[05:11] <MartijnVdS> http://www.nasa.gov/externalflash/mars/curiosity_news3.html
[05:11] <MartijnVdS> ^ Mars landing thingy
[05:13]  * Azelphur is watching all the things
[05:13] <MartijnVdS> \o/
[05:14] <Azelphur> did that guy just tell some other guy to "shut up right now"
[05:14] <Azelphur> rude
[05:14] <MartijnVdS> no, 'Tones right now'
[05:14] <Azelphur> oh, yay for mishearing things
[05:15] <MartijnVdS> this is like POST codes -- all they get is beeps to tell them in which stage everything is :)
[05:15] <Azelphur> fun
[05:16] <MartijnVdS> those animations are cool too
[05:16] <Azelphur> indeed
[05:17] <Azelphur> lots of nervous nasa employees
[05:18] <MartijnVdS> Yeah, I'd soil my pants if I'd written the code :)
[05:19] <Azelphur> same xD
[05:19] <Azelphur> a little while, at least
[05:19] <Azelphur> good measurement
[05:20] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: that's an imperial measurement, they're not yet on metric
[05:20] <Azelphur> indeed :p
[05:23] <Azelphur> popey: morning, nasa is about to land on the mars bar, http://www.nasa.gov/externalflash/mars/curiosity_news3.html
[05:23] <popey> thanks :)
[05:23] <Azelphur> :D
[05:24] <MartijnVdS> 1 minute to atmosphere/entry
[05:24]  * popey just woke up
[05:24] <MartijnVdS> hey, that guy with the Elvis haircut was in the Horizon documentary :)
[05:24] <popey> saw some nasa noise
[05:26] <heeed> Why is Ensign Harry Kim giving the commentary
[05:26] <MartijnVdS> Lots of twitchy peoples
[05:26] <MartijnVdS> heeed: Rule of cool
[05:31] <Azelphur> run camera guy run!
[05:31] <MartijnVdS> Skycrane time
[05:32] <MartijnVdS> Wait for explosion of control room :)
[05:32] <MartijnVdS> well people in*
[05:32] <Azelphur> haha
[05:32] <Azelphur> happy people \o/
[05:32] <heeed> wow
[05:33]  * MartijnVdS waits for the first image from HAZCAM
[05:34] <MartijnVdS> standby for thumbnails
[05:35] <Azelphur> fly to mars -> take picture of the wheel
[05:35] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: And done! ;)
[05:35] <Azelphur> xD
[05:36] <Azelphur> moar stuff :O
[05:38] <MartijnVdS> love their image viewers 8-)
[05:38] <Azelphur> hehe
[05:40] <MartijnVdS> this is like the engineering olympics or something :)
[05:40] <MartijnVdS> "Land something on Mars"
[05:42] <popey> do you get a medal made from Unobtanium?
[05:43] <heeed> Thought thats what the rover was sent to find
[05:43] <MartijnVdS> popey: sure
[06:05] <Azelphur> omg nasa found water on mars: http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/image/0504/WaterOnMars2_gcc_big.jpg
[06:05]  * Azelphur runs
[07:50] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[07:54] <jaymeskeller> Hello.
[07:58] <DJones> hi jaymeskeller
[08:54] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[08:55] <AlanBell> morning all
[08:55] <jaymeskeller> Morning.
[08:55] <oimon> quiet this morning
[08:56] <brobostigon> morning AlanBell
[08:58] <bigcalm> There is life at last!
[08:58] <bigcalm> Morning awake ones :)
[09:01] <brobostigon> morning bigcalm :)
[09:01] <bigcalm> Horrible photograph of the day (I was too lazy to use anything more than my phone's camera) https://twitter.com/bigcalm/status/232399111624724480/photo/1/large
[09:03] <christel> morning kids
[09:04] <brobostigon> morning christel
[09:04] <christel> hiya brobostigon! how art thou? :)
[09:04] <bigcalm> Good morning dear christel :)
[09:04] <brobostigon> christel: not bad, and you?
[09:04] <christel> heya dearest bigclam <3
[09:05] <christel> brobostigon: could be worse, could be worse! :D
[09:05] <brobostigon> http://www.osnews.com/story/26247/CDE_released_as_open_source
[09:05] <brobostigon> christel: :)
[09:05] <christel> it is semi-sunny, this is always Good! :D
[09:05] <brobostigon> :)
[09:06] <gord> ordered a hdmi cable and a small usb cable from amazon on saturday. they are now sending out two seperate trucks to deliver each one individually today...
[09:06] <brobostigon> lol
[09:07] <christel> haha
[09:07] <Flashtek> sounds about right
[09:08] <oimon> brobostigon, worst thing about CDE (apart from the performance on the sun machines i was using at that time) was the pastel colours
[09:09] <brobostigon> oimon: it was alittle bland on that front, yes.
[09:09] <oimon> IMHO it was horrible to use
[09:09] <oimon> i preferred openwindows which came before it
[09:10] <brobostigon> oimon: i never really spent enough time with it, to form a good opinion.
[09:10] <directhex> CDE's Free? woo, i can finally ditch that nasty XFCE clone for the real thing!
[09:10] <oimon> i had to work with it all day every day
[09:10] <oimon> cde felt spongey
[09:11] <oimon> openwindows felt crisp
[09:12] <oimon> openwindows was, i think the daddy of fvwm type ui
[09:23] <jaymeskeller> Ho hum. De-rubbishifying Android is pretty boring.
[09:24] <oimon> jaymeskeller, in what way? found a good app for removing cruft the other day
[09:25] <jaymeskeller> Using ADB shell.
[09:29] <oimon> i've never found enough proper documentation to know what to do with android
[09:29] <oimon> in terms of hackery and pokery
[09:29] <oimon> beyond installing cm
[09:51] <oimon> using ie on windows servers is like pulling teeth
[09:52] <oimon> none of the buttons you click actaully work
[09:54] <Flashtek> using windows servers is like pulling teeth
[09:54] <Flashtek> same reason
[09:56] <Flashtek> "What do you mean I have to tell you WHY I am shutting you down...?"
[09:57] <Flashtek> "And now you want me to tell you why you stopped working last time and I had to pull the plug..? let me login and find out then I'll tell you.. oh, wait, can't do it that way around..."
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[09:57] <gord> my faaaaavourite windows feature is when i shut down windows in the evening and leave, then wander up to the computer in the morning and find its sitting there on a "OMG some programs are running?!!!" screen
[09:58] <oimon> in fact, if you boot a win server after a sudden outage, then it doesn't start working properly until after you've connected to the console to tell it whyy it shut down
[09:58] <oimon> which if you have a vmware farm, is a pain in the botty
[09:58] <dwatkins> gord: yeah, that always makes me facepalm
[09:59] <oimon> $employer decided to update all the IT infrastructure, unfortunately they asked consultants, so insead of about 3 linux boxes we are getting 80 windows ones instead
[09:59] <Flashtek> lol
[09:59] <oimon> cry
[10:00] <Flashtek> sounds like the hotmail migration
[10:01]  * Flashtek ponders using a mini-itx unit as a scan/print/file server
[10:02] <Flashtek> I was going to use my guruplug, but the drivers for my printer are x86 only, and trying to cross compile is too much effort
[10:03] <davmor2> Morning all you funky people
[10:03] <Flashtek> o/
[10:03] <bigcalm> Morning davmor2
[10:11] <oimon> not sure if i'm about to have a stroke or my wife is actually cooking toast
[10:17] <Flashtek> can you raise both arms above your head and keep 'em there ?
