[04:04] <Sinusoidal> I just came here to say I tried Linux for the first time and unity sucks hard. Windows 7 blows it out of the water
[05:57] <didrocks> good morning
[07:13] <didrocks> anyone on quantal: can you lock your screen with ctrl + alt + L ?
[07:19] <jasoncwarner_> didrocks: yes, I can
[07:20] <jasoncwarner_> I am upto date as well
[07:20] <didrocks> jasoncwarner_: ok, should be a local issue then, thanks!
[07:41] <chrisccoulson> good morning everyone
[07:41] <didrocks> hey chrisccoulson
[07:43] <chrisccoulson> hi didrocks
[08:34] <didrocks> taking gnome-desktop3
[08:50] <seb128> didrocks, thanks for doing updates!
[08:50] <didrocks> seb128: no worry ;) hey!
[08:50] <seb128> didrocks, hey ;-)
[08:50] <didrocks> seb128: it's meeting report reminder day
[08:51] <seb128> didrocks, oh, right, thanks
[08:51] <seb128> didrocks, it has been quiet this morning here :p I just finished replying to whoopsie discussions on -release so I figured I would say hi on IRC ;-)
[08:51] <didrocks> seb128: heh, yeah, it's kind of quiet :)
[08:59] <didrocks> hum, weird FTBFS on gnome-desktop3 (real issue this time), it builds successfully locally, time for pbuilder…
[09:04] <seb128> did I say before that I hate webkit?
[09:04] <seb128> "offlineasm: Parsing ../Source/JavaScriptCore/llint/LowLevelInterpreter.asm and Programs/LLIntOffsetsExtractor and creating assembly file DerivedSources/JavaScriptCore/LLIntAssembly.h.
[09:04] <seb128> 	from ../Source/JavaScriptCore/offlineasm/asm.rb:208:in `<main>'"
[09:05] <seb128> wth?
[09:05] <didrocks> never heard you telling about it :)
[09:16] <didrocks> ah, at least, getting the same issue on a pbuilder
[09:22] <chrisccoulson> oh, i didn't realize you liked webkit so much seb128?
 did I say before that I love webkit?
[09:23] <chrisccoulson> ;)
[09:25] <seb128> chrisccoulson, you are looking for new challenges I can see! ;-)
[09:25] <chrisccoulson> lol
[09:25] <seb128> chrisccoulson, how are you?
[09:26] <chrisccoulson> seb128, yeah, not too bad thanks. i got our tb contacts thing working with the new eds now :)
[09:26] <chrisccoulson> how are you?
[09:26] <seb128> \o/
[09:26] <seb128> I'm good thanks
[09:26] <chrisccoulson> i may as well try and implement some of the missing features whilst i'm working on it now ;)
[09:28] <seb128_> stupid wifi
[09:29] <seb128_> chrisccoulson, I was saying, since you have experience with those eds changes you can probably help porting stuff ;-)
[09:29]  * seb128_ hides again
[09:29] <chrisccoulson> heh ;)
[09:29] <chrisccoulson> what else needs porting?
[09:31] <seb128_> chrisccoulson, http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/nbs.html
[09:33] <chrisccoulson> what does ubuntuone-client use eds for?
[09:34] <seb128_> nautilus/contacts-view.h
[09:34] <seb128_> hum
[09:35] <seb128_> they have a contact picker apparently in their nautilus integration
[09:35] <seb128_> I wonder if that's actually used, I never saw the ui
[09:47] <seb128> didrocks 1 - 2 gnome-desktop3 ;-)
[09:55] <Sinusoidal> can we kill off that side bar panel
[09:58] <didrocks> seb128: it's really sneaky, indeed ;)
[10:31] <chrisccoulson> mmm, just had a big delivery of beer
[10:32] <seb128> chrisccoulson, did you order it or is somebody being nice with you? ;-)
[10:32] <chrisccoulson> seb128, oh, i ordered it ;)
[10:33] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: now that you are drunk, I have some thunderbird question for you :)
[10:33] <chrisccoulson> oh no
[10:33] <chrisccoulson> ;)
[10:33] <seb128> chrisccoulson, got another tactical nuclear pingouin? :p
[10:33] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: so, I have a folder which is marked with 4 unread items, for a few days
[10:33] <chrisccoulson> seb128, heh, not this time ;)
[10:33] <didrocks> when clicking on it, nothing happens, no new email
[10:35] <chrisccoulson> :(
[10:36] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: any idea how to debug this?
[10:36] <chrisccoulson> didrocks, what happens if you right click on the folder, open the properties dialog and run "Repair Folder"?
[10:36] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: let me try this
[10:37] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: it worked \o/
[10:37] <didrocks> so the local index was damaged?
[10:37] <chrisccoulson> i guess so. i'm not sure why that happens though :)
[10:38] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: another quite related question: it's frustating when you are going offline that you don't get your emails in the new folders available, even if you stayed beforehand connected for an hour
[10:38] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: there is no way to tell thunderbird "please make the emails available offline and download them"?
[10:40] <chrisccoulson> didrocks, if you go in to the account settings, select "Synchronization & Storage", open the Advanced dialog, are all of the folders checked?
[10:40] <didrocks> is it the File -> synchronise option?
[10:40] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: yeah, they are all checked
[10:41] <didrocks> but I clearly see it retrieves the emails only when I click on a folder
[10:41] <chrisccoulson> ah
[10:42] <chrisccoulson> yeah, i guess that's related to the fact that the folder is not included new mail checking
[10:42] <chrisccoulson> you can fix that in the per-folder properties
[10:42] <didrocks> hum, on the global setting, I did the "new mail checking" option
[10:42] <chrisccoulson> but there's nowhere in the UI yet to apply that to the whole account :(
[10:43] <chrisccoulson> oh, which setting was that?
