=== chrispluns is now known as binarymutant
[02:24] <binarymutant> I can't get smaller than 2Gb for my complete DE
[02:24] <binarymutant> :/
[02:25] <wrst> binarymutant: i'm trying out the latest arch iso, its not so bad
[02:26] <binarymutant> I'm back on arch lol
[02:26] <wrst> that didn't take long
[02:26] <binarymutant> yeah
[02:26] <wrst> binarymutant: i love debian great for servers but debian testing isn't a true rolling release its just that testing and at times packages aren't complete/available etc etc
[02:27] <binarymutant> they install too much on their minimal iso too
[02:27] <wrst> but their point is a more "complete" solution i think
[02:28] <binarymutant> that's true
[02:28] <wrst> i don't think debian is the stuff for users like us on the desktop, now on the server that's a whole 'nother animal :)
[02:28] <binarymutant> I'd agree with that, they're very stable
[02:28] <wrst> a rolling ubuntu release would be the cat's meow probably more for us
[02:28] <binarymutant> but I was missing Arch :P
[02:28] <wrst> yeah i have considered others but I must say i do miss banging my head against the wall when something doesn't work correctly
[02:29] <binarymutant> yeah lol
[02:29] <wrst> i am trying the new installer in a vm going to see if i can get it to work ok there
[02:29] <binarymutant> what installer?
[02:29] <wrst> hmm good point
[02:29] <wrst> whatever you call it :)
[02:29] <wrst> the released a new iso today
[02:30] <binarymutant> yeah I saw the new one, comes with zsh
[02:30] <wrst> or yesterday one i think it is a little easier than the old one and has forced me to learn how to use fdisk since i'm doing it in a vm and really didn't want to fool with a gparted live disk first
[02:30] <binarymutant> fdisk isn't bad, neither is cfdisk
[02:31] <binarymutant> makes you a little more cautious if you don't want to format a partition though
[02:31] <binarymutant> <-- always crosses fingers
[02:34] <binarymutant> I always won't touch the partition that I don't want to get formatted, and just fstab it after the installation
[02:43] <wrst> well i got everything except grub figured out
[02:46] <binarymutant> you have to figure out grub?
[02:47] <binarymutant> like editing it at boot? or menu.1st
[02:47] <binarymutant> *.lst
[02:50] <chris4585> binarymutant, I knew you'd be back lol
[02:50] <binarymutant> lol
[02:51] <chris4585> I like how we're mostly arch dominate users in here
[02:51] <binarymutant> ikr
[02:51] <binarymutant> in an ubuntu channel
[02:51] <chris4585> I think we should be more #linux-tn-us
[02:51] <chris4585> lol
[02:52] <chris4585> I was reading the above ^ I personally like gparted because I know how to use it, one benefit of archbang, or ubuntu
[02:53] <binarymutant> gparted rules
[02:53] <binarymutant> I tried archbang it was pretty cool
[02:53] <binarymutant> until I updated that is
[02:53] <chris4585> that reminds me.. I really had to get down and dirty with grub last time I installed it, I have arch + pae, arch 32bit, and both recovery, winders and linux mint all setup by hand in there menu.lst
[02:54] <chris4585> binarymutant, lol yeah you will run into the glib thing
[02:54] <binarymutant> and /var/run
[02:54] <binarymutant> couldn't get it to work
[02:54] <chris4585> I don't think I ran into the /var/run problem, I don't recall it
[02:55] <binarymutant> I had the latest iso but yeah didn't work
[02:55] <binarymutant> had to use the normal arch iso
[02:55] <binarymutant> but archbang was super cool
[02:57] <chris4585> yeah, only reason I even decided to go back to arch a few months ago was because it automatically supported my graphics tablet ootb
[02:57] <chris4585> wasn't the only reason... but archbang made the decision easier
[03:01] <binarymutant> I can't believe how much space my DE uses, it's like I can't get it under 2Gb
[03:02] <chris4585> o.O
[03:02] <chris4585> dwm?
[03:02] <binarymutant> yeah
[03:02] <binarymutant> and a bunch of other suckless.org stuff
[03:02] <chris4585> you mean your whole install?
[03:02] <binarymutant> yeah the whole thing
[03:02] <chris4585> oh okay
[03:03] <chris4585> I was about to say isn't dwm like 2mb tops? lol
[03:03] <binarymutant> 36k
[03:03] <chris4585> pft, my install is like.. 5gbs?