[10:18] <n1md4> 'cooking' toast?
[10:18] <Flashtek> i think he means toasting bread
[10:18] <n1md4> ;)
[10:18]  * n1md4 couldn't help it, and delights in a little sarcasm now and again :)
[10:19] <Flashtek> i know :)
[10:19] <n1md4> Good morning.
[10:19] <Flashtek> it's like when someone says "making a roast"
[10:19] <Flashtek> no, roasting is a type of cooking
[10:19] <oimon> wow, this page is creepy https://www.facebook.com/princeharryfanspage
[10:19] <Flashtek> i'll pass thanks
[10:19] <oimon> making a roast, is short for making a roast dinner
[10:19] <Flashtek> http://www.dnac.co.uk/
[10:20] <Flashtek> that's given me hours of fun
[10:20] <oimon> the trouble with working from home is that when some doofus changes password, or blocks your account, then you can't get any work done until they respond/fix
[10:21] <oimon> anyone know any good paid market research stuff that pays well for online surveys for knowledgeable IT managers?
[10:21] <directhex> i got £20 once from a survey clearly run by microsoft. but that's it.
[10:22] <oimon> yeah that sort of thing
[10:22] <oimon> but regular?
[10:22] <oimon> just counted 9 mozzie bites :(
[10:24]  * Monotoko facepalms
[10:24] <Monotoko> I swear to God, I will fly to America and kill this programmer
[10:24] <Monotoko> working with old, rubbish codebases is a horrible experiance
[10:25] <oimon> and submit yourself to their fingerprint/dna database?
[10:25] <Flashtek> if you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear from it
[10:25] <gord> in two years, someone will be saying the same about you
[10:25] <Monotoko> hmm... already done that
[10:26] <Monotoko> and nah, this project will be scapped before then I think
[10:26] <Monotoko> the joys of working for a boss
[10:26] <oimon> Flashtek, what if i have nothing to hide now, but at some point they decide $thing is illegal, or subversive?
[10:27] <Monotoko> not quite sure whether to try to add some kind of structure or OOP... or keep just adding little patches and fixes
[10:27] <Flashtek> Monotoko: REWRITE !!
[10:27] <Monotoko> Flashtek, I would if I had the time :P
[10:27] <directhex> PORT TO VB.NET!
[10:27] <Flashtek> COBOL !
[10:27] <Monotoko> it's PHP
[10:28] <directhex> lolphp
[10:28] <Monotoko> PHP can be a pleasure to work with, this is seriously the worst I've dealt with... and my boss is getting indian programmers to add patches
[10:28] <Monotoko> just making it worse
[10:29] <directhex> php is a great language to get you up & started fast... it's also designed by chimpan... that's a lie, it's just not designed. it's a bunch of haphazard randomness thrown at a wall to see what stick (everything), and it also happens to be universdal enough that everyone needs to know it
[10:30] <directhex> nothing beats php for going from a .html page to an active page. beyond that scope it gets hairier
[10:30] <directhex> e.g. "sites", "mvc", etc
[10:30] <Monotoko> directhex, this code creates dynamic websites... I'd love to rebuild it under a framework and OOP
[10:31] <Monotoko> but then I will be complained at
[10:31] <Monotoko> an example of what I'm working with: http://pastebin.com/chq6pB3G
[10:37] <directhex> curly.
[10:38] <dwatkins> Monotoko: isn't there an API that does this sort of thing for you? I have no idea, just wondering.
[10:38] <Monotoko> dwatkins, aye there is... I'm rewriting it to use the Amazon PHP SDK now
[10:38] <Monotoko> but again... it's just a plaster
[10:39] <Monotoko> when it needs heart surgery
[10:42] <oimon> man i feel rough today
[10:43] <Monotoko> heh... today is dragging by
[10:56] <oimon> why do news website autoplay the videos on their articles? it's very stupid and annoying.
[10:58] <Monotoko> drives me insane as well...
[10:59] <Monotoko> and the occasional "marketing" website I land on (and get off very quickly)
[11:06] <ali1234> the first derivative of 2x^2 is 4x right? right??
[11:06] <ali1234> i can't remember this stuff :(
[11:08] <Flashtek> ffs..
[11:09] <Flashtek> voter registration form... can't ammend details online, HAS to be done in the mail
[11:09] <Flashtek> because it needs a signature...
[11:10]  * Flashtek type "man gpg"
[11:10] <Flashtek> yup, that does signatures...
[11:43] <Pendulum> hiya
[11:44] <oimon> ali1234, yes
[11:47] <oimon> i heard natalie portman just got married to a millipede
[11:54] <weecol> #meeting
[11:54] <weecol> #commands
[12:15] <hoover> hi folks
[12:24] <bigcalm> ?
[12:25] <bigcalm> christel or Dave2: what was the global notice from jtrucks about?
[12:25] <Pendulum> bigcalm: you beat me to asking that
[12:26]  * Pendulum hugs bigcalm 
[12:26]  * bigcalm hugs Pendulum too :)
[12:29] <Dave2> Somewhat cryptic announcement of a new server.
[12:30]  * Dave2 lets his up arrow relax.
[12:33] <bigcalm> Dave2: completely cryptic. I have no idea still
[12:57] <Pendulum> bigcalm: my guess is it's a quotation relating to the name of the new server
[14:43] <oimon2> my 2yr old keeps asking to play on my tablet :S
[14:46] <TheOpenSourcerer> Give him some Calpol instead. They find liquids easier to swallow
[14:47] <oimon2> bahdum chish
[14:47] <oimon2> he also asks for calpol a lot
[14:48] <dwatkins> isn't calpol pretty much the only medicine you can generally give a child?
[14:48] <TheOpenSourcerer> Since they took the booze out of Gripe water, yes.
[14:48] <dwatkins> wow
[14:49] <TheOpenSourcerer> there is a kids nurofen solution. Nice and orangy
[14:49] <dwatkins> I give my pets vitamins, it tastes orangy.
[14:49] <oimon2> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGe-Vx3hYW8 he's only played temple run a few times
[14:50] <TheOpenSourcerer> The original Woodward's Gripe Water contained 3.6% alcohol... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gripe_water Still remember that stuff. nom nom.
[15:14] <christel> i've only given david medicine (calpol) once (last week after he decided to touch the hobs whilst on and ended up shaking for hours whilst his hand blistered up) -- he's been asking for "more medicine?" ever since
[15:14] <christel> apparently it was most tasty
[15:14] <christel> (and yes, i realise that i joined the conversation a tad late!)
[15:15] <christel> bigcalm: Pendulum is indeed right (about the random quote)
[15:15]  * bigcalm tickles christel
[15:15]  * Pendulum hugs christel
[15:16] <bigcalm> Blind spot?
[15:16]  * christel hugs bigcalm and Pendulum 
[15:16] <bigcalm> \o/
[15:16] <Pendulum> :D
[15:17] <christel> we still don't have a passport!
[15:18] <christel> i've just been abusing some poor sod at the passport office
[15:18] <Pendulum> :(
[15:18] <bigcalm> This really sucks
[15:18] <christel> (mainly because i got annoyed after being on hold for over an hour)
[15:18] <Pendulum> christel: Did they in fact send it when they said they did?
[15:19] <christel> and then he was all "Oh it is out for delivery... it should be with you soon" so i was all "according to your email it should have already been here" "well er, i dont have access to get you the tracking number or to check.. but if you call back someone else can put you through to the processing unit, they will be able to give you a tracking number"
[15:19] <christel> "if i call back? why cant you put me through?" "oh er, they will be busy..."
