| === chrispluns is now known as binarymutant | ||
| binarymutant | I can't get smaller than 2Gb for my complete DE | 02:24 |
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| binarymutant | :/ | 02:24 |
| wrst | binarymutant: i'm trying out the latest arch iso, its not so bad | 02:25 |
| binarymutant | I'm back on arch lol | 02:26 |
| wrst | that didn't take long | 02:26 |
| binarymutant | yeah | 02:26 |
| wrst | binarymutant: i love debian great for servers but debian testing isn't a true rolling release its just that testing and at times packages aren't complete/available etc etc | 02:26 |
| binarymutant | they install too much on their minimal iso too | 02:27 |
| wrst | but their point is a more "complete" solution i think | 02:27 |
| binarymutant | that's true | 02:28 |
| wrst | i don't think debian is the stuff for users like us on the desktop, now on the server that's a whole 'nother animal :) | 02:28 |
| binarymutant | I'd agree with that, they're very stable | 02:28 |
| wrst | a rolling ubuntu release would be the cat's meow probably more for us | 02:28 |
| binarymutant | but I was missing Arch :P | 02:28 |
| wrst | yeah i have considered others but I must say i do miss banging my head against the wall when something doesn't work correctly | 02:28 |
| binarymutant | yeah lol | 02:29 |
| wrst | i am trying the new installer in a vm going to see if i can get it to work ok there | 02:29 |
| binarymutant | what installer? | 02:29 |
| wrst | hmm good point | 02:29 |
| wrst | whatever you call it :) | 02:29 |
| wrst | the released a new iso today | 02:29 |
| binarymutant | yeah I saw the new one, comes with zsh | 02:30 |
| wrst | or yesterday one i think it is a little easier than the old one and has forced me to learn how to use fdisk since i'm doing it in a vm and really didn't want to fool with a gparted live disk first | 02:30 |
| binarymutant | fdisk isn't bad, neither is cfdisk | 02:30 |
| binarymutant | makes you a little more cautious if you don't want to format a partition though | 02:31 |
| binarymutant | <-- always crosses fingers | 02:31 |
| binarymutant | I always won't touch the partition that I don't want to get formatted, and just fstab it after the installation | 02:34 |
| wrst | well i got everything except grub figured out | 02:43 |
| binarymutant | you have to figure out grub? | 02:46 |
| binarymutant | like editing it at boot? or menu.1st | 02:47 |
| binarymutant | *.lst | 02:47 |
| chris4585 | binarymutant, I knew you'd be back lol | 02:50 |
| binarymutant | lol | 02:50 |
| chris4585 | I like how we're mostly arch dominate users in here | 02:51 |
| binarymutant | ikr | 02:51 |
| binarymutant | in an ubuntu channel | 02:51 |
| chris4585 | I think we should be more #linux-tn-us | 02:51 |
| chris4585 | lol | 02:51 |
| chris4585 | I was reading the above ^ I personally like gparted because I know how to use it, one benefit of archbang, or ubuntu | 02:52 |
| binarymutant | gparted rules | 02:53 |
| binarymutant | I tried archbang it was pretty cool | 02:53 |
| binarymutant | until I updated that is | 02:53 |
| chris4585 | that reminds me.. I really had to get down and dirty with grub last time I installed it, I have arch + pae, arch 32bit, and both recovery, winders and linux mint all setup by hand in there menu.lst | 02:53 |
| chris4585 | binarymutant, lol yeah you will run into the glib thing | 02:54 |
| binarymutant | and /var/run | 02:54 |
| binarymutant | couldn't get it to work | 02:54 |
| chris4585 | I don't think I ran into the /var/run problem, I don't recall it | 02:54 |
| binarymutant | I had the latest iso but yeah didn't work | 02:55 |
| binarymutant | had to use the normal arch iso | 02:55 |
| binarymutant | but archbang was super cool | 02:55 |
