[00:15] <stgraber> f/win 39
[00:15] <stgraber> sorry
[12:01] <Pendulum> #startmeeting
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[12:01] <IdleOne> o/
[12:02] <Pendulum> Welcome to the 8 August 1200 Membership board meeting.
[12:02] <Pendulum> We will go through applicants in chronological order. When we call your name, please link us to your wiki and launchpad pages and give us a brief introduction.
[12:03] <Pendulum> #voters IdleOne head_victim Destine Pendulum
[12:03] <meetingology> Current voters: Destine IdleOne Pendulum head_victim
[12:03] <head_victim> Good evening all
[12:03] <Destine> Good evening
[12:04] <IdleOne> Good Morning here
[12:04] <Pendulum> Ravi325, are you here?
[12:04] <smartboyhw> I don't see him on the user list...
[12:05] <head_victim> Just gotta check in case they're aliasing.
[12:08] <smartboyhw> Sounds like he's not here...
[12:09] <Pendulum> Okay, it looks like Ravi325 isn't here. As he's the only applicant, I guess we can put this down as a very short meeting. Thank you to all the board members who showed up.
[12:09] <Pendulum> #endmeeting
[12:09] <meetingology> Meeting ended Wed Aug  8 12:09:45 2012 UTC.
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[12:11] <smartboyhw> ...
[12:11] <smartboyhw> That's quick.
[12:12] <IdleOne> happens sometimes
[12:13] <smartboyhw> Oh man, I will cmoe back in September or October or se.
[12:14] <smartboyhw> Next meeting: QA!
[13:46] <smartboyhw> Guys, QA meeting coming in 15 minutes!
[13:54] <smartboyhw> QA meeting coming 6 minutes.
[14:00] <phillw> #startmeeting Ubuntu QA Meeting
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[14:00]  * smartboyhw waves
[14:00] <phillw> hi, can those present please say o/
[14:00] <smartboyhw> o/
[14:00] <jdl> o/
[14:01] <phillw> should be a short meeting!
[14:01] <smartboyhw> OK!
[14:01] <jdl> just like last time
[14:01] <smartboyhw> The 1st August meeting
[14:01] <smartboyhw> is short.
[14:02] <jokerdino> this shouldn't be!
[14:02] <phillw> there are no previous actions outstanding
[14:02] <phillw> #topic Ubuntu update
[14:02] <smartboyhw> Ha!
[14:03] <phillw> is anyone in from Ubuntu to give an update?
[14:03] <smartboyhw> Hmm...Any +1 (12.10) team members here?
[14:03] <jokerdino> hi!
[14:03] <jokerdino> me is on quantal
[14:03] <jdl> nice
[14:04] <phillw> balloons: do you know of any breaking news?
[14:04] <smartboyhw> balloons: Give us an update
[14:04] <balloons> breaking news?
[14:04] <phillw> as far as I can see, things are going very well.
[14:05] <smartboyhw> We are just doing the ISO Testing Cadence.
[14:05] <phillw> A critical bug on upgrade has been squished
[14:05] <smartboyhw> YEAH!
[14:05] <jokerdino> when is the lo-menubar becoming default?
[14:06] <phillw> #topic other flavours
[14:06] <phillw> I'll start with Lubutu
[14:06] <smartboyhw> OK, thanks, phillw
[14:07] <phillw> As pretty much seems the case with Ubuntu, the silence on our mailing list can only mean that things are going well. I see no bugs being raised.
[14:07] <smartboyhw> Great week, then.
[14:07] <phillw> The devs have closed a couple of niggling bugs and the artwork is under test - no problems reported.
[14:08] <phillw> That's all from Lubuntu
[14:08] <smartboyhw> Thanks.
[14:08] <phillw> Any other flavours present to report in how they're getting on?
[14:08] <smartboyhw> Anyone from edubuntu, Xubuntu....etc?
[14:09] <smartboyhw> blank silence...:)
[14:09] <jdl> (crickets chirping)
[14:09] <jocarter> well, we usually only do our status updates at the release team meetings anyway :)
[14:10] <jocarter> (for edubuntu)
[14:10] <smartboyhw> YEAH!
[14:10] <jokerdino> i personally have no idea what's going in this meeting. so keeping quiet..
[14:10] <jocarter> not really sure if it's useful doing the flavour updates here because then they have to do it twice and on differenc cycles
[14:11] <balloons> phillw, can we discuss the idea?
[14:11] <phillw> jocarter: this is the meeting of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam
[14:11] <phillw> #topic Other Topics
[14:11] <jocarter> phillw: ah, ok :)
[14:11] <phillw> balloons: sure :)
[14:11] <smartboyhw> That's quick.