[15:19] <christel> ...
[15:19] <Pendulum> THat's the point at which I start asking to speak to a manager/supervisor
[15:20] <christel> i am now on hold to the courier with the sole aim of social engineering them into giving me info without the bloody tracking number!
[15:20] <christel> also, that guy must have been smoking crack
[15:21] <christel> as he asked to speak with David as they couldnt discuss an application with a third party
[15:21] <christel> which is probably when i first snapped at him.. :x
[15:21] <bigcalm> You should have put him on
[15:22] <christel> "remember how you just asked for the applicants date of birth and i said he was born in 2010? that makes him two and a half.. are you really sure you want to speak with him?"
[15:22] <christel> mind, when he was like 3 months old the GP phoned and asked to speak with him ...
[15:22] <christel> she was intending to book him in for his jabs and clearly failed to catch the fact that it was Baby's first jabs and that he was very Little
[15:25] <n1md4> hahah!
[15:25] <christel> (i conclude that everyone are incompetent)
[15:26] <christel> :)
[15:27] <Pendulum> christel: I assume you mean that everyone other than you is incompetent ;)
[15:27] <christel> well yes, but i didnt want to say... being modest and all
[15:28] <Pendulum> oh, yes. I forgot about your modesty
[15:29] <davmor2> christel: I'll have you know that I'm very competent at breaking stuff, that why I have a job in QA :D
[15:33] <bigcalm> Pendulum: we all forget about christel's modesty :S
[15:33] <Pendulum> bigcalm: obviously it's because she's so modest about it
[15:34] <davmor2> christel: Modesty is that the name of one of your children or something?
[15:37] <bigcalm> davmor2: have you tried using your Xoom with a TV yet?
[15:37] <davmor2> bigcalm: nope
[15:37] <bigcalm> The sound is terrible :(
[15:37] <bigcalm> Ah well
[15:38] <davmor2> bigcalm: don't forget I'm on jelly bean too so might be better now :)
[15:38] <bigcalm> davmor2: https://twitter.com/bigcalm/status/232399111624724480
[15:38] <oimon2> having to be careful explaining thunder and lightning to my boy
[15:38] <bigcalm> Well, that would be nice, but I have a feeling that audio still lacks EQ control
[15:39] <bigcalm> oimon2: it's very very frighting
[15:39] <oimon2> bigcalm: he loves it
[15:39] <gord> you better knock, on wood.
[15:39] <oimon2> but i need to be careful to explain that thunder doesn't come second, we just hear the sound of it a bit later on
[15:40] <bigcalm> How old is your son?
[15:40] <oimon2> 2
[15:40] <oimon2> :D
[15:40] <bigcalm> Teach him about em spectrum
[15:41] <oimon2> when i was at school i was given a X for my answer that thunder does not happen after lightning
[15:42] <oimon2> poor show from the teacher
[15:43] <oimon2> i need to remind myself the full answer of why the sky is blue
[15:43] <oimon2> he's not at why stage yet
[15:44] <gord> reflecting the ocean, *obviously*
[15:44] <oimon2> he just accepts facts like a ...like a child
[15:44] <bigcalm> The answer is "because"
[15:44] <oimon2> gord: the blue is stuck in a while loop?
[15:44] <gord> well no, at night it goes red, like the ocean does
[15:44] <gord> and thats why he has to go to bed so early because the red ocean is full of blood and monsters that will eat him
[15:45] <oimon2> he likes monsters atm
[15:45] <oimon2> maybe my ones are not scary enough
[15:47] <oimon2> counting after the lightning is a great game though
[15:49] <oimon2> "70 percent of income consumers make from trading games goes straight back into buying brand new games"
[15:49] <oimon2> probably that very instant , too
[15:50] <gord> you'd get a lot more by just selling on ebay often too
[15:50] <oimon2> you can't really sell a game bought on steam though?
[15:51] <gord> not at all, if you try and sell a steam account they will ban it
[15:51] <oimon2> its like the kindle problem.
[15:51] <gord> you can't even return games on steam
[15:51] <oimon2> i bought a steam account once, i'd better keep shtum
[15:51] <oimon2> well i bought a physical game that needed a key to unlock it that was a steam key, or something
[15:52] <oimon2> so he gave me his account, which had that 1 game in it
[15:52] <oimon2> kindle books are a con, but we keep buying
[15:52] <gord> yeah thats against their terms ;)
[15:53] <gord> they made sure to re-word the steam agreement in order to bypass the new EU legislation about selling software too
[15:57] <oimon2> everybody loves valve though
[16:00] <oimon2> did anyone watch the programme about tetris? they repeated it on bbc t';;;;;;;other day
[16:04] <MartijnVdS> oimon2: I recorded it the first time, liked itr
[16:11] <oimon2> i heard the next release of apple's OS will be called snoop lion
[16:11] <oimon2> MartijnVdS: yeah,made me happy that the crooks at mirrorgroup didn't win
[16:13] <MartijnVdS> oimon2: did you also see the Antikythera mechanism one?
[16:13]  * oimon2 googles what that word means
[16:13] <MartijnVdS> http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01hlkcq
[16:13] <MartijnVdS> oimon2: ^
[16:14] <oimon2> thanks, i will check it out
[16:15] <oimon2> annoying they don't say when it's on next, i haven't sorted out a connection between my iplayer pc running dvi, and old school telly (scart/composite connectors)
[16:19] <Flashtek> I want the "R" release to be Rampant Rabbit
[16:19] <MartijnVdS> Raging Rhino
[16:19] <oimon2> can someone run iwconfig | grep misc please?
[16:19] <bigcalm> Voicing that opinion instantly strikes it from any possible list
[16:19] <MartijnVdS> oimon2: iwconfig is old, what do you want to know?
[16:19] <oimon2> and then again to see if misc is flying upwards?
[16:19] <MartijnVdS> oimon2: iw wlan0 link :)
[16:20] <oimon2> invalid misc is increasing a lot
[16:20] <oimon2> dmesg
[16:20] <oimon2> woops, wrong window
[16:20] <MartijnVdS> oimon2: Probably lots of other APs in the area?
[16:20] <MartijnVdS> oimon2: which card?
[16:24] <davmor2> has everyone been looking marsward for the green flashes?  OOOOOOOOLLLAAAAAAA bam bam bammmmm diddle um diddle um......
[16:25] <oimon2> intel 4965agn
[16:25] <MartijnVdS>  oimon2 there are bugreports about that
[16:26] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: The chances are a million to one!
[16:26] <oimon2> yeah, MartijnVdS, however not many fixes
[16:26] <oimon2> i get a lot of reset messages in dmesg
[16:26] <oimon2> [ 9581.002074] iwl4965 0000:0c:00.0: Microcode SW error detected.  Restarting 0x82000000.
[16:26] <MartijnVdS> yes that
[16:27] <MartijnVdS> Which Ubuntu version are you using?
[16:28] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: They say, but do we trust "they", "they" have been known to get it wrong, "They" are the "Men in Black" and we know where that rabbit hole leads </conspiracy_daily_mail_reader_talk> :D
[16:29] <oimon2> 12.04 MartijnVdS
[16:43] <oimon2> gonna see if this swcrypto=1 fixes anything MartijnVdS, however not looking likely so far.
[16:44] <MartijnVdS> :(
[16:46] <oimon2> i wonder if it's just when i suspend
[16:46] <n1md4> BigRedS: Can you log in and out again?  Think I nailed it this time!