[10:43] <didrocks> like please check every folder
[10:43] <didrocks> the one you made me checking in the about:flags or similar
[10:43] <chrisccoulson> ah, maybe that doesn't work as i expected
[10:43] <chrisccoulson> i'll have to check
[10:43] <didrocks> to sum up:
[10:44] <didrocks> - I see that there are new emails available on all my folders (great!) with that option enabled
[10:44] <didrocks> - however, the emails themselves are not downloaded (and so not available offline), I need to click on the folder to get them retrieved
[10:44] <chrisccoulson> ah, i understand now
[10:45] <didrocks> hope that makes sense :)
[10:45] <chrisccoulson> yeah
[10:46] <didrocks> last thing and I'll stop bothering you :)
[10:46] <chrisccoulson> i'd need to spend some time looking at it to figure it out though :)
[10:46] <didrocks> I noticed that the "quick filter" button is dismissed regularly
[10:46] <didrocks> at first, I thought it was me triggering a shortcut without seeing that
[10:46] <didrocks> but then seb128 confirmed last week
[10:46] <didrocks> can be at each thunderbird update, I didn't notice that
[10:47] <didrocks> as it's the only place where there is the effective search box, it's quite annoying :)
[10:47] <chrisccoulson> oh, i've not noticed that before. i always keep it hidden to avoid clutter
[10:47] <didrocks> did you notice that? what can remove this user personal pref?
[10:47] <didrocks> it's good though! you can *search* ;)
[10:48] <didrocks> more seriously, it seems that this settings is reset regularly (don't have a pattern though, but still happens ~ once a week/every 2 weeks
[10:48] <didrocks> really smeel like at each thunderbird update :)
[10:48] <didrocks> smell*
[10:48] <chrisccoulson> didrocks, yeah, i summon it with ctrl+shift+k :)
[10:48] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: my head is exploding already with shortcut!
[10:49] <chrisccoulson> heh
[10:49] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: can you keep on eye on this to confirm on next update please?
[10:49] <chrisccoulson> yeah, sure
[10:49] <didrocks> thanks :)
[10:49] <didrocks> it's minor, but still annoying
[10:50] <didrocks> oh also, I have the "chat" button
[10:50] <didrocks> did I install anything by mistake?
[10:53]  * didrocks goes out for a run
[11:02] <seb128> hate hate hate tb
[11:02] <seb128> the damn thing is useless to reply to email when trying to quote parts, I'm glad I don't do that often
[11:03] <seb128> it keeps dropping the formatting and the color bars on the side, it's driving me crazy
[11:03] <seb128> you can't delete 5 lines in a 8 lines paragraph, it just puts the 3 remaining ones in one line and drop the quoting
[11:10] <seb128> chrisccoulson, http://ubuntuone.com/6WyB0k2I1pTmgeQoO2T3CK
[11:10] <seb128> chrisccoulson, am I doing anything wrong there?
[11:10] <seb128> can somebody explain me how to format things in there ;)
[11:24] <Sweetshark> seb128: mutt wins!
[11:26]  * Sweetshark seems to be a lot closer to having solved bug 1017125. However it suggests that boost::unordered_multimap<> is broken on quantal, so I dont know if I should be happy about that.
[11:26] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1017125 in libreoffice "LibreOffice crash in xmloff.Impress.XMLContentImporter::com::sun::star::document::XImporter" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1017125
[11:26] <didrocks> seb128: having the same experience here (never with gmail btw)
[11:40] <seb128> Laney, thanks for the gtk update, please announce on the channel updates you work on in new GNOME days like that though
[11:40] <seb128> Laney, I was about to start on gtk ;-)
[11:41] <seb128> Laney, version takes 1.5 hours to run atm which is not reactive enough to avoid duplication in busy days
[11:42] <seb128>  
[11:42] <seb128> doing telepathy-glib update
[11:42] <Laney> seb128: oh, sorry, I thought filling the bug was enough
[11:42] <seb128> Laney, it usually is, but as said the roundtrip is some hours and on busy days where we are several to tackle updates it doesn't hurt to mention it there as well
[11:43] <seb128> Laney, will you do glib? ;-)
[11:44] <Laney> yeah I suppose I can do that in exp
[11:44] <seb128> Laney, thanks
[11:54] <jbicha> seb128: would you like to sponsor clutter-1.0 for me? http://people.ubuntu.com/~jbicha/clutter-1.0/
[11:54] <jbicha> for some reason, clutter* isn't in the desktop set any more http://people.canonical.com/~stgraber/package_sets/quantal/ubuntu-desktop
[11:54] <seb128> jbicha, hey, can do
[13:02] <seb128> grrrr webkit
[13:03] <seb128> srly, http://trac.webkit.org/browser/trunk/Tools/gtk/patches/make-3.82-arg-list-length.patch
[13:03] <seb128> needs to patch make to not run into a "execvp: /bin/bash: Argument list too long"
[13:04] <kenvandine> seb128, good times!
[13:05] <seb128> kenvandine, you said you wanted to maintain webkit right?
[13:05]  * kenvandine sips coffee quietly
[13:05] <seb128> hehe
[13:05] <didrocks> I saw him volonteering
[13:05]  * kenvandine had to patch generated xml for chromium... i don't want to hear about it :-p
[13:31] <Sweetshark> seb128: *cough* http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/tree/solenv/gbuild/Tempfile.mk
[13:35] <seb128> Sweetshark, thanks
[13:53] <Sweetshark> HAVE_GNUMAKE_FILE_FUNC is only in our (LibreOffice) own make build. AFAIK the patch has been submitted to upstream, but responsiveness there was like punching a bag of sand.
