[02:05] <aicasn> sure is quiet...
[03:23] <GreatDanton> anybody knows when will be xubuntu 12.04.1 released?
[03:25] <Unit193> Well, if things go according to plan, exact same time as Ubuntu does.
[03:25] <GreatDanton> Unit193, when?
[03:26] <GreatDanton> 23 august?
[03:28] <Unit193> August 23rd
[03:28] <GreatDanton> thanks
[03:28] <Unit193> Sure.
[03:29] <GreatDanton> did you try nomodeset?
[03:29] <GreatDanton> :D
[03:30] <Unit193> Set it in grub, but haven't rebooted yet.  May set up the computer that's the exact same and try it there.
[06:34] <tnorris> I installed 12.04 using full disk encryption. Problem is the nvidia card causes the screen to scramble on startup and I can't see the password input.
[06:35] <tnorris> is there anyway to switch to a non-gui password input?
[06:43] <foobArrr> tnorris: you can switch to a terminal, ctrl + alt + f1
[06:44] <tnorris> foobArrr: can I switch to the terminal when it prompts for the password for full disk encryption?
[06:44] <foobArrr> oh, that password input
[06:44] <foobArrr> don't think so
[06:45] <foobArrr> isn't there a kernel parameter to get text mode during boot? nosplash? would that give non-gui password input?
[06:48] <tnorris> ah, that's a good idea. I'll try that out.
[07:01] <livingdaylight> hi
[07:01] <livingdaylight> wondering whether to use 32 or 64 bit xubuntu
[07:01] <livingdaylight> I have i3 processor with 8gb of ram
[07:07] <foobArrr> you have a 64 bit cpu, you have more than 4GB ram -> 64 bit
[07:08] <foobArrr> does 32 bit have any advantages nowadays?
[07:21] <livingdaylight> foobArrr, thank you
[07:44] <xubuntu169> does xubuntu 12 use gdm ? i am trying to create a xorg conf file but i cant stop x
[07:44] <knome> 12.04 uses lightdm
[07:46] <xubuntu169> thank you ! x is now stopped but now it tells me it cannot move xorg.0.log to xorg.0.log.old when i type Xorg -configure
[07:47] <knome> i don't think that's the worst error :)
[07:47] <TheSheep> maybe you forgot sudo?
[07:48] <knome> yeahm thinking about that too, but it's just the log anyway
[07:49] <xubuntu169> now with sudo it gives me a new error; number of created screens does not match number of detected devices
[07:58] <xubuntu169> when i try to sudo Xorg -configure i get this error ;number of created screens does not match number of detected devices. Any idea how i could make it work ?
[08:08] <baizon> xubuntu169: check with xrandr your detected displays
[08:08] <baizon> then compare them to your x.org conf
[08:16] <livingdaylight> testing xubuntu-64 bit but already I notice that it seems to be using 688 MiB RAM when the 32 bit was using roughly half.
[08:18] <TheSheep> livingdaylight: it always uses all the ram
[08:18] <TheSheep> livingdaylight: when it's not used by applications it is used for caches and buffers
[08:18] <livingdaylight> TheSheep, so, that's normal?
[08:19] <TheSheep> livingdaylight: also, a lot of ram is shared between applications (for shared libraries, for example), so it's hard to tell how much is really "taken"
[08:19] <livingdaylight> was told that on a 64bit optimized system with 8gb of ram I should go with the 64-bit OS
[08:20] <TheSheep> livingdaylight: yes, that's because 32 bit can only address 4GB of ram
[08:20] <baizon> livingdaylight: what version of xubuntu? 12.10?
[08:20] <livingdaylight> by 64bit optimized I mean the CPU
[08:20] <livingdaylight> baizon, 12.04
[08:20] <baizon> hmm
[08:20] <baizon> mine was using ~500MB
[08:20] <baizon> so i think its ok :)
[08:20] <baizon> my ubuntu 12.04 uses ~700MB
[08:21] <livingdaylight> to be fair I'm running the Voyager iso which is basically, xubuntu + Compiz /AWN - maybe that accounts for the extra 200
[08:22] <baizon> yeah so its ok
[08:22] <livingdaylight> ok, thanks for confirming (and reassuring) guys
[08:22] <TheSheep> compiz can take a lot of ram
[08:22] <baizon> i mean i got 500MB but im using zeitgeist so you can have less :)
[08:22] <TheSheep> livingdaylight: try running xrestop from terminal and see how much ram just the graphics takes
[08:25] <livingdaylight> asked to apt-get install xrestop first but got this when I did: E: Unable to locate package xrestop
[08:25] <livingdaylight> remember I'm runnin the live-cd; whether that makes a difference?
