[05:46] <magespawn> good morning all
[05:47] <magespawn> good morning all
[05:54] <Kilos> hi magespawn 
[05:54] <Kilos> i got probs
[05:55] <Kilos> adding nm-applet to startup apps has stopped pc from booting to desktop
[05:55] <Kilos> on maverick now
[05:56] <Kilos> can get into ctrl+alt+F2 but dunno command to get rid of startup apps
[05:57] <Kilos> logged in as a guest ok but still cant do anything on miles
[05:58] <Kilos> hi superfly hodgecola 
[05:58] <superfly> morning Kilos, magespawn
[05:58] <Kilos> hehe
[05:58] <magespawn> hey Kilos, superfly
[05:59] <Kilos> how does a guest session do anything on the main users home
[06:01] <magespawn> could you use sudo?
[06:01] <Kilos> yip it says i dont have permissions
[06:02] <magespawn> you would have to add guest to the sudoers file, but how you do that I have no idea
[06:02] <Kilos> but could do sudo aptitude install gdm but never helped
[06:02] <Kilos> it said something about sudoers ya
[06:04] <Kilos> grrr and i got an email from ubuntuone telling me what commands to use to get ubuntuone to wget from my pc the missing upload
[06:04] <Kilos> now if i reinstall i lose all that
[06:06] <Kilos> hi jurgens
[06:10] <Kilos> magespawn, have you got 5 mins to look at this
[06:10] <Kilos> http://superuser.com/questions/221340/set-password-for-root-on-virtualbox-ubuntu
[06:10] <magespawn> sure
[06:10] <Kilos> will that give a guest power to change home settings
[06:11] <Kilos> my home settings that is
[06:12] <Kilos> to be able to see my startup apps
[06:12] <Kilos> and delete nm-applet in there
[06:12] <magespawn> usermod -G admin rob, where rob is account you want to add with admin privilages
[06:13] <magespawn> this is in Recovery Mode
[06:13] <Squirm> dc
[06:13] <Squirm> .:Squirm:. its in /etc/sudoers
[06:13] <Squirm> .:Squirm:. you can specify that the guest can use certain commands without a password
[06:13] <Squirm> .:Squirm:. or you can give guest access to all the commands if they know the root password
[06:14] <Squirm> .:Squirm:. you can give them access to all commands without the root password(I wouldnt suggest this)
[06:14] <Squirm> .:Squirm:. and
[06:14] <Squirm> .:Squirm:. I spy with my little eye, something beginning with 'S'
[06:14] <Kilos> lol
[06:14] <Kilos> hi squirm
[06:15] <magespawn> if you do give guest root access you should also remove it as soon as you sorted your problem
[06:16] <Kilos> so in recovery mode after logging in i run usermod -G admin guestnumber
[06:16] <Squirm> guest	ALL=(ALL) ALL :NOPASSWD
[06:16] <Squirm> I have a feeling that will give guest sudo access
[06:16] <Kilos> whew lemme write this down
[06:17] <Squirm> that line would go in /etc/sudoers
[06:17] <Kilos> ty guys will try get back with 12.04
[06:18] <superfly> Kilos: why do you want to give the guest account sudo access? that's very insecure
[06:18] <Kilos> superfly, i cant get into my desktop
[06:19] <Kilos> nm-applet in startup apps stops gdm loading
[06:19] <Kilos> so i must as a guest delete that nm-applet from startup apps
[06:21] <superfly> Kilos: you don't need to tell nm to start up, it's probably already starting up
[06:22] <superfly> Kilos: also, might I suggest you ask me or someone else knowledgable in here before you ask the list. The list is now full of n00bs who don't understand the question and don't actually understand they answer they are giving
[06:22] <Kilos> it doesnt accept the auto connect ticked block or the enable broadband permanently superfly 
[06:23] <Kilos> i didnt want to worry you superfly i know you are busy, but ty i have learned my lesson
[06:23] <superfly> Kilos: yes, but nm-applet is probably already running anyways... so your problem and the solution you were given are actually completely unrelated.
[06:24] <Kilos> so what do you suggest i do now superfly ?
[06:24] <superfly> Kilos: what you're trying to do at the moment - remove nm-applet from your startup
[06:25] <Kilos> as a guest?
