, and set it to Confirmed. [14:31] I did. [14:31] last i checked, bugcontrol doesnt need to set that [14:31] :) [14:31] ... unless launchpad itself has a regression in its code :P [14:32] Look at Bug #1033516. [14:32] Launchpad bug 1033516 in glib-networking "libsoup fails to validate certain Verisign certificates" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1033516 [14:32] * hggdh randomly pops in [14:32] its hggdh! [14:32] :-) [14:32] hggdh: did you check your emails where you get bugsquad stuffs? [14:32] :-) [14:33] * hggdh goes look [14:33] I do the Quantal bug checks. [14:33] regarding that whole core vs. noncore thing [14:33] I like new releases. [14:33] apparently, when you're me, and you nag people into oblivion on an email chain, things get done...? [14:33] not entirely sure how that's even valid logic, but... [14:34] hggdh: also, there's more applicants to bugsquad :P [14:34] ah, the core vs. non-core. [14:34] ah blast [14:34] * hggdh goes look at applicaitons [14:34] hggdh, I applied [14:35] smartboyhw: checking on them now [14:35] When's the next Bug Squad meeting/ [14:35] hggdh: yes, the core vs. noncore [14:35] smartboyhw: whenever we organize one [14:35] apparently we dont meet very often... :P [14:35] next thing i see is that hug day [14:35] Wow, that's random [14:36] unless my system is once again not showing things right [14:36] * LoT goes and beats Windows into submission [14:36] ... anyways... [14:36] smartboyhw: welcome in :-) [14:37] THanks. [14:37] LoT: the Debian priority is not related to how important a package is to the users (like empathy), but how important it is to the system [14:37] THat's weird for the meetings. We QA guys meet every week. [14:37] hggdh: indeed. unfortunately, i cant respond to things atm :P [14:37] * LoT is working [14:38] EVIL SERVERS! STOP DYING! [14:38] LoT: don't worry, just posting ramdomly ;-) [14:38] You guys better host another meeting. [14:38] you should subscribe to the mailing list [14:38] :P [14:38] LoT: so, if a package is prio=required, and you remove it, you can expect your system to misbehave [14:38] hggdh: indeed. [14:39] I did subscribe. [14:39] hggdh: i wasnt certain, i still agree with Brian on this, though, go see my blog, you'll see my opinions are in agreement http://lordoftime.info/?p=19 [14:40] the tasks check comes from a different perspective: if it is set in a task (selector) option, it is probably considered important enough [14:40] indeed. === ante_ is now known as ivoks [14:41] another nice check is it has to be in main -- an universe package is certainly non-core [14:42] indeed. [14:42] hggdh: i'd like for you to put that on the mailing list :P [14:42] all your opinions here are valid [14:42] and not all of bugsquad uses IRC actively [14:42] * hggdh grumbles [14:42] (I know I do, but...) [14:42] ah, OK, I will do it :-) [14:42] that, and putty + irssi == evil [14:42] * hggdh suggests weechat [14:43] you know what, screw linked in [14:43] they spam me like insanity [14:43] Waiting for new bugs to triage. [14:43] smartboyhw: sometimes you just need to wait [14:43] but triaging isnt the only thing bugsquad does [14:43] ;P [14:43] we also try to put bugs against the actual packages [14:43] smartboyhw: heh, you do not need to wait, just search for New/Incomplete bugs, you will get your hands full [14:44] I don't like reporting [14:44] would you believe there's TONS of bugs qhich get filed against Ubuntu but not packages specifically? [14:44] yeah, I only like Quantal bugs. [14:44] half my job is repointing those. [14:44] smartboyhw: there is also #ubuntu-bugs-announce monitoring newly arrived bugs [14:44] i [14:44] am there. [14:44] a quarter of my job is to gripe to upstream about broken things. [14:44] and the rest is focused on nginx, display-dhammapada, and stackapplet. [14:44] Hey, LoT, don't talk about your job. [14:44] indeed you are... [14:45] smartboyhw: that's my bugsquad duties. [14:45] my real job is ITSecurity [14:45] ... [14:45] so don't go around hacking. i'll know about it. >:) [14:45] Yeah, I do testing and QA mainly. Bugsquad will only be side job. [14:45] * LoT notices there's six reports for analysis, goes to do that. [14:45] Anyway, what happened to the Beginners team? They sound dead. [14:45] that'd be... bodhi's team, right? [14:46] Yep, it's dead. [14:46] i suggest you ask him. [14:46] * LoT points everyone to #ubuntu :P [14:46] Anyone know if he's online? [14:46] he'll be online later, he is in #ubuntuforums usually [14:46] even though he stepped down from the forums council and forums staff [14:47] Don't see him there. [14:47] hggdh: does nobody read my posts? [14:47] i think i said "he'll be online later", didnt i? [14:47] bah, whatever [14:47] * LoT returns to the reports [14:47] LoT: I do not know about others; I read it [14:47] ... [14:48] hggdh: indeed. +20 to you. [14:48] and I am not thinking out an answer (to bugsquad ;-) [14:48] lol [14:48] I spend 1 hour and 15 minutes signing the Code of Counduct. [14:48] s/am not/am/ [14:48] YOu guys should simplify the process. [14:48] smartboyhw: what process? [14:49] The signing process for Code of Conduct. [14:51] why woulod you spend an hour. [14:51] hggdh: Why is the #1 bug still in progress? I thought it should be deleted. Don't