[08:26] <TheSheep> livingdaylight: it surely does
[08:26] <livingdaylight> i see. Can one not apt-get install programs?
[08:26] <TheSheep> livingdaylight: livecd uses some of the ram for the filesystem
[08:27] <TheSheep> livingdaylight: you can, they will be installed in the ramdsik
[08:27] <TheSheep> ramdisk
[08:27] <livingdaylight> oh, in terms of RAM, yes, ok.
[08:27] <livingdaylight> where did you get xrestop from?
[08:28] <TheSheep> apt-get install xrestop
[08:29] <TheSheep> it lists the x resource use
[08:29] <livingdaylight> yes, I got Unable to locate package xrestop when I tried
[08:34] <livingdaylight> At first I thought it kind of defeats the purpose of running xubuntu i.e. xfce with compiz and awn, if one has the resources might aswell run Ubuntu? or is there still some savings on resources? It's just default does look a bit bland
[08:38] <TheSheep> I use xfce because I prefer the ui, not because I want to save resources
[08:38] <TheSheep> but that a question of what you are used to
[08:39] <livingdaylight> I'm used to Ubuntu i.e. gnome
[08:39] <TheSheep> ubuntu is very different from original gnome 2 by now
[08:39] <baizon> i was using gnom2 then xfce and with 12.04 im back with ubuntu :)
[08:39] <livingdaylight> but unity is still a bit unstable for me and quirky
[08:39] <baizon> for me unity is just perfect ;D
[08:40] <livingdaylight> Also, I prefer to dedicate my resources to running apps than making it look nice. However, now I realize I like it looking beautiful too, lol
[08:41] <baizon> well i've disabled all effects :)
[08:41] <baizon> i like the usability
[08:42] <baizon> well buts offtopic, so if you like to talk youre welcome to join #xubuntu-offtopic
[08:42] <livingdaylight> I found Unity had improved vastly since its first inception, and was beginning ot enjoy it, but managing workspaces wasn't great. I like adding as many workspaces as I like, and having them in one line, not a quadrant. More importantly, switchng between many apps seemed to make the window borders increasingly unstable
[08:48] <livingdaylight> Had a question on partitioning also. I understood that by dedicating a /home partition I would be able to preserve it and all contents on future installations of whatever distro.
[08:49] <baizon> yes, im doing it the same
[08:49] <livingdaylight> However, I was told that was not necessarily so, and that it would be better (cleaner) to keep everything on a separate partition call it /Data and also reinstall /home
[08:49] <baizon> if you have /home on a seperate partition, after a fresh install all settings will stay
[08:49] <baizon> cant agree with that
[08:50] <TheSheep> livingdaylight: the thing is, if the other distro uses different versions of applications, then the config files saved in your home might be incompatible with those versions
[08:50] <baizon> yes thats true, i was only switching between the ubuntu derivates
[08:51] <TheSheep> this is usually only problematic when you switch to a distro with older versions, though
[08:51] <livingdaylight> TheSheep, right! that makes sense. So, why is it generally advocated and said that one can keep one's /home and never have to format it when installing different os's. Seems its true only if one is re-installing the same distro
[08:51] <TheSheep> livingdaylight: usually applications can understand config files from their older versions
[08:52] <TheSheep> livingdaylight: or can migrate them
[08:53] <TheSheep> livingdaylight: also, I think that the distro makers want you to use the default settings that they provide, because then it's easier to help you
[08:54] <TheSheep> livingdaylight: so they consider it "cleaner" if you don't use your old settings from a different distro
[08:54] <TheSheep> personally I always customize heavily, so it doesn't matter for me
[08:56] <CellTech> When I visit the software center to install LMMS. It installs wine instead. Why?
[08:57] <TheSheep> CellTech: *instead*, or in addition?
[08:58] <TheSheep> CellTech: looks like lmms requires wine
[08:58] <TheSheep> CellTech: http://packages.ubuntu.com/precise/lmms
[08:59] <CellTech> Well when I install it. All that shows up is Wine. No lmms..
[08:59] <baizon> have you tried it using the terminal?
[08:59] <TheSheep> CellTech: it has to install wine first, since it's a dependency
[08:59] <CellTech> Can I install the thing through terminal? I don't know how to
[09:00] <aquix> think lmms need wine for the vst plugins, If I remember correctly
[09:00] <TheSheep> it's probably installed, just not where you expect it in the menu
[09:00] <TheSheep> just type 'lmms' in the terminal
[09:01] <TheSheep> looking at the file listing, it doesn't have a menu entry at all
[09:01] <CellTech> I keep forgetting the sudo apt-get install "package name"
[09:01] <CellTech> software center makes it to where sudo's just aren't needed for lazy people like me
[09:07] <baizon> :)
[10:09] <livingdaylight> With 8gb RAM is swap required?