[06:25] <Kilos> with sudo powers
[06:25] <superfly> Kilos: no, that obviously won't work
[06:25] <Kilos> from recovery mode?
[06:25] <superfly> you need to log in in recovery mode and go and figure out where that file actually lives on your hard drive (and I don't know where)
[06:26] <Kilos> ok lemme try
[06:26] <Kilos> luckily i have maverick to come here with
[06:30] <superfly> Kilos: I need to go, briefly, I'll be back in a little while
[06:31] <Kilos> ty superfly go safe
[06:32] <Kilos> Squirm, do i gedit /etc/sudoers  ??
[06:32] <Squirm> least that's where sudo users are kept
[06:33] <Kilos> or cd to it
[06:34] <Kilos> ok here goes. hold thumbs guys
[06:34] <Kilos> bbl
[06:35] <Squirm> you could also boot into the networkless runlevel
[06:36] <Squirm> oh yes
[06:36] <Squirm> I forgot to mention the word I spied with the letter 'S'
[06:36] <Squirm> it's snowing
[06:45] <charlvn_> good morning
[06:46] <charlvn_> Squirm: nice! enjoy
[06:46] <charlvn> magespawn: coffee on
[06:48] <magespawn> err okay
[06:48]  * magespawn flips the salt timer
[06:48] <charlvn> bah
[06:48] <charlvn> sorry man
[06:49] <magespawn> lol np
[06:49] <charlvn> this stupid auto correct :D
[06:49] <Squirm> lol
[06:49] <charlvn> when i type "Ma-tab" i get magespawn instead of maaz
[06:49] <charlvn> Maaz_: coffee on
[06:49]  * Maaz_ starts grinding coffee
[06:49] <magespawn> Maaz_ why do you have a tail?
[06:49] <Maaz_> magespawn: I already know stuff about why
[06:49] <charlvn> it's too early in the morning for this nonsense, i need coffee
[06:49] <magespawn> lol
[06:53] <Maaz_> Coffee's ready for charlvn!
[06:54] <Squirm> I need coffee
[06:54] <Squirm> but then I have to go and buy milk
[06:54] <Squirm> Maaz_: please go and buy milk for me
[06:54] <Maaz_> Squirm: *blink*
[06:55] <charlvn> Maaz_: thanks!
[06:55] <Maaz_> charlvn: Okay :-)
[06:55] <charlvn> Squirm: what is this for laziness :)
[06:56] <Squirm> I have the day off sick ok
[06:56] <Squirm> and it's snowing
[06:56] <Squirm> the first day I've taken sick off work this year
[06:56] <charlvn> ok no that's different then, sorry to hear
[06:56] <charlvn> get better soon!
[06:56]  * Squirm kicks the snow to tomorrow
[06:58] <charlvn> bbl, work
[07:15] <Kilos> hmmm
[07:16] <Kilos> cant get into anywhere there
[07:17] <Kilos> can get into /etc/ but cant edit sudoers even with sudo
[07:17] <Kilos> usermod -G admin rob says no admin found
[07:18] <Kilos> i can see that /etc/sudoers from maverick here but cant change permissions
[07:18] <Kilos> dont wanna start chowning indiscriminately
[07:19] <Kilos> can see 12.04 home miles but cant find the startup apps
[07:49] <inetpro> good morning
[07:49] <inetpro> Sorry — I was up all night trying to download photos taken by a robot lowered onto Mars by a skycrane
[07:50]  * inetpro lol at xkcd humor 
[07:53] <tonberry352_> lol
[07:57] <magespawn> Maaz tell Kilos "usermod -G admin <name of account>"
[07:57] <Maaz_> magespawn: Got it, I'll tell Kilos on freenode
[07:57] <magespawn> morning inetpro
[09:06] <Kilos> goodness gracious bally dammit me
[09:07] <Kilos> first messed up things, then found another way to do it
[09:08] <Kilos> now dunno how to get my nm applet goodie back in top panel again
[09:08] <psydroid> morning Kilos