worry about Windows. Worry about Mac OS X. [14:52] LoT: I have to get the PGP keys to keyserver. [14:52] smartboyhw: that only takes about 15 minutes? [14:52] if you upload to the main keyserver, it'll work [14:52] and it'll take < 15 minutes [14:52] heck, under 5 mins if you're lucky [14:52] smartboyhw: mostly because it is historical (and comments are now blocked there) [14:52] I waited for an hour. It says uploading to main server takes /60 minutes. [14:53] smartboyhw: it doesnt :P [14:53] unless you're on a satellite connection [14:53] :P [14:54] well, it has been a long time I have not uploaded new SSH keys, but it was a fast (or not slow) process [14:55] heh [14:55] hggdh: i included your ideas in an email response. [14:56] LoT: so I do not have to type them? [14:56] * hggdh is quite slow today [14:56] no, but check the response. [14:56] :P [14:56] heh [14:56] hggdh: i'm on my fifth cup of coffee. I AM FREAKING WIRED!!!!!!!! [14:57] I only drink decaf, on the dumb hope that I will not get even more insomnia [14:57] heh [14:57] well i got no sleep yesterday [14:58] so the intake of massive quantities of caffeine to stay awake and energized is not uncommon with me on those days. [14:59] there is also the additional strain on the cardiac muscles, and hypertension ... [14:59] New bug on Chrome. [15:00] hggdh: hggdh actually, i have naturally-low blood pressure and pulse. i'm required to have at least two coffees a day to keep that in the normal range. [15:00] either that, or i have to take stimulant pills [15:00] i'd rather have the coffee :P [15:01] lucky bastard... [15:01] :P [15:01] actually, that's partially due to my first year at University [15:01] my body just adapted to having 4-coffees-a-day in the bloodstream [15:02] so now i actually *require* at least 2 a day [15:02] to stay in the normal range [15:02] heh [15:02] ... [15:02] LoT: yes, godd summary [15:02] (on the ML) [15:03] indeed. [15:03] and of course, my opinions are able to be voiced on my blog, as long as I quote sources and what not. last i checked the bugsquad ML is publicly archived, yes? [15:05] hggdh: How many bugs do you need to triage/report to get to the next level of team membership in Bugsquad? [15:06] smartboyhw: there is no "next level" of membership [15:06] if you mean bugcontrol, read their wiki page [15:06] BugControl's not necessarily part of Bug Squad, but is related [15:07] Er, why can't I set importance? [15:08] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugControl <-- [15:08] importance is bugcontorl only [15:08] which bug, and what importance do you think it is? [15:08] and why. [15:08] :P [15:08] OK [15:08] .Setting the importance of bugs reports. (Bug Control members Only) [15:08] (from the bugsquad wiki) [15:09] Wow, that means I have to wait tilll I triaged 5 bugs. [15:10] no [15:10] it means that you can have someone in bugcontrol set the importance [15:10] Oh, that's why. [15:11] i got bugcontrol for working on nginx packages, and upstreaming them. i very rarely use that power, but when i do its typically only to set something as a wishlist bug... [15:11] or to triage an nginx package. [15:11] s/package/bug/ [15:11] that, and sometimes to set importance on other bugs [15:11] so as i said [15:11] which bug, what importance, and why? [15:11] smartboyhw: read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Importance [15:11] and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Status [15:12] and all the other bug squad docs. [15:12] also note there are some special workflow bugs [15:12] and we dont touch those [15:12] OK. [15:12] and again, if you'd like to have an importance set, please let this channel know of the bug number, the importance you want, and your reasoning [15:13] then someone on bugcontrol will decide if that's valid [15:13] and if it is, will set it [15:13] probably hggdh since i'm analyzing a packet trace log. [15:14] which is filled with crap :/ [15:14] Bug #1033532, High due to Chrome is a very popular browser and loading webpages is a big thing. [15:14] Launchpad bug 1033532 in chromium-browser "Won't load pages. Sits "waiting for example.com"" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1033532 [15:14] smartboyhw: use the Importance page i linked to you [15:14] and then rethink your reasoning [15:14] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Importance is the absolute guide to how we handle importance, except in special packages [15:14] which chromium is not [15:15] Still high. [15:15] Chromium is a core one, I think. [15:15] and did you actually test and confirm this? [15:15] Yep. [15:15] * LoT uses Brian's methodology of checking for core [15:15] I change it to confirm. [15:15] can you comment that you checked it and confirmed? [15:15] rather than just change it to confirmed? [15:16] we like to see comments saying yuo checked and confrimed it [15:16] Yes, why are you bothering me with that!?!?!? [15:16] and what steps you did to reporoduce if any [15:16] * LoT has that right to bug you about it [15:16] Bug me? [15:16] * LoT yawns [15:16] damn you putty work faster! [15:16] I need to go. Bye! [15:17] hggdh: we're assuming that if its part of an official derivative's task that its core, right? [15:17] at least with Brian's logic. [15:18] hggdh: