[05:37] <Kilos> morning everyone
[05:39] <Kerbero> safe on mars
[05:39] <Kerbero> more oom kilos
[05:40] <Kilos> more kerbie als goed?
[05:40] <Kerbero> jip geen probleme
[05:53] <superfly> Morning oom Kilos, Kerbero
[05:54] <Kilos> hi superfly 
[05:54]  * superfly is on the train again after a 2 week "break"
[05:55] <Kilos> lol then you should be able to tackle work with a new energy
[05:55] <Kilos> vigour
[05:55] <Kilos> Maaz, spell vigour
[05:55] <Maaz> Kilos: Yup, that's a word all right
[05:55] <superfly> Kilos: after a night of little sleep?
[05:56] <Kilos> aw which one kept you up?
[06:00] <Kilos> superfly, to sync means to make 2 folders the same doesnt it?
[06:04] <nuvolari> o/ mornings oom Kilos, superfly, Kerbero 
[06:04] <Kilos> morning nuvolari 
[06:05] <superfly> Kilos: both of them, and yes. "sync" is just an afkorting of synchronisation
[06:05] <superfly> morning nuvolari
[06:05] <superfly> Maaz: define synchronisation
[06:05] <Maaz> superfly: synchronisation n 1: the relation that exists when things occur at the same time; "the drug produces an increased synchrony of the brain waves" [syn: {synchronism}, {synchrony}, {synchronicity}, {synchroneity}, {synchronization}, {synchronisation}, {synchronizing}] [ant: {asynchronism}, {asynchrony}, {desynchronisation}, {desynchronization}, {desynchronizing}] 2: an adjustment that causes something to occur or recur in unison [syn
[06:06] <Kilos> im struggling to get ubuntuone to take the last 200 meg of a folder up there
[06:06] <Kilos> upload stopped at 465 and shoulda been 677 meg
[06:07] <Kilos> and #ubuntuone never answer
[06:07] <Kilos> sigh
[06:07] <superfly> Kilos: use the touch command on the file
[06:07] <superfly> (or folder)
[06:07] <superfly> $ touch ubuntu.iso
[06:08] <superfly> That might trigger UbuntuOne to sync the last 200 megs
[06:08] <superfly> Kilos: also, are you sure Ian has bandwidth?
[06:08] <Kilos> he has uncapped mweb at work superfly 
[06:09] <superfly> ah ok
[06:09] <superfly> Kilos: did he ge a new job recently?
[06:10] <superfly> *get
[06:10] <Kilos> nope still trying to keep that same place going
[06:10] <Kilos> only his section is still bringing in any income
[06:11]  * superfly can't remember all the ins and outs
[06:11] <Kilos> so all the extras he can do is helping the whole company
[06:11] <superfly> Ah, OK
[06:11] <Kilos> they do finger/hand/et al scneers and stuff
[06:12] <Kilos> scanners
[06:12] <superfly> Oh right, that place
[06:12] <superfly> What is Ian doing specifically?
[06:12] <Kilos> now i have a gigabyte mb cd iso for him to fix a pc and i cant get the full iso to ubuntuone
[06:13] <Kilos> grrr
[06:13] <Kilos> he is doing all the pc repairs and the software installs and fault finding and client help for them
[06:18] <Kilos> superfly, the folder on my desktop is called my iso and the file inside is called my.iso
[06:18] <Kilos> tried touch with both but no data went
[06:19] <Kilos> must the touch command have paths etc in?
[06:21] <Kilos> tried sudo touch my.iso
[06:21] <Kilos>  and nothing happened either
[06:21] <Kilos> must i pount it to ubuntuone somehow
[06:21] <superfly> Kilos: touch just updates the modified time
[06:21] <Kilos> point
[06:21] <Kilos> oh
[06:22] <superfly> Kaapstad, I have crowds to surf... Later.
[06:22] <Kilos> now i must tell ubuntuone to explore again?
[06:22] <Kilos> toods superfly 
[06:42] <Kilos> inetpro, good morning your knowledge of rsync is needed desperately here
[06:42] <Kilos> dont say man rsync
[06:49] <charlvn> good morning
[06:49] <charlvn> Maaz: coffee on
[06:49]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[06:53] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charlvn!
[06:53] <Kilos> yo charlvn 
[06:53] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee please
[06:53] <Maaz> Kilos: There isn't a pot on
[06:53] <Kilos> aw
[06:54] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[06:54]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[06:57] <Squirm> morning
[06:57] <Squirm> Maaz: coffee please
[06:57] <Maaz> Squirm: Alrighty
[06:58] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos and Squirm!
[06:58] <Kilos> Maaz, ty
[06:58] <Maaz> You are welcome Kilos
[06:58] <Kilos> hi Squirm 
[06:59] <Squirm> I feel like death
[06:59] <Squirm> ]:/
[06:59] <Squirm> :/
[06:59] <Squirm> don't like being sick
[07:00] <Kilos> aw
[07:00] <Kilos> death warmed up or just death?
[07:01] <Symmetria> heh
[07:01] <Kilos> hi Symmetria 
[07:01] <Symmetria> ouch, my current desktop (which is my home machine and my work machine) is simply not powerful enough for what I want anymore
[07:01] <Symmetria> so I ordered an upgraded machine, holy crap that cost money
[07:02] <Symmetria> heh, got an I7 X3960 cpu, 64gigs of ram, a top end video card and a bunch of 3TB drives
[07:02] <Kilos> if you have a permanent residence why not build up your own super computer like nasa did
[07:03] <Kilos> that sounds expensive
[07:04] <Symmetria> heh the cpu was 10 grand alone
[07:05] <Kilos> ouch
[07:06]  * Squirm looks at Symmetria
[07:06] <Squirm> I have 2Gb of ram
[07:06] <Squirm> dual core processor
[07:07] <Squirm> ok, office machine is i5 with 8Gb ram
[07:07] <maiatoday> does anybody want to do a python pyramid project, few months, stellenbosch area
[07:07] <Kerbero> clearly the university of FS paid symm too much
[07:08] <tonberry352_> snakes in pyramids?
[07:08] <Symmetria> heh Kerbero this is more of a business expense
[07:08] <Symmetria> there is software and stuff I need to work with that typically would run on large vmware clusters
[07:08] <Kerbero> so you need storage space for that?
[07:08] <Symmetria> th storage space is cheap :p
[07:08] <Kerbero> haha true
[07:08] <Symmetria> its the cpu/ram thats a problem 
[07:09] <Symmetria> heh the problem is, most desktop cpus/boards only address 32gigs of ram
[07:09] <Kerbero> jip
[07:09] <Symmetria> if you want 64, you gotta start spending money on cpus and boards 
[07:09] <maiatoday> tonberry352_: haha well sortof
[07:09] <Symmetria> the ram itself is dirt cheap
[07:09] <Symmetria> the board/cpu to address it is another story
[07:09] <Symmetria> :p
[07:09] <Squirm> Symmetria: what OS you running?
