[01:26] <David23400> How can i change or add more languages to my keyboard on lubuntu
[01:27] <kanliot> you want to switch keyboard layout?
[01:27] <David23400> hmm for example FR EN
[01:28] <kanliot> you have a french keyboard?
[01:28] <David23400> yes
[01:28] <kanliot> or you want to type french?
[01:28] <David23400> The current language is French
[01:28] <David23400> on my keyboard
[01:28] <kanliot> i don't understand
[01:28] <David23400> I want to add Persian too
[01:28] <David23400> so when i want i switch to persian and type
[01:28] <David23400> on windows there were an icon down right
[01:30] <kanliot> did you try lxkeymap?
[01:32] <kanliot> there is also a keyboard layout switcher applet for the bottom panel
[01:48] <HighTech> Hey everyone...i have a question and i hope someone can help me out...I Binded my "windows" key to open up the Lubuntu Menu...It works. However, if i press my windows key again, the menu doesn't collapse. Does anyone know how i can configure the windows key to collapse the main menu?
[01:52] <kanliot> nope
[01:53] <HighTech> There has got to be some hack for it..i will find it somehow
[01:55] <kanliot> HighTech, you wanna join the wiki-docs team?  we edit the wiki
[01:55] <David23400> Hi, how can i add Persian(Farsi) language layout to my keyboard on lubuntu?
[01:56] <HighTech> Sure  thing
[01:56] <kanliot> David23400, did you try lxkeymap and the panel applet?
[01:57] <kanliot> cool
[01:57] <David23400> yes panel applet just added the icon to the navbar Thanks for that
[01:57] <David23400> but there is only French language in it
[01:57] <David23400> I dont know how to add more languages to it to switch between.
[01:58] <kanliot> create an account on http://help.ubuntu.com and join the https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-wiki-docs team on launchpad.  it might take a while to create your launchpad acct.
[01:58] <kanliot> :)
[01:58] <David23400> ?
[01:58] <HighTech> awesome
[01:58] <HighTech> thanks man..ill join asap
[02:02] <kanliot> David23400, hold on a min
[02:02] <David23400> ok thanks
[02:07] <kanliot> David23400, what languages did you want again?
[02:07] <David23400> well
[02:08] <kanliot> i need the country abbr for them: like us, fr
[02:08] <David23400> Persian/Farsi/Iran
[02:08] <David23400> Iran is the country
[02:08] <David23400> Farsi or Persian is the language
[02:08] <David23400> or even
[02:08] <David23400> فارسی
[02:11] <kanliot> david please look at this list and give me each abbreviation.  thx
[02:11] <kanliot> http://www.loc.gov/standards/iso639-2/php/English_list.php
[02:16] <kanliot> David23400, just tell me which layouts you want and i'll look it up
[02:17] <David23400> ok
[02:17] <David23400> its typed
[02:18] <David23400> Persian - Persian - persan - per/fas - fa
[02:18] <kanliot> and what other one
[02:18] <kanliot> you need at least 2
[02:19] <kanliot> and do you know how to logout, login to lubuntu?
[02:19] <David23400> i dont know sorry I'm new to linux
[02:19] <David23400> i need 2 ?
[02:19] <kanliot> no prob
[02:19] <David23400> so english too
[02:19] <kanliot> ok
[02:27] <kanliot> ok here goes
[02:27] <kanliot> you need to go to terminal and enter 2 commands
[02:27] <kanliot> first
[02:27] <kanliot> sudo su
[02:27] <kanliot> second:
[02:27] <kanliot> echo @setxkbmap -layout \"fa,us\" >> /etc/xdg/lxsession/Lubuntu/autostart
[02:28] <kanliot> you should be able to paste the command with control+shift+v
[02:29] <David23400> ok
[02:29] <David23400> let me try
[02:29] <David23400> echo @setxkbmap -layout \"fa,us\" >> /etc/xdg/lxsession/Lubuntu/autostart ?
[02:30] <kanliot> after you did sudo su your bash prompt should change
[02:30] <David23400> i have typed sudo su then password
[02:30] <David23400> and then 2nd line
[02:30] <David23400> but it says nothing
[02:30] <kanliot> good
[02:30] <David23400> ok now ?