[09:09] <psydroid> oh, I never know how to get all of those applets back
[09:09] <Kilos> hi psydroid 
[09:09] <Kilos> lol
[09:09] <psydroid> so I just back up all settings and have them recreated
[09:11] <Kilos> you have missed all the fun here this morning. i added nm-applet to startup apps then pc could boot to gui because it couldnt open that nm applet without a gui
[09:12] <Kilos> tried lotsa things but couldnt get anywhere so used ctrl+alt+F2 and purged network-manager
[09:12] <Kilos> that didnt solve the booting to gui
[09:13] <Kilos> logged in as other user with same name and password and hey presto could go remove the nm-applet from startup applications
[09:13] <Kilos> but the nm in top panel is gooooone
[09:13]  * Kilos cries
[09:14] <psydroid> I'm sure you had lots of fun pioneering troubleshooting this part of the operating system
[09:14] <Kilos> lol
[09:15] <Kilos> in maverick you could right click on a panel and go add to panel
[09:15] <Kilos> that doesnt work on 12.04
[09:15] <psydroid> yeah
[09:16] <psydroid> I have similar problems with the KDE desktop, so I usually keep a backup of the home directory with all settings, which can be easily restored in such cases
[09:17] <psydroid> at least at my friend's office, I haven't had such problems myself
[09:17] <Kilos> lol i only been on here a week and havent made one backup yet
[09:19] <Kilos> but i did rsync archives to my external so i could get network-manager installed with gdebi
[09:19] <Kilos> yay
[09:19] <psydroid> yeah
[09:20] <Kilos> magespawn, 
[09:20] <psydroid> here I've got too lazy to do anything like that
[09:21] <Kilos> if you dont have bandwidth cost probs then you can just update download again
[09:21] <Kilos> i rsync archives everytime i install something new
[09:22] <psydroid> imagine having to download everything all over
[09:22] <Kilos> if i was on uncapped i would most likely have done a clean install again
[09:22] <Kilos> lol
[09:23] <Kilos> i was frantic this morning
[09:23] <Kilos> been trying for about 5 hours
[09:24] <Kilos> Maaz_, coffee on
[09:24]  * Maaz_ flips the salt-timer
[09:24] <Kilos> Maaz_, hurry
[09:24] <Maaz_> Making decent coffee is an art Kilos and should never be rushed
[09:24] <Kilos> Maaz_, move it
[09:24] <Maaz_> If I get anymore cheek Kilos you can do it yourself next time
[09:24] <Kilos> Maaz_, rusks please
[09:24] <Maaz_> behind the calender on top of the fridge, but dont tell everyone Kilos
[09:25] <Kilos> hiya maiatoday1 you grew some
[09:25] <Kilos> phase 1 already
[09:26] <psydroid> you must have woken up very early, I just got up at 10
[09:27] <maiatoday1> hmm, dunno why I have an extra ear now
[09:27] <Kilos> hehe
[09:28] <Kilos> the bot also. its the net thats sick
[09:28] <Maaz_> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[09:28] <Kilos> and Symmetria doesnt fix it
[09:28] <Kilos> Maaz_, ty
[09:28] <Maaz_> You are welcome Kilos
[09:37] <Kilos> what is the super key on a keyboard??
[09:37] <Kilos> hi smile
[09:41] <superfly> Kilos: the super key is the Windows key
[09:42] <Kilos> oh my shoulda been called the poofie instead
[09:42] <Kilos> ty superfly 
[09:47] <smile> hi Kilos :p
[09:50] <zeref> heeeehhhheehhhh, snow is falling
[09:51] <Kilos> eina
[09:52] <Kilos> its freezing here
[09:52] <Kilos> zeref, where are you?
