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| smartboyhw | What meetings are here today? The calendar's changed to pm. s, so I now were confused. | 14:25 |
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| jamespage | o/ | 15:58 |
| hallyn | \o | 15:59 |
| * hallyn waits for a few more waves before starting | 16:00 | |
| adam_g | o/ | 16:01 |
| jimbaker | hi everyone | 16:01 |
| hallyn | good morning :) | 16:01 |
| hallyn | ooh we have utlemming too | 16:01 |
| hallyn | all right then i'll start | 16:01 |
| hallyn | #startmeeting | 16:01 |
| meetingology | Meeting started Tue Aug 7 16:01:55 2012 UTC. The chair is hallyn. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. | 16:01 |
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| hallyn | #topic Review ACTION points from previous meeting | 16:02 |
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| hallyn | none | 16:02 |
| hallyn | #topic Quantal Development | 16:02 |
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| hallyn | jamespage: over to you :) | 16:02 |
| jamespage | ta | 16:02 |
| jamespage | http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-quantal/ubuntu-server.html | 16:02 |
| jamespage | #link http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-quantal/ubuntu-server.html | 16:02 |
| hallyn | #link http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-quantal/ubuntu-server.html | 16:02 |
| hallyn | hm | 16:03 |
| jamespage | I had a review earlier today - a few to focus in on | 16:03 |
| jamespage | utlemming, | 16:03 |
| jamespage | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/servercloud-q-cloud-images | 16:03 |
| jamespage | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/servercloud-q-awstools | 16:03 |
| jamespage | just a checkin to make sure you are comfortable/on track with those two | 16:03 |
| utlemming | yeah, one of the first, the motu's don' | 16:04 |
| jamespage | smoser, utlemming: | 16:04 |
| jamespage | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/servercloud-q-cloud-init-utils | 16:04 |
| utlemming | want everything in debian, and there is a freeze in place | 16:04 |
| jamespage | utlemming, I'm sure kamal can get some new packages into unstable for you :-) | 16:05 |
| utlemming | on the cloud-image roundtable, that should be okay | 16:05 |
| smoser | jamespage, well, they're clearly behind and i'm sure some things will be postponed. | 16:05 |
| jamespage | Ursinha: | 16:06 |
| jamespage | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/servercloud-q-bug-triage-review | 16:06 |
| jamespage | we still need to catchup on that one - are you going to have some time for report updates etc? | 16:06 |
| jamespage | m_3, jimbaker: | 16:07 |
| jamespage | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/servercloud-q-juju-charm-unit-tests | 16:07 |
| jamespage | lots of stuff in progress - all OK? | 16:07 |
| jimbaker | jamespage, yes, we should be getting this connected up this week | 16:07 |
| Ursinha | jamespage, I've been working on reports, I need to catch up with you later | 16:07 |
| jamespage | jimbaker, great! | 16:07 |
| jamespage | Ursinha, fantastic | 16:08 |
| jamespage | sounds like things are moving along | 16:08 |
| jimbaker | i have the first goaround in terms of running manually with a nice DSL in bash | 16:08 |
| jimbaker | then hook up to m_3's charmtester charm | 16:08 |
| jamespage | remember feature freeze is on the 23 august (~2 weeks) - so any new stuff targetting main ideally needs to be in archive by then | 16:08 |
| jamespage | otherwise you have to beg for feature freeze exceptions.... | 16:09 |
| jimbaker | jamespage, that's been my fate in the past on the juju project :) | 16:09 |
| jimbaker | but time to squeeze it all in! | 16:09 |
| jamespage | \o/ - great | 16:09 |
| jamespage | so keep on updating blueprints as you complete stuff - helps keep overall track on progress | 16:10 |
| jamespage | so - http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/ubuntu-server/release-bugs.html | 16:10 |
| jamespage | #link http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/ubuntu-server/release-bugs.html | 16:10 |