[02:30] <kanliot> thats what it should do
[02:30] <kanliot> restart lubuntu should work
[02:31] <David23400> ok thank you very much
[02:31] <David23400> Ill be back :p
[02:31] <kanliot> :)
[02:36] <David23400> Well at first it was EN at the corner right ( without PERSIAN ) and then when i opened xchat it became FR and there is no anything else.
[02:38] <kanliot> i think i used the wrong code
[02:38] <kanliot> fa is wrong
[02:43] <David23400> but the english didnt stay too
[02:44] <kanliot> i think the code should be ir
[02:45] <kanliot> not what i did
[02:45] <kanliot> you ever used a text editor like notepad before?
[02:45] <kanliot> run this in the terminal
[02:45] <kanliot> sudo leafpad /etc/xdg/lxsession/Lubuntu/autostart
[02:45] <kanliot> change the fa to ir
[02:45] <David23400> what is the fa lol
[02:46] <Unit193> gksudo for GUI sudo.
[02:46] <David23400> yes i have used notpad before lol
[02:46] <kanliot> once you run the command you should see -layout "fa,us"
[02:46] <David23400> I'm an android developer i know scripting
[02:46] <kanliot> so change to -layout "ir,us"
[02:46] <David23400> so i just run this?
[02:46] <kanliot> and logout, login
[02:47] <kanliot> yeah sudo leafpad .... like above
[02:47] <David23400> ok a text editor opened
[02:47] <David23400> @setxkbmap -layout "fa,us"
[02:48] <David23400> Why not just removing the us lol
[02:48] <David23400> brb loggin out
[02:51] <David23400> Nice man thanks but i losed my french keyboard
[02:52] <David23400> i think i have to change US to FR
[02:52] <kanliot> you can add as many as you like with the commas
[02:53] <David23400> ok
[02:53] <David23400> brb
[02:56] <David23400> Thank you very much
[02:56] <David23400> You're really a professional
[02:56] <David23400> i didnt find anything such easy on web
[02:56] <kanliot> thx
[02:57] <David23400> so the first thing we have done was not so useful?
[02:58] <David23400> i just need to add this line
[02:58] <David23400> @setxkbmap -layout "fr,ir"
[02:58] <David23400> right?
[02:58] <kanliot> yup
[02:58] <David23400> no need :  echo @setxkbmap -layout \"fa,us\" >> /etc/xdg/lxsession/Lubuntu/autostart
[02:58] <David23400> ?
[02:59] <kanliot> i guess that's actually harder if you are used to notepad
[02:59] <David23400> Man next time if i reinistall this linux ? do i need to type this command  echo @setxkbmap -layout \"fa,us\" >> /etc/xdg/lxsession/Lubuntu/autostart and then do the rest? or just editing the file is enough?
[03:00] <kanliot> the echo command is the same as adding the line
[03:00] <kanliot> same as editing the file
[03:01] <David23400> ok thank you very much
[03:01] <kanliot> yw
[04:19] <uofm49426> running 11.10 lubuntu on a thinkpad r40 with 768 kb of ram 32 mb radeon m 7500
[04:20] <uofm49426> is there a better option to flash player11 it stutters alot
[04:22] <kanliot> you might try the new firefox
[04:22] <uofm49426> i am
[04:22] <holstein> and/or, chrome, since its got its own flash "baked in"
[04:23] <kanliot> if you are desperate, you might try using the mplayer thingy that works on youtube
[04:23] <uofm49426> you mean chromium
[04:24] <uofm49426> can i purge flash player 11 and find last flash player 10
[04:25] <holstein> i actually meant chrome, since it has its own flash.. chromium, being open source, cannot
[04:26] <uofm49426> is there chrome for ubuntu
[04:27] <holstein> https://www.google.com/intl/en/chrome/browser/
[04:29] <uofm49426> i realize cant expect much from p 4 1.8 an 768 k of ram but it sill faster then my phone but my phone is better lol
[04:30] <kanliot>  ru using firefox 14?