[07:09] <Symmetria> and *shrug* if Im gonna throw that kinda board/cpu at a machine, there aint no way Im doing it without one beautiful graphics card :p
[07:10] <Symmetria> Squirm dependant on what Im doing, pretty much, all of them :p
[07:10] <Kerbero> lol
[07:10] <Kerbero> very good answer
[07:11] <Symmetria> heh, I have windows for my office applications (because MS Office is still the most compatible with the rest of the world and still works better than most things), I run linux for stuff like junos space, I run bsd for simulation of junos routers, I run OS-X for junos space iphone development 
[07:11] <Symmetria> :p
[07:11] <Symmetria> Ive yet to find a reason to run solaris at home :p
[07:12] <Symmetria> so yeah, quite simply, I run it all :p
[07:12] <Kerbero> junos = juniper?
[07:12] <Symmetria> Kerbero yeah 
[07:12] <Symmetria> junos space is their network management application, its built ontop of linux and opennms
[07:13] <Symmetria> but heh, so heavily developed and customized its unrecognizable from the original
[07:13] <Symmetria> and contains a full SDK/API 
[07:13] <Symmetria> you can do some interesting things on it 
[07:13] <Kerbero> o ok
[07:13] <Symmetria> like junos space aware iphone applications which talk indirectly to all your network gear 
[07:14] <Symmetria> and they encourage dev on it of third party apps, and *shrug* there are some nifty little features which are missing out there so throwing together a few android/iphone apps to run with it 
[07:14] <Symmetria> :P which I'll stick in the store and hopefully make a few bucks off of :p
[07:14] <Kerbero> but it is not free/oss?
[07:14] <Symmetria> Kerbero no, its not free/oss, heh, the network world doesnt do free/oss :p
[07:15] <Symmetria> people gotta make a living :) lol
[07:15] <Kerbero> yeah :(
[07:15] <Kerbero> it is the things i would like to play with
[07:15] <Symmetria> heh though the thing about the juniper stuff is interesting, its built on top of oss platforms
[07:15] <Symmetria> on a juniper router you can even type system cli and end up at a freebsd prompt
[07:16] <Kilos> hiya maiatoday 
[07:17] <charlvn> good morning Kilos, Kerbero, Symmetria, maiatoday, Squirm 
[07:18] <charlvn> not bad activity for a monday morning :)
[07:18] <Symmetria> lo charlvn
[07:18] <Symmetria> btw, has anyone here worked with netdot
[07:18] <charlvn> i see everyone is working hard to recover from the weekend :)
[07:18] <Symmetria> lol, I phoned the pc shop here in east london and asked for a quote for the new machine and the guy kinda choked
[07:18] <Symmetria> and asked me wtf I wanted specs like those for
[07:19] <Symmetria> in a town the size of this, you arent meant to buy machines like that
[07:19] <Kerbero> hahaa no
[07:19] <maiatoday> hi Kilos, charlvn and everybody
[07:21] <Squirm> hello charlvn 
[07:22] <Symmetria> hrm
[07:22] <Symmetria> anyone know an6ything about video cards?
[07:22] <Symmetria> Im looking at the nvidia gtx 960, any thoughts?
[07:22] <Kerbero> i know that i'm very happy with my intel one in ubuntu
[07:24] <charlvn> +1
[07:25] <charlvn> i recently bought a new laptop and opted for an core i3 (with hyperthreading) and an intel hd graphics card
[07:25] <charlvn> everything worked out of the box with ubuntu
[07:39] <Kilos> charlvn, whats that hyper threading thing
[07:39] <Kilos> i see in bios here i can enable it
[07:39] <Kilos> but left it because i didnt know what it does
[07:39] <Kilos> cpu hyperthreading
[07:41] <Symmetria> heh
[07:41] <Symmetria> hyperthreading is fake multi-coring
[07:41] <Kilos> oh isa it safe to use?
[07:41] <Symmetria> yeah, though Ive never seen real performance benefits from it 
[07:42] <Kilos> ah ty
[07:43] <Symmetria> http://www.intel.co.za/content/www/za/en/motherboards/desktop-motherboards/desktop-board-dx79si.html
[07:43] <Symmetria> heh thats the motherboard Im putting in
[07:43] <Symmetria> http://www.pricecheck.co.za/offers/28134918/Intel+Core+i7+3960X+Sandy+Bridge+3.3GHz+Socket+LGA2011/
[07:43] <Symmetria> with that cpu
[07:49] <charlvn> Kilos: i have two cores but both have hyperthreading and i have four effective threads
[07:49] <Kilos> ah
[07:50] <charlvn> Symmetria: it depends on what you are doing
[07:51] <charlvn> bbl
[07:51] <Kerbero> we did a linpack test a few weeks ago on a sandybridge i5 and i7 (i7 only has extra hyperthreading) and we got about 2 gigaflops increase in performance
[07:51] <Kerbero> that is about 2% more performace
[07:52] <Kerbero> at almost 30% increase in price
[07:58] <Symmetria> Kerbero which I7 cpu btw?
[07:58] <Kerbero> 3500K
[07:58] <Kerbero> iirc
[07:59] <Symmetria> cause that 3960X is rather... a different beast 
[07:59] <Kerbero> hmm
[07:59] <Kerbero> no 
[07:59] <Kerbero> it was sandybridge
[07:59] <Symmetria> that 3960X has sick amounts of cpu cache and is a 6 core cpu 
[07:59] <Kerbero> 2500K i asume
[07:59] <Kerbero> aha yes, we tested 2500K vs 2600K
[08:00] <Symmetria> yeah, i suspect if you went ot the 3960X you'd see... a lot better performance
[08:00] <Kerbero> yes indeed
[08:01] <Kerbero> my i5 ivybridge outperforms that i7 anyway
[08:06] <smile> hi :D
[08:06] <smile> charlvn: I'm listening to jacaranda :)
[08:11] <Kilos> hi smile 
[08:12] <smile> hi Kilos :)
[08:12] <smile> you like http://www.jacarandafm.com/kagiso/content/en/jacaranda/jacaranda-listen ?
[08:12] <smile> :p
[08:12] <Kilos> yeah we get it here on the radio
[08:14] <smile> :D
[08:14] <smile> Kilos: I don't like the fact that they mention "Jacaranda" every minute xD
[08:14] <Kilos> its advertising
[08:15] <Kilos> to get it into thick heads that found it by accident
[08:15] <smile> Yeah, that everyone knows that it's called Jacaranda :)
[08:19] <smile> Kilos: is your radio turned on?
[08:19] <smile> :p
[08:21] <Kilos> nope
[08:21] <Kilos> silence is golden
[08:23] <smile> Silence is gold? :D
[08:36] <Kilos> there is a song called silence is golden i think
[08:38] <Kilos> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xe4qk7Mijlo
[08:48] <smile> Kilos: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VuYvKLZXKhI <- worth listening :)
[08:49] <Kilos> i dont go to youtube if at all possible
[08:49] <Kilos> data hog
[08:50] <smile> ok :)
[08:58] <magespawn> good morning all
[09:01] <smile> good morning magespawn :)
[09:03] <magespawn> hey smile
[09:04] <smile> :p
[09:05] <Kilos> hi there magespawn 
[09:05] <magespawn> hi Kilos
[09:35] <magespawn> anybody familiar with the df command?