[03:03] <binarymutant> but xorg is ~100mb, and webkit is another 100mb
[03:04] <chris4585> ah I was going to say something like 600kb but I really had no idea
[03:04] <binarymutant> du -sch /usr/bin/openbox
[03:04] <binarymutant> it should be under 1mb
[03:04] <chris4585> well you don't need the entirety of xorg, just the drivers you use, I'm just lazy and have all of xorg
[03:04] <binarymutant> I just got what I needed, it was still around 100mb
[03:04] <chris4585> ah gotcha
[03:05] <binarymutant> would have been around 200mb if I got all
[03:05] <chris4585> there is probably several cache folders I could clear though
[03:06] <binarymutant> dev tools were around 100mb... it was just like 100mb after 100mb all the way up to 2Gb
[03:11] <binarymutant> good thinking, I cleared the pacman cache and it dropped me under 2gb
[03:12] <chris4585> my /usr/lib/xorg only takes up 70mbs
[03:12] <chris4585> lol
[03:12] <chris4585> I'm not sure if that is the entirety of xorg
[03:13] <binarymutant> 32mb here
[03:13] <binarymutant> so it probably is the entirety
[03:15] <chris4585> are you using disk usage analyzer?
[03:15] <chris4585> Baobab
[03:16] <chris4585> its pretty good for scanning the whole system for large files / dirs
[03:16] <binarymutant> my fav is ncdu
[03:17] <chris4585> never heard of it
[03:17] <binarymutant> never heard of yours either :P
[03:17] <chris4585> haha
[03:17] <chris4585> lol
[03:17] <chris4585> I looked it up looks pretty good
[03:18] <binarymutant> yours is cool with the circle graph
[03:18] <chris4585> that is one reason I do like it
[03:20] <binarymutant> google chrome is eating my ram
[03:21] <chris4585> tell me about it, it can use 2.5gbs when I have like 40 tabs open
[03:23] <binarymutant> im at 700mb with just 2 tabs :/
[03:24] <binarymutant> that's everything though
[03:24] <binarymutant> not just chrome
[03:26] <chris4585> I think on first boot I use either 200 or 300mbs which isn't bad, I don't ever have just one tab up though so if I could guess it would probably be 500mbs
[03:26] <binarymutant> thats just way to much
[03:29] <chris4585> I'm okay with that though because I have all the ram it can eat
[03:30] <chris4585> not trying to show off or anything, but I wish I had a little bit more cpu power...
[03:31] <chris4585> http://imgur.com/a/Veg5B
[03:32] <binarymutant> that's waay to much for me
[03:33] <binarymutant> your using more ram than I have available lol
[03:33] <chris4585> lol
[03:33] <binarymutant> also four cpu's??
[03:34] <chris4585> I just don't like it when flash makes my cpu go near 40c, which isn't too often because html5 <3
[03:34] <chris4585> yeah 3ghz phenom II 4x
[03:34] <binarymutant> :O
[03:34] <chris4585> my brother has the 2600k i7
[03:34] <chris4585> :|
[03:34] <chris4585> image how jealous I am of that
[03:34] <chris4585> lol
[03:34] <binarymutant> :O
[03:35] <chris4585> he does video editing and rendering is amazing with the onboard hd graphics he has
[03:36] <chris4585> which is why his computer was like $670 with shipping with no graphics card
[03:36] <binarymutant> oh
[03:36] <binarymutant> I'm on the other end of the digital divide lol :P
[03:37] <binarymutant> <- $0
[03:38] <chris4585> :< at least you have a computer, I can't tell you how long I've had crappy computers before this year
[03:38] <binarymutant> crapp computers run my setup real good
[03:38] <chris4585> well my last computer I had like 6 years wasn't really crappy but not beast like this one..
[03:40] <binarymutant> one day I'll have what you have lol :P
[03:40] <binarymutant> give me another 5 years
[03:40] <chris4585> lol
[03:41] <binarymutant> http://www.dell.com/us/dfb/p/latitude-d630/pd is what I'm on
[03:42] <binarymutant> that's weird it doesn't say the cpu
[03:44] <chris4585> that isn't that bad, when my old computer died I had to setup my laptop as a desktop... it was fun
[03:44] <chris4585> surprisingly it worked better than my older desktop
[03:45] <binarymutant> yeah
[03:45] <binarymutant> laptop > desktop
[03:45] <binarymutant> I don't even know what I would do with all that power you have
[03:45] <chris4585> I have the inspiron series that came with ubuntu default back when they had that going on
[03:45] <binarymutant> this 6 year old laptop does it all already
[03:46] <chris4585> lol
[03:46] <chris4585> I do heavy youtube surfing... but I can have 60 tabs open with my cpu at a nice 34c
[03:46] <chris4585> thanks to html5
[03:47] <chris4585> I say flash killed my last computer by running hot and blowing a capacitor...