| chris4585 | yeah, only reason I even decided to go back to arch a few months ago was because it automatically supported my graphics tablet ootb | 02:57 |
| chris4585 | wasn't the only reason... but archbang made the decision easier | 02:57 |
| binarymutant | I can't believe how much space my DE uses, it's like I can't get it under 2Gb | 03:01 |
| chris4585 | o.O | 03:02 |
| chris4585 | dwm? | 03:02 |
| binarymutant | yeah | 03:02 |
| binarymutant | and a bunch of other suckless.org stuff | 03:02 |
| chris4585 | you mean your whole install? | 03:02 |
| binarymutant | yeah the whole thing | 03:02 |
| chris4585 | oh okay | 03:02 |
| chris4585 | I was about to say isn't dwm like 2mb tops? lol | 03:03 |
| binarymutant | 36k | 03:03 |
| chris4585 | pft, my install is like.. 5gbs? | 03:03 |
| binarymutant | but xorg is ~100mb, and webkit is another 100mb | 03:03 |
| chris4585 | ah I was going to say something like 600kb but I really had no idea | 03:04 |
| binarymutant | du -sch /usr/bin/openbox | 03:04 |
| binarymutant | it should be under 1mb | 03:04 |
| chris4585 | well you don't need the entirety of xorg, just the drivers you use, I'm just lazy and have all of xorg | 03:04 |
| binarymutant | I just got what I needed, it was still around 100mb | 03:04 |
| chris4585 | ah gotcha | 03:04 |
| binarymutant | would have been around 200mb if I got all | 03:05 |
| chris4585 | there is probably several cache folders I could clear though | 03:05 |
| binarymutant | dev tools were around 100mb... it was just like 100mb after 100mb all the way up to 2Gb | 03:06 |
| binarymutant | good thinking, I cleared the pacman cache and it dropped me under 2gb | 03:11 |
| chris4585 | my /usr/lib/xorg only takes up 70mbs | 03:12 |
| chris4585 | lol | 03:12 |
| chris4585 | I'm not sure if that is the entirety of xorg | 03:12 |
| binarymutant | 32mb here | 03:13 |
| binarymutant | so it probably is the entirety | 03:13 |
| chris4585 | are you using disk usage analyzer? | 03:15 |
| chris4585 | Baobab | 03:15 |
| chris4585 | its pretty good for scanning the whole system for large files / dirs | 03:16 |
| binarymutant | my fav is ncdu | 03:16 |
| chris4585 | never heard of it | 03:17 |
| binarymutant | never heard of yours either :P | 03:17 |
| chris4585 | haha | 03:17 |
| chris4585 | lol | 03:17 |
| chris4585 | I looked it up looks pretty good | 03:17 |
| binarymutant | yours is cool with the circle graph | 03:18 |
| chris4585 | that is one reason I do like it | 03:18 |
| binarymutant | google chrome is eating my ram | 03:20 |
| chris4585 | tell me about it, it can use 2.5gbs when I have like 40 tabs open | 03:21 |
| binarymutant | im at 700mb with just 2 tabs :/ | 03:23 |
| binarymutant | that's everything though | 03:24 |
| binarymutant | not just chrome | 03:24 |
| chris4585 | I think on first boot I use either 200 or 300mbs which isn't bad, I don't ever have just one tab up though so if I could guess it would probably be 500mbs | 03:26 |
| binarymutant | thats just way to much | 03:26 |
| chris4585 | I'm okay with that though because I have all the ram it can eat | 03:29 |
| chris4585 | not trying to show off or anything, but I wish I had a little bit more cpu power... | 03:30 |
| chris4585 | http://imgur.com/a/Veg5B | 03:31 |
| binarymutant | that's waay to much for me | 03:32 |
| binarymutant | your using more ram than I have available lol | 03:33 |
| chris4585 | lol | 03:33 |
| binarymutant | also four cpu's?? | 03:33 |
| chris4585 | I just don't like it when flash makes my cpu go near 40c, which isn't too often because html5 <3 | 03:34 |
| chris4585 | yeah 3ghz phenom II 4x | 03:34 |
| binarymutant | :O | 03:34 |
| chris4585 | my brother has the 2600k i7 | 03:34 |
| chris4585 | :| | 03:34 |