[09:36] <Symmetria> holy CRAP
[09:36] <Symmetria> I just saw the quote on the video card I want
[09:36]  * Symmetria falls over and dies
[09:37] <Symmetria> motherboard/cpu/ram/disks combined = R26.8k, add the video card, total price goes up to R40k :p
[09:37]  * Symmetria chokes
[09:37] <magespawn> nice what card?
[09:38] <Symmetria> the GTX690
[09:39] <magespawn> that is expensive, is that here in SA?
[09:39] <Symmetria> yeah, its basically R13k for the video card
[09:40] <Symmetria> motherboard/cpu is a combined R15k
[09:40] <Symmetria> ram is R4k 
[09:40] <magespawn> only price i can get is in dollars
[09:40] <Symmetria> drives are R8k combined for the lot
[09:40] <Symmetria> (R5k for the 3 x 3TB disks and 3k for the 250gig SSD)
[09:41] <Symmetria> but yeah, the cpu and the video card are the 2 real pricy pieces
[09:43] <magespawn> what cpu?
[09:43] <Symmetria> the 3960X 
[09:43] <Symmetria> (i7 6core 16meg cache)
[09:44] <magespawn> what would you be doing with a mchine like that?
[09:45] <tonberry352_> same thing we do every night pinky
[09:45] <tonberry352_> try to take over the world!
[09:45] <magespawn> lol
[09:45] <Symmetria> magespawn heh, vmware shit for a lot of it
[09:48] <magespawn> seems like a lot of processing power
[09:48] <Symmetria> heh magespawn its more about the ram
[09:48] <Symmetria> you cant address more than 32gig of ram on most desktop boards/desktop cpus
[09:48] <Symmetria> when you want 64 you gotta start paying big money for the cpus / boards
[09:49] <magespawn> why not run a server chip and board?
[09:50] <Symmetria> heh because thats not that much cheaper :) 
[09:50] <magespawn> true
[09:50] <magespawn> do you have to have the card?
[09:51] <Symmetria> gonna be ordering shortly
[09:51] <Symmetria> was just gathering quotes :)
[09:52] <magespawn> is sounds more like a win gamers pc, with those specs
[09:53] <Symmetria> magespawn lol, dual purpose machine :p
[09:53] <Symmetria> ;P my world of warcraft will play nicely with that
[09:53] <Symmetria> haha
[10:03] <superfly> Symmetria: I don't see what your problem is with that card. I mean, it's not like you're short on money.
[10:06] <Symmetria> superfly lol, still choking on paying that much for a video card
[10:06] <Symmetria> :p
[10:06] <Symmetria> its worth double what my current desktop is worth :P (ok, excluding my monitors)
[10:07] <Symmetria> :P thats the thing about having money, you become very resistant to spending it for some reason haha
[10:07] <superfly> Symmetria: well then why don't you just pay for my medical bills, they're only R15k - I certainly don't have the money for that.
[10:07] <Symmetria> superfly why not have medical aid pay :(
[10:07] <superfly> Symmetria: because they refuse to
[10:07] <Symmetria> why?!
[10:08] <smile> brb, eten :p
[10:08] <magespawn> under what grounds?
[10:12] <Kilos> that sucks superfly 
[10:13] <superfly> "This amount exceeds the maximum payable amount allowed by the Scheme"
[10:13] <Kilos> eina
[10:14] <magespawn> for mrsfly and the larvae?
[10:14] <Kilos> you need one of them other policies that pay a daily amount while in hospita as well then that woulda helped
[10:15] <Kilos> that guy barko had an uncle that did it methinks
[10:15] <Kilos> just get all ports covered for next larvae
[10:17] <superfly> magespawn: for mrs_fly's c-section
[10:18] <magespawn> was it an emergency or planned?
[10:58] <superfly> magespawn: technically it was an emergency
[10:59] <magespawn> something is not right there, if it is an emergency then it is covered bt different rules
[11:00] <magespawn> also if the admission to the hospital was cleared through the medical aid then they should cover it 
[11:00] <superfly> yeah, well, they're "investigating"
[11:01] <superfly> magespawn: the hospital part is not the problem, they're paying for that. It's the doctor's fees they don't want to pay
[11:02] <magespawn> they generally only pay the medical aid rate but again the doctors rate would have be part of the authorization before hand
[11:02] <magespawn>  they should have stated what they would and would not pay for
[11:03] <magespawn> hectic stuff.
[11:03] <magespawn> also you can appeal any decision the medical aid takes.
[11:05] <Kilos> rebooting brb
[11:05] <superfly> magespawn: well, I've got Discovery investigating, so we'll see where we get
[11:06] <magespawn> let me know if you want some detailed help
[11:08] <superfly> magespawn: have you had to deal with stuff like that?
[11:09] <magespawn> not directly with a c-section no
[11:10] <superfly> magespawn: well, with medical aids not paying out, I meant
[11:11] <magespawn> yes also with hospital stays 
[11:12] <magespawn> there are usually other options for payment, like the savings plan etc
[11:12] <magespawn> it also helps to understand the rules of medical aids
[11:18] <not_found> *yawn*
[11:37] <Symmetria> hrm
[11:38] <Symmetria> technically the medical aid dependant on the plan will by default pay medical rate * multiplier
[11:38] <Symmetria> so like, when i was in hospital in 2009 for a month
[11:38] <Symmetria> the doctors rate was 300% 
[11:38] <Symmetria> my plan was medical aid rate * 2 
[11:38] <Symmetria> so I ended up like, 50k outta pocket
[11:38] <Symmetria> which sucked :)
[12:36] <magespawn> brb
[13:22] <nlsthzn> hi uncle Kilos 
[13:25] <inetpro> Maaz: is http://en.wikipedia.org/ down?
[13:25] <Maaz> inetpro: No, it's just you
[13:25] <inetpro> hmm...
[13:26] <nlsthzn> o/ inetpro problems getting the knowledge from the web?
[13:26] <inetpro> nlsthzn: yep, timing out for me
[13:26] <inetpro> resolving to 208.80.154.225
[13:27] <nlsthzn> seems to be timing out for me too
[13:27] <Kilos> hi nlsthzn inetpro 
[13:27] <inetpro> hi Kilos
[13:29] <magespawn> hey guys
[13:30] <inetpro> eh magespawn
[13:30] <magespawn> what is the better way to ssh password or pgp?
[13:30] <inetpro> nlsthzn: now I wonder whether it's just wikipedia or whether it's a line issues somewhere beyond Africa
[13:31] <nlsthzn> well it opened for me eventually...
[13:31] <nlsthzn> so perhaps you are correct
[13:32] <inetpro> with wget -S -O /dev/null http://en.wikipedia.org/ I get: 
[13:32] <inetpro> Connecting to en.wikipedia.org|208.80.154.225|:80... failed: Operation timed out.
[13:32] <inetpro> oh and
[13:32] <inetpro> Connecting to en.wikipedia.org|2620:0:861:ed1a::1|:80... failed: Protocol not supported.
[13:32] <Kilos> Our servers are currently experiencing a technical problem. This is probably temporary and should be fixed soon. Please try again in a few minutes.
