[00:12] yeah binarymutant i don't mess with grub either but can't get it to work the first time :) [00:17] it didn't just automagicly work? [00:18] oh you have like multiple boot stuff right [00:19] I think the new menu.lst is /boot/grub/grub.cfg [00:19] ^ from ubuntu wiki [00:19] no binarymutant i am in a vm [00:20] yeah but that isn't exactlya replacement as you aren't supposed to edit grub.cfg [00:20] wb binarymutant :) [00:20] and binarymutant i'm in a vm [00:20] thanks, idk what happened :/ [00:21] should it matter if your in a vm? [00:21] and grub.cfg isn't exactly a drop in replacement for menu.lst you actually have all these differnent files that are executed when you update grub2 and it updates grub.cfg you aren't supposed to edit it directly [00:21] how are you supposed to edit it then... [00:21] ah update-grub I see it [00:21] binarymutant, lol http://i.imgur.com/StcN9.png [00:22] you edit all the other exectuable files [00:22] /etc/grub.d/10_customboot [00:22] the arch wiki really details it well [00:22] yep andi think there is a 20_linux or something like that [00:22] you can have several of those [00:23] does update-grub work in arch i thought that was ubuntu specific at one time? [00:23] the number corresponds to what's read first [00:23] wrst: idk :/ [00:23] yep i think that is right but anyway that will be a project i mess with sometime tongith when the little one goes to sleep [00:26] shouldn't be too hard [00:27] edit /boot/grub/custom.cfg or /etc/grub.d/whatever and run grub-mkconfig, seems easy [00:27] tabs, tabs everywhere! [00:28] http://tools.suckless.org/tabbed [00:30] ^ for more tabs [00:31] tiles, tiles everywhere! :P [00:32] lol [00:39] <-- bored -- [00:59] I am too, thus why I'm looking at fans... I hate comparing and having 12 tabs to compare against... [01:00] I'm seeing some good deals on tigerdirect [01:02] I can get a little obsessive sometimes when it comes to finding the best of something [01:36] how do you switch tabs when you have more than 10 open? [01:36] forget the fan dude get an hvac :P [01:38] scroll [01:38] I also have an obsession with scrolling [01:38] move mouse up top and scroll to switch tabs [01:39] hvac? [01:39] * chris4585 looks it up [01:39] ah, yeah I'd like an air conditioner.. that would probably solve the issue [01:40] but this is kind of a good deal too http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=6721497&CatId=494 [01:40] 103cfm, $9, 140mm too [01:48] hvac is how google + amazon etc do it [01:49] if your going with a fan I'd say get one with leds on it :D [01:49] lol [01:50] I have one, I'm not too big on leds but I'm sure I could find one just as good, I found one for my brother (green leds) with 69cfm [01:50] he doesn't care so much for performance as long as it is good [01:50] for $7 too, like I said I can get obsessive over something if I research it :< [01:50] http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=7100319&csid=_61 [01:51] thats a nice one [01:51] pretty [01:51] yeah [01:51] he has a purple one already, so green and purple are a good color combo [01:52] at first I didn't like the leds on my case's top fan but they grew on me, it really helps when I want to look inside [01:55] http://www.rackmountsolutions.net/Air_Conditioned_Server_Rack.asp [01:55] only 7000x more [01:55] err only 1000x more [01:56] lol, that's cool only if money wasn't an object... [01:56] lotto :P [01:56] led fans are cool and you don't need a light in the room with them [01:57] aren't there some other type of lighted fans too? [01:59] cold cathode ** [01:59] not sure what you mean, I know of the led, acrylic kind, there are also light strips too [01:59] hold on a sec [01:59] I have 2 cold cathode 120mm fans but no desktop lol [01:59] http://www.outletpc.com/su3369.html [02:00] that ^ which I find less of a hassle than a tube [02:00] o.o [02:00] also I love nzxt branded items [02:00] http://www.crazypc.com/products/casemods/lighting.htm#ccflfan [02:01] oh wow, that does look pretty cool [02:02] yeah and they're bright [02:04] probably not very performance orientated though, but cool nonetheless [02:04] yeah [02:04] I'd rather just use the nzxt led kit [02:05] I wish I could mod my laptop with some lights [02:06] I wonder if I can... [02:06] could possibly replace a fan with them somehow I image [02:07] I've never looked on the inside of a laptop and I really don't want to open mine, but I think I need to replace my fan.. and I hear a spring sometimes in mine [02:08] you've never opened a laptop? [02:09] when I was working at an oem laptops where big sellers [02:11] I mean I imagine I could fix it but its that first time doing it is what scares me... [02:11] http://rickycadden.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/eeepc_backlight_keyboard_425.jpg thats cool [02:12] laptops aren't that bad, the only thing breakable is the flimsy keyboard connector [02:12] well I guess it's all breakable but still [02:20] there's no aftermarket mods for my laptop [02:20] :( [02:24] that glowing keyboard is pretty cool [02:24] I'd rather just add performance to mine :/ [02:24] mine can get super hot if not being careful [02:25] yeah mine gets hot but it's no big deal [02:25] I barely turn mine off and have run some intensive stuff on it, no fires :D [02:29] I don't use mine so often, it is a back up more or less [02:30] but it gets the job done [02:35] now you got me looking at aftermarket stuff [02:38] lol [07:39] * chris4585 sigh, how hard is it to find an micro ATX case with room for just an HD, power supply and the mobo with plenty of fans [07:39] apparently impossible [07:39] I hate cd drives or 5.25 inch bays... [07:42] hrm I think I may have found one lol [12:44] http://xkcd.com/1091/ [13:01] mornign cyberanger [13:02] morning, peoples [13:03] hello xTEMPLARx [13:03] how's mr. stout today? [13:07] good i think, its still early :) [13:07] how be thee and thine? [13:23] we're pretty good, overall :D [13:23] can't comlain [13:23] or complain either [13:37] interesting [13:37] just had to do a partial upgrade [13:37] and now I think I have lost gnome-shell [13:44] hmm xTEMPLARx thats not nice [13:45] i know, right? [13:45] I mean, my system's still usable, just not what I asked for [13:45] :D [13:45] brb [13:52] strange [13:52] it acts like a mixture of gnome shell and old gnome [13:53] did they do a one-size-fits-all update that I wasn't aware was coming? [13:55] xTEMPLARx: sounds like you are in fallback mode? [14:00] I dunno [14:00] it has the dash up on the left [14:01] yet I still have the top and bottom bars now [14:01] which, honestly, I think I'd rather have [14:01] so I'm not trying too hard to fix it [14:01] compiz is running [14:01] so its still pretty [14:02] gnome-shell doesn't use compiz unless you have modified some things [14:03] ohh dash you are on unity... i'm sorry [14:03] well I meant that type of window manager [14:03] it may not be compiz [14:03] lemme check [14:03] xTEMPLARx: you are confusing me gnome-shell doesn't have a dash or compiz :) [14:03] yup its compiz [14:03] so you are on unity? [14:04] wrst: I think the stock gnome must use the dash then [14:04] its not unity [14:04] no gnome does not use dash [14:04] then we're both confused [14:04] i've done my best to stay away from Unity because it was gimpy and lame [14:04] when logging in, I selected Gnome Classic [14:05] reckon I didn't try hard enough [14:05] lol [14:05] brb again, more tinkering [14:14] looks like gnome-shell was uninstalled, and when I try to reinstall, i have a lot of "fix broken packages" messages now [14:14] hooray for partial upgrades [14:19] of course, it could be PPA troubles and not partial upgrade's fault [14:37] why a ppa xTEMPLARx? [14:40] because this machine has had 2 or three major upgrades done to it since it was commissioned, and the repository is full of a jumble of versions of ppas [14:41] they've been disabled/enabled, modified and hacked on [14:41] so this time, I think some stuff got changed during an upgrade installation that was the straw on the camel's back, and it took gnome-shell with