[14:12] <smartboyhw> I added two things to the agenda, where ARE they?
[14:12] <balloons> jocarter, phillw I can see jocarter's point
[14:12] <phillw> balloons: indeed, at this stage of testing, things are quiet.
[14:12] <smartboyhw> o/
[14:13] <balloons> perhaps we can alter the agenda to not specifically ask for updates from the flavors. We could handle that during the open 'other topics' portion if we wished
[14:13] <phillw> smartboyhw: feel free to speak :)
[14:13] <smartboyhw> Ack, where are the two agenda items I added?
[14:13] <phillw> balloons: sure.
[14:14] <jdl> i agree with ballons
[14:14] <phillw> smartboyhw: sorry, I had a cached copy of the aganda. I'll get to them next :)
[14:14] <smartboyhw> ...
[14:14] <smartboyhw> balloons, any updates on the testing cadences for today?
[14:15] <phillw> #topic blueprint updates
[14:16] <phillw> has anyone got anything to say on this topic?
[14:17] <balloons> o/
[14:17] <phillw> balloons: go ahead :)
[14:18] <balloons> Let me find the page that lists the details of the blueprints from last cycle
[14:18] <smartboyhw> Give me the link, balloons.
[14:19] <phillw> no worries, we are not up against the clock like at some meetings :)
[14:19] <balloons> In theory, we should be having a look at them as we go through the cycle. I just posted a mid-cycle review yesterday on the work items for the cycle
[14:20] <balloons> for instance, here's me: http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-quantal/u/nskaggs.html
[14:21] <balloons> but as a community we don't have a burndown chart per say.. I know some folks did get items on some of the blueprints
[14:21] <smartboyhw> Wow, dude, can I get one of these pages!
[14:24] <balloons> phillw, ..
[14:24] <smartboyhw> balloons: Receive my PM?
[14:24] <phillw> balloons: I'm just looking at the link
[14:26] <smartboyhw> Well, phillw, you'd better move on.
[14:26] <phillw> it's a little confusing to me :/ The amount of things TODO does not appear to go down as things 'DONE' are flagged?
[14:26] <smartboyhw> ..
[14:26] <balloons> phillw, I added to my TODO
[14:27] <phillw> balloons: ah, okay!
[14:27] <balloons> it should all burn down... mine isn't a good example persay, heh.. but it works
[14:27] <phillw> okay :)
[14:28] <phillw> #topic New Test Case
[14:28] <smartboyhw> My turn.
[14:28] <smartboyhw> Anyone here please read: http://sdrv.ms/ROS6Cz
[14:29] <smartboyhw> This is a very mere draft of a new UEFi testcase.
[14:29] <phillw> smartboyhw: I have to set some time with you when you are available to go through your new test case
[14:29] <smartboyhw> OK.
[14:29] <smartboyhw> I need someone to help writing it better.
[14:29] <smartboyhw> Anyone volunteer?
[14:29] <phillw> smartboyhw: we'll chat after the meeting and arrange some time when you are available.
[14:30] <smartboyhw> OK.
[14:30] <smartboyhw> ..
[14:30] <phillw> #action phillw to arrange time with smartboyhw to liase on new testcase.
[14:30] <meetingology> ACTION: phillw to arrange time with smartboyhw to liase on new testcase.
[14:30] <smartboyhw> ...
[14:31] <smartboyhw> ..
[14:31] <phillw> #topic Other Items
[14:31] <phillw> balloons: can I pop something else onto your TODO list?
[14:31] <smartboyhw> As it turns out, this meeting's long.
[14:32] <balloons> phillw, heh.. don't worry that stuff isn't all I work on
[14:32] <astraljava> o/
[14:32] <phillw> astraljava: yes?
[14:32] <skaet> balloons,   the burn down chart for community testing is at: http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-quantal/group/topic-quantal-quality-community-testing.html
[14:32] <astraljava> Just a heads-up, nothing big to report on Xubuntu (nor Studio), we're testing 12.04.1 images, no huge issues has come to my knowledge.
[14:33] <phillw> astraljava: thanks :)
[14:33] <astraljava> Same can be said on quantal.
[14:33] <smartboyhw> astraljava: You're late!
[14:33] <astraljava> ..
[14:33] <skaet> o/
[14:33] <game2> astraljava: does this have a new lowlatency kernel built?
[14:33] <smartboyhw> o/
[14:33] <phillw> thanks skaet
[14:33] <astraljava> game2: This refers to?