[13:33] <inetpro> obviously we don't use IPv6 yet
[13:33] <Kilos> You may be able to get further information in the #wikipedia channel on the Freenode IRC network.
[13:34] <Kilos> inetpro, ^^
[13:34] <inetpro> Kilos: where did you get that?
[13:34] <Kilos> from firefox
[13:34] <Kilos> hehe
[13:34] <inetpro> Kilos: thanks
[13:35] <Kilos> tried to go there and got lotsa info back
[13:35] <Kilos> yw
[13:35] <Kilos>  If you report this error to the Wikimedia System Administrators, please include the details below.
[13:35] <Kilos> Request: GET http://en.wikipedia.org/, from 10.64.0.141 via cp1014.eqiad.wmnet (squid/2.7.STABLE9) to ()
[13:35] <Kilos> Error: ERR_CANNOT_FORWARD, errno [No Error] at Mon, 06 Aug 2012 13:32:41 GMT 
[13:35] <Kilos> hehe
[13:37] <inetpro> hmm... 
[13:37] <inetpro> #wikimedia takes me to  #wikimedia-overflow 
[13:37] <Kilos> i try
[13:37] <inetpro> looks like they have lotsa problems
[13:38] <inetpro> see: http://status.wikimedia.org/
[13:38] <Kilos> nee man
[13:38] <Kilos>  i did /j #wikimedia
[13:38] <Kilos> and im there
[13:39] <inetpro> Maaz: last tweet by alrightthenills
[13:39] <Maaz> inetpro: "Whoever is responsible for stealing wikipedia, please return it now and we'll say no more about it. Thank you." 59 seconds ago, http://twitter.com/Alrightthenills/statuses/232470642862202880
[13:39] <Kilos> wiki media inetpro 
[13:39] <Kilos> not pedia
[13:39] <magespawn> brb
[13:40] <Kilos> they talking bout network probs
[13:40] <inetpro> Kilos: haha, no I'm looking for stuffs on *pedia
[13:40] <Kilos> ah
[13:41] <Kilos> skuus
[14:01] <magespawn> hey having a bit of a problem setting up a quassel core?
[14:01] <magespawn> cannot connect to it
[14:02] <inetpro> wow #wikipedia is really busy, just got in there when I tried again
[14:02] <inetpro> like 420 nicks
[14:03] <nlsthzn> Nerd rage
[14:03] <inetpro> 06/08 16:01:34 <tyteen4a03> Wikipedia is currently down due to networking issues. No ETA is known at the moment. English Mobile site is going up and down. To see current Wikipedia status go to http://status.wikimedia.org. If you want to browse the wiki, please try other tools such as Archive.org and Google Cache.
[14:03] <Kilos> nlsthzn, what do i do with that
[14:03] <tonberry352_> ouch
[14:04] <Kilos> /home/username/. profile 
[14:04] <Kilos> cant cd to it
[14:04] <Kilos> or gedit
[14:04] <Kilos> nothing there
[14:05] <nlsthzn> then there is nothning set up in there I assume...
[14:06] <nlsthzn> I thought that you could access it from terminal but not edit it and with SU you got the error so all I was suggesting was to use the full path name name and not ~ (not that is should have been needed)...
[14:06] <Kilos> ya opens 2 tabs, username and profile
[14:06] <Kilos> both empty
[14:06] <Kilos> i dont understand what wesley wanted me to do
[14:08] <nlsthzn> seems there is a way to add start-up applications somewhere in the power configuration settings or something
[14:08]  * nlsthzn not Ubuntu so can't go look
[14:10] <smile> Kilos: maybe the space doesn't belong there
[14:10] <smile> :p
[14:10] <Kilos> hehe
[14:11] <Kilos> what space
[14:11] <Kilos> /home/username/. profile
[14:11] <Kilos> check if you find a space there
[14:11] <magespawn> should be /home/username/.profile
[14:11] <Kilos> looks like there is one but i tried
[14:13] <Kilos> gedit still opens an empty page
[14:13] <Kilos> i can open startup apps
[14:13] <Kilos> then can add
[14:14] <Kilos> name command and comment
[14:14] <Kilos> but dunno what they must be
[14:16] <nlsthzn> seems you can name it what you like and then you can add "nm-applet" without the quotations as the command
[14:17] <nlsthzn> it will do what kbmonkey was suggesting without needing to use the terminal
[14:17] <nlsthzn> inetpro, "Hmm,.. Wikipedia has now been down for about an hour, possibly due to a 'cut' line/cable, in Florida; just in case anyone's interested.."
[14:17] <nlsthzn> from antoher channel
[14:19] <inetpro> nlsthzn: yeah, that's kind of the message I see on the channel as well, but still sounds fishy
[14:19] <inetpro> it should not be that easy to bring it down
[14:21] <inetpro> issues in the Tampa Datacenter
[14:21] <inetpro> No ETA is known at the moment. 
[14:22] <inetpro> nicks in the channel are up to 481 already
[14:24] <inetpro> and it looks like they're getting back online again
[14:27] <Kilos> im still lost nlsthzn got a blank page in gedit
[14:27] <Kilos> what part of this do i put in there
[14:27] <Kilos> ~/.profile gets run at logon. You can place any startup commands in there. To start nm after a short delay try: (sleep 20s && nm-applet) &
[14:28] <nlsthzn> sure... but don't edit anything there
[14:28] <Kilos> only the (sleep 20s && nm-applet) &
[14:28] <Kilos> or that whole thing
[14:28] <nlsthzn> if you add it to the start up apps you can just add nm-applet
[14:28] <nlsthzn> no need for it to sleep I would think...
[14:29] <nlsthzn> also the brackets and & are terminal command :p 
[14:29] <Kilos> oh nm-applet in command 
[14:29] <nlsthzn> yes
[14:29] <Kilos> ah
[14:29] <nlsthzn> that is what I get from what the monkey wrote :)
[14:31] <Kilos> or nm-applet in name and the brackets bit in command
[14:33] <nlsthzn> nope... name you can call what you want
[14:33] <nlsthzn> command is nm-applet
[14:33] <nlsthzn> the rest of the stuff is a away to make it sleep for 20 seconds before running...
[14:33] <nlsthzn> if you want that then add the whole bracket piece without the & at the end
[14:38] <Kilos> ok ty nlsthzn lemme try that
[14:38] <nlsthzn> k... hope it works
[14:39] <magespawn> later all
[14:39] <Kilos> me too. i think thats half the prob with ubuntuone upload net doesnt connect soon enough so it gives up trying to let me upload
[14:42] <Kilos> bbl
[14:55] <Symmetria> holy shit I dunno wtf my dog went and ate but damn, its got gas :P
[14:55]  * Symmetria dies
[15:01] <Banlam> wow, there was a lot of talking today
[15:02] <Kilos> lol
[16:17]  * zeref is starting to get fustrated
[16:21] <Kilos> hmm no canstudy
[16:21] <Kilos> hmm
[16:21] <Kilos> yo Cantide 
[16:22] <Cantide> hello :)
[16:22] <Cantide> i think i'll study after dinner
[16:22] <Cantide> did a bit on the way to work this morning and i'm keen to finish the chapter :)
[16:22] <Cantide> what are you up to?