[09:52] <zeref> joburg
[09:52] <Kilos> oh my
[09:52] <Kilos> and wind straight over you to us
[09:56] <Kilos> superfly, i recieved a mail from ubuntuone. he says i must do this
[09:56] <Kilos> 1. Run the following in the terminal - in Dash (Super/Windows key or
[09:56] <Kilos> click Ubuntu icon in Launcher) type Terminal (all one line):
[09:57] <superfly> right, so open the terminal
[09:57] <Kilos> what parts of that must i actually use
[10:01] <Kilos> superfly, I dunno what to use of all that
[10:01] <superfly> Kilos: open your terminal and type out the command he gave you (which you didn't type out here)
[10:01] <Kilos> oh
[10:01] <Kilos> oops
[10:02] <Kilos> i thought it was in that first bit
[10:03] <Kilos> wget
[10:03] <Kilos> http://people.canonical.com/~roman.yepishev/us/ubuntuone-ubuntu-syncdaemon-diag.sh
[10:03] <Kilos> && bash ubuntuone-ubuntu-syncdaemon-diag.sh
[10:03] <Kilos> that looks better hey
[10:03]  * Kilos such a twit
[10:13] <Kilos> did that and it wgot 1.2m and said saved but i dunno where
[10:14] <Kilos> in home methinks
[10:37] <magespawn> Hey Kilos been busy sorry.
[10:37] <Kilos> np magespawn 
[10:37] <Kilos> snowing here
[10:37] <magespawn> cool very!
[10:37] <Kilos> eish
[10:38] <Kilos> that white stuff sucks
[10:38] <Kilos> magespawn, wanna try something
[10:38] <magespawn> okay
[10:38] <Kilos> only way i got back here
[10:39] <Kilos> logged in as another user but used same name and password and could get to delete that nm-applet in startup apps
[10:39] <Kilos> all those other ways didnt work
[10:40] <Kilos> so even as another user if you use same name and password you have full control
[10:41] <Kilos> is that right?
[10:41] <magespawn> it should not be another user at all if the name and password are identical
[10:41] <Kilos> hehe
[10:42] <Kilos> then what happened
[10:42] <Kilos> it let me login properly
[10:42] <magespawn> unless I miss how this works 
[10:42] <Kilos> i will try it on maverick sometime
[10:43] <magespawn> I think uppper case and such could make a difference
[10:43] <magespawn> but if it identical then you are that user
[10:43] <Kilos> nope i did everything same
[10:43] <magespawn> well then you are that user, problem solved, lol
[10:43] <Kilos> how come it didnt get stuck at the nm-applet thing
[10:44] <Kilos> im so happy but while trying to get in i purged network-manager and had to install from ext archives but the icon in top panel is gone
[10:45] <magespawn> to get the icon back you have to right click i think.
[10:45] <magespawn> use the add to panel command
[10:45] <Kilos> doesnt work with unity
[10:46] <magespawn> will have a look when I get back, I have a game drive to go on.
[10:46] <Kilos> nplad you have a good day
[10:46] <Kilos> enjoy
[10:46] <Kilos> ty for being there for company
[10:47] <magespawn> np
[11:01] <inetpro> Kilos: is ook so koud daar by jou?
[11:01] <Kilos> dit het bietjie kapok gegooi nou nou
[11:01] <inetpro> my vrou het nou gebel, was so bietjie kapok daar
[11:01] <Kilos> vrek koue wind
[11:01] <inetpro> wow
[11:02] <inetpro> kapok = sleet ?
[11:02] <Kilos> min dat jy dit sien in pretoria
[11:02] <inetpro> beslis
[11:02] <Kilos> ya like fine snow that falls straight down not zigziag like flakes
[11:07] <zeref_work> whoah
[11:07] <zeref_work> http://i.imgur.com/ds6K5.jpg
[12:10] <Squirm> hi
[13:54] <zeref> sudo start heater 
[13:55] <superfly> Hahaha I wanna do that too.
[14:00] <zeref> :)
[14:00] <zeref> i've not seem so many people taking pictures of them in snow
[14:01] <zeref> *themselves
[14:45] <Symmetria> heh
[14:45] <Symmetria> I want to meet whoever supplies the drugs to cisco
[14:53] <smile> bye
[14:53] <Trixar_za> You know, I have a weird idea
[14:54] <Trixar_za> What if you created a distro with sudo preinstalled, but with a NOPASS group that the user gets added to on install
[14:55] <Trixar_za> Then you make up the application launchers/shortcuts that need root access just call sudo before running the application
[14:55] <Trixar_za> This is probably insecure if some genius works out he can abuse this to get the person to install a virus
[14:55] <Trixar_za> But probably more secure than how Puppy is doing it...