[10:11] <TheSheep> livingdaylight: swap always comes in handy, just in case
[10:12] <livingdaylight> on a 500gb hd with 8gb RAM how much swap would you recommend?
[10:12] <livingdaylight> not the usual formula of 2xRAM ?
[10:14] <TheSheep> half maybe?
[10:16] <livingdaylight> for hibernation seems i need ram+ some more
[10:16] <livingdaylight> hibernation is a good thing, right?
[10:17] <aquix> don't need swap over 2 gb, it at all.
[10:17] <aquix> *if at all
[10:17] <Sysi> if suspend works, you probably don't want hibernation
[10:18] <qwertz_> livingdaylight, i'd personally go for ram + a bit
[10:19] <qwertz_> say 9 GB
[10:19] <qwertz_> however, i typically do not care too much about disk space
[10:19] <aquix> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SwapFaq/
[10:20] <aquix> 9 gb is way too much
[10:20] <livingdaylight> aquix, it does sound a lot. but for hiberation seems it requires the amount of ram + some
[10:21] <livingdaylight> let me check that link
[10:21] <livingdaylight> Hibernation (suspend-to-disk) The hibernation feature (suspend-to-disk) writes out the contents of RAM to the swap partition before turning off the machine. Therefore, your swap partition should be at least as big as your RAM size. The hibernation implementation currently used in Ubuntu, swsusp, needs a swap or suspend partition. It cannot use a swap file on an active file system.
[10:38] <xubuntu808> salve qualcuno mi può dare una informazione
[10:39] <xubuntu808> what are minimal system requirements for xubuntu 11.10?
[11:44] <en1gma> with the xubuntu live cd is there a "load to ram" command option
[11:49] <aquix> a live cd only loads to ram ?
[11:50] <en1gma> a live cd still has to access the cd all the time (everytime you type a command)
[11:51] <en1gma> if you load the WHOLE cd to ram then it dont access the cd rom for nothing anymore
[11:52] <aquix> ah, wouldn't know.
[11:55] <aquix> en1gma  yeah, there is a parameter called toram   http://askubuntu.com/questions/28671/distro-that-i-can-load-into-ram
[11:55] <en1gma> awesome
[11:56] <aquix> en1gma  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1583206
[11:57] <en1gma> brb gonna try it
[11:57] <en1gma> thanks
[12:24] <gry> Someone with Xubuntu 12.04 pastebin your /etc/profile please?
[12:38] <aquix> what did you do?   http://pastebin.com/JhAhvTkS
[12:47] <gry> aquix: thanks.. can you paste your output of "echo $PATH" please?
[12:48] <gry> aquix: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1741470 lines 230 - 242 are the 'problem' I'm seeing
[12:52] <aquix> no idea what your up to :)
[12:52] <aquix> but here you go   http://pastebin.com/CLxCnEsL
[12:59] <gry> i'm not up to anything other than reading lines 230-242 and seeing that they're not normal
[13:00] <gry> been trying to shoot the trouble and still have no idea how to resolve it properly yet; thanks for the paste
[13:01] <aquix> no worries :)
[13:01] <gry> you appear to have /usr/local/bin in your path; would you happen to know what file is it set in?
[13:03] <aquix> no idea
[13:04] <buddylinux> is there a quick way to launch apps in xubuntu? Our version of Unity's dash
[13:04] <buddylinux> alt+F2 ?
[13:04] <buddylinux> gnome-do?
[13:04] <foobArrr> gnome-do. or kupfer. or synapse.
[13:05] <buddylinux> I dont find the right-click a quick way for accessing applications because apps is right at the bottom of the menu and then there are many more submenus
[13:05] <buddylinux> foobArrr, kupfer sounds kde app?
[13:05] <buddylinux> how does synapse work?
[13:06] <buddylinux> is there a key-shortcut for it?
[13:08] <aquix> I have all sorts of apps and files set as keyboard shortcuts using   windows key  + F1, F2 ...
[13:08] <gry> hm
[13:08] <buddylinux> aquix, that's another way for launching favourite apps
[13:09] <gry> aquix: cat /etc/profile.d/*.sh /etc/profile /etc/bash.bashrc ~/.bash_profile ~/.profile ~/.bashrc | grep PATH
[13:09] <gry> aquix: can you pastebin that please ?