[04:30] <holstein> i usually add the stable FF ppa for folks
[04:31] <uofm49426> 14.0.1
[04:33] <uofm49426> i dont have stuttering using gnome mplayer or vlc ass far as video goes
[04:33] <holstein> uofm49426: i dont think you need to debate if flash is the issue or not
[06:15] <wallnuts> Hi, is it possible to start an X session on another tty such as TTY 2 or 3?
[06:15] <wallnuts> if so how?
[06:18] <bioterror> it would go to tty8
[06:19] <bioterror> tty2 and tty3 are reserved for the console
[06:20] <wallnuts> how do you that I don't have a shell in tty8
[06:21] <wallnuts> sorry I'm kinda a noob
[06:25] <bioterror> becouse you're a noob and you have not configured your inittab ;-)
[10:02] <wallnuts> #cars
[10:38] <synned> ?
[10:54] <ari3lb123> How do I configure the function keys in lubuntu
[10:57] <bioterror> what they should do?
[10:58] <ari3lb123> they do not work as they should - like FN=f3 should mute but it does not do anything
[10:58] <bioterror> ahhh
[10:58] <bioterror> your laptop is?
[10:59] <ari3lb123> fn+f4 + arrow keys should adjust volume but it does nothing
[10:59] <ari3lb123> my laptop is sony VAIO
[10:59] <ari3lb123> PCG-V505CP
[11:00] <ari3lb123> fn+f7 should change the monitor settings and connect to external TV
[11:00] <synned> ?
[11:01] <ari3lb123> synned, the FN keys on my laptop are not working and that is what i am talking about
[11:02] <synned> i have lubuntu 12.04 can any tell me where can i get more themes.
[11:02] <ari3lb123> i agree that would be good, more themes as the default one is not very nice
[11:04] <bioterror> I'll write a FAQ about themes
[11:04] <bioterror> that shows what you have to do to make your lubuntu look different
[11:04] <bioterror> as it's a little complex thing. it's about GTK Engine + LXDE Panel images + Openbox theme
[11:05] <synned> @bioterror i dont need heavy eye candy i just need few new themes that i can install
[11:05] <ari3lb123> im just sticking with the ugly default one as i cant realy be bothered
[11:05] <Unit193> Problem is, need something that's good with GTK2 and GTK3, and GTK3 hasn't settled itself yet either.
[11:06] <synned> @bioterror does lxde uses gtk engine or something else
[11:06] <bioterror> yes
[11:06] <bioterror> as you can see from lxapperance -application
[11:07] <ari3lb123> what about FN keys
[11:07] <synned> k then can i use themes that are compatible with gtk2/gtk3
[11:08] <bioterror> ari3lb123, you could use acpi_listen to sniff the command it sends when you press fn+function keys
[11:10] <Unit193> xev?
[11:10] <ari3lb123> do i type sudo apt-get install acpi_listen
[11:14] <ari3lb123> Bioterror when i type sudo apt-get install acpi_listen it does not do anything it says the package cannot be found
[11:14] <bioterror> my computer says: ~% pkgfile acpi_listen                                                                                                                         .:12:11:59 on 12-08-08:.
[11:14] <bioterror> community/acpid
[11:15] <ari3lb123> what do i type  into the command line to install it
[11:15] <bioterror> apt-get install acpid
[11:15] <ari3lb123> ive installed it
[11:15] <ari3lb123> now what do i do
[11:16] <bioterror> look for acpi_listen command
[11:17] <ari3lb123> what do you mean? look in the start menu? Enter it into terminal?
[11:17] <bioterror> terminal, ofcourse
[11:17] <ari3lb123> what do i enter ? just acpi_listen
[11:17] <bioterror> try
[11:19] <ari3lb123> now the command line is just blank - no message nothing
[11:19] <bioterror> and when you press fn + fsomething
[11:19] <bioterror> does it prompt anything?