[14:57] <Trixar_za> Yep, this is the stuff I think about while lying awake at 5am
[15:42] <smile> :p
[15:59] <nuvolari> .
[15:59] <nuvolari> helo
[16:03] <nuvolari> maaz: seen kilos
[16:03] <Maaz_> nuvolari: kilos was last seen 5 hours and 49 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2012-08-07 13:02:44 SAST], and has been offline on freenode since 2012-08-07 13:20:32 SAST
[16:27] <nuvolari> ha
[16:27] <nuvolari> hier is oom Kilos 
[16:28] <nuvolari> brb
[16:28] <nuvolari> ack :-/
[16:29] <Kilos> yo nuvolari 
[16:29] <Kilos> and others
[16:29] <nuvolari> hi oom :>
[16:29] <Trixar_za> Hey nuvolari and Kilos
[16:29] <nuvolari> ek't nou nou gou vir 8ta gebel
[16:29] <Kilos> just finished a clean install
[16:29] <nuvolari> en die data ding gedoen
[16:29] <nuvolari> hi Trixar_za 
[16:29] <Kilos> mooi man
[16:30] <Kilos> sien jy nou daai 2+1 bundle op die foon?
[16:30] <Trixar_za> Is jy ook op 8ta?
[16:30] <Kilos> hi Trixar_za 
[16:30] <Kilos> ja
[16:30] <nuvolari> nog nie gekyk nie oom Kilos 
[16:30] <nuvolari> Trixar_za: jip
[16:30] <nuvolari> weet nie hoekom ek dit nie vroër gedoen het nie
[16:31] <Kilos> ek kon nie die 2+1 sien nie tot hulle my sim geaktiveer het nie
[16:31] <Kilos> jou kop is te besig met ander goed man
[16:32] <Kilos> jy mis dit wat eintlik belangrik is
[16:32] <Kilos> hehe
[16:32] <nuvolari> hoe nou oom?
[16:32]  * nuvolari mis daai punt ook lyk dit my
[16:32] <Kilos> jy weet al maande dat jy 8ta moet probeer
[16:33] <nuvolari> oh... dit ja...
[16:33]  * nuvolari sê niks
[16:33]  * nuvolari tel die pennies wat hy in die water gegooi het
[16:33] <nuvolari> sjoe, ek kon 'n plaas koop
[16:33] <smile> bye :)
[16:33] <Kilos> lmga ja amper ne
[16:34] <Kilos> hulle het ook daai groot bondle
[16:34] <nuvolari> maar dis op kontrak, dan nie?
[16:34] <nuvolari> byebye smile 
[16:34] <Kilos> 60m + 60m na 11nm vir R1600 n jaar ek dink
[16:34] <Kilos> 60g +60g
[16:34] <Kilos> skuus
[16:35] <Kilos> ek dink banlam het dit
[16:36] <nuvolari> dis soos 5Gb 'n maand
[16:36] <Kilos> en 5g na 11
[16:36]  * nuvolari pik 'n traan
[16:36] <nuvolari> dit klink so mooi
[16:36] <Kilos> maar mens moet slaap ook
[16:37] <Kilos> die na ure een kan jy vreet naweke en innie dag slaap
[16:39] <Kilos> nou moet ek van voor af begin daai klank kaart aan die gang kry
[16:40] <nuvolari> :-/
[16:40] <Kilos> lol
[16:40] <nuvolari> maar oom het seker dit neergeskryf?
[16:40] <Kilos> as mens dom is moet jy sukkel
[16:40] <Kilos> nee ek het so baie goed probeer
[16:40] <Kilos> weet nie watter een dit gedoen het nie
[16:42] <Kilos> hierdie keer sal ek n ander stel speakers in daai gat inplug en dan dinge een vir een toets terwyl musiek speel
[16:42] <Kilos> en n backup doen sodra dit werk
[16:42] <Kilos> hehe
[16:42] <Kilos> dom donner
[16:44] <Kilos> dit het kapok hier vandag nuvolari 
[16:44] <Kilos> vrek koud
[16:45] <nuvolari> joh
[16:45] <nuvolari> dis oom wat die yskas oop vergeet het!