[13:55] <seb128> Sweetshark, do you have the bug reference?
[14:02] <Sweetshark> seb128: BoD call right now,sorry
[14:05] <Sweetshark> seb128: ah, ups. call is in one hour
[14:09] <seb128> bah
[14:09] <seb128> $ fakeroot dbus-launch dbus-monitor
[14:09] <seb128> Failed to open connection to session bus: Did not receive a reply.
[14:09] <seb128>  
[14:09] <seb128> does anyone know how to workaround that?
[14:28] <smartboyhw> Hi.
[14:30] <seb128> smartboyhw, hey
[14:30] <smartboyhw> Hi!
[14:30] <smartboyhw> How are you guys doing?
[14:30] <seb128> good, you?
[14:31] <smartboyhw> What can I do for the Desktop team?
[14:31] <seb128> Sweetshark, btw how is the unity-menus work for libreoffice going? your work items are flat...
[14:31] <seb128> smartboyhw, what things would you be interested working on?
[14:31] <smartboyhw> Anything????!?!!?!
[14:32] <smartboyhw> seb128: Hopefully I can do the testing works...
[14:33] <seb128> there are plenty of things to do around, package updates, bugs fixing, translations, bug triage, testing, ...
[14:33] <smartboyhw> I'm in Bugsquad...
[14:33] <smartboyhw> Did some translation, also in QA Team testing things...
[14:34] <Sweetshark> seb128: Ill forward you the status.
[14:34] <seb128> Sweetshark, thanks
[14:35] <seb128> smartboyhw, bug triaging and testing of what issues are fixed in current version is appreciated ;-)
[14:35] <smartboyhw> OK, give me a bug...:)
[14:36] <Sweetshark> seb128: workitems are flat because boost broke libreoffice and it was a pain to debug.
[14:36] <seb128> Sweetshark, lot of those are also bugs from the menus
[14:37] <seb128> smartboyhw, https://bugs.launchpad.net/~desktop-bugs/+packagebugs
[14:37] <smartboyhw> ?
[14:38] <smartboyhw> Can I apply to join the Launchpad team?
[14:39] <Sweetshark> seb128: status.ubuntu.com is lying to you there. that are all the bugs that shall be fixed with the reimplementation. it makes no sense to track them individiually.
[14:39] <Sweetshark> (as we are not incrementally fixing the old stuff)
[14:40] <seb128> Sweetshark, status doesn't "lie", it just list what you set up to track
[14:40] <seb128> Sweetshark, https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-p-libreoffice-lo-menubar-polish
[14:40] <smartboyhw> Someone answer my question in time?
[14:40] <seb128> Sweetshark, see "Related bugs"
[14:40] <seb128> smartboyhw, what team? the bugsquad? ask on #ubuntu-bugs
[14:41] <smartboyhw> "Ubuntu Desktop Bugs Team"
[14:43] <Sweetshark> seb128: well, they will either all be fixed when we replace the old impl with the new one or not if we dont. thus status.ubuntu.coms assumption of a nice linear progression is wrong here.
[14:43] <seb128> smartboyhw, it's an open team, feel free to subscribe
[14:44] <seb128> Sweetshark, well, are we tracking that the new implementation doesn't have those issues?
[14:45] <Sweetshark> seb128: we can only start that once the new implementation is in a state that I can test something ...
[14:45] <seb128> Sweetshark, how far from there are we? ff is in 2 weeks...
[14:46] <smartboyhw> No, It is a moderated team.
[14:46] <Sweetshark> seb128: see ollis mail. its tight.
[14:51] <smartboyhw> seb128: See my moderated team thing?
[14:52] <seb128> smartboyhw, yes, apply and I will ack you
[14:52] <smartboyhw> Don't ack me.
[14:52] <smartboyhw> Let me in.
[15:25] <seb128> didrocks, kenvandine, mterry, Sweetshark, tkamppeter, Laney, mlankhorst, cyphermox: the meeting time is in 5 min if you have any topic to add, please update https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Meeting/2012-08-07 (if you didn't do it yet) with what you did as well, thanks
[15:25] <smartboyhw> Wow, I am  going to attend this.
[15:25] <smartboyhw> Is it in #ubuntu-meeting?
[15:25] <mterry> smartboyhw, just here
[15:25] <smartboyhw> OK.
[15:26] <mterry> smartboyhw, but we often skip it for lack of agenda items needing discussion.  But if you have questions or some such?
[15:27] <smartboyhw> Looking at the agenda
[15:27] <smartboyhw> NOTHING!?!?!?!??!!!!?!!?
[15:27]  * smartboyhw thinks that the agenda is BULLS**T.
[15:27] <smartboyhw> Sorry.
[15:28] <cyphermox> smartboyhw: feel free to bring up agenda items in here, we can discuss them and see if it's something we should add to the agenda for the meeting
[15:28] <smartboyhw> So will you guys still have your meetings?
[15:28] <mlankhorst> seb128: nothing here, nouveau is angry at me :)
[15:28] <cyphermox> seb128: I added some of what I did :)
[15:28] <kenvandine> smartboyhw, we always gather in case there are topics
[15:28] <mterry> smartboyhw, UDS is where we set up an agenda for 6 months in advance.  These meetings are just for anything that comes up that needs discussion, which is rare
[15:28] <seb128> mterry, hey, feeling better today?
[15:28] <kenvandine> but we talk all the time :)
[15:28] <seb128> cyphermox, thanks
[15:29] <smartboyhw> cyphermox: No.
