[02:26] <sandro_> hi all
[07:52] <dpm> JoseeAntonioR, not sure you're online yet, but we'd like to use Ubuntu on air for a public hangout about Quickly this afternoon. How can we do that?
[07:52] <JoseeAntonioR> dpm: I'm online ;)
[07:52] <dpm> ah, cool :)
[07:53] <JoseeAntonioR> dpm: mind a PM?
[07:53] <dpm> sure
[09:53] <akgraner> mhall119, enjoy using Arch :-P  your comment made me laugh
[13:50] <mhall119> akgraner: :)
[14:22] <AlanBell> side project of the day http://ratemyspicerack.com/ nigelb might like it
[14:23] <nigelb> AlanBell: Nice!
[14:24] <AlanBell> more submissions required!
[14:25] <jcastro> mine is pretty plain
[14:25] <AlanBell> doesn't matter, lets see it
[14:25] <jcastro> ok
[14:27] <jcastro> your submission process is not fun
[14:27] <jcastro> however since you need content I will just G+ share it with you
[14:27] <AlanBell> working on it
[14:27] <AlanBell> that is fine
[14:32] <AlanBell> Favorite spice?
[14:35] <AlanBell> http://ratemyspicerack.com/castrojo
[14:46] <jcastro> ... is not in my rack, garlic powder
[14:46] <jcastro> it's a seperate huge container
[14:47] <jcastro> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adobo
[14:47] <jcastro> "garlic powder" doesn't really describe it
[14:48] <jcastro> "Adobo seco consists of garlic powder, onion powder, salt, black pepper, dry orégano brujo, and sometimes dried citrus zest."
[14:48] <mhall119> adobo is good stuff
[14:48] <jcastro> that's some good eatin' right there
[15:00] <jcastro> we hanging?
[15:01] <jono> balloons, mhall119, dpm, jcastro all set?
[15:01]  * balloons is coming
[15:01] <dpm> yep!
[15:01]  * balloons waits for jono joke
[15:01] <jcastro> AWWW YEAH@
[15:01] <jcastro> http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/106/887/backpain-1292835351.jpg
[15:01] <jono> balloons, mhall119, dpm, jcastro https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/14c4a62584cb9a92b34853cab2d7485a4d95e05f?authuser=0&hl=en-US
[15:01] <dpm> :)
[15:01]  * balloons notes he isn't late until it's started
[15:01] <cjohnston> balloons is on time today?
[15:01]  * jono blinks at balloons :-)
[15:02] <dpm> it's not him
[15:02] <dpm> probably a bot
[15:02] <jono> agreed
[15:02]  * dpm hugs balloons :)
[15:03] <balloons> dpm: hug is not understood. To see all available commands type HELP
[15:03] <jono> balloons, you are late
[15:04]  * jono smirks
[15:04] <balloons> lol
[15:49] <AlanBell> jcastro: submission process now is actually a submission process http://ratemyspicerack.com/share-your-rack/
[15:55] <dpm> jcastro, it seems Jose is not around: could you update the hangout link on www.ubuntuonair.com to be https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/4181230f727885673ffbd1232bad36d9c3c45129?authuser=2&hl=en - or just add mhall119, jono and I to the admin list so that we can do it ourselves?
[15:56] <jcastro> I did add you, you should h ave a WP invite incoming
[15:56] <jcastro> in your email
[15:57] <dpm> jcastro, it seems it's not there yet, would you mind passing me the username and password in the meantime?
[18:32] <jcastro> <--- out of caffeine, be back in 10
[21:45] <bkerensa> lol
[21:45] <bkerensa> mhall119: I plan to hopefully announce testing for SUMO on Sat/Sun or Mon? With some customizations ofc
[21:49] <mhall119> bkerensa: awesome! Thanks dude
[21:49] <bkerensa> The requested URL /ubuntu/dists/quantal/main/dist-upgrader-all/current/DevelReleaseAnnouncement.html was not found on this server.