[11:20] <ari3lb123> no its just blank
[11:20] <bioterror> hmmm
[11:20] <bioterror> press ctrl + c
[11:20] <bioterror> sudo service acpid restart
[11:20] <bioterror> and then try again
[11:21] <ari3lb123> same as before - blank no prompt
[11:21] <bioterror> yep yep
[11:22] <ari3lb123> what should i do, is there a different command i should try
[11:26] <bioterror> good question
[11:27] <ari3lb123> ive got a list of commands when i type acpi_listern -help
[11:28] <ari3lb123> it says -c , -s , -v, -h, and lists what those do
[11:29] <bioterror> well
[11:29] <bioterror> it sounds like that those keys does not use ACPI
[11:30] <bioterror> and Unit193 had there a hint about xec
[11:30] <bioterror> xev
[11:30] <ari3lb123> ?
[11:31] <ari3lb123> what is xec, i am not ubuntu expert
[11:32] <bioterror> !xev
[11:32] <ari3lb123> * i mean lubuntu expert, i know what operating system i am using
[11:32] <bioterror> !info xorg-xev
[11:32] <bioterror> http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/hardy/man1/xev.1.html
[11:33] <bioterror> look if you have xev -command
[11:33] <ari3lb123> do i need to install the package first
[11:33] <bioterror> look if you already have it
[11:33] <ari3lb123> i entered xev into CMD and it gave me some text
[11:33] <ari3lb123> so it must exist
[11:33] <ari3lb123> and need configuring or similar
[11:35] <ari3lb123> so i do have it , even though ubottu says it does not exist
[11:37] <ari3lb123> and when i entered in xev a small white windows opened
[11:40] <bioterror> does that white sniff your special keys?
[11:40] <bioterror> white window
[11:41] <ari3lb123> no its just got a black square in it
[11:41] <ari3lb123> and when i click on it nothing happens
[11:42] <bioterror> xev | sed -n 's/^.*state \([0-9].*\), keycode *\([0-9]\+\) *\(.*\), .*$/keycode \2 = \3, state = \1/p'
[11:42] <bioterror> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Hotkeys/Troubleshooting taken from there
[11:44] <ari3lb123> will that article explain it all
[11:44] <bioterror> mostly for gnome :D
[11:44] <ari3lb123> sorry, but what is gnome
[11:45] <bioterror> !gnome | ari3lb123
[11:45] <ari3lb123> so the GUI
[11:48] <ari3lb123> is that it
[11:49] <ari3lb123> will the instructions there help sort it out
[11:52] <bioterror> !info sony_acpi
[11:53] <ari3lb123> but it says somy acpi does nto exist
[11:54] <bioterror> found just outdated stuff
[11:54] <ari3lb123> well its an outdated laptop
[11:58] <cYmen> Hey guys, I want to run synclient MaxTapTime=0 at an appropriate time to disable touchpad tapping. Where should I put it?
[11:59] <bioterror> cYmen, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/FAQ/Guides#Disable_tap_to_click
[12:03] <ari3lb123> thanks for your help bioterror, i will try your instructions on the wiki page
[12:04] <cYmen> bioterror: thanks
[12:54] <Gosy_> Hey guys
[12:54] <Gosy_> im having a problem with my lubuntu not finding my wireless network
[12:55] <Gosy_> How do i fix that
[12:55] <Gosy_> any ideas?
[12:55] <Gosy_> !wireless
[13:04] <Gosy_> anyone?
[17:51] <Gosy> Hmm
[17:51] <Gosy> hello guys
[17:52] <kanliot> hi
[18:16] <KipIngram> Good afternoon.  How do I get lubuntu to stop showing notification bubbles every time I connect to a network, unplug my charger, plug in my charger, etc.?  I don't want to see the bubbles and I don't want the list down in the system tray of recent notifications that I have to clear periodically.
[19:39] <Salman> Sound problems
[19:41] <AtX> Im having an issue trying to install lubuntu via command line on ubuntu-server. http://paste.ubuntu.com/1136766/ its encountering an error when compiling bluez
[19:44] <AtX> here's a paste of when i try to -f the install http://paste.ubuntu.com/1136785/
[19:44] <bioterror> does not tell much
[19:44] <bioterror> weird
[19:45] <bioterror> as if I recall right, bluetooth stuff is not normally in lubuntu
[19:47] <KipIngram> I had to blacklist bluetooth in order to get it to stop coming on at boot in my installation.
[19:47] <bioterror> horrible bluetooth
[19:47] <AtX> ok how would i blacklist it?