[15:29] <mterry> seb128, enough to do some work
[15:29] <mlankhorst> but I think i915 likes me so I may send out the crap I have..
[15:29]  * seb128 hugs mterry
[15:29] <smartboyhw> I'm a newbie, I need to learn to the Desktop team.
[15:29] <mterry> welcome  :)
[15:29] <seb128> mterry, I guess I can't get the flu over internet ;-)
[15:29] <mterry> seb128, heh  :)
[15:29] <kenvandine> haha
[15:29] <smartboyhw> What's this team? https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages
[15:29] <cyphermox> yay for not FoE not yet being invented!
[15:29] <kenvandine> mterry, 2 of my kids are sick... i am doomed
[15:30] <seb128> smartboyhw, it's writing on the page, "Team which is being use to track all the desktop packages."
[15:30] <cyphermox> I started being sick two weeks ago, I'm now well but still coughing... yet it's summer!
[15:30] <smartboyhw> Yep, but it only has quite a few people...
[15:30] <mterry> smartboyhw, yeah, just for QA reports and such I think
[15:30] <seb128> ok, so who has a topic?
[15:31] <smartboyhw> YEAH! QA!
[15:31] <seb128> do update your work items btw ;-)
[15:32] <cyphermox> smartboyhw: compare with ~desktop-bugs which is a superset of the ~desktop-packages team, that one has a lot of people, and serves to get the bug reports for desktop packages
[15:32] <smartboyhw> I'm in ~desktop-bugs.
[15:33] <kenvandine> mterry, i just uploaded signond with fixed tests :)
[15:33] <mterry> kenvandine, nice
[15:33] <kenvandine> the last two are going to be hard
[15:33] <kenvandine> can't be fixed without getting all the keyring bits mocked out
[15:33] <Laney> seb128: care to copy gtk to release?
[15:33] <kenvandine> which they'll do... but not this week
[15:34] <smartboyhw> o/
[15:34] <cyphermox> kenvandine: signond? sorry, I didn't follow what that was for :)
[15:35] <kenvandine> it's ubuntu online accounts
[15:35] <smartboyhw> Why did hggdh quit?
[15:36] <seb128> Laney, done
[15:36] <mterry> kenvandine, well, if it's going to be time consuming and it's the only blocker, we can spin that off to a separate bug with a milestone on beta and clear these guys to go into main for testing.  I think that'd be better for them in the long term
[15:36] <Laney> \o/
[15:36] <mterry> kenvandine, with the understanding that spinning off to a separate bug does not diminish the importance  :)
[15:36] <mterry> I'll add a comment as such
[15:37] <kenvandine> mterry, thanks!
[15:37] <smartboyhw> When is normally the length of a meeting?
[15:38] <kenvandine> smartboyhw, varies, depending on how much we have to talk about
[15:38] <cyphermox> smartboyhw: not long at all if there are no agenda items
[15:38] <smartboyhw> Well, I guess this meeting will end soon, though I don't know.
[15:38] <kenvandine> smartboyhw, i think it is over :)
[15:39] <smartboyhw> Oh...
[15:39] <mterry> smartboyhw, but we're always here anyway if there are questions or comments
[15:40] <smartboyhw> Well, I'll be back in a few minutes, I think...
[15:43] <seiflotfy> alecu: ping
[15:44] <alecu> seiflotfy: hi!
[15:44] <mterry> kenvandine, eh, looking at the MIR bug again, the security team is the real limiting reagent here.  If they clear the bugs, but we're still waiting on tests, we can do the split out thing.  But no need yet I guess
[15:44] <Sweetshark> seb128: http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/contrib/dev-tools/commit/make-3.82-gbuild?id=75c7ee67633fac25b0fb70bc96b6df31c2a450e6 <- the file function for make seems to be in their next release, we only backported it.
[15:45] <kenvandine> mterry, well i hope they approve them before we get the tests fixed... mardy is out until next week
[15:45] <seiflotfy> alecu: the issue with u1 pushing to many events into zeitgeist, did we fix that yet?
[15:46] <seb128> Sweetshark, thanks
[15:48] <alecu> seiflotfy: afaik, u1 still logs the same as before, but zg stopped doing FTS of events coming from u1.
[15:48] <alecu> seiflotfy: let me fwd the summary of what we discussed at the time with michal
[15:49] <smartboyhw> Bye, I need to go to sleep.
[15:50] <seiflotfy> alecu: i would like to reduce the amount of stuff logged by U1
[15:50] <seiflotfy> seems to me that we are getting events even if nothing in the file is changed
[15:50] <seiflotfy> just telling us the file was checked but nothing changed
[15:50] <seiflotfy> i think we need to log if
[15:50] <seiflotfy> 1) file or folder was changed
[15:51] <seiflotfy> 2) file or folder was created
[15:51] <seiflotfy> 3) file or folder was deleted
[15:52] <alecu> seiflotfy: only locally or remotely too?
[15:52] <seiflotfy> both
[15:52] <alecu> seiflotfy: then that's what should be logged right now.
[15:53] <alecu> seiflotfy: with what kind of files are you getting events when nothing has changed?
[15:53] <seiflotfy> alecu: wait just remote
[15:53] <seiflotfy> anything happening locally is already logged by zeitgeist
[15:53] <alecu> seiflotfy: hmmmm...
[15:54] <seiflotfy> mhr3: ^
[15:54] <alecu> seiflotfy: well, what u1 is currently doing is logging into zeitgeist the actions it takes as a result of what the user has done.
[15:55] <alecu> seiflotfy: so, if the user saves a file, u1 will log that as a result of that file being saved, u1 has copied it into the cloud.