| chris4585 | image how jealous I am of that | 03:34 |
| chris4585 | lol | 03:34 |
| binarymutant | :O | 03:34 |
| chris4585 | he does video editing and rendering is amazing with the onboard hd graphics he has | 03:35 |
| chris4585 | which is why his computer was like $670 with shipping with no graphics card | 03:36 |
| binarymutant | oh | 03:36 |
| binarymutant | I'm on the other end of the digital divide lol :P | 03:36 |
| binarymutant | <- $0 | 03:37 |
| chris4585 | :< at least you have a computer, I can't tell you how long I've had crappy computers before this year | 03:38 |
| binarymutant | crapp computers run my setup real good | 03:38 |
| chris4585 | well my last computer I had like 6 years wasn't really crappy but not beast like this one.. | 03:38 |
| binarymutant | one day I'll have what you have lol :P | 03:40 |
| binarymutant | give me another 5 years | 03:40 |
| chris4585 | lol | 03:40 |
| binarymutant | http://www.dell.com/us/dfb/p/latitude-d630/pd is what I'm on | 03:41 |
| binarymutant | that's weird it doesn't say the cpu | 03:42 |
| chris4585 | that isn't that bad, when my old computer died I had to setup my laptop as a desktop... it was fun | 03:44 |
| chris4585 | surprisingly it worked better than my older desktop | 03:44 |
| binarymutant | yeah | 03:45 |
| binarymutant | laptop > desktop | 03:45 |
| binarymutant | I don't even know what I would do with all that power you have | 03:45 |
| chris4585 | I have the inspiron series that came with ubuntu default back when they had that going on | 03:45 |
| binarymutant | this 6 year old laptop does it all already | 03:45 |
| chris4585 | lol | 03:46 |
| chris4585 | I do heavy youtube surfing... but I can have 60 tabs open with my cpu at a nice 34c | 03:46 |
| chris4585 | thanks to html5 | 03:46 |
| chris4585 | I say flash killed my last computer by running hot and blowing a capacitor... | 03:47 |
| binarymutant | 60 tabs is way too much | 03:47 |
| chris4585 | never run flash while asleep | 03:47 |
| binarymutant | lol | 03:47 |
| chris4585 | I learned my lesson | 03:47 |
| binarymutant | 60 tabs of flash, I can believe tha | 03:49 |
| binarymutant | that* | 03:49 |
| chris4585 | actually it was sleeping with google call / video | 03:50 |
| binarymutant | hm | 03:50 |
| binarymutant | flash isn't that bad for me | 03:51 |
| binarymutant | ~30% cpu | 03:51 |
| chris4585 | I think it was the driver possibly for my camera | 03:51 |
| binarymutant | ooh | 03:51 |
| chris4585 | somehow my computer heated up | 03:51 |
| chris4585 | I'm glad it happened though... | 03:51 |
| chris4585 | made me learn more about computers while doing research | 03:52 |
| binarymutant | http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1042700/dell-laptop-explodes-japanese-conference | 03:56 |
| chris4585 | that isn't good | 03:57 |
| chris4585 | you know I rarely use a laptop on my lap.. usually on a stool or desk | 03:59 |
| binarymutant | your heated computer made me remember that | 03:59 |
| chris4585 | ah, yeah since then I monitor my temp like a hawk and notice when I *NEED* to kill something or give it a break | 04:00 |
| chris4585 | one reason I love the winter.. | 04:00 |
| chris4585 | wb | 04:06 |
| chris4585 | <chris4585> ah, yeah since then I monitor my temp like a hawk and notice when I *NEED* to kill something or give it a break | 04:06 |
| chris4585 | <chris4585> one reason I love the winter.. | 04:06 |
| chris4585 | I obsess over my cpu temp a little bit and always try to have good air flow in my room | 04:06 |
| binarymutant | stoopid wifi | 04:12 |
| chris4585 | :/ | 04:27 |
| Unit193 | Stupid network, just got killed for having too many connections, 3. | 04:37 |
| chris4585 | freenode allows three? | 04:54 |