[14:33] <smartboyhw> o/
[14:34] <game2> there were no ll kernels built after precise was released
[14:34] <game2> refers to US 12.04.1
[14:34] <astraljava> game2: Ahh... precise. Yes, there seems to be some confusion about -lowlatency. I'll try to sort it out.
[14:34] <astraljava> ..
[14:34] <smartboyhw> o/
[14:35] <phillw> skaet: do you have something to add?
[14:35] <skaet> yup,   just a reminder of the upcoming milestones
[14:36] <skaet> 12.04.1 will be switching from being built from precise to -updates after this week,  so any testing to make sure there are no surprises would be very welcome around now.
[14:36] <skaet> 12.04.1 will be released on 8/23
[14:37] <skaet> 12.10 Beta 1 will be on 9/6
[14:37] <phillw> #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QuantalQuetzal/ReleaseSchedule
[14:38] <smartboyhw> 12.10 Beta 2 on 27/6
[14:38] <smartboyhw> Final release on 18/10
[14:38] <smartboyhw> Coming up: FeatureFreeze on 23/30.
[14:38] <smartboyhw> 23/8, sorry.
[14:38] <skaet> remaining features for quantal will be landing by 8/23 (feature freeze).
[14:38] <skaet> ..
[14:38] <smartboyhw> UserInterfaceFreeze and Beta 1 Freeze on 30/8.
[14:38] <phillw> thanks skaet
[14:39] <smartboyhw> o/
[14:39] <phillw> smartboyhw: I have posted the link to the meeting for anyone who does not have it as a favourite on their browser :)
[14:39] <smartboyhw> #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QuantalQuetzal/ReleaseSchedule
[14:39] <phillw> smartboyhw: go ahead
[14:39] <smartboyhw> OK.
[14:40] <smartboyhw> I have a question for balloons: Any updates on the participation for the ISO Testing Cadence?
[14:41] <balloons> smartboyhw, sure
[14:41] <balloons> We have had 10 people test now this week
[14:42] <balloons> something like ~30 results have been reported
[14:42] <balloons> I am working on trying to be able to show the status of cadence testing and to better explain it since there seems to be confusion
[14:43] <balloons> I can do that on the mailing list however, in reply to phillw
[14:43] <phillw> balloons: thanks
[14:43] <smartboyhw> thanks balloons
[14:43] <balloons> in short however, the goal is to test each mandatory testcase at least once during the week.. it differs from milestones in that we are not concerned about respins, etc
[14:43] <balloons> ..
[14:44] <smartboyhw> balloons: Every once a day is the goal
[14:44] <smartboyhw> The ultimate one.
[14:44] <smartboyhw> o/ We need people to test daily images EVERYDAY.
[14:45] <smartboyhw> ..
[14:45] <phillw> smartboyhw: that is a goal, but there are insufficient testers. Better that we use our scarce resources wisely :)
[14:46] <smartboyhw> Well, give me the task to find daily testers, is that OK?
[14:46] <smartboyhw> I sure I'm find somebody...:)
[14:47] <phillw> smartboyhw: for all flavours? It will be more than somebody! It would be several hundred each day. This is why the project of automatic testing is important.
[14:48] <smartboyhw> Only for Ubuntu.
[14:48] <phillw> but we can discuss that on the -testing channel :)
[14:48] <smartboyhw> I won't do the lubuntu and xubuntu part.
[14:49] <smartboyhw> ..
[14:49] <smartboyhw> Anyway.
[14:49] <smartboyhw> ..
[14:49] <phillw> balloons: has any progress been made so that the daily builds do not wipe out what has been tested on http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/219/builds
[14:50] <phillw> #action phillw amend agenda to remove weekly report of flavours.
[14:50] <meetingology> ACTION: phillw amend agenda to remove weekly report of flavours.
[14:51] <smartboyhw> !?!?!!?!!?
[14:51] <smartboyhw> o/
[14:51] <phillw> smartboyhw: yes?
[14:51] <smartboyhw> Why did you remove the weekly report of flavours?
[14:53] <smartboyhw> ..
[14:53] <phillw> smartboyhw: it was chatted about earlier in the meeting, it will fall under 'other topics' if people from the flavours are present.
[14:53] <balloons> phillw, you mean in the same way as during a milestone?
[14:53] <smartboyhw> OK, thanks. But you should put it in the Updates section.
[14:53] <balloons> this week, although it's harder for you to see the previous results, they are not lost or wiped
[14:54] <balloons> I am counting and attempting to track them.
[14:54] <phillw> balloons: yes. otherwise no one knows what has been tested :)
[14:54] <balloons> phillw, yes, I know.. that is definitely an issue.. But we don't have a good tech solution atm to the problem
[14:54] <phillw> the only way I can track is by turning on the history which makes for a very long list!