[15:55] <seiflotfy> why is it logging the actions it takes
[15:55] <seiflotfy> hmmmmmmmm
[15:55] <seiflotfy> does it refer to it later again?
[15:56] <alecu> seiflotfy: and when a file is modified on some other computer, and the content in the cloud changes, u1 will locally log that it has downloaded the new contents to the local file.
[15:56] <alecu> seiflotfy: right now we are not referring to it at any point later.
[15:56] <alecu> seiflotfy: we planned to use those to show aggregate info, but we ended up doing it differently.
[15:57] <alecu> seiflotfy: so, right now the zg module of u1 is only used to store that info. The user may find it useful to know what files u1 has been syncing as a result of his actions.
[15:59] <alecu> seiflotfy: so, I seriously think we (both teams) should decide if this is making sense, or if it's just using cpu and db storage for no useful benefit.
[15:59] <seiflotfy> there is a benefit for knowing remote things that happen
[15:59] <seiflotfy> since it will allow searching them
[15:59] <seiflotfy> but local things are then logged twice
[16:00] <seiflotfy> so i prefer only having remote stuff in zeitgeist
[16:00] <alecu> right
[16:00] <seiflotfy> the remote stuff is badass actually
[16:00] <seiflotfy> :D
[16:01] <alecu> lol
[16:02] <seiflotfy> alecu: so can we work on this before the release if possible?
[16:02] <seiflotfy> 	brb
[16:03] <alecu> seiflotfy: you are talking about 13.04, right? :-)
[16:19] <mhr3> alecu, what i dont like is that when u1 pushes an event about remote file being updated, you really have no metadata of what caused that, zg tries very hard to differentiate between user actions and system actions, and this metadata is just missing
[16:20] <mhr3> imo without this the data is useless for us (for the use-cases of showing users the relevant stuff)
[16:24] <seiflotfy> mhr3: huh
[16:24] <seiflotfy> ?
[16:24] <seiflotfy> which data?
[17:19] <seb128> "ar: .libs/libWebCore.a: File truncated"
[17:19] <seb128> gnagnagna webkit gna
[17:19] <seb128> WTH
[17:20] <mlankhorst> seb128: out of disk space?
[17:21] <seb128> mlankhorst, could be, it's on a ppa, hard to say
[17:31] <chrisccoulson> seb128 ;)
[17:31] <chrisccoulson> you love it!
[17:31] <seb128> chrisccoulson, no I don't :p
[17:32] <chrisccoulson> heh
[17:33] <ogra_> seb128, you know, thats like an arranged marriage ... love will grow over time :P
[17:34]  * didrocks waves good night
[17:34] <didrocks> and good luck seb128 :)
[19:54] <robru> desrt, you around?
[20:22] <desrt> robru: yup
[20:22] <robru> oh hey
[20:22] <desrt> how can i help?
[20:22] <robru> I'm getting bitten by an intltool bug, I think it was you that wrote the fix for it, but it seems that the fix was either incomplete or has regressed.
[20:22] <robru> let me find the bug, one sec.
[20:22] <desrt> something about gsettings?
[20:23] <robru> no, the app menu. bug 923841
[20:23] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 923841 in intltool "intltool glade support doesn't work with menus" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/923841
[20:23] <desrt> ah.  i forgot about that one.
[20:24] <robru> So I have intltool 0.50.2-2 on quantal, and as far as I can tell that contains your fix.
[20:24] <robru> and I've reviewed your fix and it *looks good* to me
[20:24] <robru> but yet somehow I am still experiencing the problem!
[20:24] <desrt> did you list the file with the correct type in the POTFILES.in?
[20:24] <desrt> i think you have to include some magic like [type: gettext/glade] path/to/file.ui
[20:24] <robru> Yes!
[20:25] <desrt> hmm
[20:25] <desrt> i'm out of ideas :)
[20:25] <robru> https://github.com/robru/gottengeography/blob/master/po/POTFILES.in
[20:25] <desrt> oh
[20:26] <desrt> you're going to love this
[20:26] <desrt> intltool requires it to be translatable="yes"
[20:26] <robru> Well, I was browsing intltool source code, and the only idea that I had was that your fix was only for intltool-extract, there is a separate regex in intltool-update that has a big warning in the comments saying that it should be more consistent with the other one in intltool-extract.
[20:26] <desrt> you have translatable='yes'
[20:26] <desrt> (ie: it must be double quotes)
[20:26] <robru> no way!
[20:26] <robru> blah
[20:26] <desrt> ya
[20:26] <desrt> total stupidity
[20:26] <robru> ok, I'll fix up my XML then.
[20:26] <kenvandine> desrt, that is lovely
[20:26] <desrt> could be something else, but i think that's what it is
[20:26] <desrt> ...iirc
[20:27] <robru> This has been bugging me for over a week, can't believe I overlooked the quotes. Normally I am totally anal about quote conssitency ;-)
[20:27] <desrt> well
[20:27] <desrt> i prefer single quotes in xml as a matter of personal taste
[20:27] <desrt> which is why i know about this issue ;)
[20:27] <robru> Yeah, I prefer single quotes in my python code as well, but I'd been sticking to double-quotes in the XML because that's how glade was generating it.
[20:28] <desrt> in any case, this only affects the extraction phase
[20:28] <desrt> glib doesn't care which ones you use
[20:28] <desrt> but it does need the string in the .po file...
[20:28] <robru> Yeah, I already noticed that if I hand-write the .po file, it compiles and works fine.
[20:28] <robru> But my translators are complaining that if they use poedit or whatever automated tool, the menu translation would disappear.
[20:28] <desrt> yup
[20:28] <desrt> a legit concern
[20:29] <robru> k, fixing my quotes. thanks!