[19:47] <KipIngram> Hang on a sec.
[19:47] <AtX> ok bud thanks :)
[19:50] <KipIngram> I created a file called /etc/modprobe.d/bluetooth.conf with the following three lines:
[19:50] <KipIngram> blacklist bnep
[19:50] <KipIngram> blacklist btusb
[19:50] <KipIngram> blacklist bluetooth
[19:50] <KipIngram> It stopped turning on then.
[19:50] <kanliot> atx : please file a bug
[19:50] <bioterror> that's not going to fix this problem
[19:51] <bioterror> I would try to remove bluez in the first place
[19:51] <bioterror> then continue with the installation
[19:51] <AtX> kanliot: where do i file the bug at?
[19:51] <kanliot> can you blacklist the package before he installs the lubuntu-desktop meta package?
[19:51] <kanliot> !bug
[19:51] <KipIngram> Oh, it looks like I also must have run a command to redo the initramfs stuff:
[19:52] <KipIngram> sudo update-initramfs -u -k `uname -r` -v
[19:52] <kanliot> so should be as easy as running ubuntu-bug on a pc with a web-browser
[19:52] <kanliot> ubuntu-bug bluez
[19:52] <KipIngram> So do any of you guys know how to turn off notifications in lubuntu?  Both the pop-ups and the list down in the system tray?
[19:53] <kanliot> and lynx doesn't work
[19:53] <kanliot> yeah
[19:53] <bioterror> kanliot, that's not actually a bug, it's just basic apt :D
[19:53] <bioterror> KipIngram, remove the notification application
[19:53] <kanliot> sudo apt-get remove notification-daemon
[19:53] <KipIngram> :-)  Thank you.
[19:54] <kanliot> yeah, but can't he blacklist the package before he installs lubuntu-desktop?
[19:54] <bioterror> so AtX can you: sudo apt-get purge bluez blueman
[19:54] <kanliot> that would fix it IMHO
[19:55] <AtX> bioterror: doing that now
[19:55] <AtX> ok done ok
[19:56] <bioterror> did it remove any of them?
[19:56] <kanliot> http://askubuntu.com/questions/24609/blacklisting-packages-from-installing
[19:56] <kanliot> https://www.linux.com/community/blogs/130-distributions/330616
[19:56] <AtX> kanliot: runnin the bug report bioterror: yes it removed both of them
[19:56] <bioterror> AtX, no need for bug report
[19:57] <bioterror> now just continue with sudo apt-get install lubuntu-desktop
[19:58] <AtX> kanliot: thanks :)
[20:02] <AtX> thanks guys :) that helped lots
[20:03] <bioterror> you can continue installation?
[20:03] <AtX> nope
[20:04] <AtX> bluez and blueman are still trying to install.. i added them to the file to stop them from installing
[20:04] <bioterror> what in earth pulls them :P
[20:05] <AtX> not sure
[20:06] <bioterror> which version of ubuntu you have installed now?
[20:06] <AtX> invoke-rc.d: initscript dbus, action "force-reload" failed.
[20:06] <AtX> start: Job failed to start
[20:07] <AtX> 12.04
[20:12] <bioterror> gotta think a little
[20:13] <kanliot>  atx try this: install lubuntu-core
[20:13] <bioterror> AtX, sudo dpkg --configure a
[20:13] <kanliot> boot into lubuntu
[20:13] <bioterror> AtX, sudo dpkg --configure -a
[20:13] <kanliot> then install lubuntu-desktop
[20:15] <bioterror> AtX, does that dpkg line work?
[20:20] <AtX> dpkg dont work
[20:20] <kanliot> try apt-get install lubuntu-core --no-install-recommends
[20:21] <bioterror> AtX, what does it say?
[20:22] <bioterror> one line as a response wont help us
[20:22] <AtX> already installed
[20:23] <AtX> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1136843/ is the output from the dpkg command
[20:24] <bioterror> hmmm
[20:24] <AtX> so, i then purged the bluez and blueman packages and then tried to install lubuntu-core which says that its already installed
[20:24] <bioterror> you could
[20:25] <bioterror> purge bluez, blueman, bluetooth
[20:25] <kanliot> atx boot into lubuntu and try installing then
[20:25] <bioterror> then try dpkg --configure -a  again
[20:26] <kanliot> after all, it's a dbus error, which probably isn't running until you start it
[20:26] <bioterror> kanliot, does it mystically correct the dpkg problem?