[14:54] <balloons> if we did a traditional milestone, we'd lose results on the new iso releases
[14:55] <balloons> let's chat after in #testing
[14:55] <phillw> okies
[14:55] <smartboyhw> Ok.
[14:55] <balloons> tldr, it's a problem, and I want to solve it.. longterm the tracker will get changes to do so. short-term, we need a soltion
[14:55] <smartboyhw> ..
[14:55] <balloons> ..
[14:56] <phillw> anyone else got anything to add for the meeting that cannot be carried over to #ubuntu-testing?
[14:56] <smartboyhw> No.
[14:56] <smartboyhw> ..
[14:56] <phillw> ah, balloons I'm just going to sneak in a quick action for you :)
[14:57] <smartboyhw> ...
[14:57] <phillw> #action balloons edit http://qa.ubuntu.com/ to reflect correct time of weekly meeting
[14:57] <meetingology> ACTION: balloons edit http://qa.ubuntu.com/ to reflect correct time of weekly meeting
[14:57] <phillw> #endmeeting
[14:57] <meetingology> Meeting ended Wed Aug  8 14:57:40 2012 UTC.
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[14:57] <smartboyhw> phillw: I don't understand the last part
[14:57] <game2> astraljava: thanks
[14:57] <phillw> hmmm....
[14:58] <smartboyhw> The weekly meeting has a correct time...
[14:59] <skaet> thanks for hosting phillw
[15:00] <smartboyhw> Thanks phillw
[15:00] <smartboyhw> Next week chair will be me AGAIN!
[15:01] <phillw> np. I'll get the wiki updated shortly.
[15:04]  * slangasek waves
[15:04]  * stgraber waves
[15:04] <jodh> o/
[15:04] <doko> hi
[15:04] <slangasek> #startmeeting
[15:04]  * ogra_ yawns 
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[15:04] <slangasek> #topic lightning round
[15:04] <smartboyhw> Wow, what's this meeting?
[15:05] <ogra_> (still fighting the last remains of jetlag)
[15:05] <slangasek> smartboyhw: Ubuntu Foundations meeting, same one that it was last week. :)
[15:05] <ogra_> smartboyhw, fridge.ubuntu.com has the calendar
[15:05] <slangasek> $ echo $(shuf -e barry doko stgraber jodh ev bdmurray slangasek ogra infinity cjwatson xnox stokachu)
[15:06] <slangasek> stgraber ev cjwatson jodh barry bdmurray doko xnox infinity stokachu ogra slangasek
[15:06] <slangasek> whoo I win
[15:06] <ogra_> heh
[15:06] <stgraber> nope, I do :)
[15:06]  * ogra_ has silver :)
[15:06] <stgraber> for some value of win ;)
[15:06] <doko> at least the monologue near the beginning ...
[15:06] <slangasek> haha
[15:07] <stgraber> - 12.04.1
[15:07] <stgraber>  - 12.04.1 team meeting and minutes
[15:07] <stgraber>  - Went through all the targeted/milestoned bugs for 12.04.1, updated status based on comments and queue status.
[15:07] <stgraber>  - Verified a bunch of SRUs.
[15:07] <stgraber>  - Followed wiki page on for release - 1 month and release - 3 weeks, uploading base-files.
[15:07] <stgraber>  - Worked on getting the images to fit on a 703MB media again, still need to fix i386.
[15:07] <stgraber>  - Fixed fglrx/fglrx-updates purge bug and uploaded by tseliot.
[15:07] <stgraber>  - Now digging into bug 1029531
[15:07] <stgraber> - Other
[15:07] <stgraber>  - Some ARB app review, the app showdown made the ARB New queue reach 140 packages... Still 50 to review...
[15:07] <stgraber> - TODO this week
[15:07] <stgraber>  - Continue the work on 12.04.1.
[15:07] <stgraber> (DONE)
[15:08] <ev> - Short week; holiday until Monday.
[15:08] <ev> - Got caught up on email.
[15:08] <ev> - Got involved in Seb's thread on ubuntu-release about removing the error
[15:08] <ev>   tracker from Ubuntu 12.04.1.
[15:08] <ev> - Started implementing Matthew's design for the multiple errors dialog:
[15:08] <ev>   https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ErrorTracker#When_there_are_multiple_simultaneous_errors
[15:08] <ev>   I've taught apport to export a small dbus service to ensure only one
[15:08] <ev>   instance of apport runs *until* the user presses the report button and the
[15:08] <ev>   application window disappears, chugging away adding the gdb information to
[15:08] <ev>   the report. GtkApplication didn't seem to make room for this concept of
[15:08] <ev>   releasing the singleton, but if anyone thinks DBus is too heavy/racy for
[15:08] <ev>   this and can come up with a better approach, I'm all ears.