[16:46] <oimon2> cycling in the olympics is cool
[16:47] <MartijnVdS> the Omnium?
[16:47] <MartijnVdS> I don't understand the rules
[16:48] <oimon2> the head to head sprints
[16:48] <oimon2> pendleton up now
[16:49] <MartijnVdS> the huge group where sometimes someone has to go all the way up/right?
[16:49] <oimon2> i don't understand omnium tihng either
[16:50] <oimon2> come on pendles
[16:50] <oimon2> it's the 2 player version at the moment
[16:51] <jacobw> evening
[16:52] <MartijnVdS> We broke a keyboard playing this on an old XT once 8-)
[16:52] <MartijnVdS> or maybe it was a 286
[16:52] <MartijnVdS> but the keyboard broke ;)
[17:09] <Flashtek> how to build a .deb from tgz and a .spec file ?
[17:10] <MartijnVdS> those are to build rpm's
[17:10] <MartijnVdS> not debs
[17:10] <Flashtek> i know
[17:10] <MartijnVdS> you need to package it as a deb.. rewrite the .spec as a debian/ dir
[17:10] <Flashtek> there is a debian dir
[17:10] <AlanBell> build the rpm and use alien to convert it (maybe, bit hackish)
[17:13] <jacobw> Flashtek: a DEB is just an archive containing a filesystem overlay and a debian/ directory
[17:14] <jacobw> Flashtek: for example if the package provides /usr/bin/foo, it would be an archive containing debian/ and usr/bin/foo
[17:14] <jacobw> Flashtek: the debian/ directory contains the control file, which defines the package
[17:15] <jacobw> Flashtek: just unpack a simple package and take a look :)
[17:15] <Flashtek> uh huh
[17:17] <linuxloony89> hi all, has anyone had much of a play with accomplishments?
[17:20] <jacobw> no
[17:23] <linuxloony89> it's looking good, although I can get the trophie for registering to launchpad :-S
[17:43] <ali1234> yeah i couldn't get it to work either
[17:47] <jacobw> http://bash.org/?163301
[17:47] <jacobw> hehe
[18:02] <Azelphur> jacobw: hehe, I have a quote on qdb :P
[18:02] <Azelphur> oh wait, I have 2 on qdb
[18:03] <Azelphur> http://www.qdb.us/297725 http://qdb.us/296033 both under my old nick
[18:04] <ali1234> that is epic
[18:04] <Azelphur> :D
[18:06]  * jacobw remembers that nick
[18:41] <Aivaras> Guys is there a simple way to install Realtek RTL2832U drivers in ubuntu?
[18:43] <Azelphur> Aivaras: plug in on wifi, go into update manager and click check, then go into hardware drivers
[18:43] <Azelphur> if it requires proprietary drivers, there should be an option there for it
[18:44] <Azelphur> wat, plug in on ethernet*
[18:44] <Aivaras> Its tv tuner, not wifi card.
[18:44] <Azelphur> ohhh, sorry realtek usually makes wifi devices
[18:44] <Aivaras> realtek makes everything. :D
[18:44] <Azelphur> indeed :D
[18:45]  * Azelphur learns new things
[18:45] <Aivaras> I mean really. They made chips. Semiconductors.
[18:45] <Azelphur> Aivaras: according to linuxtv wiki, it's not going to be easy, and "At present drivers of various quality can be found on the net although none have been known to work consistantly."
[18:45] <Azelphur> although the article says that this driver will work with Ubuntu 12.04, https://github.com/ambrosa/DVB-Realtek-RTL2832U-2.2.2-10tuner-mod_kernel-3.0.0
[18:46] <Aivaras> yeah, I'm trying this one right now
[18:46] <Azelphur> :)
[18:47] <Azelphur> you know what to do with it?
[18:47] <Aivaras> make, make install, modprobe
[18:47] <Azelphur> sounds good :)
[18:47] <Aivaras> seems to be working
[18:47] <Azelphur> woo \o/
[18:48] <Aivaras> dvb-usb: RTL2832U DVB-T USB DEVICE successfully initialized and connected.
[18:48] <Aivaras> Now if I just could remmember software I used before :D
[18:50] <Azelphur> If I buy a laptop from staples, where do I go to get the micro tax refund? Lenovo or Staples?
[18:51] <Azelphur> I think with win7 it's lenovo
[18:52] <Aivaras> What kind of refund is that?
[18:53] <Aivaras> if you want to get money for windows you don't need - you go to lenovo.
[18:53] <Azelphur> Aivaras: Windows costs money, Laptops come bundled with Windows, I don't want Windows :)
[18:53] <Azelphur> yea
[18:53] <Aivaras> So lenovo it is
[18:53] <Aivaras> wait, i have some email about that somewhere
[18:54] <Aivaras> OK, its not that easy.
[18:55] <Aivaras> You go to warranty service provider (it should be lenovo)
[18:56] <Azelphur> yea
[19:03] <Aivaras> Azelphur: They will take your laptop, delete windows, take of windows stricker and give it back after... whatever they want :D
[19:04]  * jacobw2 doesn't bother
[19:04] <jacobw2> time > money
[19:04] <Aivaras> time and money are reletive :D
[19:05] <jacobw2> yes, one is greater than the other :)
[19:06] <Aivaras> Also may you know how much do they refund? I am thinking of buying new laptop in september or so.
[19:07] <jacobw2> hi wayne___
[19:07] <wayne___> hiya
[19:10] <wayne___> brb
[19:10] <Aivaras> And guys, Does all airports in UK has no free wifi? I was in London Luton and Leeds bradford this summer and it was kind of costy.
[19:10] <Azelphur> Aivaras: I have spare laptops anyway
[19:10] <Azelphur> this is an upgrade, so they are more than welcome to pay to ship it off
[19:11] <Aivaras> in that case its ok for you :)
[19:11] <Azelphur> hehe
[19:11] <ali1234> hey if you want to buy laptop with no windows go to ebuyer and buy zoostorm
[19:11] <ali1234> you get like 8GB dual core 15" for £250
[19:11] <Aivaras> ali1234: what CPU?
[19:12] <Azelphur> ali1234: that's pretty cool, but it's not what I want, I'm after a small laptop that fits in my coat poket
[19:12] <cliftonts> Azelphur: Are you about?
[19:12] <Azelphur> pocket*
[19:12] <ali1234> can't remember.
[19:12] <cliftonts> aah, you are
[19:12] <Azelphur> cliftonts: nope
[19:12] <Azelphur> lol
[19:12] <ali1234> moooooon on a stiiiiiiick
[19:12] <Azelphur> ali1234: power button, mooooooooooooooon on a stick :D
[19:12] <Azelphur> ali1234: http://www.staples.co.uk/technology/computing/computing/ideapad-s205-4gb-11-6-black?r=bf is what I'm getting
[19:12] <Azelphur> (sidenote, getting 4 of these too http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140808076771#ht_18834wt_1170)
[19:13] <Azelphur> selling all my old things and upgrading \o/
[19:13] <ali1234> http://www.ebuyer.com/search?page=1&sort=popularity&limit=10&store=5&cat=10&filtermfr=1181
[19:13] <cliftonts> Azelphur: Just thought I'd pop on to let you know that I've successfully converted one of my basic programs to python. I'm just ironing out a few kinks now.
[19:13] <ali1234> B970 or core i3
[19:13] <Azelphur> cliftonts: woo \o/
[19:13] <Aivaras> Staples ships to all UK?