| chris4585 | icq only allows 2 :| | 04:54 |
| Unit193 | Not freenode, but turns out server didn't respond to ping so one tried to reconnect. | 04:55 |
| Unit193 | Freenode allows more than 5. | 04:55 |
| chris4585 | ah | 04:55 |
| Unit193 | So annoying. | 04:55 |
| chris4585 | watching nasa livestream | 05:16 |
| Unit193 | Yep, just turned it on. | 05:16 |
| jfenn2199 | morning all | 12:24 |
| wrst | mornign jfenn2199 | 12:27 |
| jfenn2199 | how goes wrst | 12:28 |
| xTEMPLARx | peek-a-boo! | 13:10 |
| wrst | howdy xTEMPLARx | 13:12 |
| jfenn2199 | how goes xTEMPLARx | 13:15 |
| wrst | oh and jfenn2199 all is well how are you? | 13:22 |
| xTEMPLARx | heya wrst and jfenn | 13:34 |
| alyawn | morning, all | 13:34 |
| xTEMPLARx | so far so good in K-town | 13:34 |
| xTEMPLARx | heya al | 13:34 |
| xTEMPLARx | is it al | 13:34 |
| xTEMPLARx | or aly | 13:34 |
| xTEMPLARx | :D | 13:34 |
| alyawn | it's alan, but you can say al :) | 13:34 |
| alyawn | sorry to disappoint :) | 13:35 |
| xTEMPLARx | that works for me | 13:37 |
| xTEMPLARx | no disappointment at all, as I'm a married fella | 13:37 |
| wrst | I'm watching the coverage from the mars lander last night I don't think those nasa computers were using windows that they were showing but the video was grainy | 13:38 |
| alyawn | yeah, I can imagine they would want to compress that before sending | 13:44 |
| alyawn | it has a few miles to travel | 13:44 |
| alyawn | oh.. you probably mean the video of them using their computers... ignore me | 13:45 |
| alyawn | coffee has yet to kick in | 13:45 |
| xTEMPLARx | did somebody say coffee? | 13:56 |
| wrst | yuck coffee... nooo | 14:14 |
| alyawn | wha??? those words.... can they even be used in a sentence together | 14:15 |
| xTEMPLARx | you mean you've never had yuck coffee? | 14:15 |
| xTEMPLARx | i have | 14:15 |
| xTEMPLARx | mcdonalds is a good example | 14:15 |
| xTEMPLARx | imo | 14:15 |
| wrst | coffee makes me think of muddy water hot muddy water, in both look and taste | 14:15 |
| xTEMPLARx | the coffee the boss makes here | 14:15 |
| xTEMPLARx | well, its yuck | 14:15 |
| xTEMPLARx | wrst: you haven't had good coffee yet then :D | 14:16 |
| alyawn | yes.. yuck is simply one of the more popular flavors of coffee | 14:16 |
| alyawn | it's better if it's not filtered through a dirty gym sock | 14:16 |
| xTEMPLARx | I wouldn't say popular so much as common | 14:24 |
| alyawn | good point | 14:33 |
| wrst | binarymutant: wb | 15:39 |
| binarymutant | ty ty | 15:40 |
| binarymutant | about to leave soon though | 15:40 |
| wrst | binarymutant: i got an arch install in a vm... only problem i never got grub right, i can reboot throught the live disk and chroot into my install i have a wee bit more learning it appears | 15:41 |
| wrst | wb elijah-mbp | 15:41 |
| binarymutant | hmm what's your menu.lst look like? | 15:44 |
| binarymutant | actually hold off on that for tonight, i gtg | 15:44 |
| binarymutant | later | 15:44 |
| wrst | its grub2 binarymutant i gots no menu.lst :) | 15:44 |
| wrst | later binarymutant | 15:44 |
| xTEMPLARx | wrst: I used the syslinux boot option on my arch in-a-vm | 15:50 |
| xTEMPLARx | it boots just fine | 15:50 |
| wrst | hmm ok i need to check that out xTEMPLARx | 15:50 |
| xTEMPLARx | I tinkered with putting x and gnome on, but haven't gotten that functional just yet | 15:51 |
| xTEMPLARx | keep in mind I used syslinux just because it was the only one I configured. no other reason than chance that I didn't attempt grub | 15:51 |
| wrst | xTEMPLARx: my problems was also with the docs, it give instructions on doing the install of a bootloader then after i did that it makes a note to be sure you are chrooted into the system :) | 15:51 |
| xTEMPLARx | doh! | 15:51 |