[15:08] <ev> - Wrote a tool to calculate the 90 day moving count of unique users. Modified
[15:08] <ev>   it to allow Ubuntu release specificity. This requires having a mapping of
[15:08] <ev>   crash ID back to the system which reported it. As we only have data in the
[15:08] <ev>   opposite direction, I've had to write a tool to create the needed mapping.
[15:08] <ev>   This has been running in the background for a few hours. Once that's done, I
[15:08] <ev>   should be able to reply to Steve's request for the day's crashes / 90 day
[15:08] <ev>   unique user count calculation.
[15:08] <ev> - Helped webops land the new errors.ubuntu.com \o/. There was some fallout
[15:08] <ev>   from me running a newer version of Django for development than what we have
[15:08] <ev>   in production, but we have a deployment in progress to fix that.
[15:08] <ev> (done)
[15:09] <cjwatson> Working on a Python rewrite of cdimage, with unit tests.  Once I have it approved for release, it's reasonably far along: e.g. I have publish-daily rewritten.
[15:09] <cjwatson> Deployed ubuntu-archive-tools client code to automatically approve copies, saving extra error-prone manual approval steps.
[15:09] <cjwatson> Finished shifting security->updates auto-copies away from lp_archive@cocoplum and into ubuntu-archive@lillypilly (over the API).  We no longer have any cron jobs running as lp_archive.
[15:10] <cjwatson> Trying to comprehend new image build options in xorriso 1.2.4 - got advice from upstream which I've yet to digest.
[15:10] <cjwatson> Worked on showing LP UI audit trail for copies (bug 1032857).
[15:10] <cjwatson> Home internet still busted.  I'm on a mobile hotspot. :-/
[15:10] <cjwatson> done
[15:10] <cjwatson> Belatedly working on aptdaemon bug 926340.  Almost done - just took a while to remind myself of how to reproduce it reliably.
[15:10] <jodh> * boot/upstart:
[15:10] <jodh>   - slanagasek and I worked on a number of branches for the best fix for
[15:10] <jodh>     bug 980917.
[15:10] <jodh>   - lots of testing for final branch for bug 980917 (including LXC).
[15:10] <jodh>   - my first archive upload for Upstart (for bug 980917).
[15:10] <jodh>   - working on SRU-ifying bug 980917 and associated precise-proposed upload.
[15:10] <jodh>   - stateful re-exec: ConfSource/ConfFiles/inotify watches handling.
[15:10] <jodh>     Discussion with cjwatson. Work still ongoing.
[15:10] <ev> cdimage unit tests> wow, that will be awesome
[15:10] <jodh>   - discussions with diwic and TheMuso re updated libjson0 package.
[15:10] <jodh>   - raised debian bug 684058 on getting libjson0 version 0.10 added to
[15:10] <jodh>     Debian (and started looking at how to package that).
[15:10] <jodh> 𝀘
[15:10] <jodh>  
[15:10] <cjwatson> ev: nusakan:~cjwatson/python/ if you want a previous
[15:11] <cjwatson> er, a preview
[15:11] <ev> will have a look, thanks!
[15:11] <ev> oh man, I totes should've used an emoji character to end my report
[15:13] <ogra_> no barry ?
[15:13] <stokachu> try xbarry :P
[15:13] <slangasek> jodh: first archive upload> ah, congrats :)
[15:13] <jodh> slangasek: thanks very much!
[15:14] <slangasek> barry's on vac
[15:14] <slangasek> bdrung:
[15:14] <slangasek> sorry
[15:14] <slangasek> bdmurray:
[15:14] <bdmurray> vacation (two days)
[15:14] <bdmurray> test case creation for bug 818760 regarding update-manager
[15:14] <bdmurray> investigation into pkg origins being Ubuntu and reported apport bug 1031978
[15:14] <bdmurray> testing of bug 1017001
[15:14] <bdmurray> fixed xulid of firefox-lp-improvements as it was identified as malware
[15:14] <bdmurray> resolved an issue with arsenal not loading launchpad_config information from json files
[15:14] <bdmurray> reported daisy bug 1032398
[15:14] <bdmurray> reported bug 1032822 regarding json formatting at errors.ubuntu.com
[15:14] <bdmurray> investigation into oops reports without a DistroRelease
[15:14] <bdmurray> investigation into dist-upgrader-all and precise not being up to date
[15:14] <bdmurray> wrote code to get errors about a package from errors.ubuntu.com and present bug data about them
[15:15] <slangasek> malware?