[21:49] <bkerensa> heh
[22:58] <jono> check out http://www.dayinpix.com/
[23:03] <greg-g> too bad they don't respect the CC license terms *grumbles*
[23:03] <greg-g> (all the photos are photos from flickr that are under a cc license, and all cc licenses require, at least, attribution, which they don't give)
[23:04] <greg-g> oh, hehe, I see the about now
[23:04] <greg-g> sorry jono and redhead
[23:04] <greg-g> ;)
[23:05]  * greg-g wanders away
[23:08]  * AlanBell wonders if jono has a nice rack
[23:08] <AlanBell> http://ratemyspicerack.com/
[23:09] <jono> greg-g, there is attribution, under the pic
[23:09] <greg-g> jono: ohhhh, I see it now
[23:10] <greg-g> it wasn't on the main page, I didn't see the other view (where you can comment on them)
[23:10]  * greg-g retracks previous remarks
[23:10] <jono> :-)
[23:10] <jono> greg-g, I will ask Aq to add the credit when you have created your pic
[23:15] <greg-g> jono: to be extra cool (since now I know it is you/Aq): adding in the license metadata would be great as well: http://wiki.creativecommons.org/Web_Integration/RDFaExample
[23:15] <greg-g> I see you have the schema.org/opengraph metadata started in there, shouldn't be too hard to add on top of that
[23:16] <AlanBell> jono: I like dayinpix, that is fun
[23:18] <jono> AlanBell, thanks!
[23:18] <jono> greg-g, can you drop sil@kryogenix.org an email about that?
[23:19] <jono> AlanBell, if you can use it and post your pic on social media, that would be cool :-)
[23:20] <AlanBell> I have G+'d a couple
[23:20] <AlanBell> still want to see your rack ;)
[23:20] <jono> AlanBell, are you into BBQ?
[23:20] <greg-g> jono: yeah, will do
[23:20] <jono> thanks greg-g!
[23:20] <AlanBell> a bit, BBQ is my kind of cooking
[23:20] <greg-g> can I get a url for my pix without sharing via G+/FB/PIN?
[23:21] <greg-g> my dayinpix, rather
[23:21] <jono> AlanBell, I am really getting into it
[23:21] <jono> greg-g, I have asked Aq to join
[23:21] <jono> he can answer a few questions
[23:21]  * greg-g nods
[23:21] <greg-g> thanks
[23:21] <jono> AlanBell, I just bought http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B001I8ZTJA/thevirtualweberb today
[23:22] <AlanBell> very nice
[23:22] <jono> I was using one of these: http://brinkmann.net/products/details.aspx?item=810-7080-K
[23:22]  * AlanBell cheats and uses gas
[23:22] <greg-g> yo yo aquarius
[23:22] <aquarius> so this is where the community team hang out and control the world from, eh?
[23:22] <AlanBell> hi aquarius
[23:22] <jono> AlanBell, yeah I am using gas for grilling, but I want to master smoking
[23:22] <greg-g> shhhh, don't spread the word
[23:22] <jono> smoking low and slow is fun :-)
[23:22] <jono> aquarius, yep
[23:22]  * AlanBell wonders if aquarius has a nice rack too http://ratemyspicerack.com
[23:22] <greg-g> aquarius: two questions: 1) can I get a URL for my dayinpix without sharing it via FB/G+/Pin first?
[23:23] <AlanBell> yeah, we need to get more into the smoking thing in the UK
[23:23] <greg-g> 2) would be great to add in license metadata as well on the pages, I see you're already doing opengraph and schema.org stuff - http://wiki.creativecommons.org/Web_Integration/RDFaExample
[23:23] <greg-g> but, number 2 I can chat more about later :)
[23:23] <aquarius> greg-g, not at the moment...
[23:23] <jono> AlanBell, ahhh the flavor on the smoker is incredible
[23:23] <aquarius> because I'm not sure where to do it. :)
[23:24] <jono> and it is fun cooking that way too
[23:24] <jono> AlanBell, I got the Brinkmann because it is electric powered to get started, but I am now moving to charcoal to get that real smokey flavor :-)
[23:25] <aquarius> greg-g, licence stuff, interesting. However... I don't think it would be useful. The page is dynamically built, so all the stuff is javascripted in; we don't *know* the licence info etc until client-side runtime. I can inject rdf at that point, but people who want propagated licence metadata normally want it so that it's fetchable by some sort of semantic web engine scraper bot thing, which doesn't run
[23:25] <aquarius> JS
[23:25] <aquarius> correct me if I'm wrong, of course :)
[23:25] <jono> AlanBell, I did my first pulled pork a little while back - I posted it to http://www.thesmokering.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=603945#603945 - that forum is pretty cool :-)
[23:25] <aquarius> I have, myself, always liked smoking, so I'm with jono on this
[23:26] <greg-g> aquarius: yeah, I mean, the page of the specific dayinpix are indexable, right?
[23:26] <aquarius> although I'm not using charcoal, I've gone electric ;)
[23:26] <jono> aquarius, lol
[23:26] <aquarius> greg-g, sort of. It's all built client-side.