| wrst | xTEMPLARx: getting x up and going with a desktop is super easy | 15:51 |
| wrst | i am just feeling my way around the new installer before i put it on a real system and pull my hair out in the process | 15:52 |
| elijah-mbp | aiee, my machine decided to shut itself down while i was outside on the phone. stupid mountain lion energy saver crap.... | 15:56 |
| wrst | ha ha elijah-mbp i must say that is one thing that severly ticks me off with my wife's mac no real non-hackish way to change a lot of those settigns | 16:03 |
| wrst | i like for my laptop to stay awake when i shut the lid since i'm likely just moving to a better spot on the couch | 16:03 |
| elijah-mbp | wrst: i wish one of the linuxes had better runtime support for OSX apps ;) | 16:06 |
| wrst | elijah-mbp: i know it will ever happen but since linux and osx are cousins you would think there woudl be better support with something like wine , yet windows apps run on linux and osx apps don't | 16:09 |
| wrst | *wont ever happen | 16:09 |
| elijah-mbp | yep. there've been things like maconlinux that kind of work but they can't keep up. | 16:09 |
| elijah-mbp | i'd love to be able to run some of the stuff from the mac app store on ubuntu. | 16:09 |
| wrst | i needed to kill an unresponsive safari on my wife's laptop this weekend i called up a terminal couldn't locate the process id quickly so just typed xkill for fun, and you know what... it worked :) | 16:10 |
| Unit193 | jfenn2199: Well hey! | 17:54 |
| xTEMPLARx | =] | 18:22 |
| === pleia2_ is now known as pleia2 | ||
| wrst | xTEMPLARx: this is what 3 days in a row? | 19:58 |
| xTEMPLARx | wrst: no, this is abuse. | 20:34 |
| wrst | ha ha | 20:34 |
| xTEMPLARx | =] | 20:34 |
| xTEMPLARx | HELP! HELP! I'm being oppressed! | 20:35 |
| wrst | xTEMPLARx: i am so sorry | 20:59 |
| xTEMPLARx | :D | 21:02 |
| * Unit193 hits xTEMPLARx in the head | 21:07 | |
| Unit193 | No he isn't. | 21:07 |
| chris4585 | hey wrst, how are you today? | 21:10 |
| chris4585 | how is everyone else also | 21:11 |
| wrst | good chris4585, you? | 21:11 |
| chris4585 | same, I haven't really done much today though | 21:12 |
| wrst | nothing wrong with that if you can get away with it | 21:16 |
| xTEMPLARx | eek its past time to go home! | 21:19 |
| xTEMPLARx | off I go | 21:19 |
| xTEMPLARx | enjoy your evening, folks | 21:20 |
| chris4585 | yeah :) | 21:36 |
| chris4585 | reading engadget, windows 8 wont allow you to boot into the old desktop, which I figured was going to happen. Is it me or does microsoft want to be the next apple? locking things down so the dumb user doesn't get choices... | 21:38 |
| binarymutant | anybody okay with bash in here? | 22:21 |
| chris4585 | I'm okay not the best | 22:49 |
| chris4585 | whats up binarymutant? | 22:49 |
| chris4585 | usually I need a refresher on some things | 22:49 |
| binarymutant | http://sprunge.us/XjLc | 22:50 |
| binarymutant | ./.music: line 11: #ARTIST: command not found | 22:51 |
| binarymutant | and idk why | 22:51 |
| binarymutant | I guess it should be #{ARTIST} or maybe that's to Ruby of me... anyways it'll say that the artist is not found | 22:52 |
| binarymutant | nevermind I'm just going to redirect all the output to /dev/null | 22:55 |
| chris4585 | hrm, yeah I don't know either, I'm not an expert and I don't want to setup mpc lol | 22:56 |
| binarymutant | mpd is sweet | 22:56 |
| binarymutant | redirecting output to /dev/null made it all go away | 22:56 |
| chris4585 | nice | 22:56 |
| chris4585 | hrm, there was an ncurses media player I liked but can't remember the name.. | 22:57 |
| chris4585 | cmus I think | 22:57 |
| chris4585 | yeah | 22:57 |
| binarymutant | cmus is cool too, but I <3 mpd too much | 22:57 |
