[00:15] f/win 39 [00:15] sorry === smb` is now known as smb === doko_ is now known as doko [12:01] #startmeeting [12:01] Meeting started Wed Aug 8 12:01:41 2012 UTC. The chair is Pendulum. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. [12:01] Available commands: #accept #accepted #action #agree #agreed #chair #commands #endmeeting #endvote #halp #help #idea #info #link #lurk #meetingname #meetingtopic #nick #progress #rejected #replay #restrictlogs #save #startmeeting #subtopic #topic #unchair #undo #unlurk #vote #voters #votesrequired [12:01] o/ [12:02] Welcome to the 8 August 1200 Membership board meeting. [12:02] We will go through applicants in chronological order. When we call your name, please link us to your wiki and launchpad pages and give us a brief introduction. [12:03] #voters IdleOne head_victim Destine Pendulum [12:03] Current voters: Destine IdleOne Pendulum head_victim [12:03] Good evening all [12:03] Good evening [12:04] Good Morning here [12:04] Ravi325, are you here? [12:04] I don't see him on the user list... [12:05] Just gotta check in case they're aliasing. [12:08] Sounds like he's not here... [12:09] Okay, it looks like Ravi325 isn't here. As he's the only applicant, I guess we can put this down as a very short meeting. Thank you to all the board members who showed up. [12:09] #endmeeting === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology [12:09] Meeting ended Wed Aug 8 12:09:45 2012 UTC. [12:09] Minutes (wiki): http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-08-08-12.01.moin.txt [12:09] Minutes (html): http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-08-08-12.01.html [12:11] ... [12:11] That's quick. [12:12] happens sometimes [12:13] Oh man, I will cmoe back in September or October or se. [12:14] Next meeting: QA! [13:46] Guys, QA meeting coming in 15 minutes! [13:54] QA meeting coming 6 minutes. [14:00] #startmeeting Ubuntu QA Meeting [14:00] Meeting started Wed Aug 8 14:00:14 2012 UTC. The chair is phillw. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. [14:00] Available commands: #accept #accepted #action #agree #agreed #chair #commands #endmeeting #endvote #halp #help #idea #info #link #lurk #meetingname #meetingtopic #nick #progress #rejected #replay #restrictlogs #save #startmeeting #subtopic #topic #unchair #undo #unlurk #vote #voters #votesrequired === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | Ubuntu QA Meeting Meeting | Current topic: [14:00] * smartboyhw waves [14:00] hi, can those present please say o/ [14:00] o/ [14:00] o/ [14:01] should be a short meeting! [14:01] OK! [14:01] just like last time [14:01] The 1st August meeting [14:01] is short. [14:02] this shouldn't be! [14:02] there are no previous actions outstanding [14:02] #topic Ubuntu update === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | Ubuntu QA Meeting Meeting | Current topic: Ubuntu update [14:02] Ha! [14:03] is anyone in from Ubuntu to give an update? [14:03] Hmm...Any +1 (12.10) team members here? [14:03] hi! [14:03] me is on quantal [14:03] nice [14:04] balloons: do you know of any breaking news? [14:04] balloons: Give us an update [14:04] breaking news? [14:04] as far as I can see, things are going very well. [14:05] We are just doing the ISO Testing Cadence. [14:05] A critical bug on upgrade has been squished [14:05] YEAH! [14:05] when is the lo-menubar becoming default? [14:06] #topic other flavours === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | Ubuntu QA Meeting Meeting | Current topic: other flavours [14:06] I'll start with Lubutu [14:06] OK, thanks, phillw [14:07] As pretty much seems the case with Ubuntu, the silence on our mailing list can only mean that things are going well. I see no bugs being raised. [14:07] Great week, then. [14:07] The devs have closed a couple of niggling bugs and the artwork is under test - no problems reported. [14:08] That's all from Lubuntu [14:08] Thanks. [14:08] Any other flavours present to report in how they're getting on? [14:08] Anyone from edubuntu, Xubuntu....etc? [14:09] blank silence...:) [14:09] (crickets chirping) [14:09] well, we usually only do our status updates at the release team meetings anyway :) [14:10] (for