[16:45] <Kilos> lol
[16:45] <nuvolari> ek sit en vries my tone af
[16:45] <Kilos> en in jhb en rustenburg
[16:45] <Kilos> dink vandag was max 10
[16:46] <Kilos> en -2 innie oggend
[16:46] <nuvolari> mensig!
[16:46] <nuvolari> oom het seker vloreer op koffie?
[16:46] <Kilos> baie tee en koppie sop of drie
[16:48] <nuvolari> hmm, nou is ek ewe skielik lus vir sop
[16:48] <Kilos> lol
[16:49] <Kilos> hey superfly all good there?
[16:49] <Kilos> missed you guys today
[16:50] <superfly> Kilos: ya, just got back from another trip to the doctor
[16:50] <Kilos> good news i hope superfly 
[16:51] <Kilos> give my best to mrs_fly  too
[16:51] <Kilos> seems like sflr is sick again too
[16:54] <magespawn> evening all
[16:55] <nuvi2> heh, hulle lieg
[16:55] <nuvi2> g'n adsl nie
[16:56] <Kilos> hi magespawn 
[16:56] <Kilos> clean install twice
[16:57] <magespawn> you?
[16:57] <Kilos> mobile broadband disappeared completely when i went off this morning
[16:58] <magespawn> hectic
[16:58] <Kilos> so did a clean install but didnt format /home and same prob so clean install again
[16:58] <magespawn> but you are up and running again now?
[16:59] <Kilos> yeah just need to get everything going again
[16:59] <Kilos> rsync of archives is such a blessing
[16:59] <magespawn> indeed
[17:00] <Kilos> can clean install and update for like 15m and upgrade for 5m
[17:00] <Kilos> i go eat
[17:00] <magespawn> later
[17:01] <nuvolari> ooh! seems we did well in the javelin throw
[17:01] <nuvolari> *women's javelin
[17:01] <magespawn> gold?
[17:02] <nuvolari> dunno, waiting for the news to get to the sport section
[17:03] <magespawn> looks like sa is doing quite well all round
[17:03] <nuvolari> yeah
[17:03] <nuvolari> I googled, it seems like after 2 heats we're 3rd
[17:03] <nuvolari> *Sunette Viljoen is 3rd
[17:04] <nuvolari> came 1st in her heat
[17:04] <magespawn> i was quite disappointed that they do not put more video online.
[17:05] <magespawn> good for her
[17:05] <Kerbero> supersport is useless
[17:05] <Kerbero> stole youtube's contract for SA
[17:05] <Trixar_za> Kilos: When in doubt, use sakis3g
[17:05] <Trixar_za> Mind you, it didn't work for 8ta
[17:06] <Trixar_za> But I made my own version and compiled in some more devices
[17:06] <Trixar_za> :p
[17:07] <Trixar_za> http://www.draisberghof.de/usb_modeswitch/bb/viewtopic.php?p=5947
[17:07] <Trixar_za> Yes, I was bored one day :/
[17:19] <zeref> sigh, res electricity keeps cutting
[17:22] <Kilos> Trixar_za, my prob is the auto connect block doesnt remember to auto connect so if you can hack 12.04's nm to remember that and once you enable broadband to remember that then you done good
[17:23] <Kilos> at least launchpad is mailing me for more info but bug is still not a priority bug
[17:27] <magespawn> does any one know if need a special editor to edit /etc/sudoers?
[17:28] <nuvolari> magespawn: visudo
[17:29] <magespawn> I am reading Fedora Unleashed and that is what it says, just wanted to check as this one is a bit old.
[17:30] <nuvolari> magespawn: I'm not aware of a different app to use
[17:32] <magespawn> ty nuvolari 
[17:37] <magespawn> Kerbero: have these people not worked out that ppl can get past area restrictions through the net and if you want people to see something the net is the best way to do it?
[18:22] <Kilos> eish now to install and setup ibid again
[18:31] <nuvolari> brr
[18:31] <nuvolari> it's freezing
[18:31] <Kilos> hehe
[18:31] <theblaze> Hey guys what happened to smile?