[03:47] <binarymutant> 60 tabs is way too much
[03:47] <chris4585> never run flash while asleep
[03:47] <binarymutant> lol
[03:47] <chris4585> I learned my lesson
[03:49] <binarymutant> 60 tabs of flash, I can believe tha
[03:49] <binarymutant> that*
[03:50] <chris4585> actually it was sleeping with google call / video
[03:50] <binarymutant> hm
[03:51] <binarymutant> flash isn't that bad for me
[03:51] <binarymutant> ~30% cpu
[03:51] <chris4585> I think it was the driver possibly for my camera
[03:51] <binarymutant> ooh
[03:51] <chris4585> somehow my computer heated up
[03:51] <chris4585> I'm glad it happened though...
[03:52] <chris4585> made me learn more about computers while doing research
[03:56] <binarymutant> http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1042700/dell-laptop-explodes-japanese-conference
[03:57] <chris4585> that isn't good
[03:59] <chris4585> you know I rarely use a laptop on my lap.. usually on a stool or desk
[03:59] <binarymutant> your heated computer made me remember that
[04:00] <chris4585> ah, yeah since then I monitor my temp like a hawk and notice when I *NEED* to kill something or give it a break
[04:00] <chris4585> one reason I love the winter..
[04:06] <chris4585> wb
[04:06] <chris4585> <chris4585> ah, yeah since then I monitor my temp like a hawk and notice when I *NEED* to kill something or give it a break
[04:06] <chris4585> <chris4585> one reason I love the winter..
[04:06] <chris4585> I obsess over my cpu temp a little bit and always try to have good air flow in my room
[04:12] <binarymutant> stoopid wifi
[04:27] <chris4585> :/
[04:37] <Unit193> Stupid network, just got killed for having too many connections, 3.
[04:54] <chris4585> freenode allows three?
[04:54] <chris4585> icq only allows 2 :|
[04:55] <Unit193> Not freenode, but turns out server didn't respond to ping so one tried to reconnect.
[04:55] <Unit193> Freenode allows more than 5.
[04:55] <chris4585> ah
[04:55] <Unit193> So annoying.
[05:16] <chris4585> watching nasa livestream
[05:16] <Unit193> Yep, just turned it on.
[12:24] <jfenn2199> morning all
[12:27] <wrst> mornign jfenn2199
[12:28] <jfenn2199> how goes wrst
[13:10] <xTEMPLARx> peek-a-boo!
[13:12] <wrst> howdy xTEMPLARx
[13:15] <jfenn2199> how goes xTEMPLARx
[13:22] <wrst> oh and jfenn2199 all is well how are you?
[13:34] <xTEMPLARx> heya wrst and jfenn
[13:34] <alyawn> morning, all
[13:34] <xTEMPLARx> so far so good in K-town
[13:34] <xTEMPLARx> heya al
[13:34] <xTEMPLARx> is it al
[13:34] <xTEMPLARx> or aly
[13:34] <xTEMPLARx> :D
[13:34] <alyawn> it's alan, but you can say al :)
[13:35] <alyawn> sorry to disappoint :)
[13:37] <xTEMPLARx> that works for me
[13:37] <xTEMPLARx> no disappointment at all, as I'm a married fella
[13:38] <wrst> I'm watching the coverage from the mars lander last night I don't think those nasa computers were using windows  that they were showing but the video was grainy
[13:44] <alyawn> yeah, I can imagine they would want to compress that before sending
[13:44] <alyawn> it has a few miles to travel
[13:45] <alyawn> oh.. you probably mean the video of them using their computers... ignore me
[13:45] <alyawn> coffee has yet to kick in
[13:56] <xTEMPLARx> did somebody say coffee?
[14:14] <wrst> yuck coffee... nooo
[14:15] <alyawn> wha??? those words.... can they even be used in a sentence together
[14:15] <xTEMPLARx> you mean you've never had yuck coffee?