edubuntu) [14:10] YEAH! [14:10] i personally have no idea what's going in this meeting. so keeping quiet.. [14:10] not really sure if it's useful doing the flavour updates here because then they have to do it twice and on differenc cycles [14:11] phillw, can we discuss the idea? [14:11] jocarter: this is the meeting of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam [14:11] #topic Other Topics === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | Ubuntu QA Meeting Meeting | Current topic: Other Topics [14:11] phillw: ah, ok :) [14:11] balloons: sure :) [14:11] That's quick. [14:12] I added two things to the agenda, where ARE they? [14:12] jocarter, phillw I can see jocarter's point [14:12] balloons: indeed, at this stage of testing, things are quiet. [14:12] o/ [14:13] perhaps we can alter the agenda to not specifically ask for updates from the flavors. We could handle that during the open 'other topics' portion if we wished [14:13] smartboyhw: feel free to speak :) [14:13] Ack, where are the two agenda items I added? [14:13] balloons: sure. [14:14] i agree with ballons [14:14] smartboyhw: sorry, I had a cached copy of the aganda. I'll get to them next :) [14:14] ... [14:14] balloons, any updates on the testing cadences for today? [14:15] #topic blueprint updates === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | Ubuntu QA Meeting Meeting | Current topic: blueprint updates [14:16] has anyone got anything to say on this topic? [14:17] o/ [14:17] balloons: go ahead :) [14:18] Let me find the page that lists the details of the blueprints from last cycle [14:18] Give me the link, balloons. [14:19] no worries, we are not up against the clock like at some meetings :) [14:19] In theory, we should be having a look at them as we go through the cycle. I just posted a mid-cycle review yesterday on the work items for the cycle [14:20] for instance, here's me: http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-quantal/u/nskaggs.html [14:21] but as a community we don't have a burndown chart per say.. I know some folks did get items on some of the blueprints [14:21] Wow, dude, can I get one of these pages! [14:24] phillw, .. [14:24] balloons: Receive my PM? [14:24] balloons: I'm just looking at the link [14:26] Well, phillw, you'd better move on. [14:26] it's a little confusing to me :/ The amount of things TODO does not appear to go down as things 'DONE' are flagged? [14:26] .. [14:26] phillw, I added to my TODO [14:27] balloons: ah, okay! [14:27] it should all burn down... mine isn't a good example persay, heh.. but it works [14:27] okay :) [14:28] #topic New Test Case === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | Ubuntu QA Meeting Meeting | Current topic: New Test Case [14:28] My turn. [14:28] Anyone here please read: http://sdrv.ms/ROS6Cz [14:29] This is a very mere draft of a new UEFi testcase. [14:29] smartboyhw: I have to set some time with you when you are available to go through your new test case [14:29] OK. [14:29] I need someone to help writing it better. [14:29] Anyone volunteer? [14:29] smartboyhw: we'll chat after the meeting and arrange some time when you are available. [14:30] OK. [14:30] .. [14:30] #action phillw to arrange time with smartboyhw to liase on new testcase. [14:30] ACTION: phillw to arrange time with smartboyhw to liase on new testcase. [14:30] ... [14:31] .. [14:31] #topic Other Items === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | Ubuntu QA Meeting Meeting | Current topic: Other Items [14:31] balloons: can I pop something else onto your TODO list? [14:31] As it turns out, this meeting's long. [14:32] phillw, heh.. don't worry that stuff isn't all I work on [14:32] o/ [14:32] astraljava: yes? [14:32] balloons, the burn down chart for community testing is at: http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-quantal/group/topic-quantal-quality-community-testing.html [14:32] Just a heads-up, nothing big to report on Xubuntu (nor Studio), we're testing 12.04.1 images, no huge issues has come to my knowledge. [14:33] astraljava: thanks :) [14:33] Same can be said on quantal. [14:33] astraljava: You're late! [14:33] .. [14:33] o/ [14:33] astraljava: does this have a new lowlatency kernel