[19:13] <Azelphur> ali1234: yea, they are nice and all but too big for me :)
[19:14] <Azelphur> Aivaras: I hope so
[19:14] <ali1234> i wasn't suggesting it for you because you want the moon on a stick
[19:14] <Azelphur> otherwise I'll have to buy it elsewhere :D
[19:14] <cliftonts> It's an odd experience working with a new language. I'm used to the Qbasic interpreter handling things like spacing and indentation for me. But I can see the appeal of the structure in python
[19:14] <Azelphur> ali1234: lol
[19:14] <Azelphur> ali1234: did you see my moon on a stick monitors
[19:14] <Laney> who has an opinion on TVs?
[19:15] <ali1234> i have an opinion on everything
[19:15] <Azelphur> cliftonts: yea, it takes a while to get used to but it's awesome once you get into it
[19:15] <Laney> not too big. probably 32" ish. Full HD. Preferably smart.
[19:15] <ali1234> you want a 100Hz samsung LED TV
[19:15] <Azelphur> ali1234: opinion on my monitors? :D
[19:15] <ali1234> they have built in smart-everything
[19:15]  * Laney summons directhex 
[19:15] <ali1234> Azelphur: the dodgy korean ones?
[19:15] <Azelphur> yep
[19:15] <ali1234> i guess they are good if they work
[19:16] <Aivaras> I'm thinking of samsung RV520 with i3 2330 4 gb ram 500 GB and SSD insted of cd-rom
[19:16] <Azelphur> indeed
[19:16] <Azelphur> ali1234: seem to, I saw a forum post from one guy saying it's the best monitor he's ever bought. Zero dead pixel check, 1 year warranty, and the ebay guy is giving me a discount \o/
[19:16] <cliftonts> Azelphur: My next problem will be learning all the things I've got no common frame of reference for. Like what all the modules are and what they do
[19:16] <ali1234> Aivaras: http://www.ebuyer.com/388471-zoostorm-laptop-7873-9038
[19:16] <Azelphur> cliftonts: hehe, I doubt you'll be able to learn *all* the modules, just the ones you want/need to use
[19:17] <ali1234> dunno how much extra you'd have to pay for SSD though
[19:17] <ali1234> the samsung isn't much more
[19:17] <cliftonts> Azelphur: Of course but my point being that there are many things python can do which were never thought of when qbasic was made
[19:18] <Azelphur> cliftonts: indeed :)
[19:18] <popey> evening!
[19:18] <cliftonts> All part of the fun, right?
[19:18] <cliftonts> evening
[19:18] <Azelphur> Aivaras: I have a used F40GB2 (40GB SSD) for sale, should you want it
[19:18] <ali1234> cliftonts: those things were thought of by perl developers... but nobody understands perl
[19:18] <Aivaras> Azelphur: No, I'm thinking about 128 GB
[19:18] <ali1234> python is perl for normal people (ie not perl developers)
[19:18] <Azelphur> Aivaras: that's what I upgraded to :D
[19:18] <cliftonts> ali1234: I barely understand python.....yet!
[19:18] <Azelphur> popey: evening
[19:19] <jacobw2> perl developers are crazy
[19:19] <ali1234> you will never understand perl
[19:19] <jacobw2> there's no such thing as a postmodern computer language
[19:19] <ali1234> even perl developers don't undersand it
[19:19] <cliftonts> I've never looked at perl actually
[19:19] <jacobw2> perl is kinda hipsterish
[19:19] <ali1234> no that's ruby
[19:19] <ali1234> ruby = perl for hipsters
[19:19] <Aivaras> perl is write only language :D
[19:19] <cliftonts> I get python and php, they seem to follow the train of thought I'm used to
[19:20] <ali1234> perl has too many features for changing the language itself
[19:20] <ali1234> as such everyone writes a slightly different dialect of it
[19:20] <ali1234> ruby has even more such features
[19:20] <Azelphur> I remember seeing a ruby conference photo once
[19:20] <Azelphur> and the whole room was macbook
[19:20] <Azelphur> nuff said
[19:20] <Aivaras> :D
[19:20] <ali1234> the only good thing to come out of ruby world is github
[19:20] <jacobw2> python > perl > php
[19:21] <ali1234> and that's pretty good
[19:21] <ali1234> so i have to give them a pass
[19:21] <cliftonts> I love these people who ponce around with their apple stuff. Twice the price of my kit and it doesn't seem to do any more
[19:21] <popey> cliftonts, careful with your massive generalisations
[19:21] <Azelphur> cliftonts: lol, my friend bought an ipad 3 for £579 the other day, could have bought 3 nexus 7 with room to spare XD
[19:21] <Azelphur> and the n7 has better gpu/cpu
[19:21] <popey> Azelphur, and none of the nexus 7's would have 3g
[19:22] <Azelphur> true :P
[19:22] <cliftonts> popey: I said the people who ponce around with apple kit. As in specifically the ones who put themselves up on a pedestal, think they're better than everyone else.
[19:22] <jacobw2> there's a really funny blog post going around written about how much a guy hates php
[19:22] <popey> cliftonts, what makes you think they think that?
[19:22] <Aivaras> is samsung galaxy the only one with 3g and android?
[19:22] <Azelphur> I use my phone to provide internet to all my devices, I prefer to only pay the one phone bill
[19:22] <popey> Azelphur, i am doing that with my phone right now
[19:22] <popey> (an iphone)
[19:22] <Azelphur> popey: :)
[19:23] <Azelphur> I have a GS3 arriving later this week, feel the envy :P
[19:23] <cliftonts> If I got a tablet I'd want 3g built in. All the ones I have seen are dongle compatible.
[19:23] <popey> i dont like android, no envy
[19:23] <jacobw2> envy?
[19:23] <Azelphur> hehe
[19:23] <jacobw2> as in the emotion?
[19:23] <Azelphur> yes
[19:23] <cliftonts> popey: I tolerate android. It has many flaws and I'd much rather have a ubuntu phone
[19:23] <Azelphur> o.O
[19:24] <popey> yeah, can't see myself buying an android phone any time soon
[19:24] <Aivaras> ubuntu phone would suck even more :D
[19:24] <Azelphur> cliftonts: I managed to get Lubuntu running on my current android phone (htc desire z), I imagine the same procedure will work on my S3 :)
[19:24] <cliftonts> mine has been driving me nuts all week
[19:24] <jacobw2> an ubuntu phone doesn't exist
[19:24] <cliftonts> Aivaras: Why do you say that?
[19:25] <Aivaras> cliftonts: well, because ubuntu is far from things that I would like to use every day :D
[19:25] <Azelphur> jacobw2: http://nexusonehacks.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/ubuntu-on-nexus-one.jpg nonexistant phone reporting in
[19:25] <cliftonts> Azelphur: I wouldn't want to just squash something into my phone that wasn't meant for it. I'd want something where the UI worked well. Something built for the job
[19:25] <Azelphur> cliftonts: that's why we have python :)
[19:26] <popey> i do enjoy how people think an Ubuntu Phone would be a phone just running Ubuntu
[19:26] <popey> like the desktop would work on a phone
[19:26] <popey> and like canonical are _that_ _dumb_ that we'd even try to do that
[19:26] <Aivaras> no one said so.
