[04:54] <akher0n> mlankhorst: https://gist.github.com/3270723
[04:57] <akheron> mlankhorst: now with no invalid writes in synaptics_drv.so
[07:53] <mlankhorst> great o.O
[07:54] <mlankhorst> still see some though, argh
[08:06] <mlankhorst> But I've asked cnd to look at it, if you don't want to wait you could always temporarily run the new stack from quantal :P
[08:07] <mlankhorst> I've created a backport for it but it's not for the weak of mind.
[09:07] <akheron> mlankhorst: why not for the weak of mind?
[09:08] <akheron> :)
[09:08] <mlankhorst> still experimental and if things go wrong you have to know your way around the console
[09:29] <mlankhorst> omg awesome..
[09:29] <mlankhorst> I didn't update vmware so it was still stuck on the old version
[09:30] <mlankhorst> but it bumped all other video drivers regardless :D
[09:31] <mlankhorst> I just need to add a patch for xserver-xorg-dev to depend on xserver-common of same version, else it doesn't update it properly.
[09:51] <akheron> mlankhorst: well, I could try it if it fixes this annoying crashing...
[09:51] <akheron> where is it?
[09:51] <mlankhorst> would be easier to just enable xorg-edgers for now though
[10:03] <akheron> I'll try that
[11:23] <akheron> now running without valgrind
[11:23] <akheron> god this is fast
[11:23] <akheron> :)
[11:57] <mdeslaur> tseliot: FYI, I'm going to publish lucid-precise nvidia updates in a few minutes
[12:00] <tseliot> mdeslaur: err... wait
[12:00] <mdeslaur> tseliot: hrm?
[12:00] <tseliot> mdeslaur: I'm uploading security updates in quantal and I was planning to do the same in precise
[12:00] <mdeslaur> tseliot: you can't upload to the -security pocket in precise
[12:01] <mdeslaur> tseliot: how were you going to do -precise?
[12:01] <tseliot> mdeslaur: ok, what version are you uploading to precise?
[12:02] <mdeslaur> tseliot: for precise, I have nvidia-graphics-drivers, nvidia-graphics-drivers-updates, nvidia-graphics-173, nvidia-graphics-173-updates with the security patch
[12:02] <tseliot> mdeslaur: I wanted to upload 304.23 for nvidia-graphics-drivers-update and to keep the current version of nvidia-graphics-drivers while patching the sources
[12:02] <mdeslaur> the same versions as currently in the repo, but with nvidia's new blacklist ranges
[12:02] <tseliot> mdeslaur: that would be ok
[12:03] <tseliot> mdeslaur: I'll just take care of quantal then. Thanks
[12:03] <mdeslaur> tseliot: how about if you let me release my updates in a few minutes, and then you can decide whether you want to upload 304.23 after?
[12:03] <tseliot> mdeslaur: exactly my point ^
[12:03] <tseliot> ;)
[12:03] <mdeslaur> tseliot: ok, cool....sorry for colliding with you on this
[12:04] <tseliot> mdeslaur: no, thanks for your work ;)
[12:04]  * tseliot -> lunch
[12:05] <tseliot> tjaalton_: I'm going to upload to quantal-proposed too (for the abi bump)
[12:07] <tjaalton_> tseliot: ah, good
[12:07] <tjaalton_> finally got freenode working again
[12:42] <tseliot> tjaalton_: are going to move the new X from quantal-proposed to quantal this week?
[12:42] <tseliot> *are we
[12:43] <tjaalton_> tseliot: guess so, if it's not too buggy :)
[12:44] <tseliot> tjaalton_: ok, 304.32 is in quantal-proposed too now
[12:45] <tjaalton_> nice
[12:46] <ricotz> tseliot, hi :)
[12:46] <tseliot> ricotz: hey
[12:46] <ricotz> tseliot, so is 304.32 running for you?
[12:46] <tseliot> ricotz: with the new X?