built? [14:33] o/ [14:33] thanks skaet [14:33] game2: This refers to? [14:33] o/ [14:34] there were no ll kernels built after precise was released [14:34] refers to US 12.04.1 [14:34] game2: Ahh... precise. Yes, there seems to be some confusion about -lowlatency. I'll try to sort it out. [14:34] .. [14:34] o/ [14:35] skaet: do you have something to add? [14:35] yup, just a reminder of the upcoming milestones [14:36] 12.04.1 will be switching from being built from precise to -updates after this week, so any testing to make sure there are no surprises would be very welcome around now. [14:36] 12.04.1 will be released on 8/23 [14:37] 12.10 Beta 1 will be on 9/6 [14:37] #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QuantalQuetzal/ReleaseSchedule [14:38] 12.10 Beta 2 on 27/6 [14:38] Final release on 18/10 [14:38] Coming up: FeatureFreeze on 23/30. [14:38] 23/8, sorry. [14:38] remaining features for quantal will be landing by 8/23 (feature freeze). [14:38] .. [14:38] UserInterfaceFreeze and Beta 1 Freeze on 30/8. [14:38] thanks skaet [14:39] o/ [14:39] smartboyhw: I have posted the link to the meeting for anyone who does not have it as a favourite on their browser :) [14:39] #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QuantalQuetzal/ReleaseSchedule [14:39] smartboyhw: go ahead [14:39] OK. [14:40] I have a question for balloons: Any updates on the participation for the ISO Testing Cadence? [14:41] smartboyhw, sure [14:41] We have had 10 people test now this week [14:42] something like ~30 results have been reported [14:42] I am working on trying to be able to show the status of cadence testing and to better explain it since there seems to be confusion [14:43] I can do that on the mailing list however, in reply to phillw [14:43] balloons: thanks [14:43] thanks balloons [14:43] in short however, the goal is to test each mandatory testcase at least once during the week.. it differs from milestones in that we are not concerned about respins, etc [14:43] .. [14:44] balloons: Every once a day is the goal [14:44] The ultimate one. [14:44] o/ We need people to test daily images EVERYDAY. [14:45] .. [14:45] smartboyhw: that is a goal, but there are insufficient testers. Better that we use our scarce resources wisely :) [14:46] Well, give me the task to find daily testers, is that OK? [14:46] I sure I'm find somebody...:) [14:47] smartboyhw: for all flavours? It will be more than somebody! It would be several hundred each day. This is why the project of automatic testing is important. [14:48] Only for Ubuntu. [14:48] but we can discuss that on the -testing channel :) [14:48] I won't do the lubuntu and xubuntu part. [14:49] .. [14:49] Anyway. [14:49] .. [14:49] balloons: has any progress been made so that the daily builds do not wipe out what has been tested on http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/219/builds [14:50] #action phillw amend agenda to remove weekly report of flavours. [14:50] ACTION: phillw amend agenda to remove weekly report of flavours. [14:51] !?!?!!?!!? [14:51] o/ [14:51] smartboyhw: yes? [14:51] Why did you remove the weekly report of flavours? [14:53] .. [14:53] smartboyhw: it was chatted about earlier in the meeting, it will fall under 'other topics' if people from the flavours are present. [14:53] phillw, you mean in the same way as during a milestone? [14:53] OK, thanks. But you should put it in the Updates section. [14:53] this week, although it's harder for you to see the previous results, they are not lost or wiped [14:54] I am counting and attempting to track them. [14:54] balloons: yes. otherwise no one knows what has been tested :) [14:54] phillw, yes, I know.. that is definitely an issue.. But we don't have a good tech solution atm to the problem [14:54] the only way I can track is by turning on the history which makes for a very long list! [14:54] if we did a traditional milestone, we'd lose results on the new iso releases [14:55] let's chat after in #testing [14:55] okies [14:55] Ok. [14:55] tldr, it's a problem, and I want to solve it.. longterm the tracker will get changes to do so. short-term, we need a soltion [14:55] .. [14:55] .. [14:56] anyone else got anything to add for the meeting that cannot be