[19:26] <Azelphur> popey: you work for canonical now? o.O
[19:26] <cliftonts> Azelphur: I've only just managed to make python pick out lottery numbers! I think redesigning Ubuntu might be a bit ambitious for me!!! lol
[19:27] <Azelphur> cliftonts: haha, a UI is very simple to write
[19:27] <popey> Azelphur, yes, only since november last year
[19:27] <Azelphur> cliftonts: plus, you don't even need to write one. E17 has a UI designed for phones. It would work fine
[19:27] <Aivaras> we see how dumb they are then they switched to unity insted of gnome. :D
[19:27] <Azelphur> popey: oh nice, I'm slow. Late congrats on that :D
[19:27] <popey> ah there we go
[19:28] <cliftonts> Azelphur: I'd sure it is but I've got a lot of exploring to do before I get even close
[19:28] <popey> thanks Azelphur
[19:28] <ali1234> ubuntu desktop is just a PC running ubuntu...
[19:28] <Azelphur> hehe
[19:28] <ali1234> why would ubuntu phone be any different?
[19:28] <cliftonts> popey: I understand the ubuntu phone concept is miles away from the desktop. I was putting faith in the design decisions being made right now, that's all
[19:28] <jacobw2> i'm not sure what unity would look like designed for a phone
[19:28] <popey> ali1234, can't imagine a phone running stock ubuntu desktop would work well
[19:28] <Azelphur> http://crux-arm.nu/files/screenshots/htc-prophet-e17-illume.png is enlightenment
[19:28] <MartijnVdS> Lots of Xblah
[19:29] <ali1234> well, quite
[19:29] <Azelphur> it's not /amazing/  but it'd be perfectly fine for a phone, if I was going to make a "Ubuntu" phone, that's probably where I'd start
[19:29] <cliftonts> jacobw2: omgubuntu.co.uk feature mock ups sometimes
[19:29] <popey> Azelphur, I'd imagine you'd enjoy an ubuntu phone, one that runs python etc :)
[19:29] <Azelphur> popey: I would, I already mess about in python with android
[19:29] <Aivaras> Symbian can run python so... :D
[19:30] <ali1234> symbian is best phone
[19:30] <ali1234> it had python before android even existed
[19:30] <cliftonts> Can I just say the careers page on ubuntu.com is a pain in the @!~#
[19:30] <ali1234> and before windows mobile had it too
[19:30] <Azelphur> http://blog.gustavobarbieri.com.br/tag/imx31/ this is a pretty cool photo :D
[19:30] <jacobw2> mocks ups aren't usable :)
[19:30] <popey> cliftonts, how so?
[19:30] <Azelphur> Linux + Enlightenment on all the phones!
[19:30] <Aivaras> and battery works for a week :D
[19:30] <ali1234> tizen uses e17
[19:31] <cliftonts> popey: it tells you that you can log in to check back on your application, but how do you log in?
[19:31]  * jacobw2 remembers the ideas for kde4 section of kde-look and the topaz section of gnome-look
[19:31] <ali1234> Azelphur: get a tizen phone (lol)
[19:31] <popey> cliftonts, username/password field at the bottom
[19:31] <Azelphur> ali1234: cool
[19:31] <cliftonts> popey: every time I do I end up applying for yet another job I could never do!
[19:31] <jacobw2> e17 would not be good on a phone
[19:31] <cliftonts> popey: I don't see one unless I'm looking at a job, and then it adds me to that job!
[19:31] <Azelphur> it'd be usable, it wouldn't be as good as android
[19:31] <christel> Pendulum: just to prove that everyone bar me are incompetent i got my first gas/electricity bill at the new house today... thought 790 quid was a tad steep for 2 months... picked up the phone to call them.. turns out they are billing me for my neighbours house.. "human error" meant that when i called to open the account they selected the wrong address in their drop-down menu! \o/
[19:31] <Azelphur> but I think it could be with improvement
[19:32] <popey> cliftonts, it doesn't apply, it just adds to a list of jobs you're interested in
[19:32] <Azelphur> christel: shh, don't tell them and annoy your neighbours until they move out, then free electric forever.
[19:32] <cliftonts> popey: It could work a tad better than that. What if I'm trying to log in without adding jobs to the list?
[19:32] <popey> sure
[19:33] <popey> I'll pass on your feedback
[19:33] <christel> Azelphur: see... i don't want to pay for my neighbours electricity.. :P they appear to be the ones with free leccy as their account had been closed :P
[19:33] <Pendulum> christel: wow, that's ridiculous
[19:33] <cliftonts> popey: The service analyst job is mine!! Pass that on too
[19:33] <Azelphur> christel: haha
[19:33] <cliftonts> popey: It's 100% me but I doubt they'll want me to be honest
[19:33] <christel> the bills go to me @ my address for "gas and electricity supplied to a different address" -- if i could read i probably would have noticed that it stated on the bill that it was for a different property! :o
[19:33] <ali1234> ridiculous is when the water company tried to bill me £800 for metered water usage even though i didn't have a meter
[19:34] <christel> haha i was pondering getting a meter installed as they insist It Will Be Cheaper than their "based on rateable value" charge
[19:35] <christel> my annual water bill jumped from 280 pa to 450 pa when i moved! :(
[19:35] <ali1234> this was for 3 months
[19:35] <christel> (alternatively i shall leave all my taps on all the time so that i feel i am using much more water than before)
[19:35] <christel> woha!
[19:36] <christel> i have recently become painfully aware of how much more expensive * is at the new house -- council tax increased by a grand!
[19:36] <christel> grmbl!
[19:36] <ali1234> i never paid them. they gave up after they sent out two engineers, neither of whom could find the meter
[19:36] <dwatkins> christel: are you in a house twice the size? I'm surprised at the council tax increase.
[19:36] <christel> or in christelmaths "many pairs of shoes more expensive"
[19:36] <christel> dwatkins: no :(
[19:36] <christel> i wish i was
[19:36] <dwatkins> different area, christel?
[19:37] <popey> you've moved to spendyville haven't you?
[19:37] <christel> same number of bedrooms though went from a semi-detached property in a not so nice area of farnham to a detached house in The Countryside (same council)
[19:37] <christel> popey: mm beacon hill
[19:37] <Aivaras> Guys, if you sare flat/house with student do you still need to pay council tax?
[19:37] <ali1234> yes
[19:38] <ali1234> but you might get a discount
[19:38] <Aivaras> it does not matter if its england or scotland?
[19:38] <ali1234> i dunno
[19:38] <ali1234> i don't know anything abut scotland
[19:39] <christel> popey: i didn't really expect it to be much more 'spensive than farnham just because i now technically live in "surrey hills" and have hindhead golf club within throwing distance :x
[19:39] <ali1234> ring the council or citizen's advice
[19:39] <popey> near golf course generally == more spendy
[19:41] <Aivaras> ali1234: I will be in UK (scotland) just from this september :)
[19:41] <christel> when i grow up i want more countrysidey with acres and acres and acres of land and noooo neighbours -- however, i need to make lots more money first *and* magically make vast amounts of land appear in this country (i might bomb somewhere!)
[19:43]  * christel nods dreamingly
[19:43] <jacobw2> urban > rural
[19:43] <christel> see i dont like people :(
[19:44] <christel> (they scare me)
[19:44] <Aivaras> christel: think about internet before moving to nowhere :D
[19:44] <cliftonts> eh?