[20:29] <desrt> sorry you wasted so much time on this
[20:29] <desrt> maybe file an intltool bug about it?
[20:30] <robru> Not a bad idea.
[20:30] <desrt> (make sure it is indeed the problem first)
[20:31] <robru> Yeah, looks to be.
[20:43] <seb128> desrt, there?
[20:44] <desrt> yup
[20:44] <seb128> desrt, did you recommend pushing the new d-conf to proposed or were you just asking?
[20:44] <desrt> i was just asking
[20:44] <desrt> trying to understand the process better
[20:44] <seb128> desrt, i.e do you consider it as non trivial and likely to be buggy?
[20:44] <desrt> nothing to be nervous about, if that's why you ask :)
[20:45] <seb128> desrt, yeah, I'm double checking is that was a "be careful with that update" ;-)
[20:45] <seb128> desrt, thanks
[20:45] <desrt> there are only two changes that are outside of the editor
[20:45] <desrt> both bugfixes
[20:45] <desrt> and i think you already vendor-patched both of them?
[20:47] <seb128> desrt, yes, I did during GUADEC
[20:47] <desrt> cool
[20:47] <desrt> thomi: hey.  remember that bug you were seeing?  still seeing it?
[20:48] <seb128> desrt, did you get robert_ancell to do work or did you just did his work? ;-)
[20:48] <thomi> desrt: errr... which one?
[20:48] <desrt> the one where dconf would assert()
[20:48] <desrt> due to messages being delivered out of order
[20:48] <thomi> desrt: ahhh yes. Let me check
[20:49] <thomi> desrt: yes, we are
[20:49] <desrt> what package version?
[20:49] <desrt> and is there any way i can get access to your test system?
[20:49] <thomi> desrt: I've just kicked off another test run - if it happens this run I'll have some more up to date information for you
[20:50] <desrt> thomi: ideally you'd let the bug go to launchpad
[20:50] <thomi> desrt: sure, do you have VPN access to the magners lab?
[20:50] <desrt> to get properly retraced
[20:50] <desrt> i don't think so
[20:51] <thomi> desrt: hmmm, let me see if I can get you access somehow
[20:51] <seb128> thomi, how often do you upgrade the environment? the packages got pushed a week ago, you probably dot the update
[20:51] <desrt> thomi: maybe thumper can help?
[20:51] <thumper> ah, I see you found him
[20:51]  * thumper really wanders off to find coffee
[20:51] <desrt> ...later
[20:51] <desrt> thomi: i'm really really curious about this bug, so please keep me in the loop
[20:52] <thomi> seb128: we update before every run, but there's been some issues in the last week that mean that the tests haven't been running. Just fixed that this morning
[20:52] <thomi> desrt: yeah, will try and get you access now
[20:52] <desrt> even if it's only happening in "weird" cases, it's newly written code and it "should be impossible"
[20:52] <desrt> so i'm highly interested in tracking it
[20:53] <seb128> I wonder if my laptop is having hardware issues, or the kernel is crap or what
[20:53] <thomi> thumper: can you raise an RT with is to get desrt lab access?
[20:53] <desrt> seb128: both? :)
[20:53] <desrt> seb128: get a thinkpad!
[20:53] <seb128> desrt, no way :p
[20:53] <desrt> hippie
[20:53] <desrt> well
[20:53] <desrt> at least you're not one of those fruit-eaters
[20:54] <seb128> I wish I could figure what is wrong with my box :-(
[20:54] <seb128> often after builds it becomes very laggy for a while
[20:54] <seb128> top load is quite high (like >
[20:54] <seb128> top load is quite high (like > 3)
[20:54] <desrt> thermal CPU scaling?
[20:54] <desrt> what is taking the CPU?
[20:55] <seb128> it would make sense but sensors says the cpu is at 59°C
[20:55] <desrt> just kernel threads?
[20:55] <seb128> well, it's weird
[20:55] <seb128> random normal stuff that should take 5% takes 90%
[20:55] <seb128> it's like my CPU was frequency downscaled to a pentium III
[20:55] <desrt> you should check your cpu frequency during these times
[20:56] <desrt> maybe it did get downscaled
[20:56] <desrt> also: stop trying to build libreoffice/webkit :)
[20:56] <desrt> it's like violating the international convention on rights of the laptop
[20:56] <seb128> I don't, I throw webkit to ppas
[20:56] <seb128> the main offenser for those issues is the glib testsuite
[20:57] <desrt> oh wow
[20:57] <desrt> so it doesn't even have to be some multi-hours build for this to happen?
[20:57] <seb128> no
[20:57] <desrt> ya.  that's not normal.
[20:57] <seb128> like it's happening atm with a 10min evince build
[20:57] <seb128> top - 22:57:43 up 12:52,  4 users,  load average: 3.50, 2.87, 1.82
[20:57] <desrt> what's your CPU frequency?
[20:58] <seb128> how do I tell?
[20:58] <seb128> cpufreq-info?
[20:58] <desrt>  /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/cpuinfo_cur_freq
[20:59] <seb128> 1199000
[20:59] <desrt> lower than one would expect, given that you're compiling...
[20:59]  * desrt is at 800mhz, but nearly completely idle
[21:00] <desrt> check dmesg for any notices/warnings?
[21:01] <seb128> desrt, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1134957/
[21:01] <chrisccoulson> seb128, i keep seeing the same thing on my system
[21:02] <seb128> dmesg spams with
[21:02] <seb128> [46463.221051] [drm:drm_gem_create_mmap_offset] *ERROR* failed to allocate offset for bo 0
[21:02] <desrt> ya.  that's almost certainly unrelated
[21:02] <chrisccoulson> every now and again, my laptop slows to a crawl and it seems that CPU stays at its lowest frequency
[21:02] <seb128> right, I was going to say
[21:02] <mlankhorst> Hey sounds familiar but can't remember from when..