carried over to #ubuntu-testing? [14:56] No. [14:56] .. [14:56] ah, balloons I'm just going to sneak in a quick action for you :) [14:57] ... [14:57] #action balloons edit http://qa.ubuntu.com/ to reflect correct time of weekly meeting [14:57] ACTION: balloons edit http://qa.ubuntu.com/ to reflect correct time of weekly meeting [14:57] #endmeeting === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology [14:57] Meeting ended Wed Aug 8 14:57:40 2012 UTC. [14:57] Minutes (wiki): http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-08-08-14.00.moin.txt [14:57] Minutes (html): http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-08-08-14.00.html [14:57] phillw: I don't understand the last part [14:57] astraljava: thanks [14:57] hmmm.... === mmrazik is now known as mmrazik|on_the_p [14:58] The weekly meeting has a correct time... === mmrazik|on_the_p is now known as mmrazik|otp [14:59] thanks for hosting phillw [15:00] Thanks phillw [15:00] Next week chair will be me AGAIN! [15:01] np. I'll get the wiki updated shortly. [15:04] * slangasek waves [15:04] * stgraber waves [15:04] o/ [15:04] hi [15:04] #startmeeting [15:04] * ogra_ yawns [15:04] Meeting started Wed Aug 8 15:04:46 2012 UTC. The chair is slangasek. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. [15:04] Available commands: #accept #accepted #action #agree #agreed #chair #commands #endmeeting #endvote #halp #help #idea #info #link #lurk #meetingname #meetingtopic #nick #progress #rejected #replay #restrictlogs #save #startmeeting #subtopic #topic #unchair #undo #unlurk #vote #voters #votesrequired [15:04] #topic lightning round === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: lightning round [15:04] Wow, what's this meeting? [15:05] (still fighting the last remains of jetlag) [15:05] smartboyhw: Ubuntu Foundations meeting, same one that it was last week. :) [15:05] smartboyhw, fridge.ubuntu.com has the calendar [15:05] $ echo $(shuf -e barry doko stgraber jodh ev bdmurray slangasek ogra infinity cjwatson xnox stokachu) [15:06] stgraber ev cjwatson jodh barry bdmurray doko xnox infinity stokachu ogra slangasek [15:06] whoo I win [15:06] heh [15:06] nope, I do :) [15:06] * ogra_ has silver :) [15:06] for some value of win ;) [15:06] at least the monologue near the beginning ... [15:06] haha [15:07] - 12.04.1 [15:07] - 12.04.1 team meeting and minutes [15:07] - Went through all the targeted/milestoned bugs for 12.04.1, updated status based on comments and queue status. [15:07] - Verified a bunch of SRUs. [15:07] - Followed wiki page on for release - 1 month and release - 3 weeks, uploading base-files. [15:07] - Worked on getting the images to fit on a 703MB media again, still need to fix i386. [15:07] - Fixed fglrx/fglrx-updates purge bug and uploaded by tseliot. [15:07] - Now digging into bug 1029531 [15:07] Launchpad bug 1029531 in update-manager (Ubuntu Precise) "cdromupgrade from Lucid to Precise failed with unmet dependencies without network connection" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1029531 [15:07] - Other [15:07] - Some ARB app review, the app showdown made the ARB New queue reach 140 packages... Still 50 to review... [15:07] - TODO this week [15:07] - Continue the work on 12.04.1. [15:07] (DONE) [15:08] - Short week; holiday until Monday. [15:08] - Got caught up on email. [15:08] - Got involved in Seb's thread on ubuntu-release about removing the error [15:08] tracker from Ubuntu 12.04.1. [15:08] - Started implementing Matthew's design for the multiple errors dialog: [15:08] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ErrorTracker#When_there_are_multiple_simultaneous_errors [15:08] I've taught apport to export a small dbus service to ensure only one [15:08] instance of apport runs *until* the user presses the report button and the [15:08] application window disappears, chugging away adding the gdb information to [15:08] the report. GtkApplication didn't seem to make room for this concept of [15:08] releasing the singleton, but if anyone thinks DBus is too heavy/racy for [15:08] this and can come up with a better approach, I'm all ears. [15:08] - Wrote a tool to calculate the 90 day moving count of unique users. Modified [15:08] it