[16:23] <Kilos> trying to sort little niggles with 12.04
[16:23] <Cantide> oh
[16:23] <Cantide> what niggles?
[16:23] <Kilos> nm that wont auto start
[16:24] <Kilos> ive googled all over
[16:24] <Cantide> >_<
[16:24] <Kilos> found some scripts and patches but they dont work
[16:25] <Kilos> tried putting nm-applet in startup 
[16:25] <Kilos> still nothing
[16:25]  * Cantide doesn't know much about auto start .-.
[16:25] <Kilos> the mobile broadband enable goodie doesnt stay ticked
[16:25] <Cantide> oh
[16:26] <Cantide> my network also has problems on startup
[16:26] <Cantide> i have to disable it and reenable it sometimes to get it to work -.-
[16:26] <Kilos> there is lotsa discussion about it but i havent found the solution yet
[16:29] <Kilos> eish
[16:29] <Kilos> seems a common prob with 12.04
[16:29] <Kilos> or unity im not sure
[16:30] <Cantide> is my problem the same as yours?
[16:30] <Kilos> mine is that the nm mobile broadband wont auto connect
[16:30] <Cantide> oooh
[16:30] <Cantide> perhaps the problems are related
[16:32] <Kilos> dunno how they can make nm bugs low priority bugs
[16:32] <Kilos> net connection should be top of the list
[16:32] <Cantide> agreed
[16:32] <Cantide> without the internet, i wouldn't have much to do on my PC
[16:42] <Symmetria> heh
[16:42] <Symmetria> no net connection....
[16:43] <Symmetria> is like... death :p
[16:43] <Kilos> ya
[16:43] <Symmetria> heh, I dont go anywhere without my 3G dongle as a backup incase my connectivity doesnt work on other means
[16:43] <Symmetria> :p
[16:45] <Kerbero> but Symmetria you are the internet lord of africa
[16:45] <Kerbero> you just say internet and you ahve it
[16:45] <Kilos> tumbleweed, can you give me a link to report nm probs please
[16:45] <Kilos> lol
[16:48] <Kilos> got it methinks
[16:48] <Kilos> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs
[16:59] <Kilos> ?
[16:59] <Kilos> "network manager" does not exist in Ubuntu. Please choose a different package. If you're unsure, please select "I don't know"
[17:01] <Cantide> http://www.gizmag.com/stompy-giant-robot-project-hexapod/23590/
[17:01] <Cantide> i want one of these... not sure what i'd do with it though >_<
[17:11]  * Symmetria looks at this spreadsheet and groans
[17:11] <Symmetria> heh I gotta work out approx. cost to forklift upgrade a network and the amount of devices we're talking about is such... sick
[17:30] <Kilos> never mind Symmetria it'll pay for your new pc
[17:32] <Kerbero> lol
[17:32] <Kerbero> it better otherwise he'll be bankrupt
[17:33] <Kilos> lol
[17:33] <Kilos> na thats his small change
[18:11] <magespawn> evening all
[18:11] <Kilos> hi magespawn 
[18:11] <Kilos> just chatted to lot from the bug squad
[18:11] <magespawn> has the fly been around?
[18:11] <Kilos> nope
[18:11] <magespawn> bug squad?
[18:12] <Kilos> but he shows online
[18:12] <Kilos> launchpad bug squad
[18:12] <magespawn> what bug?
[18:12] <Kilos> i reported nm not auto connecting but sent it as a firefox bug by mistake
[18:13] <Kilos> so he sorted it to the right bug peeps
[18:13] <Kilos> nice guy
[18:13] <magespawn> not too serious 
[18:13] <magespawn> cool
[18:14] <Kilos> when i heard the bloep and saw pm window LoT i wondered who can this be
[18:14] <magespawn> good to know that somebody is paying attention
[18:15] <magespawn> look this might break the connection so if i disapper i will come back
[18:15] <Kilos> yeah took them 45 mins to come back to me, he said refresh your mail and there are 3 or 4 from them
[18:15] <Kilos> lol
[18:15] <Kilos> wb magespawn 
[18:16] <Kilos> you got bad connection hey
[18:16] <Kilos> cellphone service providers?
[18:16] <magespawn> no i final set upi my quassel core
[18:16] <Kilos> ah
[18:17] <magespawn> finally 
[18:17] <Kilos> you tried 8ta?
[18:17] <magespawn> forgot to try the nohup
[18:17] <Kilos> they much more stable then voda and mtn
[18:17] <magespawn> no not yet
[18:17] <magespawn> out there they roam through mtn
[18:18] <Kilos> mine is through the mtn tower but 3g and mtn is edge on the same tower
[18:18] <magespawn> that is strange
[18:19] <magespawn> hey
[18:19] <magespawn> that is strange
[18:20] <Kilos> yeah
[18:20] <Kilos> and mtn say they have no plans to upgrade
[18:20] <magespawn> brb
[18:21] <Kilos> but the telkom guys put up their goodies a long time back and i didnt wanna try it thinking id be stuck on gprs or edge but you fone them and they 3g enable the sim and away you go
[18:21] <Kilos> eish
[18:28] <magespawn> Kilos
[18:28] <magespawn> Okay this is strange.
[18:28] <Kilos> yessir
[18:28] <Kilos> where you went
[18:29] <magespawn> Could see you on quassel, but could not type anything.
[18:29] <magespawn> Brb
[18:29] <Kilos> i was typing to you and you left
[18:29] <Kilos> lol
[18:30] <Kilos> quassel is for kde peeps
[18:33] <magespawn> strange
[18:34] <magespawn> can you see me now
[18:34] <magespawn> ?
[18:34] <magespawn> can see myself
[18:34] <magespawn> Kilos?
[18:34] <Kilos> ya
[18:35] <magespawn> cool beans
[18:35] <Kilos> sorry went to make tea
[18:35] <magespawn> no worries
[18:35] <Kilos> i said quassel is for kde peeps
[18:35] <Kilos> but again you were gone
[18:36] <Kilos> nearly lunch time cocooncrash 
[18:36] <magespawn> yes it is, i do not know of another one that has a core and client
[18:36] <Kilos> doesnt xchat work same
[18:37] <magespawn> do not think so
[18:37] <Kilos> they look the same here but quassel doesnt have sound that works
[18:37] <magespawn> quasselDroid on my htc does
[18:37] <Kilos> lol
[18:38] <magespawn> so I think that is just the client side that makes the difference there
[18:38] <Kilos> i forget you onna fone thingie
[18:38] <Kilos> wait i had quassel on maverick
[18:38] <Kilos> will try it here
[18:39] <superfly> magespawn: what's the issue?
[18:40] <magespawn> no issue, just wanted to find out which was better password or pgp for ssh?
[18:40] <magespawn> i have set up ssh and a quassel core on the pc in the shop
[18:41] <magespawn> and I presume it would be a good idea to set up the ssl server for quassel
[18:41] <superfly> uh, PGP != SSH
[18:42] <superfly> magespawn: do you mean an SSH keypair?
[18:42] <superfly> yes, keypairs are more secure than passwords
[18:42] <magespawn> thats it yes.