[21:02] <chrisccoulson> sometimes happens after connecting the power cable here...
[21:02] <desrt> "the kernel is causing my computer to run like shit!"
 hey!  sounds familiar...
[21:02] <chrisccoulson> hah
[21:02] <seb128> it's very weird
[21:03] <seb128> because rebooting doesn't seem to fix it
[21:03] <chrisccoulson> we should get rid of the kernel, and just replace it with a browser
[21:03] <seb128> it goes away after a bit of idle time though
[21:03] <seb128> it looks very much like it was overheating
[21:03] <seb128> chrisccoulson, we have similar laptops, I wonder if there is an hardware issue there
[21:04] <seb128> but I don't remember that happening before
[21:04] <seb128> well it's happening at least for 6 months
[21:04] <desrt> i wonder if your bios is running an excessive amount of machine interrupts
[21:04] <chrisccoulson> seb128, yeah, it's happened a few times here, but i can never easily reproduce it
[21:04] <seb128> but the first year I had the laptop I don't remember seeing that
[21:04] <seb128> desrt, is there any way to tell?
[21:04] <chrisccoulson> when it happens, it takes minutes to boot as well
[21:04] <desrt> seb128: i think the answer is no
[21:05] <desrt> they're supposed to be utterly and completely transparent
[21:05] <seb128> it's ridiculous, I'm only building evince and I can see a one second lag on chars typing on IRC
[21:05] <desrt> so the OS cannot detect/intercept/anything
[21:05] <desrt> but they're also supposed to be rare
[21:05] <seb128> chrisccoulson, yeah, same here, it's the weird thing
[21:05] <seb128> if that was a software bug I would assume a reboot would fix it
[21:05] <seb128> but it doesn't
[21:05] <seb128> boot it 5 times slower than usual when it happens
[21:05] <seb128> only waiting restore the system
[21:07] <seb128> powertop says
[21:07] <seb128>              90.2%        CPU use
[21:07] <seb128>             100.0%        Audio codec hwC0D0: IDT
[21:07] <seb128>             100.0%        Audio codec hwC0D3: Intel
[21:07] <seb128>             100.0%        USB device: EHCI Host Controller
[21:07] <seb128>             100.0%        USB device: EHCI Host Controller
[21:07] <seb128>             100.0%        USB Device: Intel built in USB hub
[21:07] <seb128> I wonder if the 100% usage for all the devices is normal
[21:07] <seb128> I'm not using my audio at all
[21:08] <mlankhorst> are they all on the same irq?
[21:08] <seb128> and USB only has a keyboard and mouse connected
[21:09] <desrt> seb128: cat /proc/interrupts
[21:09] <desrt> see if your ehci is on the same irq as your audio
[21:09] <seb128> desrt, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1134969/
[21:10] <desrt> appears not to be the case
[21:10] <seb128> no
[21:10] <seb128>             100.0%        Display backlight
[21:10] <seb128>             100.0%        Radio device: iwlwifi
[21:10] <seb128>             100.0%        USB device: DW375 Bluetooth Module (Dell Computer Corp
[21:11] <seb128> it's like all devices
[21:11] <seb128> I wonder WTH
[21:11] <seb128>             100.0%        USB device: DW375 Bluetooth Module (Dell Computer Corp
[21:11] <seb128>             100.0%        USB Device: Intel built in USB hub
[21:11] <seb128>  
[21:11] <desrt> sounds like a bad time to upgrade to quantal
[21:11] <seb128> well, anyway, I blame dell
[21:12] <seb128> desrt, it's precise, and I got that issue for over 6 months
[21:12] <desrt> oh.  wow.
[21:12] <desrt> i blame dell too then
[21:12] <seb128> I just never managed to figure out wth
[21:12] <desrt> since chrisccoulson and you have the same laptop
[21:12] <desrt> (although more likely it's a kernel bug that happens to affect that machine)
[21:12] <chrisccoulson> i blame compiz!
[21:12] <chrisccoulson> :)
[21:12] <desrt> the great thing about chrisccoulson is that he's always right
[21:12] <seb128> chrisccoulson, I would it if was not happening on boot as well :p
[21:12] <desrt> seb128: compiz is just _that_ bad
[21:12] <chrisccoulson> heh
[21:13] <seb128> lol
[21:13] <desrt> retroactive suckage
[21:13] <seb128> desrt, only having it on the disk is enough?
[21:13] <desrt> your laptop knows that you will load compiz soon
[21:13] <desrt> so it tries to be slow to delay it as long as possible
[21:13] <chrisccoulson> lol
[21:13] <seb128> chrisccoulson, btw while I'm ranting did you see my tb email editing sucking video today? http://ubuntuone.com/6WyB0k2I1pTmgeQoO2T3CK
[21:14] <desrt> what's the story with tb, anyway?
[21:14] <chrisccoulson> oh, i did have a quick look
[21:14] <desrt> are we switching to geary now? :)
[21:14] <seb128> desrt, I want geary
[21:14] <seb128> desrt, look at this video to see how bad tb is, I usually just write email, I tried to reply to some email and quote parts this week, that's an uter fail
[21:15] <seb128> it makes me want to go back to evo, that's saying something
[21:15] <desrt> cool
[21:15] <seb128> gtkhtml is better than that
[21:15] <desrt> looks like you backspaced over some formatting metacharacter or something
[21:15] <desrt> but....