to allow Ubuntu release specificity. This requires having a mapping of [15:08] crash ID back to the system which reported it. As we only have data in the [15:08] opposite direction, I've had to write a tool to create the needed mapping. [15:08] This has been running in the background for a few hours. Once that's done, I [15:08] should be able to reply to Steve's request for the day's crashes / 90 day [15:08] unique user count calculation. [15:08] - Helped webops land the new errors.ubuntu.com \o/. There was some fallout [15:08] from me running a newer version of Django for development than what we have [15:08] in production, but we have a deployment in progress to fix that. [15:08] (done) [15:09] Working on a Python rewrite of cdimage, with unit tests. Once I have it approved for release, it's reasonably far along: e.g. I have publish-daily rewritten. [15:09] Deployed ubuntu-archive-tools client code to automatically approve copies, saving extra error-prone manual approval steps. [15:09] Finished shifting security->updates auto-copies away from lp_archive@cocoplum and into ubuntu-archive@lillypilly (over the API). We no longer have any cron jobs running as lp_archive. [15:10] Trying to comprehend new image build options in xorriso 1.2.4 - got advice from upstream which I've yet to digest. [15:10] Worked on showing LP UI audit trail for copies (bug 1032857). [15:10] Home internet still busted. I'm on a mobile hotspot. :-/ [15:10] done [15:10] Launchpad bug 1032857 in Launchpad itself "DistributionSourcePackage:+publishinghistory should show the audit trail of copies" [Low,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1032857 [15:10] Belatedly working on aptdaemon bug 926340. Almost done - just took a while to remind myself of how to reproduce it reliably. [15:10] Launchpad bug 926340 in aptdaemon (Ubuntu Precise) "aptd crashed with UnicodeDecodeError in _set_error(): 'ascii' codec can't decode byte 0xc3 in position 9: ordinal not in range(128)" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/926340 [15:10] * boot/upstart: [15:10] - slanagasek and I worked on a number of branches for the best fix for [15:10] bug 980917. [15:10] - lots of testing for final branch for bug 980917 (including LXC). [15:10] Launchpad bug 980917 in upstart (Ubuntu Precise) "Failed to create pty - disabling logging for job [SRU]" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/980917 [15:10] - my first archive upload for Upstart (for bug 980917). [15:10] - working on SRU-ifying bug 980917 and associated precise-proposed upload. [15:10] - stateful re-exec: ConfSource/ConfFiles/inotify watches handling. [15:10] Discussion with cjwatson. Work still ongoing. [15:10] cdimage unit tests> wow, that will be awesome [15:10] - discussions with diwic and TheMuso re updated libjson0 package. [15:10] - raised debian bug 684058 on getting libjson0 version 0.10 added to [15:10] Debian bug 684058 in libjson0 "libjson0: json-c version 0.10 is now available." [Normal,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/684058 [15:10] Debian (and started looking at how to package that). [15:10] 𝀘 [15:10] [15:10] ev: nusakan:~cjwatson/python/ if you want a previous [15:11] er, a preview [15:11] will have a look, thanks! [15:11] oh man, I totes should've used an emoji character to end my report [15:13] no barry ? [15:13] try xbarry :P [15:13] jodh: first archive upload> ah, congrats :) [15:13] slangasek: thanks very much! [15:14] barry's on vac [15:14] bdrung: [15:14] sorry [15:14] bdmurray: [15:14] vacation (two days) [15:14] test case creation for bug 818760 regarding update-manager [15:14] investigation into pkg origins being Ubuntu and reported apport bug 1031978 [15:14] Launchpad bug 818760 in update-manager (Ubuntu Precise) "update-manager crashed with timeout in readline(): timed out" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/818760 [15:14] Launchpad bug 1031978 in apport (Ubuntu) "indicates a package origin of Ubuntu for Ubuntu systems" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1031978 [15:14] testing of bug 1017001 [15:14] Launchpad bug 1017001 in apt (Ubuntu Quantal) "package resolvconf 1.63ubuntu14 failed to install/upgrade: ErrorMessage: pre-dependency