[23:26] <greg-g> aquarius: so google can't see the content/know what is on the page other than the top meta tags?
[23:27] <aquarius> correct. The meta tags are added server-side, but we do not cache anything, at all, on the server; it's all derived from the URL.
[23:27]  * greg-g nods
[23:27] <aquarius> so we'd have to fetch the licence info at runtime
[23:28] <aquarius> and that will happen in JS, *after* a spider has read the page.
[23:28] <aquarius> I don't know whether the sort of bot that will read RDFa metadata is capable of running in-page script and reading the generated DOM.
[23:28] <aquarius> if it is, adding that isn't too difficult.
[23:28] <greg-g> aquarius: yeah, gotcha
[23:28]  * greg-g nods
[23:28] <greg-g> ok, nevermind then
[23:29] <aquarius> I did think about that myself :)
[23:29] <greg-g> :) good
[23:30] <aquarius> your point about being able to fish out a URL without sharing is a reasonable one, I'm just not sure where to put that. jono, suggestions welcomed ;)
[23:32] <jono> aquarius, just put a 'link' button next to the social media buttons, I think
[23:33] <aquarius> hm, yeah, maybe that's the way. What's a recognisable symbol for a link? The two-links-of-a-chain thing?
[23:33] <aquarius> am always worried that that only makes sense if you're english :)
[23:33] <jono> aquarius, I think the two links chain thing is best
[23:34] <mhall119> aquarius: it didn't post right to my G+ page
[23:35] <aquarius> indeed.
[23:35] <aquarius> now why isn't that working?
[23:35] <mhall119> worked fine against Facebook though
[23:35] <AlanBell> space in "video conf"
[23:35] <mhall119> aquarius: does it not like the space/%20 in "Video Conf"?
[23:35] <aquarius> I think it's because of the space, yes
[23:35] <mhall119> AlanBell: great minfds
[23:35] <aquarius> but I thought i'd fixed that.
[23:36] <aquarius> stupid urls
[23:36] <aquarius> ah, man, I'm double-escaping it.
[23:36]  * aquarius headbutts everything.
[23:36] <mhall119> lol
[23:36] <aquarius> right. Do it again but don't put a space in :)
[23:37] <aquarius> and I'll fix it for future people ;)
[23:37] <mhall119> no, videoconf isn't a thing
[23:37]  * aquarius tries to work out how
[23:37] <aquarius> am worried that whether location.pathname arrives in JS escaped or not is browser-specific.
[23:37] <mhall119> I used Chromium, fwiw
[23:38] <mhall119> well, the webapps PPA version of Chromium
[23:38] <aquarius> yeah, it's escaped in ff and chromium
[23:38]  * aquarius rtfs to work out where it's double-escaped
[23:39] <jcastro> heya jono/aquarius
[23:39] <jcastro> you guys pick a blogging platform yet?
[23:39] <jono> jcastro, not yet
[23:41] <aquarius> no, hang on, it *should* be double-escaped.
[23:41] <aquarius> what I am doing is *correct*
[23:41] <aquarius> and google is wrong
[23:42] <aquarius> not that that helps
[23:42] <aquarius> jcastro, I am still agonising about it :)
[23:42]  * aquarius debates banning spaces
[23:43] <aquarius> google just doesn't let you share a link with a %20 in the url, afaict
[23:43] <jcastro> hey so mims/clint and I were like
[23:43] <aquarius> that's ungood.
[23:43] <aquarius> jono, how bad is banning spaces?
[23:43] <jcastro> "you know, we could just take a javascript markdown editor and add it to a static page, and then feed wordpress"
[23:44] <greg-g> of the text? :(
[23:44] <jcastro> which is basically "hey we should rewrite wordpress." so we punched ourselves in the face
[23:44] <greg-g> I want to say "BABY ALARM!"
[23:44] <greg-g> oh well ;)
[23:44] <aquarius> maybe I can replace them with a Unicode GREEK EMPTY SPACE ALPHA 2 POINTLESS EXTRA CHARACTER marker or something ;)
[23:44] <greg-g> hehe
[23:44] <jcastro> of course, I meant js widget to feed /octopress/
[23:44] <aquarius> greg-g, you can't do that anyway, you're only allowed 10 chars by design :P
[23:45] <greg-g> ok, well then, no "!"
[23:45] <aquarius> jcastro, yeah, that'd be doable, indeed
[23:46] <jcastro> let's not do that.
[23:46] <aquarius> mhall119, you feeling knowledgeable about URLs and like being a sounding-board for a minute?