| binarymutant | I think I used cmus or the other console music player before finding mpd | 22:58 |
| chris4585 | I don't like to setup anything that has to 'connect' like mpc, so its just something I'll never experience | 22:59 |
| binarymutant | ah yeah | 22:59 |
| chris4585 | cmus was great, it just took a little while to get used to the keyboard shortcuts | 22:59 |
| chris4585 | for a while I had my laptop setup with inx | 22:59 |
| binarymutant | I'm always closing out Xorg though so I get to listen to music even if I close my play | 22:59 |
| binarymutant | player* | 22:59 |
| chris4585 | gotcha | 23:00 |
| chris4585 | so you can have gui frontend and console backend? | 23:00 |
| chris4585 | or do you even use a gui frontend? | 23:00 |
| binarymutant | you can, I just use mpc for scripts and ncmpcpp for ui | 23:01 |
| chris4585 | I'm sure its pretty awesome if I gave it a try, I'm just too lazy and love quodlibet too much | 23:01 |
| chris4585 | cool | 23:01 |
| binarymutant | but dwm isn't working with my keyboard shortcuts + music.sh script right now :/ and I can't figure out why | 23:01 |
| chris4585 | speaking of quodlibet, I just got an update for it o.o | 23:02 |
| chris4585 | that blows :/ | 23:02 |
| binarymutant | lol I'm afraid to update arch now :P | 23:02 |
| chris4585 | lol | 23:02 |
| chris4585 | I'm a little skeptical, but quodlibet on arch (not tested on anything else lately) can use my keyboard media keys while before it couldn't.. | 23:03 |
| binarymutant | ah I've got to set up those stoopid media keys too | 23:04 |
| binarymutant | grah | 23:04 |
| chris4585 | so it was a lovely surprise to see a feature that automatically worked without realizing it | 23:04 |
| binarymutant | you didn't have to figure out the XF86KEYBLAH keys? | 23:05 |
| chris4585 | nope | 23:07 |
| binarymutant | that's awesome | 23:07 |
| chris4585 | yeah, totem does that also and has for a long time, but I guess there is a framework that somehow does that automatically and I'm assuming quodlibet finally updated after forever | 23:08 |
| binarymutant | I don't think they change but I'm not sure | 23:08 |
| binarymutant | I think it's always like XF86KEYVOLUP or something | 23:09 |
| chris4585 | that looks foreign to me lol | 23:09 |
| binarymutant | omg I'm an idiot: I had to link that script to /usr/local/bin for it to work :/ | 23:11 |
| binarymutant | I was freaking | 23:12 |
| chris4585 | o.o | 23:12 |
| chris4585 | usually I put #!/bin/bash | 23:12 |
| binarymutant | yeah but it won't run unless it's in your path | 23:13 |
| chris4585 | ah | 23:13 |
| binarymutant | anyways those key codes are like this (just looked it up) XF86AudioLowerVolume | 23:13 |
| binarymutant | I was pretty close | 23:13 |
| chris4585 | ah | 23:14 |
| binarymutant | using dwm and stuff have made me memorize xorg stuff like that lol | 23:14 |
| chris4585 | lol | 23:15 |
| chris4585 | I know what I know until I run into a road block and have to figure it out | 23:15 |
| binarymutant | lol yeah | 23:15 |
| binarymutant | then it's off to google | 23:15 |
| chris4585 | I guess I'm kind of a lazy person, but I have arch which conflicts LOL | 23:15 |
| binarymutant | Arch can get real lazy - after setting everything up | 23:16 |
| chris4585 | yep | 23:17 |
| chris4585 | lol | 23:17 |
| chris4585 | once it is perfect, there is nothing else to do besides use it and update | 23:17 |
| binarymutant | omg I'm so happy to have all my key combos back | 23:17 |
| binarymutant | yeah | 23:17 |
| binarymutant | sudo pacman -Syu\n there is nothing to do | 23:18 |
| binarymutant | ^ lazy | 23:18 |
| chris4585 | I always run -Syyu | 23:18 |
| chris4585 | what does the n flag do? | 23:19 |
| binarymutant | \n is newline | 23:19 |