[12:47] <ricotz> yes
[12:47] <tseliot> ricotz: I haven't tested that yet
[12:47] <ricotz> tseliot, it isnt working for here
[12:47] <ricotz> tseliot, you probably want to test it first
[12:48] <tseliot> ricotz: I know it should segfault under certain circumstances
[12:48] <ricotz> ok
[12:48] <tseliot> ricotz: it's in quantal-proposed therefore, if it doesn't work, we can reject it
[12:50] <ricotz> tseliot, there is a minor flaw already, the installation order here should be changed http://paste.debian.net/plain/182374
[12:50] <ricotz> the upstream dkms.conf overwrite the custom one
[12:51] <tseliot> ricotz: upstream dkms.conf?
[12:51] <ricotz> yes
[12:52] <ricotz> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/111988986/nvidia-graphics-drivers_304.30-0ubuntu1~xedgers~quantal2_304.30-0ubuntu1~xedgers~quantal3.diff.gz
[12:52] <tseliot> ricotz: oh, right, they have an upstream dkms.conf now
[12:52] <ricotz> tseliot, and maybe you like to add the 3.6rc1 build patch too
[12:54] <tseliot> ricotz: sure
[12:55] <ricotz> thanks
[12:55] <ricotz> tseliot, it is probably a good idea too to hardcode the abi package provides
[12:58] <mlankhorst> ricotz: video abi you mean?
[12:58] <mlankhorst> :D
[12:58] <mlankhorst> that should be hardcoded too at some point
[12:58] <ricotz> mlankhorst, exactly
[12:58] <mlankhorst> would make my job easier at least
[12:59] <ricotz> meaning let nvidia-current depend on abi 11, 12, 13 etc
[12:59] <mlankhorst> yeah
[12:59] <ricotz> tjaalton_, ^
[12:59] <mlankhorst> I could copy it over to my qbp tree then
[12:59]  * ricotz think this would make jcristau a bit happy ;)
[12:59] <tjaalton_> ricotz: why do you think that?
[12:59] <tjaalton_> :)
[13:00] <ricotz> tjaalton_,  oop sorry
[13:00] <ricotz> tseliot, ^
[13:00]  * mlankhorst would be happy from hardcoded abi's..
[13:00] <mlankhorst> I could copy it over to https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat/+archive/q-lts-backport/+packages then
[13:00] <tjaalton_> don't think jcristau cares one bit about the blobs in ubuntu, rightfully so :)
[13:00] <jcristau> ;)
[13:01] <ricotz> tjaalton_, he knows why ;)
[13:01] <tseliot> ricotz, mlankhorst: I can do that for you
[13:01] <mlankhorst> awesome :)
[13:01] <ricotz> tseliot, thanks, this would reflect the nature of the blob better
[13:01] <mlankhorst> now I just need the remaining packages updated
[13:02] <mlankhorst> missing video-vmware it seems
[13:02] <ricotz> tseliot, same goes for fglrx ;)
[13:03] <mlankhorst> and xserver-xorg-dev needs to depend on xserver-common or xserver-xorg-core, so virtual provide won't work.
[13:03] <mlankhorst> erm versioned*
[13:05] <jcristau> xserver-xorg-dev doesn't need any such thing
[13:06] <mlankhorst> I know, but it doesn't get taken in as part of the big rename, not sure if I should care or not though.
[13:06]  * jcristau thinks not
[13:08] <ricotz> tseliot, btw it is 304.32 not 302.32 
[13:08] <tseliot> ricotz: the buil failed anyway so I'll have to reupload
[13:08] <tseliot> *build
[13:09]  * tseliot should've slept more...
[13:09] <mlankhorst> hehehehee :P
[13:09] <ricotz> ok
[15:47] <Lazure> is there a reason why my asus g60 laptop , with a core i5 CPU and 1GB GTS 360M, cannot use nouveau driver? For instance, ubuntu livecds cannot boot without nomodeset, or else i get a garbled frozen picture showing bits and pieces of whatever my screen saw in a previous boot on other OS. 