problem - not installing resolvconf" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1017001 [15:14] fixed xulid of firefox-lp-improvements as it was identified as malware [15:14] resolved an issue with arsenal not loading launchpad_config information from json files [15:14] reported daisy bug 1032398 [15:14] Launchpad bug 1032398 in Daisy "oops ids aren't very unique" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1032398 [15:14] reported bug 1032822 regarding json formatting at errors.ubuntu.com [15:14] Launchpad bug 1032822 in Errors "json data returned by API could be more readable" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1032822 [15:14] investigation into oops reports without a DistroRelease [15:14] investigation into dist-upgrader-all and precise not being up to date [15:14] wrote code to get errors about a package from errors.ubuntu.com and present bug data about them [15:15] malware? [15:15] ⌁ done ⌁ [15:15] the extension was using the xulid of firefox and so was a piece of malware [15:15] heh [15:15] which had it first? [15:16] https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=779014 [15:16] Mozilla bug 779014 in Blocklisting "Blocklist malicious "Adobe Flash Player 12.4.0" extension" [Normal,Resolved: fixed] [15:16] bdmurray: massive thanks for the errors.ubuntu.com stuff! [15:17] the firefox-lp-improvements extension should have had a unique id I just didn't realize that... [15:18] * slangasek nods [15:18] doko: [15:18] - the 'I hate multiarch' week [15:18] - got feedback for the gcc-multiarch patch from a fourth reviewer after pinging, having two valid [15:18] points, and contrary points to the other reviewers. fun ... [15:18] - looked at the upstream python3.3 build issue, which didn't have to do anything with the cross p [15:18] atches, but with an incomplete multiarch patch. [15:18] - binutils updates [15:18] - openjdk updates still pending [15:18] (done) [15:19] doko: put the reviewers in a room together, and whichever ones survive, implement their recommendation? :) [15:19] I would like to ... [15:20] xnox: still here? [15:20] Bits I did today: [15:20] * did an upload of ubiquity and partman-crypto to land automatic [15:20] recipe for full-disk encrypted installation. [15:20] * confirmed removal from quantal of: [15:20] - ichtux (meta-packages / derivative) [15:20] - boost1.46 [15:20] (done) [15:20] Apparently yes. [15:21] xnox: hows that rdepends test suit coming [15:21] quite a lot for a vacation day [15:21] - worked on SRU and AA tasks [15:21] - worked with lamont on new Panda buildds some more [15:21] - helped look into CD size issues for 12.04.1 [15:21] - did a couple of merges, and a bit of +1 fixing [15:21] - worked on eglibc updates for both quantal and precise [15:21] - possibly other stuff I've forgotten in my old age [15:21] [...] [15:21] 2.16 for q? [15:21] stokachu: are you blocked on that? I thought we managed to manual rebuilds of the revdeps for our multiarch libs? [15:21] Customer cases took priority this week, still running rdepends on a few packages (libgnomevfs rdeps on libreoffice wtf..) [15:22] doko: That's still a maybe, but for now, just mirroring some SRU backporting. [15:22] slangasek: yea im doing it manually [15:22] stokachu: ah, is it still ongoing? [15:22] doko: I need to look at what aurel's done for 2.16 in Debian. [15:22] slangasek: yea gnome-vfs takes foreverrrrr [15:22] stokachu: note that for this purpose we *only* need test rebuilds of the direct reverse-dependencies [15:22] so none of the level2 and above stuff identified in xnox's report... [15:22] * xnox hides [15:22] slangasek: im using a script stgraber sent me [15:22] ok [15:23] so stgraber does that script show only direct rdeps? [15:23] i would love to trim this testing down [15:23] infinity: 2.16 in Debian> you mentioned something about experimental staging... I guess any of that is still in the VCS? [15:23] yeah, it's only direct rdeps for all binary packages built by the source [15:23] ok cool [15:23] you may be able to trim it down a bit by limiting the list of binary packages to only these that you care about [15:23] slangasek: so yea libreoffice is part of the direct rdeps which takes forever [15:23] slangasek: Right, aurel committed some bits to Debian SVN, haven't had a chance to see how far he got. [15:24] stokachu, stgraber: we only care about the ones that build-depend on libgnomevfs2-dev [15:24] slangasek: is that for all packages i want to test? [15:24] seems to be a much shorter list [15:24] just -dev? [15:24] infinity: ETA on eglibc in -proposed? [15:24] stokachu: yeah [15:24] stgraber: "real soon". [15:25] slangasek: awesome ill do that then... will trim the testing down big time [15:25] infinity: before tomorrow 21:00 UTC? [15:25] stgraber: I'll try my best to hit that for you. [15:25] lastly, doing another month of +1 [15:25] (done) [15:25] stokachu: revised list: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1136312/ [15:25] slangasek: that is a much better list [15:26] stokachu: sorry, didn't realize you were wasting time on other kinds of revdeps :/ [15:27] slangasek: thats cool i was merely just taking the script and running the tests didn't really dig into it [15:27] i should have those rdeps tested today then [15:27] stokachu: anything else from you for the lightning round? [15:27] * xnox off to volleyball =) bye [15:27] * slangasek waves to xnox [15:27] slangasek: im done [15:28] xnox: enjoy [15:28] * ogra_ fires up the livestream ... to make sure xnox is on time at the game :) [15:28] done: [15:28] * QA sprint http://ograblog.wordpress.com/2012/08/06/the-bamboo-feeder-automating-continuous-arm-image-tests/ (lots of positive feedback) [15:28] * started on flash-kernel vs live-installer fixes [15:28] * work started on transitioning all of flash-kernel bootloader handling to use /etc/default/flash-kernel as a source for the bootloader cmdline [15:28] * lots of jetlag [15:28] todo: [15:28] * finish live-installer vs flash-kernel fixing [15:28] * finish /etc/default/flash-kernel work [15:28] * set up a bamboo feeder locally (i brought a bunch of pandas home) to move on with script development [15:28] * make flash-kernel upgrades work with the new bootloader handling [15:28] * clean up spec items that wont make FF, work on the ones that will [15:28] EOF [15:29] bamboo feeder> heh [15:29] :) [15:29] * SRU processing, focused on 12.04.1 preparation [15:29] * reviewing upstart bugfix branches - now landed in quantal! [15:29] * discussions around how to improve the crashdb client behavior for 12.04 [15:29] * investigating EFI netboot support [15:29] * managing secureboot insecurities [15:29] * upcoming: [15:30] * more helping with 12.04.1 [15:30] * doc appt. this afternoon [15:30] (done) [15:30] any questions? [15:31] #topic Ḃųǵṡ === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ḃųǵṡ [15:32] * xnox there is a bug with slangasek irc client, or so it appears to [15:32] http://pad.lv/977964 - if someone has time to provide feedback to my latest comment i'd appreciate it [15:32] Launchpad bug 977964 in libart-lgpl (Ubuntu Precise) "Please transition libart-lgpl to multi-arch" [Medium,In progress] [15:32] hmph, frail bot [15:32] #topic Bugs [15:32] right, whatever :) === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Bugs [15:32] bdmurray: what's defective? [15:33] slangasek: I don't have anything specific today [15:33] ok [15:33] stokachu: I think ScottK is saying (and I'm inclined to agree) that any changes to precise should be based on the package in precise, not based on the package in quantal - you need to extract the necessary changes rather than just backporting the quantal package [15:34] s/that/is that/ [15:34] cjwatson: ok [15:35] * slangasek has a peek at http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-q-tracking-bug-tasks.html [15:35] or should i target quantal and create a new precise bug [15:36] well, the changes need to go into quantal if they haven't already [15:36] but there's no need for a separate bug, since this one is already targeted to precise (and apparently fix-released in quantal ...) [15:36] ok ill fix the patch and re-submit for approval [15:36] thanks for the help [15:37] bearing in mind I don't know much about this package, this is just generalised sru advice [15:38] cjwatson: understood, i think this debdiff was originally done by another team member and i never did any proper inspection