[13:09] <buddylinux> actually it would be good to have a 'favourite' entry in the menu for quick launching
[13:09] <foobArrr> I don't think kupfer is a kde program, but I don't know
[13:10] <aquix> gry http://pastebin.com/msCuVRqf
[13:11] <buddylinux> foobArrr, just asking, it sounds it with the 'k'
[13:11] <gry> aquix: i see, can you also pastebin /etc/environment please?
[13:12] <Sysi> buddylinux: gwenview is kde app and it doesn't
[13:12] <buddylinux> Sysi, you got me  ^^
[13:12] <buddylinux> and i see kupfer is a gnome app -
[13:12] <aquix> kdes k policy is long gone
[13:12] <aquix> and I say good for them, got a bit silly
[13:14] <buddylinux> it got ridiculous; even for geeks it got ott.
[13:15] <aquix> gry  /etc/environment    [13:16] <aquix> gry  I'm leaving soon. maybe install 12.04 in virtualbox?
[13:16] <gry> that's ok, i'll look at it, thanks
[13:16] <aquix> your welcome :)
[13:29] <buddylinux> installed openjdk-jre-headless but seems I am missing another component to launching jnlp files. Is it icetea?
[13:29] <buddylinux> need the java webstart
[13:30] <buddylinux> isnt java webstart part of openjdk?
[13:31] <GridCube> !info libnb-java5-java
[13:31] <GridCube> no... thats not it
[13:38] <itai_michaelson> hi, by mistake i deleted the bottom panel/ dock thing in xubuntu, now i want to recreate it , but im not sure how its called or what to google
[13:40] <TheSheep> itai_michaelson: it's called panel, or more precisely xfce4-panel
[13:40] <TheSheep> itai_michaelson: it's the same as the top one
[13:41] <TheSheep> itai_michaelson: just right-click on the top panel, and select 'panel preferences', then you can add new panel and add things to it
[13:41] <itai_michaelson> TheSheep, i see...ok , thanks
[13:41] <TheSheep> itai_michaelson: alternatively, select 'panel preferences' from the settings
[14:36] <buddylinux> wow, java is hating me on 64bit
[15:20] <buddylinux> should java work fine in 64-bit distro?
[15:20] <buddylinux> app is launching but screen freezes and doesn't close when I hit the x button
[15:24] <baizon> buddylinux: what version of java?
[15:26] <buddylinux> baizon, first I tried openjdk7 but wasn't getting any joy so just removed it and installed web8's oracle ppa - that worked except for the problems I'm now getting with one app. Its working in another
[15:26] <baizon> have you made some debugging?
[15:27] <Sysi> is it 32bit app?
[15:27] <buddylinux> dunno
[15:28] <buddylinux> one is kgs cgoban app and it is a .jnlp file and that works. the other is from OANDA and its their desktop tradestation and it is a .sh file
[15:30] <Sysi> .sh is bash script, it is just for launching java app?
[15:30] <buddylinux> yes
[15:31] <buddylinux> I hear with PAE one can make use of up to 64gb of ram on a 32-bit distro?
[15:31] <Sysi> not for a single app
[15:32] <buddylinux> basically, wondering whether installing 64 bit xubuntu was a mistake
[15:33] <Sysi> you can run basically entire 32bit xubuntu inside 64bit one
[15:34] <buddylinux> why the issue with java?
[15:39] <Sysi> because java, the app or both are bad
[15:39] <buddylinux> the app always worked fine up to now
[15:42] <buddylinux> http://fxtrade.oanda.co.uk/trade-forex/fxtrade/desktop
[15:45] <sambagirl> test
[15:47] <Sysi> buddylinux: run that .sh in terminal and then try the java app located in ~/.oanda/jar/
[15:48] <Sysi> thouhg it should create menu entries and such
[15:50] <buddylinux> Sysi, i run ./fxtrader.sh in terminal which creates a launcher (icon) on the Desktop. Normally, when I then launch it it opens the platform, but what's happening now is that not all windows are populating and they're freezing.
[15:51] <buddylinux> OANDA says it could be java cache issue
[17:10] <martinphone> 4000 mp3 files are present in an expunged folder. Every mp3 file includes info about its year, band and album. How do I return them to their original directory? Original directories havent been edited
[17:21] <sambagirl> expunged? what exactly do you profess with the term expunged?