[14:15] <xTEMPLARx> i have
[14:15] <xTEMPLARx> mcdonalds is a good example
[14:15] <xTEMPLARx> imo
[14:15] <wrst> coffee makes me think of muddy water hot muddy water, in both look and taste
[14:15] <xTEMPLARx> the coffee the boss makes here
[14:15] <xTEMPLARx> well, its yuck
[14:16] <xTEMPLARx> wrst:  you haven't had good coffee  yet then :D
[14:16] <alyawn> yes.. yuck is simply one of the more popular flavors of coffee
[14:16] <alyawn> it's better if it's not filtered through a dirty gym sock
[14:24] <xTEMPLARx> I wouldn't say popular so much as common
[14:33] <alyawn> good point
[15:39] <wrst> binarymutant: wb
[15:40] <binarymutant> ty ty
[15:40] <binarymutant> about to leave soon though
[15:41] <wrst> binarymutant: i got an arch install in a vm... only problem i never got grub right, i can reboot throught the live disk and chroot into my install i have a wee bit more learning it appears
[15:41] <wrst> wb elijah-mbp
[15:44] <binarymutant> hmm what's your menu.lst look like?
[15:44] <binarymutant> actually hold off on that for tonight, i gtg
[15:44] <binarymutant> later
[15:44] <wrst> its grub2 binarymutant i gots no menu.lst :)
[15:44] <wrst> later binarymutant
[15:50] <xTEMPLARx> wrst:  I used the syslinux boot option on my arch in-a-vm
[15:50] <xTEMPLARx> it boots just fine
[15:50] <wrst> hmm ok i need to check that out xTEMPLARx
[15:51] <xTEMPLARx> I tinkered with putting x and gnome on, but haven't gotten that functional just yet
[15:51] <xTEMPLARx> keep in mind I used syslinux just because it was the only one I configured.  no other reason than chance that I didn't attempt grub
[15:51] <wrst> xTEMPLARx: my problems was also with the docs, it give instructions on doing the install of a bootloader then after i did that it makes a note to be sure you are chrooted into the system :)
[15:51] <xTEMPLARx> doh!
[15:51] <wrst> xTEMPLARx: getting x up and going with a desktop is super easy
[15:52] <wrst> i am just feeling my way around the new installer before i put it on a real system and pull my hair out in the process
[15:56] <elijah-mbp> aiee, my machine decided to shut itself down while i was outside on the phone.  stupid mountain lion energy saver crap....
[16:03] <wrst> ha ha elijah-mbp i must say that is one thing that severly ticks me off with my wife's mac no real non-hackish way to change a lot of those settigns
[16:03] <wrst> i like for my laptop to stay awake when i shut the lid since i'm likely just moving to a better spot on the couch
[16:06] <elijah-mbp> wrst:  i wish one of the linuxes had better runtime support for OSX apps ;)
[16:09] <wrst> elijah-mbp: i know it will ever happen but since linux and osx are cousins you would think there woudl be better support with something like wine , yet windows apps run on linux and osx apps don't
[16:09] <wrst> *wont ever happen
[16:09] <elijah-mbp> yep.  there've been things like maconlinux that kind of work but they can't keep up.
[16:09] <elijah-mbp> i'd love to be able to run some of the stuff from the mac app store on ubuntu.
[16:10] <wrst> i needed to kill an unresponsive safari on my wife's laptop this weekend i called up a terminal couldn't locate the process id quickly so just typed xkill for fun, and you know what... it worked :)
[17:54] <Unit193> jfenn2199: Well hey!
[18:22] <xTEMPLARx> =]
=== pleia2_ is now known as pleia2
[19:58] <wrst> xTEMPLARx: this is what 3 days in a row?
[20:34] <xTEMPLARx> wrst:  no, this is abuse.
[20:34] <wrst> ha ha
[20:34] <xTEMPLARx> =]
[20:35] <xTEMPLARx> HELP! HELP!  I'm being oppressed!
[20:59] <wrst> xTEMPLARx: i am so sorry
[21:02] <xTEMPLARx> :D
[21:07]  * Unit193 hits xTEMPLARx in the head
[21:07] <Unit193> No he isn't.
[21:10] <chris4585> hey wrst, how are you today?
[21:11] <chris4585> how is everyone else also
[21:11] <wrst> good chris4585, you?
[21:12] <chris4585> same, I haven't really done much today though
[21:16] <wrst> nothing wrong with that if you can get away with it
[21:19] <xTEMPLARx> eek its past time to go home!