also, /query when you're not busy [15:19] jbicha: greetings. :) [15:24] * LoT yawns/w 7 [15:24] whoops [15:33] LoT: it is core for this specific derivative [15:42] hggdh: cool, so it'd be a "High" bug i take it. [15:42] * LoT is back after having to consult with someone on a report. [16:03] does anybody knows who is looking after rt@ubuntu.com ? [16:03] probably one of the admins [16:03] why [16:03] it probably goes to the ticketing systme [16:04] right, i know that [16:04] (that looks like a ticketing-based email) [16:04] again, why do you ask, pedro_? [16:04] I'd like to know if i can contact one of those admins trough IRC [16:05] not sure you can, lemme ask someone whi might know [16:05] * LoT grabs the Stick of Poking and goes to poke his contacts [16:09] jpds_: do you know anything about that ? ^ [16:09] pedro_: i just poked my contact who is a Canonical admin, perhaps they'd know. they're out at lunch, and i'm heading for lunch shortly :P [16:09] lunch? who needs that. [16:15] pedro_: #canonical-sysadmin is where they live. [16:16] pedro_: someone who hasnt eaten breakfast needs lunch [16:16] thanks Pici [16:16] * LoT has only had coffee for breakfast today [16:16] :-P [16:16] and a LOT of coffee, thereof. [16:16] 45 minutes to lunch here :-) [16:16] * pedro_ starving [16:16] food is overrated [16:17] hahaha [16:21] * LoT installs MustEatFood mod onto hggdh, then restricts hggdh to taking in only water. [16:22] anyways, hggdh i think the bugsquad docs should hold a new page off of Bugs which defines Core and non-core, depending on the response from a couple of others, I strongly believe that Brian's method should be adopted to determine if something's in core. Opinions? [16:23] wow... runon sentence :/ [16:23] * LoT should fix that [16:25] LoT: we can. But the definition of core/non-core actually does not belong to bugsquad, I think. The bugsquad just inherits it [16:26] hggdh: it doesnt appear to be defined elsewhere, where's it defined on the wiki, then? [16:27] hehe, I di dnot state it was defined elsewhere. But, IMHO, it should be on one of the devel pages (and may be, BTW) [16:29] afaik, its only used in the Importance docs [16:29] back during UDS, micah agreed that it needs defining, as have you. [16:30] hggdh: would #ubuntu-devel know the difference, or how to determine? [16:30] most certainly [16:32] hggdh: i'm in there now, feel free to elaborate, though on my question if you wish. [16:32] i'm about ready to head out to lunch. [16:33] micahg: any idea whre "core" and "non-core" came from? [16:33] nope, that might help clarify [16:33] you and i spoke about it briefly during UDS (on IRC) and we weren't even sure where that came from. [16:33] not sure if you've been following the email chain recently, i dug it up [16:34] Brian suggested if its got a task for one of the official derivatives assigned to that package it could be considered Core, both hggdh and I agreed with that [16:34] but we're not sure where that determination actually *came* from, so... [16:34] hrm, maybe that's not true...http://people.canonical.com/~stgraber/package_sets/quantal/core [16:35] hmm... maybe we should ask stgraber on this one? [16:35] core is the set of packages that affects multiple package sets AIUI [16:35] hmm [16:35] * micahg looks for a better definition [16:36] but its really been a hinge-point for defining the differences between, say, low or medium, for example. [16:37] this is really the only bugs-related thing i've found that actually uses "core" or "non-core": https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Importance [16:37] and that's an important document [16:44] micahg: based on cjwatson's response in -devel, how do we want to determine this? Brian suggested a pretty goodl solution, use the tasks for a package as the defining point for core or non-core. He sent that idea out earlier in July, on the 12th, on the email chain. [16:44] and if he didn't CC the ML, i did. [16:45] LoT: so, you'll need someone with history like bdmurray for that, but I think the new definition works fine [16:45] micahg: "Brian" is bdmurray :P [16:46] sorry, was referring to your history statement [16:46] at least in this context. [16:46] indeed. [16:47] i think i'll discuss this again with him, have him make the final determination, but this definition is something that we pretty much unanimously agree needs defining. [17:32] how is this a firefox bug? its a network-manager one, according to their description. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/1033579 [17:32] Ubuntu bug 1033579 in firefox "network manager doesnt auto connect to mobile broadband" [Undecided,New] [17:33] * LoT is about to invalid that, and point it against network-manager === pleia2_ is now known as pleia2 [21:36] I've been finding dupes with a particular NM bug. I posted them to bug #1011073 but the OR says that bug doesn't match up. A dev with NM expertise should take a look: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/1011073/comments/15 [21:36] Launchpad bug 1011073 in network-manager "NetworkManager submenus sometimes unpopulated" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1011073 [21:36] Ubuntu bug 1011073 in network-manager "NetworkManager submenus sometimes unpopulated" [Medium,Incomplete]