it (which was installed via a PPA) [14:42] the last straw that is [14:44] I'm thinking a reinstall would help :) [14:45] argh [14:45] lol [14:45] not today [14:45] :D [14:45] maybe later, though [14:45] i've been wanting to switch to 64-bit for a while, and almost did that instead of upgrading to 12 from 11 [14:45] but I didn't have time [14:46] I always miss stuff when I have to wipe and reinstall [14:46] mailbox gets messed up [14:46] address book [14:46] etc [14:46] no matter how much time I spend trying to make sure I get everything [14:46] I end up missing something [14:48] yeah I don't care for upgrades main reason I use arch on my main machine [14:52] with /home on a seperate partition upgrades aren't that bad [14:52] True this [14:53] the only problem with that is Debian and derivatives run daemons system wide while Arch doesn't [14:53] i may have gotten around my package problem here [14:54] brb [14:58] welp, gnome-shell is back, and some compositing effects are in place, but awn is confused [14:58] hrm [14:58] binarymutant: I got a little farther with my issues. grub doesn't like my vm [14:59] nope I was wrong, compositing is NOT present... hrmmm [14:59] wrst: I must not understand how that works [14:59] driver issues? [14:59] binarymutant: it should just work :) [14:59] wrst: I thought vm's still used the /dev/sd* naming scheme [14:59] but it doesn't for me [15:00] oh wait, nvm that doesn't matter [15:00] bc in grub your doing (0,0) or whatnot [15:00] they do but getting grub errors now when installing I tried without scripts and got better feedback [15:01] long story short I'm going to try again using a gparted disk to set up partitions [15:02] what's the vm your using? [15:02] kvm? [15:02] virtual box [15:03] virtualbox was cool with syslinux, although that doesn't solve your problem [15:03] oracle owns vbox? [15:03] <- didn't know that [15:03] yupper [15:03] bought it up a while back [15:03] I think I can handle a bare metal install and that was really all I'm worried about [15:03] https://www.virtualbox.org/ticket/9926 [15:04] wrst ^ [15:04] binarymutant: I think vbox is one of the few things getting better with them [15:04] agreed wrst [15:05] it, at least, hasn't shown any signs of going downhill yet [15:05] thanks binarymutant good link for me! [15:09] urgh this stuff is overly complicated [15:11] that's why we like it! [15:11] too complicated for me [15:13] nah [15:13] Simplicity is the first thing in the Arch way :P [15:16] had to reboot [15:16] and [15:17] compositing works now [15:17] no rhyme or reason [15:17] but I'll take it [15:18] reboot for composite o_0 ? [15:18] there is always. a reason [15:19] wrst: I say go back to grub1 [15:20] yeah on a vm not worth it [15:20] just checking myself anyway [15:21] all this recent bootloader talk is making look at installing lilo [15:22] uefi and secure boot will really mess things up [15:24] yeah [15:25] sucks for people that keep up with the hardware stream [15:27] lol "only Caldera OpenLinux was supplying GNU's GRUB" [15:27] have you used win 8? [15:27] not me [15:28] its terrible [15:28] makes unity and gnome shell look like very traditional desktop options [15:29] yeah I'll never use it :P [15:30] <- stopped using windows during win98 [15:31] windows doesn't really offer anything I want [15:41] ima find me a new/fun bootloader today http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_boot_loaders [15:52] ugh.. does anyone else get bad tearing when using TwinView? [15:54] maybe it has something to do with disparate refresh rates? [16:01] tearing? [16:01] screenshot it :D [16:05] alyawn: have to say it works perfect for me [16:05] yeah it worked for me too :/ [16:05] what's a .S file? [16:06] source nevermind [16:10] tearing... like when playing a video you see data from 2 frames at the same time and could roll [16:10] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Screen_tearing [16:10] .S assembly [16:11] ah [16:11] it has to do with V-sync [16:11] I don't ever remember seeing the issue with 11.10 [16:11] oh well [16:11] too many windows open to restartx and fix [16:12] when I was using twinview I might have had tearing but just never noticed [16:13] probably an issue with nvidia's proprietary drive... what else is new [16:13] anyone know the command to print (to an actual printer) from vim? [16:13] you guys sure love to bash their proprietary drivers, but they've been solid as a rock for me for a long while now [16:14] other than the tearing they are good [16:14] no tearing here :P [16:14] me too xTEMPLARx [16:14] using TwinView? [16:14] admittedly not yet [16:14] i should steal someone's monitor and give it a shot [16:14] it works perfectly with only one monitor for me [16:15] * wrst hides his monitor [16:15] fwiw: Vsync should eliminate screen tearing. If it doesn't, it's likely a driver issue. Possibly even a display manager bug. [16:15] both of yours the same size, alyawn? [16:15] no... different resolutions and refresh rates [16:15] tearing could also be a hardware issue if the card's dirty and overheating :D [16:15] I'm a rebel [16:15] but that's likely not the issue [16:15] :hardcopy [16:15] unless you operate in a dusty environment [16:16] didn't think about dust/heat causing tearing. That's always caused artifacting in my exp. [16:17] binarymutant, thank you! soo many commands! [16:19] I think if I reset the refresh rate to be the same, it will probably fix, or at least hel [16:19] help* [16:20] wow... yay for ubuntu... [16:21] printing, using :hardcopy worked with 0 configuration, the first time [16:21] I don't think that's ever happened to me before [16:22] I've never used it before but that's good news [16:22] yeah... cups and ubuntu have come a long way [16:22] thank you apple :) [16:22] <- no printer - [16:23] does anyone know of a good print/scan combo that is verified Ubuntu compatible? my old DeskJet is showing its age [16:24] i think epson prolly is, but not sure [16:25] alyawn: i think about anything HP will most likely work they seem to me to be the best supported but i'm by far not an export i would locate printer google it etc etc to be fore sure [16:25] *for [16:25] thanks wrst [16:26] binarymutant, I remember back in the day using lpd that epson was great... may revisit [16:27] alyawn: have you considered going paperless? :D [16:28] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HpAllInOne [16:29] +1 for going paperless. I'm about 90% paperless. [16:30] saves the monies [16:32] well i have twinview going [16:32] only diff is the second monitor is way dark [16:33] xTEMPLARx: maybe you stole a bad monitor? the five fingered discount will always find you out :P [16:33] :D [16:35] maybe I should move to grub2 for the pretty gfx https://github.com/Generator/Grub2-themes/blob/66b03fc5aa751125995ddddf7700890d1d866568/Preview/Archinox_preview.png [16:36] pretty :D [16:38] alyawn: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16828115668 [16:38] i'm looking at one of those but i don't need color printing [16:46] Svpernova09, yeah, would love to go paperless, but lawyers still love paper [16:46] xTEMPLARx, try watching full screen video [16:46] wrst, ooh.. laser [16:47] and, the toner isn't much more than the freakin' ink carts [16:47] someone has to keep the paper industry in business :_D [16:48] yeah alyawn i may have to get that one for the hosue, and it works with my wife's blessed mac which for whatever reason has poorer print support than linux and they created the stinking cups system [16:48] I love that it's wired [16:48] the last thing I need is one more wireless device in my life [16:49] aww boo I've already put the monitor back where I found it :\ [16:49] heh ;) [16:58] urgh idk if I should update to grub2; risk vs reward, idk [17:02] binarymutant: DON'T DO IT! [17:02] especially just for the pretty :) [17:04] giving it thought [17:11] added bonus: difficult to find menu settings [17:14] speaking of nvidia drivers, they released a new update that fixes the security hole in their drivers in the repos [17:22] omg rebooting, hope I did grub2 right