[21:19] <xTEMPLARx> off I go
[21:20] <xTEMPLARx> enjoy your evening, folks
[21:36] <chris4585> yeah :)
[21:38] <chris4585> reading engadget, windows 8 wont allow you to boot into the old desktop, which I figured was going to happen.  Is it me or does microsoft want to be the next apple? locking things down so the dumb user doesn't get choices...
[22:21] <binarymutant> anybody okay with bash in here?
[22:49] <chris4585> I'm okay not the best
[22:49] <chris4585> whats up binarymutant?
[22:49] <chris4585> usually I need a refresher on some things
[22:50] <binarymutant> http://sprunge.us/XjLc
[22:51] <binarymutant> ./.music: line 11: #ARTIST: command not found
[22:51] <binarymutant> and idk why
[22:52] <binarymutant> I guess it should be #{ARTIST} or maybe that's to Ruby of me... anyways it'll say that the artist is not found
[22:55] <binarymutant> nevermind I'm just going to redirect all the output to /dev/null
[22:56] <chris4585> hrm, yeah I don't know either, I'm not an expert and I don't want to setup mpc lol
[22:56] <binarymutant> mpd is sweet
[22:56] <binarymutant> redirecting output to /dev/null made it all go away
[22:56] <chris4585> nice
[22:57] <chris4585> hrm, there was an ncurses media player I liked but can't remember the name..
[22:57] <chris4585> cmus I think
[22:57] <chris4585> yeah
[22:57] <binarymutant> cmus is cool too, but I <3 mpd too much
[22:58] <binarymutant> I think I used cmus or the other console music player before finding mpd
[22:59] <chris4585> I don't like to setup anything that has to 'connect' like mpc, so its just something I'll never experience
[22:59] <binarymutant> ah yeah
[22:59] <chris4585> cmus was great, it just took a little while to get used to the keyboard shortcuts
[22:59] <chris4585> for a while I had my laptop setup with inx
[22:59] <binarymutant> I'm always closing out Xorg though so I get to listen to music even if I close my play
[22:59] <binarymutant> player*
[23:00] <chris4585> gotcha
[23:00] <chris4585> so you can have gui frontend and console backend?
[23:00] <chris4585> or do you even use a gui frontend?
[23:01] <binarymutant> you can, I just use mpc for scripts and ncmpcpp for ui
[23:01] <chris4585> I'm sure its pretty awesome if I gave it a try, I'm just too lazy and love quodlibet too much
[23:01] <chris4585> cool
[23:01] <binarymutant> but dwm isn't working with my keyboard shortcuts + music.sh script right now :/   and I can't figure out why
[23:02] <chris4585> speaking of quodlibet, I just got an update for it o.o
[23:02] <chris4585> that blows :/
[23:02] <binarymutant> lol I'm afraid to update arch now :P
[23:02] <chris4585> lol
[23:03] <chris4585> I'm a little skeptical, but quodlibet on arch (not tested on anything else lately) can use my keyboard media keys while before it couldn't..
[23:04] <binarymutant> ah I've got to set up those stoopid media keys too
[23:04] <binarymutant> grah
[23:04] <chris4585> so it was a lovely surprise to see a feature that automatically worked without realizing it
[23:05] <binarymutant> you didn't have to figure out the XF86KEYBLAH keys?
[23:07] <chris4585> nope
[23:07] <binarymutant> that's awesome
[23:08] <chris4585> yeah, totem does that also and has for a long time, but I guess there is a framework that somehow does that automatically and I'm assuming quodlibet finally updated after forever
[23:08] <binarymutant> I don't think they change but I'm not sure
[23:09] <binarymutant> I think it's always like XF86KEYVOLUP or something
[23:09] <chris4585> that looks foreign to me lol
[23:11] <binarymutant> omg I'm an idiot: I had to link that script to /usr/local/bin for it to work :/
[23:12] <binarymutant> I was freaking
[23:12] <chris4585> o.o
[23:12] <chris4585> usually I put #!/bin/bash
[23:13] <binarymutant> yeah but it won't run unless it's in your path
[23:13] <chris4585> ah
[23:13] <binarymutant> anyways those key codes are like this (just looked it up) XF86AudioLowerVolume
[23:13] <binarymutant> I was pretty close
[23:14] <chris4585> ah
[23:14] <binarymutant> using dwm and stuff have made me memorize xorg stuff like that lol
[23:15] <chris4585> lol
[23:15] <chris4585> I know what I know until I run into a road block and have to figure it out
[23:15] <binarymutant> lol yeah
[23:15] <binarymutant> then it's off to google
[23:15] <chris4585> I guess I'm kind of a lazy person, but I have arch which conflicts LOL
[23:16] <binarymutant> Arch can get real lazy - after setting everything up
[23:17] <chris4585> yep
[23:17] <chris4585> lol
[23:17] <chris4585> once it is perfect, there is nothing else to do besides use it and update
[23:17] <binarymutant> omg I'm so happy to have all my key combos back
[23:17] <binarymutant> yeah
[23:18] <binarymutant> sudo pacman -Syu\n there is nothing to do
[23:18] <binarymutant> ^ lazy
[23:18] <chris4585> I always run -Syyu
[23:19] <chris4585> what does the n flag do?