[15:15] <bdmurray> ⌁ done ⌁
[15:15] <bdmurray> the extension was using the xulid of firefox and so was a piece of malware
[15:15] <slangasek> heh
[15:15] <cjwatson> which had it first?
[15:16] <bdmurray> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=779014
[15:16] <ev> bdmurray: massive thanks for the errors.ubuntu.com stuff!
[15:17] <bdmurray> the firefox-lp-improvements extension should have had a unique id I just didn't realize that...
[15:18]  * slangasek nods
[15:18] <slangasek> doko:
[15:18] <doko> - the 'I hate multiarch' week
[15:18] <doko> - got feedback for the gcc-multiarch patch from a fourth reviewer after pinging, having two valid
[15:18] <doko>  points, and contrary points to the other reviewers. fun ...
[15:18] <doko> - looked at the upstream python3.3 build issue, which didn't have to do anything with the cross p
[15:18] <doko> atches, but with an incomplete multiarch patch.
[15:18] <doko> - binutils updates
[15:18] <doko> - openjdk updates still pending
[15:18] <doko> (done)
[15:19] <slangasek> doko: put the reviewers in a room together, and whichever ones survive, implement their recommendation? :)
[15:19] <doko> I would like to ...
[15:20] <slangasek> xnox: still here?
[15:20] <xnox> Bits I did today:
[15:20] <xnox> * did an upload of ubiquity and partman-crypto to land automatic
[15:20] <xnox>   recipe for full-disk encrypted installation.
[15:20] <xnox> * confirmed removal from quantal of:
[15:20] <xnox>   - ichtux (meta-packages / derivative)
[15:20] <xnox>   - boost1.46
[15:20] <xnox> (done)
[15:20] <infinity> Apparently yes.
[15:21] <stokachu> xnox: hows that rdepends test suit coming
[15:21] <ogra_> quite a lot for a vacation day
[15:21] <infinity> - worked on SRU and AA tasks
[15:21] <infinity> - worked with lamont on new Panda buildds some more
[15:21] <infinity> - helped look into CD size issues for 12.04.1
[15:21] <infinity> - did a couple of merges, and a bit of +1 fixing
[15:21] <infinity> - worked on eglibc updates for both quantal and precise
[15:21] <infinity> - possibly other stuff I've forgotten in my old age
[15:21] <infinity> [...]
[15:21] <doko> 2.16 for q?
[15:21] <slangasek> stokachu: are you blocked on that?  I thought we managed to manual rebuilds of the revdeps for our multiarch libs?
[15:21] <stokachu> Customer cases took priority this week, still running rdepends on a few packages (libgnomevfs rdeps on libreoffice wtf..)
[15:22] <infinity> doko: That's still a maybe, but for now, just mirroring some SRU backporting.
[15:22] <stokachu> slangasek: yea im doing it manually
[15:22] <slangasek> stokachu: ah, is it still ongoing?
[15:22] <infinity> doko: I need to look at what aurel's done for 2.16 in Debian.
[15:22] <stokachu> slangasek: yea gnome-vfs takes foreverrrrr
[15:22] <slangasek> stokachu: note that for this purpose we *only* need test rebuilds of the direct reverse-dependencies
[15:22] <slangasek> so none of the level2 and above stuff identified in xnox's report...
[15:22]  * xnox hides
[15:22] <stokachu> slangasek: im using a script stgraber sent me
[15:22] <slangasek> ok
[15:23] <stokachu> so stgraber does that script show only direct rdeps?
[15:23] <stokachu> i would love to trim this testing down
[15:23] <slangasek> infinity: 2.16 in Debian> you mentioned something about experimental staging... I guess any of that is still in the VCS?
[15:23] <stgraber> yeah, it's only direct rdeps for all binary packages built by the source
[15:23] <stokachu> ok cool
[15:23] <stgraber> you may be able to trim it down a bit by limiting the list of binary packages to only these that you care about
[15:23] <stokachu> slangasek: so yea libreoffice is part of the direct rdeps which takes forever
[15:23] <infinity> slangasek: Right, aurel committed some bits to Debian SVN, haven't had a chance to see how far he got.
[15:24] <slangasek> stokachu, stgraber: we only care about the ones that build-depend on libgnomevfs2-dev
[15:24] <stokachu> slangasek: is that for all packages i want to test?
[15:24] <slangasek> seems to be a much shorter list
[15:24] <stokachu> just -dev?