cuz that would suck （　ﾟ Дﾟ） [17:23] easy peazy [17:24] the grub2 theme looks good too :D [17:25] binarymutant: do you have multiple os's? [17:25] wrst: nope just the one [17:25] and you have me considering a theme now [17:25] i wish you hadn't don't that binarymutant! [17:25] :P [17:26] yeah now i'm going to reconsider that :) [17:26] the overly detailed grub2 wiki page had me worried, but it was easy [17:27] brb need a cigerette after that stress lol [17:27] ha ha [17:37] yay so updated now [17:38] ha ha binarymutant :) [18:17] hey guys hoiw yall doing [18:17] good here [18:18] im hot and heated but ill be ok lol [18:18] guy from quickbooks pissed me off [18:19] he's trtying to tell how to setup the linux server stuff they have and he doesnt even know linux [18:20] then tells me a linux guy is avail. tomorrow at 12 [18:22] what are you doing with quickbooks and linux? [18:22] guy wants it on his server [18:22] *rolls eyes* [18:23] can you do it? [18:25] its on there but it's not working the way it should so i would say right now no [18:25] i would like to end this job here tbh [18:26] so it's just not configured right or something? I've never used quickboos [18:27] right [18:27] and the support didnt know how to [18:28] vychune: what's wrong with it? [18:29] it work do a mode that he needs [18:29] s/work/won't [18:29] hmm what mode I'll look it up [18:29] and QB isnt supported on ubuntu [18:30] opensuse and RHEL yes [18:30] ubuntu no [18:30] well nothing is really supported by ubuntu [18:30] I don't see how redhat supports it [18:30] well yeah [18:31] OpenSuse? Ehhh... [18:31] cant stand opensuse [18:31] Gentoo. :D [18:32] havent had a chance for that yet [18:32] Nor would I want to. :P [18:34] vychune: what mode of qb doesn't work? [18:35] sounds to me more like a client problem rather than a server problem [18:36] nultiuser [18:36] ikr [18:39] did you setup samba? [18:40] Samba isn't bad, and pretty easy to setup. [18:46] vychune: http://support.quickbooks.intuit.com/support/Articles/SLN40812 also sounds like this [18:48] for some reason I thought quickbooks was MS only ... didn't know linux could do it [18:49] must be a small to mid size business though bc no enterprise would get caught up in that vendor lockin [18:52] yeah [18:52] fred remmers in copper young [18:52] binarymutant: read that no help [18:52] but thank you [18:56] i'm so done with this [18:56] after this im passing him on lol [18:56] gonna go bbl [18:56] thanks binarymutant [18:56] o/ [18:56] laters [18:58] mid-sized business'd [19:00] anyone know a good unicode symbol for a cpu? [19:00] http://i.imgur.com/ZmuLr.jpg like this one beside the "6%" [19:09] I guess ⚙ will due [20:08] * netritious waits for new samsung captivate glide and wife's new iphone to charge [20:12] first apple product in my house since 1988 [20:15] nice! [20:16] thx alyawn :) [20:16] not a big fan of apple, but for my wife I'm hoping it'll be low maint. [20:18] good luck :) [20:19] i'll need it lol. [20:24] netritious: my wife has an ipad and a macbook i must say i never have to touch them [20:27] why isn't there a font that does all the unicode characters?? [20:29] batang has a nice set [20:30] is that a windows font? [20:30] it's a truetype font, yes [20:30] are you using it right now? [20:31] go here to test http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/utf8.html [20:31] nope, not a truetype font :? thought it was but it's not [20:32] i use the character map built into windows to explore installed fonts. [20:32] ὕαλον ϕαγεῖν δύναμαι· τοῦτο οὔ με βλάπτει. [20:33] I'm on fixed right now, I can see everything but english looks horrid [20:33] eek [20:34] I wonder if there's a way to use a good font and then fall back on fixed when needed... [20:35] something else I need to learn about...the way fonts are managed in linux. [20:37] built libcap, libnet, daq, and snort 2.9.3.2, only to find out that I can't get free VRT rules unless I build snort 2.9.2.3 lol [20:41] built ruby to install rails and passenger to run snorby on apache2. [20:45]