on it [15:38] hmm, bug #892370 continues to linger [15:38] Launchpad bug 892370 in OEM Priority Project quantal "The time zone for China should default to Beijing not Shanghai (when offline)" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/892370 [15:38] cjwatson: i believe its already in quantal [15:38] just need to specifics for precise and it'd be good to go [15:38] Good bug, that 892370! [15:40] cjwatson, stgraber, ev: any of you willing to take jmleddy's patch to tzdata and run with it? [15:40] -ENOTIME [15:42] maybe that bug is too much to digest in an IRC meeting :) [15:42] Even additions to tzdata should go upstream, IMO [15:43] should we ask jmleddy to do that, then? [15:43] Otherwise TZ is incompatible with other systems (e.g. chroots, ssh env forwarding, etc.) [15:43] * cjwatson tries to remember where the translations live [15:44] tzsetup maybe? [15:46] I'm honestly not sure at this point where that lives, and I'm not sure I can promise time to figure it out [15:46] Forwarding the tzdata patch upstream would be an easy way for jmleddy to move forward if he thinks that's correct [15:46] or convince china to just flip the names of the cities ? [15:47] Ah, Shanghai isn't translated in tzsetup because we force CN to Shanghai rather than offering all the possible choices there [15:47] ogra_: but then the etymology of Beijing would make no sense :) [15:47] So it'd have to be done in ubiquity if we were doing a translation hack [15:47] But Beijing is the capital [15:47] details :P [15:47] Which then wouldn't help the other affected applications, which IIRC there are some [15:48] smartboyhw: we weren't being serious [15:48] cjwatson: can you follow up to the bug (or on IRC) to ask jmleddy to get this upstreamed? [15:49] If you don't fix it, the Chinesee authorities won't allow Ubuntu to go into China. [15:49] slangasek: Done [15:49] smartboyhw: Please don't exaggerate [15:49] heh [15:49] cjwatson: thanks :) [15:50] #topic Blueprints [15:50] since we are at bugs ... === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Blueprints [15:50] ogra_: too late! [15:50] http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-quantal/canonical-foundations.html [15:50] burndown's looking a bit rough :P [15:50] i'll try to move along with bug 1028905 myself, but i fear i'll need some cjwatson help at some point [15:50] Launchpad bug 1028905 in cdrom-detect (Ubuntu Quantal) "cdrom-detect in quantal omap4 hangs trying to look for install media on an extended partition" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1028905 [15:51] http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-quantal/all-quantal-alpha-3.html shows some 80 WIs targeted to alpha-3 that didn't get in [15:52] I know 12.04.1 has pulled a lot of effort away from quantal development for this first part of the cycle, but please make it a focus for the next couple of weeks to get these back on track [15:52] and we'll discuss one-on-one if there are things that need cutting [15:53] questions/concerns? [15:54] oh... 80 WIs is across all teams, our outstanding count is < 10 ;) [15:54] I marked my one of those done earlier [15:54] cjwatson: groovy, thanks [15:55] #topic AOB === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: AOB [15:55] anything else? [15:56] I could use a snack. [15:56] Does that count? [15:56] * ogra_ hands infinity a snickers [15:56] only if it's a business snack [15:57] * cjwatson uploads the aptdaemon SRU candidate - can that still make it? [15:57] I think it should [15:57] cjwatson: yes [15:57] (should be in the queue in ~5 mins) [15:57] ~3 actually [15:58] \o/ [15:58] #endmeeting === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology [15:58] Meeting ended Wed Aug 8 15:58:16 2012 UTC. [15:58] Minutes (wiki): http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-08-08-15.04.moin.txt [15:58] Minutes (html): http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-08-08-15.04.html [15:58] thanks all [15:58] thanks slangasek [15:58] thanks! [15:58] o/ [15:58] thanks [16:11] skaet, which daily can we use for 12.04.1 smoke testing? === Zic is now known as Guest81042 === Quintasan_ is now known as Quintasan === james__ is now known as jmleddy