[15:48] <mlankhorst> Lazure: not from head, would help to know what card though
[15:48] <Lazure> 1GB Nvidia GTS 360m
[15:49] <Lazure> the i5 is known to have a built in IGP of its own, but there are no bios options to disable it, which is what i suspect why I cannot use nouveau.
[15:49] <Lazure> my desktop has a 1GB GTX 460 and i7 (no IGP; triple channel memory socket) and i can boot ubuntu livecds just fine without using nomodeset
[15:49] <mlankhorst> well could try blacklisting i915
[15:50] <Lazure> that doesn't really help the booting of a livecd, but i guess it could help post-install 
[15:51] <Lazure> tho, i'm lucky if my laptop will even boot a live cd. and that's weird because my laptop can read the disc just fine in an OS, but it fails to read the disc at boot time. my current ubuntu install required me to make a usb stick for it. >.>
[15:52] <Lazure> the asus g60 runs flawlessly with windows, but damn if it isn't a nightmare for linux.
[15:52] <mlankhorst> hybrid's a nightmare in general :/
[15:52] <Lazure> i really hope they find a solution to make ubuntu work better with that kind of configuration soon
[15:53]  * ricotz got reminded by the nice nvidia speach linus gave ;)
[15:54] <tjaalton> yes, let's hope 'they' do a better job
[15:55] <Lazure> if gabe newell really shifts gears to linux due to windows 8's... ugliness and poor usability
[15:55] <Lazure> nvidia will need to up the ante on their linux drivers
[15:55] <Lazure> which is kinda interesting, considering years ago it used to be ATI was the bane of linux existence when it came to drivers, now it's the other way around
[15:55] <mlankhorst> the thing is
[15:55] <jcristau> fglrx is still a piece of crap
[15:55] <mlankhorst> nvidia hasn't shown any interest outside of their own driver..
[15:55] <mlankhorst> to work on hybrid stuff
[15:55] <Lazure> yeah
[15:56] <Lazure> nvidia's too closed up
[15:56] <Lazure> doesn't ATI provide info for opensource drivers to work better with their cards too?
[15:56] <Lazure> whereas nvidia wants everyone to use their binary drivers
[15:57] <jcristau> well the people paying the big bucks for good nvidia linux drivers are probably not very interested in the hybrid stuff
[15:58] <Lazure> so in other words, a big middle finger to laptops or even desktops with the IGP-based core iX intel cpus
[15:58] <jcristau> nah those use windows
[15:58] <Lazure> my desktop has the last of the iX series that doesn't have an IGP (and the only one that used triple ram slots)
[15:59] <Lazure> so if you want a linux machine, you pretty much have to go AMD now? 
[15:59] <jcristau> if you want a linux machine to a pretty good approximation you don't exist :)
[16:00] <mlankhorst> I think intel atm
[16:05] <Lazure> tried to disable the properitary driver, and of course it won't boot past the logo now (tho, i had the logo at the native res!..)
[16:05] <Lazure> so yeah, the stupid IGP breaks the ability to boot with nouveau
[17:25] <bjsnider> Lazure, nouveau requires kms, so booting with nomodeset will automatically cut it off
[17:26] <Lazure> bjsnider: yeah i know nomodeset murders nouveau, which means no 3D accel or unity/gnome-shell on a live cd
[17:26] <bjsnider> if there are no bios options to disable the nvidia chip, that's not nvidia's actual fault
[17:27] <Lazure> but nouveau doesn't work because of the i5's graphics chip (which is the one i'd want to turn off in BIOS)
[17:27] <bjsnider> it sounds like it might be the fault of the asus corporation
[17:27] <bjsnider> i don't see what's wrong with the intel gpu
[17:28] <Lazure> well i WANT to use the nvidia gpu, it's obviously a lot more powerful. but the intel gpu i think interferes with nouveau working on a livecd
[17:29] <Lazure> basically, my predicament is on this laptop: i must use proprietary drivers, or use nomodeset. there is no in-between
[17:29] <mlankhorst> erm nomodeset is no longer supported
[17:29] <Lazure> proprietary drivers, however, aren't enabled by default on live and also don't give you a very pretty plymouth/grub experience either. also, with wayland coming up...