| jamespage | hallyn, bot does not like me for some reason | 16:10 |
| jimbaker | jamespage, cool, m_3 and i were discussing this very stuff yesterday re blueprint updating | 16:10 |
| hallyn | jamespage: link didn't work for me either | 16:10 |
| hallyn | #LINK http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/ubuntu-server/release-bugs.html | 16:11 |
| hallyn | [LINK] http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/ubuntu-server/release-bugs.html | 16:11 |
| hallyn | <shrug> | 16:11 |
| jamespage | OK - so zul and adam_g have a few bugs in quantum and horizon in hand | 16:11 |
| zul | to say the least | 16:11 |
| hallyn | uh, MIR for netcf is not on the list | 16:11 |
| jamespage | we still need a volunteer to look at bug 844995 | 16:11 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 844995 in python-couchdb (Ubuntu) "Drop support for couchdb related packages" [Undecided,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/844995 | 16:12 |
| jamespage | any takers? | 16:12 |
| jamespage | (I'll sponsor it if someone wanted to have a first stab at some packaging updates...) | 16:13 |
| jamespage | hallyn, netcf - I'll need to subscribe ubuntu-server to the package for bugs - then it will appear | 16:13 |
| jamespage | looks like we have *alot* of MIR's in flight | 16:13 |
| hallyn | jamespage: great, thanks | 16:13 |
| jamespage | hallyn, done | 16:14 |
| hallyn | \o/ we'll wnat that anyway | 16:14 |
| jamespage | if you are raising MIR's please can you set a priority on the bug reports; at a minimum it helps prioritize focus for the MIR team | 16:15 |
| jamespage | should probably reflect the priority of the associated blueprint - remember you can link bugs to blueprints as well so they can be tracked on status.ubuntu.com | 16:15 |
| jamespage | any other quantal dev stuff anyone wants to raise? | 16:16 |
| hallyn | (i'll wait until smb's section :) | 16:17 |
| jamespage | hallyn, I think thats me done then | 16:17 |
| hallyn | thanks! | 16:17 |
| * smb shudders | 16:17 | |
| hallyn | #topic 12.04.1 Development (jamespage & smoser) | 16:17 |
| === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: 12.04.1 Development (jamespage & smoser) | ||
| hallyn | uh, and straight back to you? :) | 16:17 |
| jamespage | unless smoser wants the spot :-) | 16:17 |
| hallyn | smoser: \o | 16:17 |
| smoser | hey | 16:17 |
| smoser | so. basically the target for 12.04.1 is thursday | 16:18 |
| rbasak | o/ | 16:18 |
| smoser | if you're not going to have something in by then, then you should really consider it not in for 12.04.1 and retarget anything to -updates. | 16:18 |
| smoser | thats my general comment | 16:18 |
| hallyn | and http://people.canonical.com/~jamespage/server-sru/precise-sru.html is the definitive list? | 16:18 |
| jamespage | yeah - thats a good source | 16:18 |
| * jamespage must get the integrated somewhere more formal | 16:19 | |
| smoser | do you have anything specific, jamespage ? | 16:19 |
| jamespage | we need to nudge walinuxagent forwards but aside from that I think we are in an OK place | 16:19 |
| hallyn | moving along then, | 16:21 |
| hallyn | #topic Ubuntu Server Team Events | 16:21 |
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| hallyn | i assume quite a few people going to plumber's and associated events? | 16:21 |
| hallyn | or not :) | 16:22 |
| hallyn | any other events to mention? | 16:22 |
| hallyn | moving along, | 16:22 |
| hallyn | #topic Weekly Updates & Questions for the QA Team (hggdh) | 16:22 |
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| hallyn | hey hggdh | 16:22 |
| smoser | hallyn, are you going to plumbers? | 16:23 |
| hallyn | smoser: i am not :( | 16:23 |
| * smb is | 16:23 | |
| hallyn | no hggdh , moving along | 16:24 |
| hallyn | #topic Weekly Updates & Questions for the Kernel Team (smb) | 16:24 |
| === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Weekly Updates & Questions for the Kernel Team (smb) | ||
| hallyn | hey smb | 16:24 |
| smb | hey hallyn | 16:24 |
| smb | So wassup? | 16:24 |
| jimbaker | i am presenting juju at 3 separate events around boulder in the next 3 months: boulder lug, big data meetup (focused on zookeeper and how we use it, along w/ hadoop, etc), and the national center for atmospheric research | 16:24 |