[15:24] <stgraber> infinity: ETA on eglibc in -proposed?
[15:24] <slangasek> stokachu: yeah
[15:24] <infinity> stgraber: "real soon".
[15:25] <stokachu> slangasek: awesome ill do that then... will trim the testing down big time
[15:25] <stgraber> infinity: before tomorrow 21:00 UTC?
[15:25] <infinity> stgraber: I'll try my best to hit that for you.
[15:25] <stokachu> lastly, doing another month of +1
[15:25] <stokachu> (done)
[15:25] <slangasek> stokachu: revised list: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1136312/
[15:25] <stokachu> slangasek: that is a much better list
[15:26] <slangasek> stokachu: sorry, didn't realize you were wasting time on other kinds of revdeps :/
[15:27] <stokachu> slangasek: thats cool i was merely just taking the script and running the tests didn't really dig into it
[15:27] <stokachu> i should have those rdeps tested today then
[15:27] <slangasek> stokachu: anything else from you for the lightning round?
[15:27]  * xnox off to volleyball =) bye
[15:27]  * slangasek waves to xnox 
[15:27] <stokachu> slangasek: im done
[15:28] <ev> xnox: enjoy
[15:28]  * ogra_ fires up the livestream ... to make sure xnox is on time at the game :)
[15:28] <ogra_> done:
[15:28] <ogra_> * QA sprint http://ograblog.wordpress.com/2012/08/06/the-bamboo-feeder-automating-continuous-arm-image-tests/ (lots of positive feedback)
[15:28] <ogra_> * started on flash-kernel vs live-installer fixes
[15:28] <ogra_> * work started on transitioning all of flash-kernel bootloader handling to use /etc/default/flash-kernel as a source for the bootloader cmdline
[15:28] <ogra_> * lots of jetlag
[15:28] <ogra_> todo:
[15:28] <ogra_> * finish live-installer vs flash-kernel fixing
[15:28] <ogra_> * finish /etc/default/flash-kernel work
[15:28] <ogra_> * set up a bamboo feeder locally (i brought a bunch of pandas home) to move on with script development
[15:28] <ogra_> * make flash-kernel upgrades work with the new bootloader handling
[15:28] <ogra_> * clean up spec items that wont make FF, work on the ones that will
[15:28] <ogra_> EOF
[15:29] <slangasek> bamboo feeder> heh
[15:29] <ogra_> :)
[15:29] <slangasek>  * SRU processing, focused on 12.04.1 preparation
[15:29] <slangasek>  * reviewing upstart bugfix branches - now landed in quantal!
[15:29] <slangasek>  * discussions around how to improve the crashdb client behavior for 12.04
[15:29] <slangasek>  * investigating EFI netboot support
[15:29] <slangasek>  * managing secureboot insecurities
[15:29] <slangasek>  * upcoming:
[15:30] <slangasek>   * more helping with 12.04.1
[15:30] <slangasek>   * doc appt. this afternoon
[15:30] <slangasek> (done)
[15:30] <slangasek> any questions?
[15:31] <slangasek> #topic Ḃųǵṡ
[15:32]  * xnox there is a bug with slangasek irc client, or so it appears to
[15:32] <stokachu> http://pad.lv/977964 - if someone has time to provide feedback to my latest comment i'd appreciate it
[15:32] <slangasek> hmph, frail bot
[15:32] <slangasek> #topic Bugs
[15:32] <slangasek> right, whatever :)
[15:32] <slangasek> bdmurray: what's defective?
[15:33] <bdmurray> slangasek: I don't have anything specific today
[15:33] <slangasek> ok
[15:33] <cjwatson> stokachu: I think ScottK is saying (and I'm inclined to agree) that any changes to precise should be based on the package in precise, not based on the package in quantal - you need to extract the necessary changes rather than just backporting the quantal package
[15:34] <cjwatson> s/that/is that/
[15:34] <stokachu> cjwatson: ok
[15:35]  * slangasek has a peek at http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-q-tracking-bug-tasks.html
[15:35] <stokachu> or should i target quantal and create a new precise bug
[15:36] <cjwatson> well, the changes need to go into quantal if they haven't already
[15:36] <cjwatson> but there's no need for a separate bug, since this one is already targeted to precise (and apparently fix-released in quantal ...)
[15:36] <stokachu> ok ill fix the patch and re-submit for approval
[15:36] <stokachu> thanks for the help
[15:37] <cjwatson> bearing in mind I don't know much about this package, this is just generalised sru advice
[15:38] <stokachu> cjwatson: understood, i think this debdiff was originally done by another team member and i never did any proper inspection on it
[15:38] <slangasek> hmm, bug #892370 continues to linger
[15:38] <stokachu> cjwatson: i believe its already in quantal
[15:38] <stokachu> just need to specifics for precise and it'd be good to go
[15:38] <smartboyhw> Good bug, that 892370!