[18:42] <magespawn> so that is tomrrows exercise
[18:43] <magespawn> you would need a seperate keypair for every device? or can you copy them to more than one device?
[18:45] <magespawn> now what?
[18:46] <Kilos-> hmmm
[18:46] <Kilos-> quassel-qt4
[18:49] <Kilos-> Maaz_: hi
[18:49]  * Maaz_ waves to Kilos-
[18:49] <Kilos-> sigh, no sound
[18:52] <magespawn> back again
[18:53] <Kilos> wb
[18:53] <Kilos> you like a yoyo tonight
[18:53] <magespawn> superfly will "nohup quasselcore &" ?
[18:53] <magespawn> yup Kilos learning to do new things.
[18:54] <Kilos> good
[18:54] <magespawn> work?
[18:54] <superfly> magespawn: you can... what linux distro are you running on the core on?
[18:54] <magespawn> ubuntu 12.04
[18:54] <magespawn> server
[18:55] <magespawn> Kilso stretching the brain a bit
[18:55] <magespawn> Kilos
[18:56] <magespawn> that is why the typing is falling apart
[18:57] <Kilos> why
[18:57] <Kilos> lol
[18:57] <Kilos> well done CanStudy 
[18:58] <CanStudy> ty ^^
[18:58] <CanStudy> now to open the book...
[18:58] <Kerbero> first step will be to ban you from irc :P
[18:59] <Kilos> lol
[18:59] <CanStudy> haha
[18:59] <Kilos> if we say nothing he gets bored and studies
[19:00] <CanStudy> I am on 2 servers and 5 channels
[19:00] <CanStudy> plenty of entertainment :)
[19:00] <Kilos> switch off the pc and study
[19:00] <CanStudy> also, "Language Planning and Linguistic Description" is not the most exciting module -.-
[19:00] <CanStudy> nah, i have good self-control :p
[19:01] <Kilos> you better do well in the exams or we gonna ride you
[19:01] <CanStudy> umm
[19:02] <CanStudy> i have motivation enough
[19:02] <Kilos> as in cantstudy canfail
[19:02] <CanStudy> i'm quitting my job in 2 months
[19:02] <CanStudy> hahaha
[19:02] <Kilos> lol
[19:02] <CanStudy> and i have enough saved to see me through to the beginning of next year - aka just after i pass everything
[19:02] <CanStudy> so if i fail something, i'm in for a rough time :p
[19:02] <Kilos> thats good
[19:03] <CanStudy> it's all part of the master plan ^^
[19:03] <magespawn> better than me a
[19:03] <Kilos> yeah we will give you hell
[19:03] <CanStudy> if i don't join for several months you will know why :D
[19:03] <Kilos> magespawn, ?
[19:03] <Kilos> wassup
[19:03] <magespawn> better than me at least I have been playing with this most of the day
[19:04] <Kilos> ah
[19:04] <Kilos> we gonna freeze tonight and tomorrow
[19:04] <magespawn> okay this clearly not working right
[19:04] <Kilos> min -2 max 12
[19:05] <CanStudy> Kilos, eish, where are you?
[19:05] <Kilos> magespawn, file a bug report
[19:05] <Kilos> pretoria
[19:05] <CanStudy> aah
[19:05] <CanStudy> Dis lekka by die see :p
[19:05] <CanStudy> lekker *
[19:05] <CanStudy> >.<
[19:05] <magespawn> better than me at least I have been playing with this most of the day
[19:06] <Kilos> snow on the whole drakensburg for next few days and wind omes from there to us
[19:06] <Kilos> sigh
[19:06] <CanStudy> Kilos, sounds nice :)
[19:06] <magespawn> ahh well you need to come down here
[19:06] <Kilos> yeah i loved durbs
[19:06] <magespawn> at least for winter
[19:06] <Kilos> hluhluwe was good too
[19:07] <CanStudy> I like cold weather, but it must not rain at the same time unless i can stay indoors :)
[19:07] <Kilos> got cheap game from parksboard
[19:08] <CanStudy> magespawn, are you also in Durban?
[19:08] <Kilos> hluhluwe
[19:08] <CanStudy> aha
[19:08] <Kilos> north coast of natal
[19:08] <CanStudy> I balance the FNB ATMs in Hluhluwe :p
[19:08] <Kilos> warmer than durbs
[19:09] <CanStudy> yeah, i've been up there before
[19:10] <Kilos> night guys. i go crash so CanStudy willstudy
[19:10] <CanStudy> night Kilos
[19:10] <Kilos> lol
[19:10] <CanStudy> CanStudy IsStudying
[19:10] <magespawn> night Kilos
[19:10] <Kilos> sleep tight all
[19:10] <CanStudy> done 2 pages while chatting :p
[19:10] <Kilos> lol
[19:10] <magespawn> CanStudy: do you work for FNB?
[19:11] <CanStudy> magespawn, yes .-.
[19:11] <CanStudy> at least for the next 2 months or so
[19:11] <CanStudy> then i shall be freeeeeeeeee
[19:11] <Kilos> hmmm borrow a lockup bag fulla cash
[19:11] <magespawn> contract work I take it
[19:11] <magespawn> lol
[19:12] <CanStudy> magespawn, kinda, but i'm quitting
[19:12] <Kilos> night
[19:12] <CanStudy> been there for over a year now :p
[19:12] <magespawn> or just the keys to a safe somewhere
[19:12] <CanStudy> Kilos, hahaha
[19:12] <CanStudy> night :p
[19:14] <magespawn> i might break this connection again brb
[19:15] <magespawn> okay maybe not]
[19:16] <magespawn> i
[19:17] <magespawn> maybe not
[19:17] <magespawn> not too sure what is going on right now
[19:18] <superfly> magespawn: Ubuntu has packages for quassel core
[19:19] <superfly> just install it and then sudo /etc/init.d/quasselcore restart
[19:19] <magespawn> yes they are installed and working
[19:19] <magespawn> that is how i am connected
[19:20] <magespawn> does the last one just restart the core
[19:20] <magespawn> ?
[19:22] <magespawn> when I connect through ssh in a terminal it seems to work fine but as soon as as i disconnect it stops
[19:23] <magespawn> when I connect through ssh in a terminal it seems to work fine but as soon as as i disconnect it stops
[19:23] <magespawn> the ssh that is
[19:28] <superfly> magespawn: yes, so just start it as a service
[19:29] <superfly> then you don't need to "nohup" or "&"
[19:29] <superfly> "sudo service quasselcore start" should also work
[19:29] <magespawn> how to start as a service
[19:29] <magespawn> ?
[19:29] <magespawn> will google brb
[19:30] <magespawn> will try
[19:30] <magespawn> i would have to stop it first right.
[19:30] <magespawn> ?
[19:32] <superfly> magespawn: when you're logged in via SSH, don't run quasselcore yourself, use one of the commands I just showed you
[19:32] <magespawn> right
[19:34] <magespawn> okay
[19:41] <CanStudy> wb 
[19:41] <CanStudy> 'o'
[19:41] <magespawn> ty
[19:41] <Squirm> meh
[19:41] <Squirm> I broke my vm
[19:41] <Squirm> :/
[19:42] <CanStudy> 5 pages studied, my work here is done >.<
[19:44] <Cantide> gn ^^
[19:47] <magespawn> superfly sudo service quasselcore start, does as far as I can tell nothing.