| hallyn | my q was on bug 1031090 | 16:24 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1031090 in linux (Ubuntu) "kvm_intel not loadable in a quantal guest" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1031090 | 16:24 |
| smb | Not much to bring up specifically. The failure to load the kvm intel module is in progress. The upstream discussion is/was mostly on how/where to fix it (the right way). But rather will need to go into precise. | 16:24 |
| hallyn | is the fix for that known, or are you just saying "when someone whips up a fix we'll take it"? | 16:24 |
| hallyn | but precise is on 3.2 i thought? | 16:25 |
| * smb notes he was about to say something about tit | 16:25 | |
| smb | hallyn, Right, the problem is that loading the modules checks a msr for a feature which any real cpu would have | 16:25 |
| hallyn | (jimbaker is a travelin' fool) | 16:25 |
| hallyn | smb: right but i thought one comment said it was introduced in 3.3 | 16:25 |
| smb | but the older kvm modules did not set it for the nested case | 16:25 |
| smb | hallyn, Introduced yes as in adding the support for that feature | 16:26 |
| smb | but upstream thinks rather than handling the non-presence (which should not happen) in newer coder | 16:26 |
| smb | *code | 16:26 |
| hallyn | ah | 16:26 |
| smb | the old code should add it | 16:26 |
| smb | And I think 3.2 is about the only kernel that supports nesting and misses it | 16:27 |
| hallyn | we were never at war with eurasia, and that bug was never there | 16:27 |
| smb | Could be wrong though, then it needs backport to before | 16:27 |
| hallyn | smb: if we were to add itot the old code, is it simple to do? should we just do it to hit 12.04.1? | 16:28 |
| hallyn | eh, let's discuss in -server after the meeting? | 16:28 |
| smb | hallyn, ok, it would be simplish (hopefully safe) | 16:28 |
| hallyn | great, thanks | 16:28 |
| smb | hallyn, but yeah, lets move this on | 16:28 |
| hallyn | any other questions for smb? | 16:28 |
| hallyn | from smb? :) | 16:29 |
| smb | nothing mmore | 16:29 |
| hallyn | thanks smb. moving on, | 16:29 |
| hallyn | #topic Weekly Updates & Questions regarding Ubuntu ARM Server (rbasak) | 16:29 |
| === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Weekly Updates & Questions regarding Ubuntu ARM Server (rbasak) | ||
| rbasak | Nothing to report. Any questions for me? | 16:29 |
| jimbaker | rbasak, i assume good outcome of the java mtg i missed when i was on vac? | 16:30 |
| rbasak | Yeah I think so | 16:30 |
| * rbasak tries to remember | 16:30 | |
| rbasak | I think jamespage was more involved in that than I was | 16:30 |
| jamespage | jimbaker, ok-ish | 16:30 |
| jimbaker | no worries, i *might* have some insight on any java issues | 16:31 |
| jamespage | still no java 7 JVM implementation - soon! | 16:31 |
| hallyn | moving on? | 16:32 |
| jimbaker | so there are good results posted on the openjdk for java 7 on arm. anyway, i'll need to get onto arm hw soon enough for the testing doing w/ m_3 | 16:32 |
| jimbaker | so look then too | 16:32 |
| hallyn | any bounds on 'soon enough'? | 16:33 |
| jamespage | hallyn, not really - it has focus upstream but the invoke-dynamic stuff is proving complex to implement | 16:34 |
| hallyn | ok | 16:34 |
| hallyn | #topic Open Discussion | 16:34 |
| === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Open Discussion | ||
| jamespage | I have one for next week - I invited gema from the QA team to come and give us an overview of whats happing in QA this cycle | 16:35 |
| hallyn | cool | 16:35 |
| jamespage | specifically the new testing framework (UTAH) and how we can get more involved with test cases etc... | 16:35 |
| hallyn | yup, i still need to do that for lxc testcases | 16:36 |
| hallyn | (this might nudge me along) | 16:36 |
| hallyn | anything else? | 16:36 |
| hallyn | going twice, | 16:36 |
| hallyn | #topic Announce next meeting date and time | 16:36 |
| === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Announce next meeting date and time | ||
| hallyn | Tuesday Aug 14, same time as always | 16:37 |
| hallyn | thanks everyone | 16:37 |