[17:30] <Lazure> if i just plop in a livecd of ubuntu and just let it boot, i get a nice plymouth boot logo, but then i get a garbled, frozen screen when it goes into X, and i can't even use ctrl+alt+f1 to go into a console, it hard freezes in this garbled state.
[17:31] <Lazure> meaning i *HAVE* to use nomodeset to use a livecd at all.
[17:31] <Lazure> and to use it with any acceleration whatsoever, i must install it to the system so that i can enable nvidia's propreitary drivers , which then allow me to have full 3D accel in x, but it ruins my plymouth/grub resolutions/logos
[17:32] <Lazure> and this configuration will not support wayland when it comes around, either.
[17:32] <Lazure> but if i wanted to play around with say.. ubuntu 12.10 alpha 3, without actually installing it, that's not gonna be an option for me because i wouldh ave to use nomodeset
[17:34] <bjsnider> that bumblebee project software might be able to do something about this
[17:35] <mlankhorst> meh
[17:35] <mlankhorst> bumblebee solves the problem on the wrong level
[17:36] <bjsnider> the problem is asus didn't provide an option to stop sending one gpu power so the other one would take over
[17:36] <Lazure> asus designed this laptop to be a powerhouse in windows gaming.
[17:36] <Lazure> and it works excellently for that
[17:37] <Lazure> but they totally left out linux.
[17:37] <mlankhorst> soon..
[17:37] <Lazure> i'm trying to back up stuff in my 12.04 install, it's acting wonky and i wanna reinstall it
[17:37] <Lazure> a long time ago i made my own 'live wallpaper' that changes/fades through colors depending on the time of day
[17:37] <Lazure> i know there's two places i had to have .xml files, but i only can remember the one
[17:38] <bjsnider> you should have done better research before buying the product i guess
[17:39] <Lazure> i got the laptop back in 2009
[17:39] <Lazure> it was fine with the versions of ubuntu back then, back when it didn't use plymouth boot and all i neede was compiz in gnome2 , which the propreitary drivers worked great for, but the advancements made since are totally gonna be an issue
[17:39] <mlankhorst> does the integrated intel work as default?
[17:40] <Lazure> i'm not sure what ubuntu is trying to use when booting livecd (which i guess uses an auto-detect system?) , since i can't get into X to even check it.
[17:40] <mlankhorst>  nouveau.blacklist=1 or something iirc
[17:40] <Lazure> i wonder if there's a way to make the livecd boot to terminal but still know which driver it's using
[17:41] <Lazure> i know that there were errors shown something like 'intel i915 turbo disabled, no acceleration' or something like that
[17:41] <Lazure> when i was stuck with text-only boots
[17:43] <mlankhorst> the safe boot should probably use vesa
[17:58]  * mlankhorst slaps Sarvatt around a bit with a large trout!
[18:06] <tjaalton> Lazure: there's probably just some bug making the intel driver behave like that (assuming it's being used there)
[18:08] <Lazure> well, gonna burn off a DVD of ubuntu 12.10 alpha 3, and we'll see if we can't figure out what it tries to use when booting live, if ever possible
[18:09] <Lazure> trying DVD since my laptop won't boot linux CDs lately (but it'll read them just fine if I put them in during a running OS... weird)
[18:11] <tjaalton> you can also boot off a usb stick
[18:37] <Lazure> it boots off the DVD 
[18:37] <Lazure> guess it just doens't like CD-Rs
[18:38] <Lazure> now to see if it gets into X (probably won't)
[18:39] <Lazure> i failed to get a plymouth boot logo that's for sure. getting the old fashioned text boot with all the [ OK ] things
[18:41] <Lazure> think it locked up with a black screen
[18:41] <Lazure> oh, well it didn't go into X but i can use ctrl+alt+f1 and get a terminal
[18:41] <Lazure> how would i check which video driver is being used from that?