[19:44] <christel> Aivaras: ah yes, that is one of the things i had to majorly compromise on when we moved out here -- i now have painfully slow internet :)
[19:44] <christel> and nil mobile coverage
[19:44] <zleap> yeah whikle on summer camp there was no internet during a power cut and it was remote so no phone signals
[19:45] <jacobw2> i think cities are full of people who don't like people
[19:45] <Pendulum> christel: you don't even like me? :(
[19:45] <christel> Pendulum: oh but you're not people, you're amaZING
[19:45] <zleap> its kinda nice being out in the wilderness
[19:45] <Aivaras> Then I was living in flat I had 100 mbps line, now I have some wireless 4G crap that works how ever it wants and maximum speed is like 5 mbps :D
[19:45] <christel> (i don't really not like people, i just don't like them er, next door!) or something
[19:45] <ali1234> what does Ubuntu TV actually do, currently?
[19:46] <ali1234> if i have a dvb receiver does it use it to get listings and record things?
[19:46]  * bigcalm flops back into the office
[19:46]  * Pendulum hugs christel 
[19:46] <cliftonts> ali1234: look awesome in demos I think, tha'ts about it
[19:46] <Aivaras> ali1234: yes
[19:47]  * bigcalm hugs christel \o/
[19:47]  * christel hugs BigRedS 
[19:47] <christel> er oops
[19:47] <bigcalm> :O
[19:47]  * christel hugs bigcalm too
[19:47] <bigcalm> Phew
[19:47] <christel> (luckily BigRedS is very huggable!)
[19:47] <bigcalm> Though I would have accepted bigclam
[19:47] <christel> hehe
[19:47] <jacobw2> circle of friends hug
[19:48] <christel> circle of friends hug \o/
[19:48]  * zleap has £14.95 collected from aluminium cans,  (taken a few years though)
[19:49] <Aivaras> Scumbag dvb reciever finds Discovery Science chanel that I can't watch because its coded
[19:49] <christel> it took me years to get used to not returning bottles/cans etc for money after moving to the uk (back home you get paid a small amount for returning bottles/cans for recycling)
[19:50] <Aivaras> where you were living?
[19:50] <bigcalm> That used to happen in the UK as well
[19:50] <christel> Aivaras: norway :)
[19:50] <brobostigon> they do it in germany aswell, and denmark.
[19:50] <bigcalm> And Finland
[19:51] <bigcalm> So, sensible countries do it
[19:51] <christel> it's like 10p for a 0.5l bottle and 25p for a 1.5 litre bottle etc, so not massive amounts but a decent encouragement for recycling i guess
[19:51] <bigcalm> People listen to monety
[19:51] <bigcalm> -t
[19:52] <christel> apparently 95% of bottles and 94% of cans are being returned for recycling
[19:52] <zleap> ohh
[19:52] <zleap> i can take mine to the local metal recycling place,  and get paid for em, per kilo
[19:52] <christel> clever!
[19:52] <zleap> yeah
[19:53] <zleap> so every 6 months I usually take a big bag or two of cans
[19:53] <zleap> so 4 years i guess and I ahve collected nearly £15
[19:54] <Pendulum> in the US it gets complicated because it varies by state. It can get very complicated
[19:54] <zleap> hmm
[19:54] <zleap> it needs to be simple or people won't do it,
[19:55] <zleap> most people don't have time to mess around with stuff if they are busy
[19:56] <Aivaras> In lithuania we pay get money from glass bottles only
[19:56] <Pendulum> some states give nothing for bottle & can returns, some give a little for certain cans and bottles (mostly non-glass ones), and then some states do it for more types of cans/bottles and usually give a little bit more money (we're taking the difference between $0.05 and $0.10)
[19:57] <Aivaras> its like 0.12 GBP for every 0.5l bootle
[19:57] <zleap> in canada you can put cans in a receptical on garbage cans and the homeless can then pick up and get deposit back
[19:57] <zleap> otherwise there are garbage cans with different sections cans,  plastic, general etc
[19:58] <Pendulum> if you look at bottles and cans in the US they're all labeled on what states you can return it for a deposit and how much you can get from those states
[19:58] <zleap> cool
[19:58] <zleap> thing is aluminium prces vary
[20:00] <directhex> Laney, ?
[20:00] <Aivaras> Then I was in croatia it was strange thing with glass botless, you can get deposit back only in shop you buy that bootle :D
[20:00] <Pendulum> Aivaras: in the US it's supposed to work that way, but I've never seen it enforced
[20:00] <zleap> yeah i have heard of that too,
[20:01] <zleap> i have my recipts for the past few years so i can track how aluminum prices ahve changed
[20:01] <zleap> have
[20:01] <christel> ooh that is curious
[20:01] <Aivaras> then you buy bottles, you get special ticket. Without that ticket you will not get your deposit.
[20:01] <christel> hehe have you "scrapped" the metal for a long time zleap ? :)
[20:01] <zleap> well i can collect cans for 6 months,
[20:02] <zleap> then take em in
[20:02] <zleap> 2 sacks usually (usualy charity bags that get put through the door)
[20:02] <zleap> i am £6 from another Raspberry PI :)
[20:05] <zleap> i should make some aqua regia up and drop some of these old PCB boards in to remvoe the gold
[20:05] <zleap> * zleap isn't going to for safety reasons of course
[20:05] <zleap> pasted here as i typed thsat in wrong channel
[20:06] <Aivaras> weechat says that I have lag of 14 seconds. Really? :D
[20:06] <zleap> hmm
[20:06] <Aivaras> and no more lag :D
[20:08] <bigcalm> !ping
[20:08] <Aivaras> :D
[20:08] <bigcalm> Sigh indeed
[20:15] <wayne___> has anybody found any cool uses for a Pi around the home?
[20:15] <wayne___> besides webserver, etc
[20:15] <Aivaras> wayne___: in home? no
[20:16] <Aivaras> In car, yes. :)
[20:16] <wayne___> a car?
[20:16] <Aivaras> yeah :)
[20:16] <wayne___> pls explain
[20:16] <Aivaras> GPS, TV, reading stuff from cars computer
[20:16] <Aivaras> music
[20:17] <wayne___> damm wrong button
[20:48] <bigcalm> Hum, never noticed that popey was here
[21:16] <dogmatic69> anyone into photography + ubuntu? looking for decent apps I should have installed
[21:16] <ali1234> what kind of apps?
[21:16] <ali1234> like cataloguing, editing?
[21:16] <dogmatic69> both :)
[21:16] <dogmatic69> and RAW
[21:17] <dogmatic69> NEF especially (its a Nikon)
[21:17] <ali1234> gimp is the only serious editor
[21:17] <ali1234> for browsing you are probably best off with whatever is default now
[21:17] <dogmatic69> I used UFRaw before. Cant remeber what I had because I cant see the thumbs of the raw anymore
[21:17] <dogmatic69> after 10.10 -> 12.04
[21:19] <ali1234> the only type of raw i know anything about is raster RGB, YUV etc
[21:23] <dogmatic69> ali1234: what you use for cataloguing?
[21:23] <ali1234> nothing
[21:23] <dogmatic69> ah
[21:24] <ali1234> i just memorise the location of every file on my hd
[21:24] <dogmatic69> I was thinking just folders pics/year/month/...
[21:25] <dogmatic69> ali1234: you must have either a very small hdd or a enormous brain :D
[22:02] <christel> Pendulum is very sizeist when it comes to snakes!
[22:07] <christel> \o/
[22:08] <AlanBell> that isn't a snake, this is a snake __________________.
[22:12] <Azelphur> did we all hear that L4D2 prebuilds run on Linux faster than Windows?