[19:47] <superfly> magespawn: if it doesn't tell you anything, it's working...
[19:47] <superfly> magespawn: and it did
[19:48] <magespawn> but then i cannot connect to the core
[19:48] <superfly> are you using the right port?
[19:48] <superfly> also, did you check the log file?
[19:48] <magespawn> assume so connected through it now
[19:48] <magespawn> where is the log file?
[19:49] <superfly> uh, let me check for you
[19:49] <magespawn> see
[19:50] <magespawn> okay
[19:50] <superfly> try /var/cache/quassel, and if you don't see it there, /var/lib/quassel
[19:55] <magespawn> when I check running services with sudo service --status-all
[19:55] <magespawn> quasselcore has a - in the brackets
[19:57] <octoquad> greetings all
[19:57] <magespawn> hey octoquad
[19:58] <inetpro> wb octoquad
[19:58] <magespawn> now it works superfly
[19:58] <superfly> magespawn: did the core start up?
[20:00] <octoquad> hey magespawn and inetpro 
[20:01] <magespawn> superfly
[20:01] <superfly> magespawn: yes?
[20:01] <magespawn> this is madness
[20:02] <magespawn> go get some sleep we can sort this out later
[20:03] <magespawn> we have made progress
[20:03] <magespawn> ty for all the help so far
[20:04] <magespawn> let ss if this works going to the droid
[20:04] <magespawn> okay test one
[20:05] <magespawn> okay so now what?
[20:06] <superfly> magespawn: are you chatting from the droid?
[20:07] <magespawn> not getting much
[20:08] <magespawn> okay
[20:10] <superfly> magespawn: what do you mean, "not getting much"?
[20:10] <superfly> magespawn: the only two people who are chatting at the moment are you and I
[20:10] <superfly> magespawn: did you tell the droid app to fetch backlog?
[20:12] <magespawn> okay
[20:20] <magespawn> no luck on the droid
[20:20] <magespawn> can see the room and the messages from here but cannot type or send 
[20:22] <magespawn> any who, off to bed now for sure, night all
[21:57] <Symmetria> hrm
[21:58] <Symmetria> so who's awake
[21:59] <zeref> here here
[22:03] <Symmetria> heh
[22:03] <Symmetria> I just calculated what it cost
[22:03] <Symmetria> per port 
[22:04] <Symmetria> to build a massive gigE based network
[22:04] <Symmetria> on real hardware
[22:04] <Symmetria> heh, if you build the network with power over ethernet ports to every port
[22:04] <Symmetria> around 20 thousand ports
[22:04] <Symmetria> you come in at a cost of around R320 per port
[22:04] <Symmetria> thats actually pretty damn cheap
[22:19] <zeref> hmmm
[22:23] <zeref> Symmetria: is it worth getting ccna?
[22:24] <Symmetria> hrm
[22:24] <Symmetria> thats a hard question
[22:24] <Symmetria> it depends, are you planning on using it just to learn
[22:24] <Symmetria> or to further a career
[22:25] <Symmetria> because if you actually wanna learn shit worth learning, go for the JNCA rather 
[22:26]  * zeref googles JNCA
[22:27] <Symmetria> its the juniper equivelant
[22:27] <Symmetria> (juniper > cisco in training, in hardware, in software and in everything else for that matter)
[22:27] <Symmetria> :p
[22:27] <zeref> o0o0
[22:29] <zeref> which one is mostly used?
[22:30] <Symmetria> that depends if you're talking about SP market or corporate market 
[22:30] <Symmetria> and where in the world you're talking
[22:31] <Symmetria> heh, cisco has a heavy dominance in the corporate market
[22:31] <zeref> yeah, true
[22:31] <Symmetria> in teh service provider market, in africa, its still pretty cisco based, but thats changing slowly
[22:32] <Symmetria> there is a LOT of juniper stuff appearing
[22:32] <Symmetria> in the international market, both are used all over the place
[22:32] <Symmetria> in the international academic market, particularly on the country academic networks and regional networks, cisco has lost the game
[22:32] <Symmetria> most of those have gone juniper
[22:33] <zeref> so i assume if you can work on cisco networks you will be able to work on juniper networks
[22:33] <Symmetria> *hrm* that depends :)
[22:33] <Symmetria> here is the rule about networking people
[22:33] <Symmetria> you have 2 types 
[22:34] <Symmetria> a.) a good network engineer - he can work on ANYTHING - because he understands the protocols and everything else is just syntax
[22:34] <Trixar_za> That would be you
[22:34] <Symmetria> b.) a useless network engineer who should find a new career - he is tied to one specific brand of hardware because he doesnt understand the backend protocols or how they work, so he's working from syntax rather than knowledge
[22:35] <Trixar_za> Most MSCE
[22:35] <Symmetria> so, if you know the protocols, cisco, juniper, hauwei, alcatel, you can figure them all out, its all just syntax 
[22:35] <Symmetria> (ok, well, alcatel might be the exception to that rule, because alcatel was smoking some really strong magic mushrooms when they came out with their shit I think)
[22:35]  * Symmetria mutters evil things about alcatel's cli
[22:35] <zeref> lol
[22:36] <Trixar_za> Symmetria: I really think you know the protocols backwards from what I've seen
[22:36] <Trixar_za> like the ACK-SYN hack one once mentioned
[22:36] <Trixar_za> I think it was ACK
[22:36] <Trixar_za> :P
[22:36] <Symmetria> Trixar_za heh, I could dream up bgp configurations in my sleep, thats just years of experience
[22:37] <Symmetria> we just rerolled the entire UFS network topology in under 2 weeks from start to finish on gear I had never touched before in my life :P everyone said I was crazy when I said it could be done in that time frame with no downtime 
[22:37] <zeref> i know for ccna they recommend we use packecttracer to simulate networks, does junipe have something similar
[22:37] <Symmetria> lol, we suceeded :p
[22:37] <Symmetria> zeref mmm juniper has something... better :)
[22:37] <Symmetria> they just dont acknowledge it exists :p
[22:37] <Symmetria> here is a little secret about juniper 
[22:37] <zeref> GNS?
[22:38] <Trixar_za> Yeah, but it takes a genius to realize that if you don't send the acknowledging SYN, the data counters won't be enabled. So you can technically surf the internet for free if you designed a daemon that could avoid doing so, but still allow the flow of data
[22:38] <Symmetria> juniper routers are freebsd boxes with masses of hardware offload and fancy line cards 
[22:38] <Trixar_za> or something like that
[22:38] <Trixar_za> This was like 3 years ago
[22:38] <Symmetria> which means... if you take the junos image thats slightly modified 
[22:38] <Symmetria> and you pkg_add it on a freebsd intel box with intel network cards
[22:38] <Symmetria> you end up with a juniper router minus the hardware offload :p
[22:39] <Symmetria> and it will do a gigabit full duplex throughput as well :P
[22:39] <Symmetria> and its not a simulator at that point, it *IS* a juniper router :P just minus the fancy hardware that make it capable of doing crazy speed at no cpu load :)
[22:39] <Symmetria> Trixar_za lol, I have had a lot of fun playing with IP packets :P
[22:40] <Symmetria> like ciscos firewalls in the late 90s that had... interesting bugs :)
[22:40] <Symmetria> cisco firewalls used to maintain a state table (well, they still do), but it was broken...