[20:26] <kanliot> nope
[20:26] <kanliot> i didn't know he had a dpkg problem
[20:26] <AtX> i did the dpkg command agian and nothing happend
[20:26] <bioterror> kanliot, you can read
[20:26] <kanliot> i read dbus problem
[20:26] <AtX> i was seeing a dbus problem also
[20:27] <bioterror> you can start dbus by sayin: sudo service dbus restart
[20:27] <AtX> started
[20:27] <bioterror> but what I see, is a dependency problem
[20:29] <bioterror> well, does it now go thru when you have this dbus running?
[20:30] <AtX> nothing on dpkg when i run that.. but lubuntu-core installs
[20:31] <bioterror> what means nothing?
[20:31] <AtX> it opens the prompt agian
[20:31] <bioterror> okay
[20:31] <AtX> lubuntu-desktop installed correctly with bluez and blueman
[20:31] <bioterror> apt-get -f install then would be a correct command after dpkg --configure -a
[20:31] <AtX> yep it installed :)
[20:32] <AtX> thanks :)
[20:32] <bioterror> mystically it was the dbus not starting :P
[20:38] <AtX> mystically.. thanks agian guys
[21:25] <manel_> Hi, how can i make the desktop appear the effect of a mini icon processing, clock xp for example, to run a desktop shortcut
[21:26] <bioterror> what?
[21:27] <kanliot> how to create shortcuts on the desktop?
[21:29] <manel_> when you ru an app in the ubuntu desktop  an animated circle icon moves in lunbuntu  lxde not , why ?
[21:29] <manel_> ---when you run
[21:30] <kanliot> animated circle on the "mouse pointer"?
[21:30] <manel_> yes
[21:30] <wxl> manel_: because they're completely different window managers/desktop environments that don't have the same features.
[21:31] <kanliot> it's annoying for me as well
[21:31] <kanliot> i can never tell when i've double-clicked or not
[21:32] <bioterror> :D
[21:32] <manel_> when i run an app in lubuntu i cant know if the app is precessing in ubuntu yes i can
[21:32] <bioterror> you need better mouse icons!
[21:32] <manel_> is processing
[21:33] <manel_> not with all the themes mose is always the same
[21:34] <manel_> without the animate draw on the mouse pointer
[21:34] <manel_> not with all the themes of mouse is always the same
[21:37] <manel_> and i would like use a animated mouse pointer like the clock of xp or similar for lubuntu
[21:38] <manel_> any idea ?
[21:39] <kanliot> sorry
[21:39] <wxl> everything i find suggests that if you actually find an openbox compatible theme with animations it should work
[21:39] <wxl> but i can't find any
[21:41] <wxl> oddly "animated mouse" pulls up nothing on box look
[21:42] <wxl> make your own? XD
[21:43] <manel_> a theme with the effect of the clock of Xp or similar
[21:43] <manel_> for lubuntu
[21:43] <wxl> you could file a bug report as a wishlist item
[21:44] <wxl> although lubuntu is meant to be low-resource usage and reducing animations reduces resource usage
[21:45] <manel_> xp is for old computers and the effect is minimum
[21:46] <manel_> the effect of the clock of xp
[21:46] <manel_> is minimum
[21:46] <wxl> there are plenty of computers lubuntu runs happily on that would never handle xp. if you wish to make an argument (i suggest backing it up with data) on why it should be included, either in a bug/wishlist or in a mailing list post, that may get you there.
[21:46] <wxl> otherwise, i'd search around for a compatible animated theme. or make your own.
[21:51] <manel_> is there a animated teme with the clock of xp or similar for lubuntu, because i cant  know when the app  run  with lubuntu
[21:51] <manel_> ?
[21:56] <kanliot> manel_ http://openbox.org/wiki/Help:Upgrading_to_3.4#Improved_startup_notification
[21:59] <amh345> hey guys.  i just usb usb creator from an ubuntu install to create a lubuntu usb boot/install.   however now that's it's created i no longer see my usb stick as an option in bios.  is this a common issue?