[21:15] <seb128> desrt, it's doing it all over emails
[21:15] <desrt> i can't help but notice that you're running compiz
[21:15] <desrt> sure the issue is not related?
[21:15] <seb128> it's impossible to delete paragraphs
[21:16] <seb128> lol
[21:16] <jbicha> lol
[21:16] <desrt> lol!
[21:16]  * seb128 slaps desrt with a large trout
[21:16] <jbicha> we could switch to GNOME Shell & geary...
[21:16] <desrt> wow.  it's been a long time.
[21:16] <seb128> ;-)
[21:16] <desrt> jbicha: all the talk at GUADEC was about how unity really needs to be ported to mutter
[21:17] <desrt> ....again
[21:18] <chrisccoulson> really?
[21:18] <jbicha> it feels to me like mutter is tightly bound with GNOME Shell though
[21:18] <seb128> chrisccoulson, the discussions between desrt and larsu at least ;-)
[21:18] <chrisccoulson> heh
[21:18] <desrt> seb128: more like between didrocks seb128 and robert_ancell
[21:18]  * desrt only came to the conversation later
[21:19] <seb128> chrisccoulson, anyway stop pretending you didn't see my tb video :p
[21:20]  * desrt finds it ironic that seb128 uses an email about how we have too many bugs to demonstrate a bug
[21:20] <chrisccoulson> seb128, i did. i'm not sure what to say though. the editor sucks, and i'm not sure i want to start looking at code in there ;)
[21:20] <chrisccoulson> but then, everyone else feels the same, which is probably why it sucks!
[21:20] <seb128> chrisccoulson, "known issue" and no workaround advice? that's all I wanted to know ;-)
[21:20] <seb128> chrisccoulson, thanks
[21:21] <seb128> chrisccoulson, I just wanted if I was missing an option or extensions or something that would make it better
[21:21]  * jbicha tries out the yorba daily ppa
[21:21] <seb128> jbicha, geary is nowhere usable
[21:21] <seb128> well it might be if you use gmail
[21:21] <jbicha> geary : Depends: libsqlite3 (>= 3.7.4) but it is not installable
[21:21] <seb128> it segfaults on my french provider
[21:22] <jbicha> lol
[21:22] <jbicha> I guess it's Evolution then?
[21:22] <seb128> no, it's web ui
[21:22] <seb128> doh, I'm turning into jcastro and loosing faith in the desktop
[21:22] <chrisccoulson> i can't even get evolution to start here on a fresh profile
[21:22] <chrisccoulson> i complete the wizard, and then it crashes ;)
[21:22] <jbicha> seb128: are you on Quantal this week?
[21:23] <seb128> jbicha, somewhat, I added it to my sources.list and apt-get install stuff I work on or want to try
[21:23] <seb128> so I'm in an precise-quantal hybrid atm
[21:23] <jbicha> no wonder you're having problems!
[21:24]  * jbicha mass-closes bugs from seb128
[21:24] <seb128> lol
[21:24] <jcastro> seb128: don't lose hope!
[21:24] <seb128> I challenge that, I stay away from all problematic packages
[21:24] <jcastro> gmail integration with the desktop is great! (soon!)
[21:24] <seb128> jcastro, ;-)
[21:25] <seb128> jcastro, see what you did to me!
[21:25] <seb128> jcastro, you made me want to use gmail!
[21:26] <Laney> mutt always works fine :-)
[21:26] <jcastro> seb128: over time people will realize that web applications are ubuntu applications too, this is just the awkward time
[21:27] <jcastro> seb128: still I think you should fix evolution. :p
[21:27] <desrt> geary is really in a bad state, indeed
[21:27] <seb128> jcastro, I do enough nightmare with webkit thanks
[21:27] <desrt> third party imap providers are basically not working at all
[21:27] <seb128> desrt, right, they focussed on gmail and yahoo so far
[21:28] <seb128> it only supports 1 account also
[21:28] <seb128> I've 3 accounts I use
[21:28] <seb128> and they don't have an addressbook or contacts completion
[21:29] <seb128> well, it's a 0.1
[21:29] <seb128> it's going to take at least another year before it's usable for non trivial setups
[22:05] <thumper> seb128: wow, didn't realise geary was that unusable
[22:06] <seb128> thumper, it's still an early project
[22:06]  * thumper nods
[22:06] <thumper> seb128: how many hours a day are you working?
[22:06] <thumper> seb128: seems like a lot
[22:07] <seb128> thumper, lol, weird question to ask here, we all work too much ;-)
[22:07] <thumper> haha
[22:07] <seb128> thumper, I'm around for 9-10 hours usually I would say
[22:08] <seb128> I usually starts quite late (like 9-10am) and do a 2 hours break in the afternoon
[22:08] <seb128> so it means I'm usually around in the evening ;-)
[22:09] <seb128> thumper, well "work", I'm around on IRC for 2 hours while watching the olympics on TV, I'm not sure how much work that is ;-)
[22:11] <thumper> :)
[22:15] <desrt> thumper: you made him feel guilty and he left.  bad for productivity :p
[22:16] <thumper> desrt: haha
[22:51] <jasoncwarner_> TheMuso and bryceh i think we are it for the meeting this week https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Meeting/2012-08-07 if you have any agenda items, please add. And update your items as well!
[22:55] <TheMuso> No agenda items from me, will update the page accordingly as to this week's activity.
[23:00] <jasoncwarner_> thanks, TheMuso
[23:02] <bryceh> heya jasoncwarner_
[23:03] <bryceh> no agenda.  will update the status report
[23:03] <jasoncwarner_> hey bryceh how are things?
[23:03] <bryceh> jasoncwarner_, btw do we know when raof will be returning?  2-3 weeks?