[23:46] <jcastro> that's how bad things happen
[23:47] <mhall119> aquarius: sure
[23:47] <jcastro> "well, we started with good intentions, just a quick static generator; and here I am, 9 months later; 40 pounds overweight, alcoholic, divorced, friendless, and it's all in ruby."
[23:47] <mhall119> I'll warn you, feelings of knowledgeability don't equate to actual knowledge
[23:48] <aquarius> mhall119, right. So, if I want to share a URL http://mhall.com/pies via g+, I can go to https://plus.google.com/share?url=http%3A%2F%2Fmhall.com%2Fpies
[23:48] <jcastro> also I was referring to myself in that one
[23:48] <jono> aquarius, I dont think we should ban spaces
[23:48] <jcastro> before someone comes in with the obvious punchline
[23:48] <aquarius> that is: I escape the URL in the query parameter
[23:48] <mhall119> ok
[23:48] <mhall119> mhall119.com is the correct domain name though
[23:49] <aquarius> if I have a URL with a space in, it'd be http://mhall.com/pies%20and%20chips
[23:50] <aquarius> so I should share that with https://plus.google.com/share?url=http%3A%2F%2Fmhall.com%2Fpies%2520and%2520chips right? That is: the % in the original URL gets escaped *again* as %25 because it's now in a querystring parameter
[23:50] <aquarius> my reasoning is correct there, I think
[23:51] <jcastro> http://www.howtogeek.com/121014/x-awesome-new-ubuntu-apps-developed-for-the-ubuntu-app-showdown/
[23:51] <mhall119> https://plus.google.com/share?url=http%3A%2F%2Fmhall119.com%2Fpies%2520and%2520chips appears to work, yes
[23:52] <aquarius> however, g+ doesn't fetch such URLs correctly.
[23:53] <aquarius> https://plus.google.com/share?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dayinpix.com%2Fl%2F4694605032%2F3019277650%2F4442706561%2Fcoffee%2Fvideo%2520conf%2Fwiki does not work.
[23:53] <aquarius> and it should.
[23:53] <mhall119> aquarius: try using %2B instead of %2520 to encode spaces?
[23:53] <aquarius> I think that's a G+ bug.
[23:54] <aquarius> ah, man, quoteplus?
[23:54] <aquarius> nope, that doesn't work either
[23:54] <mhall119> why not? + in a URL is supposed to be substituted for a space
[23:54] <aquarius> I know.
[23:54] <mhall119> bah, stupic G+
[23:54] <aquarius> I've just tried it and it doesn't work :)
[23:54] <mhall119> replace spaces with underscores in your URL, and convert them back into spaces in the UI
[23:55] <aquarius> https://plus.google.com/share?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dayinpix.com%2Fl%2F4694605032%2F3019277650%2F4442706561%2Fcoffee%2Fvideoconf%2Fwiki works fine, with no space. If you can make a URL that looks like that but with a space in between video and conf and which correctly fetches the image and description, tell me how, cos I can't.
[23:55] <aquarius> stupid g+
[23:55] <AlanBell> that does look a lot like a server side bug in G+
[23:55] <aquarius> the underscore thing... really? <long-suffering look>
[23:55] <mhall119> %2b seems to work
[23:55] <aquarius> please tell me I don't have to do that, at five to one in the morning
[23:56] <aquarius> really?
[23:56] <aquarius> I put an actual + in :)
[23:56] <aquarius> ah, but then that's putting an actual + symbol in
[23:56] <aquarius> (that is, not the + meaning "I am a space", an actual +)
[23:56] <aquarius> so the description and image have "video+conf"
[23:57] <mhall119> right, but that you can fix on your end
[23:57] <mhall119> right?
[23:57] <aquarius> yeah -- that's the same as the underscore
[23:57] <mhall119> but this actually follows the URL spec
[23:57] <aquarius> but it's WRONG that I should have to. What if someone actually *wants* a + ?
[23:57] <aquarius> "Me+You" as a caption, for example?
[23:58] <aquarius> this is a g+ server-side bug.
[23:58] <aquarius> I mean, I may have to just work around it, but it's still a bug ;)
[23:58] <mhall119> then you should encode that as a %2B in your url (%252B in G+'s share url)
[23:59] <mhall119> but frankly, people are much more likely to want spaces than +'s in their pictures
[23:59] <mhall119> (well, except for people who spend a lot of time on G+)
[23:59] <mhall119> oh the irony
[23:59] <aquarius> I agree with you, I'm just saying that this is a lame google bug that I should not have to work around
[23:59]  * aquarius throws all his toys out of the pram