| hallyn | #endmeeting | 16:37 |
| === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | ||
| meetingology | Meeting ended Tue Aug 7 16:37:24 2012 UTC. | 16:37 |
| meetingology | Minutes (wiki): http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-08-07-16.01.moin.txt | 16:37 |
| meetingology | Minutes (html): http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-08-07-16.01.html | 16:37 |
| jamespage | thanks hallyn | 16:37 |
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| jsalisbury | #startmeeting | 17:00 |
| jsalisbury | ## | 17:00 |
| jsalisbury | ## This is the Ubuntu Kernel Team weekly status meeting. | 17:00 |
| jsalisbury | ## | 17:00 |
| jsalisbury | [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/Meeting | 17:00 |
| meetingology | Meeting started Tue Aug 7 17:00:11 2012 UTC. The chair is jsalisbury. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. | 17:00 |
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| jsalisbury | [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ReleaseStatus/Quantal | 17:00 |
| jsalisbury | # Meeting Etiquette | 17:00 |
| jsalisbury | # | 17:00 |
| jsalisbury | # NOTE: '..' indicates that you are finished with your input. | 17:00 |
| jsalisbury | # 'o/' indicates you have something to add (please wait until you are recognized) | 17:00 |
| jsalisbury | Roll Call for Ubuntu Kernel Weekly Status Meeting | 17:00 |
| ppisati | o/ | 17:00 |
| henrix | o/ | 17:00 |
| kamal | o/ | 17:00 |
| herton | o/ | 17:00 |
| sforshee | o/ | 17:00 |
| smb | \o | 17:00 |
| apw | o/ | 17:00 |
| ogasawara | o/ | 17:01 |
| sconklin | \o | 17:01 |
| jsalisbury | [TOPIC] ARM Status (ppisati) | 17:01 |
| === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: ARM Status (ppisati) | ||
| ppisati | Q/omap4: porting of tilt-3.4 [1] on top of Q 3.5 master continues. | 17:01 |
| ppisati | The resulting kernel is available here: http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git?p=ppisati/ubuntu-quantal.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/ti-omap4-tilt-34-on-35 | 17:01 |
| ppisati | The entire patchset is available at http://people.canonical.com/~ppisati/ti-omap4-tilt-34-on-35/tilt-3.4/ | 17:01 |
| ppisati | The "done" directory contains the patches i already ported(1054), "skipped" contains the patches left for later evaluation(29) and "already" contains the patches found upstream(59) - so far 1142 out of 1708 patches were handled, work is progressing nicely. | 17:01 |
| ppisati | [1]: http://git.linaro.org/gitweb?p=people/andygreen/kernel-tilt.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/tilt-3.4 | 17:01 |
| ppisati | .. | 17:01 |
| jsalisbury | [TOPIC] Release Metrics and Incoming Bugs (jsalisbury) | 17:01 |
| jsalisbury | Release metrics and incoming bug data can be reviewed at the following link: | 17:01 |
| jsalisbury | [LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~kernel/reports/kt-meeting.txt | 17:01 |
| === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Release Metrics and Incoming Bugs (jsalisbury) | ||
| jsalisbury | .. | 17:01 |
| ogasawara | ogra_: ^^ just fyi, see ppisati's status | 17:02 |
| jsalisbury | [TOPIC] Milestone Targeted Work Items (ogasawara) | 17:02 |
| === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Milestone Targeted Work Items (ogasawara) | ||
| * ogra_ hugs ppisati | 17:02 | |
| ogasawara | [LINK] http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-quantal/canonical-kernel-distro-team-ubuntu-12.10-beta-1.html | 17:02 |
| ogra_ | (and ogasawara ) | 17:02 |
| ogasawara | || apw || hardware-q-kernel-config-review || 3 work item || | 17:02 |
| ogasawara | || || hardware-q-kernel-delta-review || 4 work items || | 17:02 |
| ogasawara | || || hardware-q-kernel-misc || 1 work item || | 17:02 |
| ogasawara | || || hardware-q-kernel-versions-and-flavors || 1 work item || | 17:02 |
| ogasawara | || || desktop-q-clean-old-kernels || 1 work item || | 17:02 |
| ogasawara | || bjf || hardware-q-kernel-misc || 1 work item || | 17:02 |
| ogasawara | || cking || hardware-q-kernel-misc || 1 work item || | 17:02 |
| ogasawara | || ogasawara || hardware-q-kernel-misc || 4 work items || | 17:02 |