[22:12] <Azelphur> to be expected, but awesome to see it actually happen
[22:15] <christel> AlanBell: i say, i think that might be too thin for Pendulum
[22:26] <directhex> Azelphur, most interesting: windows port of optimized linux opengl port faster than original d3d version
[22:27] <Azelphur> directhex: yea, I saw that too xD
[22:27] <ali1234> yes, that *is* interesting
[22:27] <ali1234> but you know, you don't need 1 trillion polygons to make good graphics
[22:29] <Azelphur> Anyone know if there's a way to make Linux super aggressive with caching?
[22:29] <Azelphur> I have 13GB of ram totally unused
[22:29] <ali1234> yeah set swappiness 100
[22:29] <ali1234> i only have 3GB free
[22:30] <Azelphur> http://pastebin.com/bpv8E3Sf \o/
[22:30] <ali1234> yeah mine's about the same
[22:30] <hamitron> isn't swappiness more to do with the swapping out of memory?
[22:30] <Azelphur> good point
[22:30] <ali1234> yes
[22:31] <ali1234> anyway it won't cache if you don't do anything
[22:31] <Azelphur> don't wanna swap out memory (I don't even have swap on) xD
[22:31] <ali1234> i actually used a bit more cache than you
[22:31] <ali1234> 8GB
[22:33] <Azelphur> fun
[22:39] <ali1234> oh wow, complex splines
[22:39] <ali1234> as if real splines weren't complex enough
[22:39] <directhex> i'm clearly a pauper for only having 6G RAM
[22:39] <directhex> i could double it...
[22:40] <ali1234> "Moreover, we show that they approximately satisfy the lower bound of the Heisenberg uncertainty principle and thus converge to optimally time–frequency local-ized functions."
[22:41] <ali1234> i'm not sure if they are serious after that
[22:46] <Azelphur> directhex: hehe I had 12 but my friends dad went out and bought new ram of the same specs for no reason
[22:46] <Azelphur> so he sold me the old ram cheap
[22:47] <directhex> Azelphur, i only have 6 slots
[22:48] <Azelphur> me too, 4GB in each slot
[22:48] <directhex> 6G was a lot when i built this PC :<
[22:49] <hamitron> even I have 8GB directhex, and I lag behind the times ;)
[22:49] <Azelphur> hehe, ram is just too cheap now
[22:49] <directhex> until the next earthquake
[22:49] <Azelphur> perhaps you can use this to buy something http://imgur.com/r/pics/AAz9J
[22:50] <directhex> hamitron, when i built this, everyone had 4G systems. core i3/5/7 were brand new
[22:50] <hamitron> :))
[22:50] <hamitron> silly to upgrade for the sake of it I suppose
[22:51] <Azelphur> I built my machine and then sandy bridge was announced 3 days after
[22:51] <Azelphur> :<
[22:51] <directhex> Azelphur, heh
[22:51] <directhex> i'm on a bloomfield core cpu here
[22:51] <hamitron> :)
[22:52] <hamitron> I got 1st gen i3 when 2nd gen was out, because of that bug in chipsets with the sata
[22:53]  * Seeker` has 16GB RAM on his Sandybridge-E
[22:53] <directhex> the cost of a cpu upgrade for me is INSANE.
[22:54] <directhex> go on, look up the price of a socket 1366 cpu. any one faster than the i7 920
[22:54] <directhex> either a core i7-9xx or xeon w35xx
[22:54] <PyjamaSpank> how do I slide only the open windows/programs when I change workspace, and not folders/icons/docky?
[22:55] <PyjamaSpank> I'm using CCSM
[22:59] <ali1234> it will be some kind of window hint that docky is supposed to set
[23:00] <PyjamaSpank> I think it is a CCSM setting, it was possibly broken when I updated to Unity
[23:01] <ali1234> maybe...
[23:02] <ali1234> i think i still works in 0.9 but i could be wrong
[23:03] <PyjamaSpank> ali1234, found the solution, CCSM/viewport switching/non sliding windows - "type=Dock | type=Desktop | state=Sticky"
[23:03] <PyjamaSpank> thanks for your help
[23:03] <ali1234> ah yeah
[23:03] <ali1234> probably changed defaults?
[23:04] <PyjamaSpank> ali1234, when they introduced unity, I stopped updating, then when I finally did, it broke, now I need to do compiz --replace each startup
[23:04] <ali1234> heh
[23:04] <ali1234> i downgraded to compiz 0.8 and no problems any more
[23:11] <ali1234> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXvsl8xgRxc&feature=g-u-u
[23:12] <Azelphur> ali1234: yea, soreau always says downgrade to 0.8 and that 0.9 is bad :P
[23:20] <Seeker`> directhex: I upgraded my i7 920. Got a Socket 2011 mobo.
[23:20] <Azelphur> :)
[23:21] <directhex> Seeker`, i'm not trapping myself in another enthusiast-only socket. too expensive.
[23:21] <Seeker`> directhex: ivybridge-e will be socket 2011 too
[23:22] <Seeker`> the problem is that non-enthusiast sockets last for just as long
[23:22] <directhex> yeah, but you can ebay the chips for less a few years later
[23:22] <ali1234> i don't think i;ve ever upgraded CPU without buying a new motherboard
[23:23] <Seeker`> ali1234: me neither
[23:23] <hamitron> I did on my first comp
[23:23] <hamitron> but figured out then it was a waste
[23:23]  * Seeker` got a new mobo, CPU, RAM
[23:23] <Seeker`> and upgraded my GPU from an ATI 5870 to an nvidia 670
[23:23] <ali1234> maybe i have actually. i usuallykeep computers so long that someone gives me a better CPU for free
[23:24] <ali1234> but i don't think that really counts
[23:24] <hamitron> getting a new cpu and motherboard, "justifies" hoarding more and more machines ;)
[23:24] <Seeker`> heh
[23:25] <directhex> i've been given cpu upgrades before
[23:26] <directhex> i *want* a cpu upgrade right now, but can't afford it - either i need a mobo && cpu upgrade for ~£400, or a bloomfield upgrade for ~£400. don't want to spend >£200
[23:26]  * hamitron is trying to work out if he just lacks friends, or if his friends are tight
[23:26] <Seeker`> hamitron: I think its the former for me :P
[23:26]  * hamitron offers Seeker` a p120
[23:27] <hamitron> hell, I'll include a mobo too
[23:27] <hamitron> feeling better? ;)
[23:27]  * Seeker` has a dell optiplex from popey actually
[23:27] <hamitron> stop moaning then :)
[23:28] <hamitron> tbh, I really need to use this raspberry pi
[23:28] <hamitron> seems ok, and it could save so much space if I upgrade some old machines to these
[23:28] <Seeker`> heh
[23:28] <Seeker`> could do with moving my irssi client off of my mythtv backend
[23:45] <Azelphur> anyone know how to allow root (on my machine) to connect to root (on my remote machine) using ssh keys?
[23:45] <Azelphur> I can't rememberh ow it's done D:
[23:47] <hamitron> in /etc/ssh/sshd_config?
[23:48] <directhex> Azelphur, enable the root account, enable remote root login, add pubkey to /root/.ssh/authorized_keys on remote?
[23:52] <dwatkins> I worked with someone once who pronounced 'ssh' like 'shush', it was very disconcerting hearing them talk about 'shushing into a server'.
[23:52] <Azelphur> haha
[23:58] <Azelphur> directhex: don't I have to type a command to get sshd to realise that I've added it to authorized_keys?
[23:58] <directhex> no
[23:58] <Azelphur> oh, fun
[23:58] <Azelphur> yay, it works