[18:42] <tjaalton> dmesg and xorg log
[18:43] <Lazure> interesting
[18:43] <Lazure> during the console screen, i was being spammed with a message something about [drm] nouveau something. i'll need to boot it up again
[18:43] <Lazure> cuz when i tried to switch bacl to f7 it locked and i ended up shutting down
[18:44] <Lazure> is it possible to blacklist from the livecd's boot menu?
[18:53] <mlankhorst> nouveau.blacklist=1 maybe?
[18:55] <Lazure> [drm] nouveau : failed to idle cjhannel 2, channel 3, channel 4.. and i get a lot of PGRAPH TLB flush idle timeout messages, so yeah. nouveau is broken
[19:01] <Lazure> it boots with nouveau blacklisted, but i get fallback, low resolution only
[19:12] <tjaalton> dmesg again
[19:20] <Lazure> how do i even read all that
[19:26] <tjaalton> just dump it somewhere
[19:27] <tjaalton> apt-get install pastebinit; dmesg | pastebinit
[19:33] <Lazure> http://pastebin.com/uSfE123u
[19:33] <Lazure> i couldn't find package pastebinit, but i did it manually
[19:36] <Lazure> note this is booting from a livecd
[19:50] <tjaalton> it's probably in universe
[19:55] <Lazure> apparently nouveau just plain doesn't like the GTS 360m. 
[19:55] <Lazure> in this case, why isn't linux falling back to the i915 that's built-in to my i5?
[19:55] <Lazure> it seems to fallback to vesa instead. 
[20:02] <tjaalton> no mention of intel in dmesg
[20:03] <Lazure> yeah, i think it pretends i don't have a gpu on my i5
[20:04] <Lazure> but on the real install, back in the day, when i would get my proprietary nvidia drivers installed and working
[20:04] <Lazure> i lost the plymouth boot logo and was getting a 80x25 text one instead. and during that, it would say something about i915 turbo disabled can't find symbols or wahtever
[20:04] <Lazure> i forget what i did to make plymouth work, but.. it was very tricky
[20:04] <Lazure> i think i had to install vbe or something
[20:04] <Lazure> and make grub/plymouth use vesa
[20:05] <Lazure> if i could make them use the i915 , my grub/plymouth would look tons better
[20:11] <Lazure> tjaalton: is there any way to make a livecd load a certain driver from just the boot options line?
[20:14] <mlankhorst> Lazure: if it uses optimus and enables nvidia card first, not likely
[20:14] <Lazure> ahhh
[20:15] <Lazure> and with a very very minimal BIOS, i cannot disable either graphics adapter.
[20:15] <Lazure> so yeah, all my livecds are gonna be 800x600 and without full gnome-shell/unity features for all of eternity unless nouveau gets improved and realizes the 360m exists.
[20:17] <mlankhorst> tjaalton: hmm... if system boots to fast lightdm starts before both graphics cards are initialized :/
[20:22] <tjaalton> mlankhorst: yeah, would be easy to test that by restarting lightdm from a vt
[20:23] <mlankhorst> that's what I do, but it's not a proper solution
[20:23] <Lazure> that would only happen on an SSD wouldn't it?
[20:24] <mlankhorst> Lazure: or netboot with gbit network ;)
[20:24] <Lazure> lol
[20:24] <mlankhorst> .. from a ssd *ducks*
[20:35] <Lazure> my desktop that i'm chatting to you from , running win7 , has an SSD. boots up so faaaaast
[20:44] <mlankhorst> mine takes a bit longer but it's mostly typing in password :p
[20:44] <mlankhorst> seems to be limited to 400mb/s due to aes
[21:04] <bjsnider> it's hard to believe that chip isn't supported by nouveau after a couple of years
[21:05] <bjsnider> i don't know what would stop the blob from working, if the system isn't trying to use the intel gpu at all
[21:11] <tjaalton>  blob works aiui, livecd not
[21:18] <bjsnider> i thought it could be installed off the livecd
[21:44] <mlankhorst> bjsnider: sometimes things break, we try to fix it in time :)