[23:19] <binarymutant> \n is newline
[23:19] <chris4585> ah
[23:19] <binarymutant> looks like this:
[23:19] <binarymutant> pacman -Syu
[23:19] <binarymutant> there is nothing to do
[23:19] <chris4585> yep, when pacman tells me there is nothing to do, you know you're bored....
[23:19] <binarymutant> lol
[23:19] <binarymutant> so true
[23:36] <wrst> binarymutant: quesion: did you install grub2 when you reinstalled arch?
[23:39] <binarymutant> idk I don't pay attention to the bootloader :/
[23:40] <binarymutant> must be grub1 bc I have menu.lst
[23:40] <chris4585> yeah grub1
[23:40] <binarymutant> I want to go back to lilo :D
[23:40] <wrst> ok actually i think i may know what i did now that i think about it because i just formatted one partition and don't think i left anything for the MBR
[23:40] <chris4585> grub1 is like default unless you select lilo
[23:40] <wrst> grub 2 is now default
[23:40] <chris4585> is it?
[23:40] <chris4585> o_O
[23:40] <wrst> grub-legacy is now in the aur
[23:40] <chris4585> wth
[23:41] <binarymutant> weird
[23:41] <wrst> they don't upgrade it for you through pacman but on new installs it is grub-bios etc etc
[23:41] <binarymutant> well I guess not, it is the natural progression
[23:41] <binarymutant> I want lilo...
[23:41] <chris4585> well yeah that makes sense, but I actually don't want to upgrade
[23:41] <wrst> but i think that was it if its got no place to install... well i can't expect it to work
[23:41] <chris4585> grub2 confuses the hell out of me
[23:41] <wrst> chris4585:arch's grub 2 actually works as its intended as opposed to ubuntu's early on so its actually not so bad
[23:42] <binarymutant> I thought the mbr was outside of the partitions...
[23:42] <binarymutant> I installed it to sda not sda1 or whatnot
[23:42] <wrst> hmm i guess so binarymutant i really have never manually set up everything before so i'm stupid on this one :)
[23:42] <chris4585> the mbr is where the beginning is I thought
[23:42] <wrst> like i said its good learning
[23:43] <chris4585> usually I just install to mbr and forget about it :)
[23:43] <chris4585> I really have no idea
[23:43] <wrst> the rest of teh install is actually "simpler" than the aif
[23:44] <chris4585> I kind of like how ubuntu autodetects everything, but on arch I like the control
[23:45]  * wrst is a control freak
[23:45] <binarymutant> I think you can install it to a partition though
[23:46] <binarymutant> but it's like a bad uh ethic?
[23:46] <chris4585> yeah
[23:46] <chris4585> mbr is the best choice
[23:46] <chris4585> I always do it
[23:46] <binarymutant> my mind just went blank
[23:46] <wrst> yeah binarymutant i need to figure out where the mbr is
[23:46] <binarymutant> wrst: reinstall it?
[23:46] <wrst> when it comes to vm's and what not but assumed that installing it to sda would do it
[23:47] <binarymutant> yeah
[23:47] <binarymutant> I wonder if I can install lilo...
[23:47] <wrst> i will read some more the documentation sucks so far on the new installer
[23:49] <binarymutant> uh nevermind about lilo... no updates since early 2011
[23:49] <wrst> boot loaders shouldn't be so complicated :)
[23:50] <binarymutant> lol
[23:50] <binarymutant> prolly the most complicated apps right after the kernel i bet
[23:51] <binarymutant> I don't even touch mine
[23:51] <binarymutant> -kinda like I don't touch the kernel lol
[23:56] <binarymutant> wow kpcli is awesome, I might dump keepassx for it
[23:57] <binarymutant> needs tab completion though