[15:40] <slangasek> cjwatson, stgraber, ev: any of you willing to take jmleddy's patch to tzdata and run with it?
[15:40] <ev> -ENOTIME
[15:42] <slangasek> maybe that bug is too much to digest in an IRC meeting :)
[15:42] <cjwatson> Even additions to tzdata should go upstream, IMO
[15:43] <slangasek> should we ask jmleddy to do that, then?
[15:43] <cjwatson> Otherwise TZ is incompatible with other systems (e.g. chroots, ssh env forwarding, etc.)
[15:43]  * cjwatson tries to remember where the translations live
[15:44] <cjwatson> tzsetup maybe?
[15:46] <cjwatson> I'm honestly not sure at this point where that lives, and I'm not sure I can promise time to figure it out
[15:46] <cjwatson> Forwarding the tzdata patch upstream would be an easy way for jmleddy to move forward if he thinks that's correct
[15:46] <ogra_> or convince china to just flip the names of the cities ?
[15:47] <cjwatson> Ah, Shanghai isn't translated in tzsetup because we force CN to Shanghai rather than offering all the possible choices there
[15:47] <slangasek> ogra_: but then the etymology of Beijing would make no sense :)
[15:47] <cjwatson> So it'd have to be done in ubiquity if we were doing a translation hack
[15:47] <smartboyhw> But Beijing is the capital
[15:47] <ogra_> details :P
[15:47] <cjwatson> Which then wouldn't help the other affected applications, which IIRC there are some
[15:48] <cjwatson> smartboyhw: we weren't being serious
[15:48] <slangasek> cjwatson: can you follow up to the bug (or on IRC) to ask jmleddy to get this upstreamed?
[15:49] <smartboyhw> If you don't fix it, the Chinesee authorities won't allow Ubuntu to go into China.
[15:49] <cjwatson> slangasek: Done
[15:49] <cjwatson> smartboyhw: Please don't exaggerate
[15:49] <slangasek> heh
[15:49] <slangasek> cjwatson: thanks :)
[15:50] <slangasek> #topic Blueprints
[15:50] <ogra_> since we are at bugs ...
[15:50] <slangasek> ogra_: too late!
[15:50] <slangasek> http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-quantal/canonical-foundations.html
[15:50] <slangasek> burndown's looking a bit rough :P
[15:50] <ogra_> i'll try to move along with bug 1028905 myself, but i fear i'll need some cjwatson help at some point
[15:51] <slangasek> http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-quantal/all-quantal-alpha-3.html shows some 80 WIs targeted to alpha-3 that didn't get in
[15:52] <slangasek> I know 12.04.1 has pulled a lot of effort away from quantal development for this first part of the cycle, but please make it a focus for the next couple of weeks to get these back on track
[15:52] <slangasek> and we'll discuss one-on-one if there are things that need cutting
[15:53] <slangasek> questions/concerns?
[15:54] <slangasek> oh... 80 WIs is across all teams, our outstanding count is < 10 ;)
[15:54] <cjwatson> I marked my one of those done earlier
[15:54] <slangasek> cjwatson: groovy, thanks
[15:55] <slangasek> #topic AOB
[15:55] <slangasek> anything else?
[15:56] <infinity> I could use a snack.
[15:56] <infinity> Does that count?
[15:56]  * ogra_ hands infinity a snickers
[15:56] <slangasek> only if it's a business snack
[15:57]  * cjwatson uploads the aptdaemon SRU candidate - can that still make it?
[15:57] <slangasek> I think it should
[15:57] <stgraber> cjwatson: yes
[15:57] <cjwatson> (should be in the queue in ~5 mins)
[15:57] <cjwatson> ~3 actually
[15:58] <slangasek> \o/
[15:58] <slangasek> #endmeeting
[15:58] <meetingology> Meeting ended Wed Aug  8 15:58:16 2012 UTC.
[15:58] <meetingology> Minutes (wiki):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-08-08-15.04.moin.txt
[15:58] <meetingology> Minutes (html):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-08-08-15.04.html
[15:58] <slangasek> thanks all
[15:58] <ogra_> thanks slangasek
[15:58] <jodh> thanks!
[15:58] <infinity> o/
[15:58] <ev> thanks
[16:11] <brendand> skaet, which daily can we use for 12.04.1 smoke testing?