[22:00] <manel_> Kanliot, ok but is possible with your page make an animated teme with the clock of xp or similar for the mouse in lubuntu?
[22:02] <amh345> for what it's worth. before i used usb creator..the bios picked up the usb
[22:05] <kanliot> manel, i would figure out why openbox isn't showing the animated pointer
[22:05] <kanliot> seems to be openbox, and look at the link i linked above
[22:05] <kanliot> sorry can't help you more
[22:06] <kanliot> amh345, can you press f2 or f10 to get a "boot options" menu when you boot?
[22:07] <amh345> kanliot: i will try that now
[22:08] <amh345> looks like it's f12 for me
[22:08] <amh345> and it gives me a bunch of options.  but im not sure which one it would be.  before in my boot priority it actuallynamed out the usb drive
[22:09] <kanliot> keep tryin
[22:09] <amh345> this says things like "usb-fdd" "usb-zip" "usb-cdrom" and usb-hdd
[22:09] <kanliot> just use trial and error. it's how professionals do it
[22:09] <amh345> as well as some of the other options.  ls120. floppy
[22:09] <amh345> word. so you dont know either :)
[22:10] <kanliot> your computer is being shy.  it doesn't want to be wiped :)
[22:11] <amh345> usb creator is what caused it.
[22:11] <amh345> i dont know what the hell it did to the usb.  im going to take another swing
[22:11] <manel_> Kanliot , where is the solution in this page : http://openbox.org/wiki/Help:Upgrading_to_3.4#Improved_startup_notification
[22:12] <kanliot> sorry manel_ can't help, coz i donno
[22:13] <manel_> what  I should activate?
[22:14] <manel_> what is coz and donno ?
[22:15] <amh345> he means he doesnt know
[22:15] <manel_> amh ok
[22:15] <amh345> word
[22:16] <amh345> glad i could be of disservice
[22:16] <amh345> i hope after all this effort trying to get lubuntu to install it runs nicer than that p.o.s ubuntu
[22:17] <amh345> what a bloated mess that thing was
[22:18] <manel_> amh345 now in my lubuntu i ve 322 mb of 2012 mb ram used
[22:20] <amh345> i've got 0 mb used.   running
[22:20] <amh345> smoooth
[22:20] <manel_> and without use in the start up i ve 162 mb of ram used
[22:23] <kanliot> manel_, thats normal.  ok to use ram.
[22:25] <manel_> in lubuntu must be 80 mb of memory used in the start up or a bit more?
[22:25] <kanliot> lubuntu uses the memory for lots of stuff
[22:25] <kanliot> if you run out of memory you will know
[22:28] <manel_> no with lubuntu in my computer out memory is very dificult with ubuntu yes maybe
[22:29] <amh345> still no dice on booting.
[22:30] <amh345> theres something called http://www.linuxliveusb.com/
[22:30] <amh345> but it;s only for windows.
[22:30] <amh345> if i have to get this working by using windows--- xUbuntu has got some serious problems
[22:31] <kanliot> do you have a cd to burn on?
[22:31] <manel_> with wine could work this app for usb ?
[22:31] <amh345> kanliot: nah, none of these machines have cdroms anymore
[22:31] <amh345> they do have network though
[22:32] <kanliot> :(
[22:32] <wxl> ok i should have been paying attention
[22:32] <wxl> what's your deal amh345 ?
[22:32] <amh345> my father left us when i was a small child.
[22:32] <kanliot> he used unetbootin and his old pc won't boot off it
[22:32] <wxl> oh well that's easy
[22:32] <amh345> my moter developed a nasty drinking habit
[22:32] <kanliot> but it did b4
[22:32] <wxl> sudo apt-get install self-confidence
[22:32] <amh345> haha
[22:33] <wxl> ohhhhh unetbootin poooooo
[22:33] <amh345> ive got ubuntu 12.04 runnign right now. it's terrible.  i want something lightweight like lubuntu.
[22:33]  * wxl shrinks back into the dark corner
[22:33] <amh345> so i used startup creator to create from the lubuntu iso.  and now my usb doesnt show in boot options.