[17:27] <martinphone> sambagirl, I have 4000 files in 1000/files. in 1000/info there are 4000 trashinfo files for each of the 4000 mp3 in 1000/files. I need to restore all those files to their original directories
[17:28] <buddylinux> Clip2net is not running on 64-bit xubuntu http://clip2net.com/en/ Anyone else on 64-bit could perhaps test this? Its a simple bin file. chmod +x followed by ./filename.bin usually starts the installer
[17:28] <martinphone> 1000/expunged is empty
[17:40] <martinphone> about my problem: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2038882
[17:42] <xubuntu940> Hi
[19:14] <kalxas> hi all,  I am trying to customize a xubuntu iso based on this https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomization#Advanced_Customizations
[19:14] <kalxas>  I was able to rebuild the initrd.lz file
[19:14] <kalxas> so that I have username and password set for the live session user
[19:14] <kalxas>  but I am not succeeding in changing the background image
[19:14] <kalxas> on the installer
[19:15] <kalxas>  can please someone give a hint on that?
[19:15] <kalxas>  I have replaced the image in initrd with my own (using the same file name) but still does not work
[19:16] <kalxas> this is my chroot script: https://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/browser/livedvd/gisvm/trunk/bin/build_chroot.sh
[19:16] <kalxas> I have contacted ubuntu, ubuntu-devel and xubuntu-devel channels without success so far
[20:32] <Morgan> Is there a way to upgrade from the 12.04 release to the newer alphas without completely reinstalling?
[20:33] <TheSheep> Morgan: you can change the repository addresses and do dist-upgrade
[20:33] <martinphone> in gparted, whats the difference between primary partition and extended partition? I m only going to use it to store huge ammounts of data, no OS, but movies, pictures, mp3 and flac...
[20:33] <TheSheep> Morgan: but as those are alphas, the process is not guaranteed to succeed flawlessly
[20:33] <Morgan> I understand the alphas are work in progress, but are they reasonably stable?
[20:34] <TheSheep> no idea, didn't try any, it usually changes
[20:34] <TheSheep> one day they may be stable, next day there might be some bug
[20:34] <Morgan> hm, alright
[20:35] <TheSheep> martinphone: it's a leftover from the DOS days, basically you only can have 4 primary partitions on a disk, and an extended partition is a way around that -- it creates a primary partition that can have more partitions inside it
[20:35] <martinphone> ok TheSheep
[20:35] <TheSheep> martinphone: so if you don't need more than 4, go with primary
[20:51] <martinphone> in this new 1GB external HDD I want to reduce lost and found space to 1% instead of the defaul 5%, plus it is owned by root and not me, how do I change that?
[20:51] <martinphone> nautilus didnt do the thing
[20:55] <martinphone> chmod changes permissions, doesnt it?
[21:08] <martinphone> will sudo nautilus work in a terminal?
[21:10] <knome> martinphone, gksudo is for launching gui apps, sudo for CLI stuff, regardless where you run them
[21:11] <martinphone> ok, i did change the permissions with that, I still need to reduce "lost and found" space from 5% to 1% (ext4)
[22:22] <daedaluz> application menu has Wine sub-menu in it, but the entry doesn't show in alacarte
[22:54] <Maccer> Is there a way to integrate lubuntu with xubuntu?
[22:54] <Maccer> Or at least the lxde/openbox interface
[22:58] <knome> that question doesn't make sense
[22:58] <knome> if you want lxde, use lubuntu, and install the software you want
[23:01] <Maccer> I wanted to see what the lubuntu flavor would look like without overwriting xubuntu
[23:01] <Maccer> I just installed lxde... but... okay
[23:02] <Unit193> Try a liveCD would be my recommendation...
[23:03] <Maccer> Yeah, but all I want to do is try to see how better openbox/lxde theming is.  XFCE afaik doesn't support horizontal titlebar gradients
[23:04] <knome> i don't think lxde or openvox does that either
[23:04] <knome> openbox too
[23:05] <Maccer> http://openbox.org/wiki/Help:Themes#Gradients
[23:09] <daedaluz> is there a way to change thunar icons while leaving the notification area untouched?
[23:15] <Maccer> daedaluz: You mean the notification area uses an icon that xfce uses for files?
[23:17] <Maccer> You'd have to start with the gtkrc in xfce-notify and then probably change something in gtk-3.0, but I don't know, your organization could be different
[23:18] <daedaluz> I mean the tray icons. I like them monochrome, but shiki would be cooler thunar icon theme Maccer
[23:25] <Maccer> daedaluz: uhh... I don't know.  Try #xfce if you haven't.  Also, the indicator plugin... the panel editor doesn't allow it to be configured, does anyone know how I can switch the order of the icons that relate to it?
[23:26] <daedaluz> I guess I'll just make a new theme by combining shiki & greybird, thanks anyways