| chris4585 | ah | 23:19 |
| binarymutant | looks like this: | 23:19 |
| binarymutant | pacman -Syu | 23:19 |
| binarymutant | there is nothing to do | 23:19 |
| chris4585 | yep, when pacman tells me there is nothing to do, you know you're bored.... | 23:19 |
| binarymutant | lol | 23:19 |
| binarymutant | so true | 23:19 |
| wrst | binarymutant: quesion: did you install grub2 when you reinstalled arch? | 23:36 |
| binarymutant | idk I don't pay attention to the bootloader :/ | 23:39 |
| binarymutant | must be grub1 bc I have menu.lst | 23:40 |
| chris4585 | yeah grub1 | 23:40 |
| binarymutant | I want to go back to lilo :D | 23:40 |
| wrst | ok actually i think i may know what i did now that i think about it because i just formatted one partition and don't think i left anything for the MBR | 23:40 |
| chris4585 | grub1 is like default unless you select lilo | 23:40 |
| wrst | grub 2 is now default | 23:40 |
| chris4585 | is it? | 23:40 |
| chris4585 | o_O | 23:40 |
| wrst | grub-legacy is now in the aur | 23:40 |
| chris4585 | wth | 23:40 |
| binarymutant | weird | 23:41 |
| wrst | they don't upgrade it for you through pacman but on new installs it is grub-bios etc etc | 23:41 |
| binarymutant | well I guess not, it is the natural progression | 23:41 |
| binarymutant | I want lilo... | 23:41 |
| chris4585 | well yeah that makes sense, but I actually don't want to upgrade | 23:41 |
| wrst | but i think that was it if its got no place to install... well i can't expect it to work | 23:41 |
| chris4585 | grub2 confuses the hell out of me | 23:41 |
| wrst | chris4585:arch's grub 2 actually works as its intended as opposed to ubuntu's early on so its actually not so bad | 23:41 |
| binarymutant | I thought the mbr was outside of the partitions... | 23:42 |
| binarymutant | I installed it to sda not sda1 or whatnot | 23:42 |
| wrst | hmm i guess so binarymutant i really have never manually set up everything before so i'm stupid on this one :) | 23:42 |
| chris4585 | the mbr is where the beginning is I thought | 23:42 |
| wrst | like i said its good learning | 23:42 |
| chris4585 | usually I just install to mbr and forget about it :) | 23:43 |
| chris4585 | I really have no idea | 23:43 |
| wrst | the rest of teh install is actually "simpler" than the aif | 23:43 |
| chris4585 | I kind of like how ubuntu autodetects everything, but on arch I like the control | 23:44 |
| * wrst is a control freak | 23:45 | |
| binarymutant | I think you can install it to a partition though | 23:45 |
| binarymutant | but it's like a bad uh ethic? | 23:46 |
| chris4585 | yeah | 23:46 |
| chris4585 | mbr is the best choice | 23:46 |
| chris4585 | I always do it | 23:46 |
| binarymutant | my mind just went blank | 23:46 |
| wrst | yeah binarymutant i need to figure out where the mbr is | 23:46 |
| binarymutant | wrst: reinstall it? | 23:46 |
| wrst | when it comes to vm's and what not but assumed that installing it to sda would do it | 23:46 |
| binarymutant | yeah | 23:47 |
| binarymutant | I wonder if I can install lilo... | 23:47 |
| wrst | i will read some more the documentation sucks so far on the new installer | 23:47 |
| binarymutant | uh nevermind about lilo... no updates since early 2011 | 23:49 |
| wrst | boot loaders shouldn't be so complicated :) | 23:49 |
| binarymutant | lol | 23:50 |
| binarymutant | prolly the most complicated apps right after the kernel i bet | 23:50 |
| binarymutant | I don't even touch mine | 23:51 |
| binarymutant | -kinda like I don't touch the kernel lol | 23:51 |
| binarymutant | wow kpcli is awesome, I might dump keepassx for it | 23:56 |
| binarymutant | needs tab completion though | 23:57 |
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