[22:33] <wxl> ok so i have a netbook i threw lubuntu on via usb
[22:33] <wxl> i did have to mess quite a bit with the boot options
[22:33] <amh345> what did you use to burn the usb?
[22:34] <amh345> ah
[22:34] <wxl> i tried to set it in bios and it didn't play right
[22:34] <wxl> so i had to hit the option that would allow me to select a boot device
[22:34] <wxl> also i found that not all ports are built the same way
[22:34] <wxl> the ones on the right did not work where the ones on the left did (or vice versa, don't remember)
[22:34] <wxl> as for what i used to create it, i don't remember off hand
[22:34] <amh345> do you happen to remember what boot device you selected?   before i had hdd1/hdd2/usb  but now ive only got hdds showing up.
[22:34] <wxl> but in the end that wasn't my problem if you get my drift
[22:35] <wxl> it's possible that it does show up as an hdd
[22:35] <wxl> i think i did see kanliot mention trial and error
[22:35] <wxl> it's a very good suggestion
[22:35] <amh345> sweet jesus
[22:35] <amh345> before i mess with that im going to try burning it on an old xp laptop i have for ww2
[22:36] <amh345> if it works i will be both happy and very unimpressed
[22:36] <wxl> oh lord what's the worst that will happen?
[22:36] <amh345> nothing.
[22:36] <wxl> exactly
[22:36] <amh345> i want have acess to my copious amounts of pornography
[22:36] <wxl> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick/#Known_Issues
[22:36] <amh345> wont
[22:36] <amh345> thi is all for a media server, really
[22:36] <amh345> ubuntu is too bulky and gross
[22:37] <manel_> lubuntu is the best ubuntu but hasnt support lts like xubuntu
[22:37] <amh345> never used xubuntu.
[22:37] <manel_> and why ?
[22:37] <kanliot> i'd open up the computer and put a cd-rom drive in
[22:37] <wxl> i'm pretty sure since i was at work i used linux live usb creator btw amh345
[22:37] <wxl> oh sheesh now i retract previous comment and assert kanliot is off his rocker
[22:37] <amh345> k, thats the win program, right wxl ?
[22:38] <wxl> oh hmmm
[22:38] <wxl> maybe i did use unetbootin!
[22:38] <wxl> but yeah both should work
[22:38]  * wxl doesn't remember
[22:39] <manel_> when a lubuntu lts for 5 years of support ?
[22:39] <n150p> hello
[22:39] <amh345> unetbootin appears to be win as well.
[22:39] <amh345> so regardless.  of to winblowz
[22:39] <wxl> manel_: not
[22:39] <wxl> doesn't mean you won't get support
[22:40] <manel_> not i want a lubuntu stable with 5 years of  life
[22:40] <wxl> honestly i think lts is an annoying farce
[22:40] <wxl> if you want super stability (and forget everything else) try bsd :/
[22:41] <manel_> bsd is a rock
[22:41] <n150p> if i may ask a question: does anyone of you use tilda (quake-style terminal emu)?
[22:41] <wxl> rock solid for sure
[22:41] <wxl> updated? welllll no.
[22:43] <kanliot> ya guake
[22:44] <n150p> kanliot, does transparency work for you? i tried both tilda and guake, they both show my desktop instead of "real" transparency
[22:44] <manel_> see you soon -----bye
[22:45] <kanliot> na donsn't work
[22:46] <n150p> hmm. thanks for trying. maybe i should just purge tilda. it's old and obviously not working.
[22:51] <n150p> i guess i should hit myself hard for the question. lxde seems to be designed to not support transparency for (obvious) performance reasons.
[22:51] <wxl> n150p: indeed. i've tried it too in the past but nothing works great
[22:51] <wxl> i used
[22:51] <wxl> err
[22:51]  * wxl doesn't remember but neither tilda nor guake
[22:52] <n150p> so for the malfunction of the transparency option, here's why: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1686113
[22:53] <n150p> tl;dr Openbox does not support native transparency
[22:55] <n150p> thanks kanliot, wxl for your answers.
[22:55] <n150p> good night all