[22:40] <Symmetria> because if you spoofed an RST or a FIN packet from the correct source ip/port to the correct destination ip/port there was no sanity checking to check the RST or FIN was real
[22:40] <Symmetria> and the firewall would go "zomg, this session has been torn down" and rip out the state table entry
[22:41] <Symmetria> :P was funny as hell on irc resetting everyone behind pix firewalls
[22:41] <Trixar_za> Somehow I saw that coming
[22:41] <Trixar_za> So you tricked the firewall into locking down?
[22:42] <Symmetria> trixar hehe, basically told the firewall that the person behind it had gone away and there was no need to keep passing his traffic until he reestablished the session
[22:42] <Symmetria> :p
[22:42] <Trixar_za> lol
[22:42] <Trixar_za> nice
[22:42] <Symmetria> Trixar_za lol, not quite as much fun as what we did to port sentry though
[22:42] <Symmetria> port sentry was the dumbest piece of software I ever saw
[22:42] <Symmetria> it would monitor for portscans on a host machine, and then firewall out people who portscanned it
[22:42] <Trixar_za> I think I may have used it at one point
[22:42] <Trixar_za> Yep, I did
[22:42] <Symmetria> except... if you spoofed the portscan from the guys DNS servers..........
[22:43] <Symmetria> portsentry would go "zomg, dns server is portscanning me", and firewall it out :p
[22:43] <Trixar_za> lol, it firewalls itself out?
[22:43] <Symmetria> and the guy would sit for 3 days going "dammit! why is my dns not working!"
[22:43] <Symmetria> :p
[22:43] <Trixar_za> Sounds like what once happened to Zone Alarm
[22:43] <Symmetria> Trixar_za lol, you could even convince portsentry to firewall its own gateway
[22:43] <Symmetria> :p
[22:46] <Symmetria> heh Trixar_za I will openly admit, Im a useless programmer
[22:46] <Symmetria> my linux admin skills are average if that 
[22:46] <Trixar_za> Me too
[22:46] <Symmetria> but networks, are the one thing I do know :)
[22:46] <Trixar_za> lol, and the one thing I know little of
[22:46] <Symmetria> :P I realized I'd spent 2 much time working with networks when I could (easily) calculate v6 subnets in my head
[22:46] <Symmetria> :p
[22:47] <Symmetria> though lol, I was getting very very annoyed with myself the other day during a rollout
[22:47] <Symmetria> 2001:4200:5000:ffff::8/126.... is *NOT* :8 :9 :10 :11, its :8 :9 :a :b :P
[22:47] <Symmetria> and I kept screwing that up haha
[22:48] <Symmetria> your natural thinking pattern is NOT to think in hex :p
[22:49] <Trixar_za> Why does my mind always assume 10 to be hex
[22:49] <Trixar_za> Well, it is, but not as a single digit, so to speak
[22:49] <Symmetria> heh 10 is a hex number, but 10 is actually 17 in hex :P
[22:49] <Symmetria> f = 16 
[22:49] <Symmetria> 10 = 17
[22:50] <Symmetria> ooops
[22:50] <Symmetria> 10 = 16 
[22:50] <Symmetria> f = 15
[22:50] <Trixar_za> Yeah, I know. Was just about to correct you
[22:50] <Trixar_za> lol
[22:50] <Trixar_za> They kind of drilled it into us in Electrics
[22:51] <Trixar_za> And yes, there was one point when I asked where we'd ever use this
[22:51] <Trixar_za> ... and then I went into IT
[22:51] <Trixar_za> Higher math is rare, but hex is pure
[22:54] <Symmetria> heh
[22:54] <Symmetria> the worst is tryig to work with v6 in binary
[22:54] <Symmetria> :p
[22:55] <Trixar_za> Show off
[22:56] <Trixar_za> But yeah, I once learned how to do math in binary
[22:56] <Trixar_za> Although I cheated more than once
[22:56] <Trixar_za> :P
[22:56] <Symmetria> heh, well, networking you have to know some binary
[22:56] <Symmetria> because all the netmasks are actually in binary
[22:56] <Symmetria> like a netowrk with a mask of 255.255.255.0 = /24 network
[22:57] <Symmetria> because a /24 = first 24 bits of the network are the network, last 8 bits are host
[22:57] <Symmetria> and in v6 its the same thing, from /0 (all the v6 space) to /128 (single address)
[22:57] <Trixar_za> so a network is 32bits?
[22:57] <Trixar_za> Well, with v4
[22:57] <Symmetria> ipv4 is 32bit
[22:57] <Symmetria> 4 octets
[22:57] <Trixar_za> Makes sense
[22:57] <Symmetria> 255.255.255.255 = 8 bits per octet
[22:58] <Symmetria> so a /16 for example would be a 255.255.0.0 mask
[22:58] <Symmetria> where 255.255 = network portion 
[22:58] <Symmetria> its easy when dealing with /8 /16 /24 
[22:58] <Symmetria> gets slightly more complex when dealing with /29 etc
[22:58] <Trixar_za> Well, now it's actually making sense
[22:59] <Symmetria> heh, a /29 = 29 bits of network, 3 bits of host, leaving 8 ip addresses per block
[22:59] <Symmetria> so x.x.x.0/29 = x.x.x.0 -> x.x.x.7 
[22:59] <Symmetria> but its pretty easy to work out
[23:00] <Symmetria> a /31 = 2 address, /30 = 4, /29 = 8, /28 = 16, /27 = 32, /26 = 64, /25 = 128, /24 = 256
[23:01] <Symmetria> (technically a /31 isnt allowed in v4, but in networking we use it for point to point, its not technically allowed because in v4 land you're supposed to have a network address and a broadcast address (first and last))
[23:01] <Symmetria> which is why on a /30 network (255.255.255.252) you only have 2 useable addresses
[23:02] <Symmetria> (btw, once you get down past /24, it starts again, just with 256 ips per block, so a /23 = 2 /24s, a /22 = 4 /24s, /21 = 8 etc etc)
[23:02] <Symmetria> then it starts again at /16 and again at /8
[23:02] <Symmetria> :)
[23:02] <Symmetria> so there ya go, subnetting 101 :)
[23:02] <Symmetria> v6 is identical, just with hex numbers and muchhhh larger blocks of ip address space and odd boundaries :p
[23:03] <Trixar_za> I think they just invented v6 to obfuscate it a bit
[23:03] <Trixar_za> :p
[23:05] <Symmetria> LOL
[23:05] <Symmetria> how bout because the world is outta v4 addresses
[23:05] <Symmetria> there are no more :p
[23:06] <Symmetria> anyway :) smoke time then bed :)
[23:06] <Symmetria> gnight dude
[23:06] <Trixar_za> Night Symmetria