[18:31] <Kilos> he gone to bed
[18:31] <theblaze> Ah OK
[18:31] <Kilos> he goes off early
[18:32] <Kilos> he is in the netherlands
[18:32] <theblaze> I see
[18:32] <theblaze> I know
[18:32] <nuvolari> what what? I also wanna see
[18:32] <Cantide> I'm considering sleeping simply because my bed is warm :)
[18:32] <nuvolari> Cantide: a very good idea
[18:32] <theblaze> Btw on going to try Ann go on more often.  My marshal has been baconed
[18:33] <Kilos> yeah good idea hey Cantide 
[18:33] <theblaze> And*
[18:33] <theblaze> Marshal*
[18:33] <Kilos> huh?
[18:33] <theblaze> Nvm u don't Reddit
[18:33] <Kilos> no
[18:34] <Cantide> "huh" is also my response :p
[18:34] <Kilos> hehe
[18:34] <Kilos> howzit theblaze 
[18:35] <theblaze> I'm good and use
[18:35] <theblaze> U*
[18:35] <Kilos> we cold but good ty
[18:35] <theblaze> Damn autocorrect
[18:35] <theblaze> Yeah me
[18:35] <theblaze> 2
[18:35] <charlvn> Kilos: actually smile is flemish, he lives in belgium
[18:36] <charlvn> besides, we are on the same time zone as you in the summer :)
[18:36] <charlvn> and it's summer and the sun hasn't even gone down yet
[18:36] <Kilos> lol same thing charlvn 
[18:36] <Kilos> hehe
[18:36] <Kilos> foreign
[18:36] <Kilos> european
[18:36] <charlvn> ehm, no :P
[18:36] <Kilos> why are you so quiet?
[18:36] <charlvn> sorry i've just been busy
[18:36] <Kilos> np
[18:37] <Kilos> just dont forget us
[18:37] <charlvn> have been crazy busy at work the past while
[18:37] <Kilos> we will hunt you down
[18:37] <charlvn> lol no i promise i won't :P
[18:37] <charlvn> :D
[18:37] <Kilos> busy is good,time flies
[18:37] <charlvn> i hear you people are having quite a bit of snow down there
[18:37] <charlvn> usually it is us with the snow
[18:38] <Kilos> whew not good
[18:38] <charlvn> for us it has actually been quite a hot summer
[18:38] <Kilos> cold wet messy stuff
[18:38] <charlvn> yuck!
[18:38] <charlvn> no i hate that type of snow
[18:38] <charlvn> that's not good
[18:38] <charlvn> it's called sleet or something i think in english
[18:38] <charlvn> the english apparently have a lot of that weather but i don't know, i have only been to england once
[18:38] <Kilos> yeah here in pta but lotsa places have deep snow
[18:38] <charlvn> yeah that's what i hear
[18:39] <Kilos> peeps are skiing in lesotho
[18:39] <charlvn> that's quite unusual though right?
[18:39]  * nuvolari likes the warmer weather of durbs
[18:39] <Kilos> no we just past midwinter
[18:39] <Kilos> june 21 is midwinter
[18:39] <charlvn> ah
[18:39] <charlvn> yeah makes sense
[18:39] <nuvolari> the only time I am healthy enough to go out into the snow back home, and I sit here :( 
[18:40] <Kilos> lol
[18:40] <nuvolari> every single time back home when it was snowing, I had flu so I couldn't go out
[18:40] <charlvn> i hate it though when the ground freezes and you start slipping
[18:40] <Kilos> best place to see snow is on the idiot box
[18:41] <charlvn> i don't mind the snow so much but the ice on the ground i don't like at all :(
[18:41] <charlvn> Kilos: ah, you mean the TV? :)
[18:41] <charlvn> i like that, idiot box
[18:41] <Kilos> yeah charlvn 
[18:41] <charlvn> it feels like it, most of the programming seems to be for dumb people
[18:41] <Kilos> yip
[18:41] <Kilos> brain washing tool
[18:42] <charlvn> brainwashing... it's what they call "mass intertainment" Kilos :)
[18:42] <charlvn> *entertainment
[18:42] <Kilos> peeps get so into tv they talk as if they were there when things happened
[18:42] <charlvn> keeping the masses dumb and the politicians rich
[18:42] <Kilos> lol
[18:46] <charlvn> by the way, today i used expect for the first time
[18:46] <Kilos> expect?