| ogasawara | || tgardner || hardware-q-kernel-misc || 1 work item || | 17:02 |
| ogasawara | If your name is in the above table, please review your Beta-1 work items. | 17:02 |
| ogasawara | .. | 17:02 |
| jsalisbury | [TOPIC] Status: Quantal Development Kernel (ogasawara) | 17:03 |
| === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Status: Quantal Development Kernel (ogasawara) | ||
| ogasawara | We've recently uploaded the 3.5.0-8.8 Quantal kernel to the release | 17:03 |
| ogasawara | pocket. This upload includes misc bug fixes, upstream feature enablement | 17:03 |
| ogasawara | for Intel HW, and a sync of AUFS (even though we plan to keep it | 17:03 |
| ogasawara | disabled atm). This was also uploaded to the q-lts-backport [1] PPA to | 17:03 |
| ogasawara | help facilitate testing of the 12.10 kernel in 12.04. We welcome anyone | 17:03 |
| ogasawara | to please install, test, and let us know your feedback. | 17:03 |
| ogasawara | [1] https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat/+archive/q-lts-backport | 17:03 |
| ogasawara | Important upcoming dates: | 17:03 |
| ogasawara | * Thurs Aug 30 - Beta 1 (~3 weeks) | 17:03 |
| ogasawara | .. | 17:03 |
| jsalisbury | [TOPIC] Status: CVE's (sconklin) | 17:03 |
| === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Status: CVE's (sconklin) | ||
| sconklin | == 2012-08-07 (weekly) == | 17:03 |
| sconklin | Currently we have 96 CVEs on our radar, with one CVE retired this week. | 17:03 |
| sconklin | See the CVE matrix for the current list: | 17:03 |
| sconklin | [LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~kernel/cve/pkg/ALL-linux.html | 17:03 |
| sconklin | Overall the backlog has decreased slightly this week: | 17:03 |
| sconklin | [LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~kernel/status/cve-metrics.txt | 17:03 |
| sconklin | [LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~kernel/cve/pkg/CVE-linux.txt | 17:03 |
| sconklin | .. | 17:03 |
| jsalisbury | [TOPIC] Status: Stable, Security, and Bugfix Kernel Updates - Precise/Oneiric/Natty/Lucid/Hardy (bjf/herton/henrix) | 17:04 |
| === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Status: Stable, Security, and Bugfix Kernel Updates - Precise/Oneiric/Natty/Lucid/Hardy (bjf/herton/henrix) | ||
| henrix | Here is the status for the main kernels, until today (August 07): | 17:04 |
| henrix | 17:04 | |
| henrix | * Hardy - Nothing in this cycle | 17:04 |
| henrix | * Lucid - In Testing; 2 CVEs; (16 commits) | 17:04 |
| henrix | * Natty - In Testing; 3 CVEs; (6 commits) | 17:04 |
| henrix | * Oneiric - In Testing; 2 CVEs; 2 upstream stable release(s); (101 commits) | 17:04 |
| henrix | * Precise - In Testing; 3 CVEs; 3 upstream stable release(s); (212 commits) | 17:04 |
| henrix | 17:04 | |
| henrix | Current opened tracking bugs details: | 17:04 |
| henrix | * http://people.canonical.com/~kernel/reports/kernel-sru-workflow.html | 17:04 |
| henrix | 17:04 | |
| henrix | For SRUs, SRU report is a good source of information: | 17:04 |
| henrix | * http://people.canonical.com/~kernel/reports/sru-report.html | 17:04 |
| henrix | 17:04 | |
| henrix | Future stable cadence cycles: | 17:04 |
| henrix | * https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QuantalQuetzal/ReleaseInterlock | 17:04 |
| henrix | 17:04 | |
| henrix | The week of Sept. 6 is the week the last Natty kernel will be built. | 17:04 |
| henrix | .. | 17:04 |
| jsalisbury | [TOPIC] Open Discussion or Questions? Raise your hand to be recognized (o/) | 17:05 |
| === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Open Discussion or Questions? Raise your hand to be recognized (o/) | ||
| jsalisbury | Thanks everyone | 17:05 |
| jsalisbury | #endmeeting | 17:05 |
| === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | ||
| meetingology | Meeting ended Tue Aug 7 17:05:25 2012 UTC. | 17:05 |
| meetingology | Minutes (wiki): http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-08-07-17.00.moin.txt | 17:05 |
| meetingology | Minutes (html): http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-08-07-17.00.html | 17:05 |
| kamal | thanks jsalisbury | 17:05 |
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