[18:46] <charlvn> to do a test to interactively upload a file via sftp with a hard-coded password (very wrong btw)
[18:47] <charlvn> we tried to do it the right way (tm) by doing it with ppk authentication
[18:47] <charlvn> but we couldn't even open a remote shell and scp didn't want to work either
[18:47] <charlvn> all that works is sftp with a password
[18:48] <Kilos> is all of that good or bad?
[18:48] <charlvn> expect is basically is an interactive scripting language
[18:48] <Kilos> ah
[18:48] <Kilos> hey you clever guys
[18:48] <charlvn> a bit like bash scripting but you can invoke commands and then talk to them in interactive mode
[18:48] <charlvn> a bit like what a user would do but then using scripting
[18:48] <charlvn> so you invoke sftp with some parameters
[18:49] <charlvn> then "expect" it to prompt you for a password, and when it does, you feed it the password
[18:49] <charlvn> then you "expect" a prompt like "sftp>" and when you get it, you feed the sftp commands like mput etc you want
[18:49] <charlvn> when that's done, you "expect" another "sftp>" prompt and you exit
[18:49] <Kilos> if i rsync /home/from my maverick to /home/ 12.04 what about all the stuff thats irrelivant
[18:50] <charlvn> hmmm, what exactly do you want to take over
[18:50] <charlvn> if you include all the hidden directories in your home directory you will take all your configuration with you
[18:50] <charlvn> most of it will probably work fine but there could be some hickups, perhaps
[18:50] <charlvn> i would just take all my actual documents like my ~/Documents directory etc across
[18:50] <Kilos> lotsa settings as in email ibid sound etc etc
[18:50] <charlvn> ah yeah
[18:51] <charlvn> well it is a bit of a gamble but it depends on the application
[18:51] <charlvn> most applications try to strive for backwards compatibility with older config files
[18:51] <charlvn> sometimes it goes wrong though, or an application decides to adopt a whole different configuration format
[18:51] <charlvn> i had a few cases where applications decided to convert their config format from yaml to xml for example
[18:51] <charlvn> but that isn't typically the case
[18:52] <Kilos> because for starters it was the only way i could get 9 workspaces on 12.04
[18:52] <charlvn> ah
[18:52] <Kilos> i battle with only 4
[18:52] <charlvn> you could always trim out those config files or do something manually if you need to
[18:52] <charlvn> it usually isn't a bad thing to bring everything across, i just tend not to do it for some reason
[18:52] <Kilos> like to have things on their own space with a terminal as well
[18:53] <charlvn> i guess i like starting fresh every so often
[18:53] <Kilos> ok now is there a way to clean out the unused stuff in home automatically
[18:53] <nuvolari> Bwahahahah! "Keyboard not found! Press ENTER to continue."
[18:54] <charlvn> not that i'm aware of no
[18:54] <Kilos> hehe
[18:54] <charlvn> maybe there are some cool tools out there but not that i've seen
[18:54] <charlvn> nuvolari: nice one :)
[18:54] <Kilos> because if you show hidden files there are stacks
[18:54] <charlvn> probably that happens because the error handling is generic in the programming code
[18:54] <charlvn> and it always appends "press enter to continue" to any error
[18:55] <Kilos> what does this generic mean
[18:55] <charlvn> reusable, a standard way of doing something
[18:55] <Kilos> oh ty
[18:55] <charlvn> so you can re-use the same bit of code to handle any error for example
[18:55] <charlvn> typical programming term
[18:55] <charlvn> np
[18:56] <charlvn> ok i'm off, have a good evening all!
[18:56] <Kilos> i think i gonna do it and if im missing tomorrow then it didnt work well and im clean installing again
[18:56] <Kilos> night charlvn 
[18:57] <Kilos> i go crash as well
[18:57] <Kilos> night nuvolari and all others
[18:57] <Kilos> sleep tight and warm
[18:57] <nuvolari> night oom Kilos 
[18:57] <nuvolari> lekker slaap
[18:57]  * nuvolari is not far behind
[18:57] <Kilos> jy ook dankie seun
[19:36] <Squirm> its snowing again
[19:36] <Squirm> tomorrow will be white