[06:50] <trijntje> Hi all, I do testing on a real system, not a virtual one. How should I submit a hardware profile?
[08:08] <astraljava> trijntje: Here is a guide on Xubuntu, but it makes no difference what the flavor is, if any (meaning vanilla). https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Testing/HardwareProfile
[08:12] <trijntje> astraljava: thanks! Is it possible to use that tool to just create a hardware profile,without running any of the tests?
[10:09] <astraljava> trijntje: I believe so, I haven't used it myself, yet.
[10:26] <trijntje> ah well, one way to find out ;)
[11:25] <smartboyhw> HI!
[11:26] <sagaci> ~4.5 til the meeting
[11:26] <smartboyhw> Yep, I'll be there.
[11:26] <smartboyhw> It's 1400 GMT.
[11:26] <sagaci> sorry, 2.5 hours
[11:37] <smartboyhw> sagaci: phillw will be chair, you know that?
[11:54] <sagaci> yup
[11:54] <sagaci> it's scheduled for midnight my time
[11:55] <smartboyhw> Oh, that's bad.
[12:44] <letozaf_> Hello my name is Carla I would like to know if it's possible to use testdrive to test quantal ISOs as I see only precise ones configured, I tried to add quantal's one in the "other" tab, but it just seem not work
[12:46] <letozaf_> sorry got disconnect, now I'm back
[13:03] <smartboyhw> Yes, letozaf_
[13:22] <letozaf_> Hello my name is Carla I would like to know if it's possible to use testdrive to test Quantal ISOs as I see only Precise ones configured, I tried to add Quantal's one in the "other" tab, but it just seem not work
[13:29] <jpds> letozaf_: Someone replied: < smartboyhw> Yes, letozaf_
[13:33] <smartboyhw> Wait, I'm busying uploading Win 8 LPs.
[13:34] <sagaci> letozaf_, the testdrive-gtk pulls quantal isos by default
[13:37] <smartboyhw> Yeah, it should be using Quantal ISOs...
[13:44] <letozaf__> but on testdrive I get (precise) written in the description instead on quantal
[13:45] <letozaf__> do you mean that the ISOs are quantal's all the same ?
[13:49] <astraljava> letozaf__: Please hold for a moment, I'll check in a minute.
[13:49] <letozaf__> thank you
[13:52] <balloons> letozaf__, I believe testdrive let's you select which distro in preferences
[13:52] <astraljava> letozaf__: In the Preferences, make sure you have selected the quantal in the combobox under Ubuntu Releases, this can be found on the General tab.
[13:52] <balloons> make sure you've selected quantal
[13:52] <letozaf__> ok thank you
[13:52] <letozaf__> I'll check
[13:53] <smartboyhw> balloons, Hi!
[13:53] <letozaf__> yes you're right thanks again :)
[13:53] <smartboyhw> I did the ISO Testing Cadence.
[13:53]  * balloons waves
[13:53] <balloons> smartboyhw, awesome
[13:54] <smartboyhw> Let's see what will happen in today's meeting.
[13:54] <smartboyhw> Starting in 6 minutes.
[13:54] <balloons> I guess it's a little confusing.. I know the tracker isn't setup nicely to show what we're trying to do sadly
[13:55] <smartboyhw> Just finished uploading 38 Windows 8 RTM LPs to MDL forums guys. Really tired.
[13:55] <balloons> smartboyhw, interesting
[13:56] <smartboyhw> Those guys all thank me for that.
[13:56] <cr3> me4oslav: you might be interested to know that your changes to checkbox are now in quantal!
[13:57] <smartboyhw> congrats, me4oslav
[13:58] <me4oslav> cr3 smartboyhw which changes? :) The home screen MR or the entire UI design change? ::)
[13:58] <smartboyhw> Ask cr4
[13:58] <smartboyhw> cr3, sorry
[13:58] <smartboyhw> Is phillw here!? He is the chair!
[13:59] <me4oslav> well, I did mentioned cr3 too :D
[13:59] <phillw> smartboyhw: he is and has just logged on to -meeting :D
[13:59] <balloons> phillw reporting in
[14:00] <balloons> lol
[14:00] <smartboyhw> YEAH!
[14:00] <smartboyhw> Meeting started!
[14:12] <cr3> me4oslav: can you point me to your entire UI design change MR?
[14:13] <me4oslav> cr3, there isn't a MR -_- There is just a pretty sketched design :D https://picasaweb.google.com/100530892038948253747/CheckboxQT
[14:14] <cr3> me4oslav: without a MR, you can be sure those changes aren't in quantal :)
[14:15] <me4oslav> cr3, the things is the design I created is something I can't code :D I have to talk with the folks that are working on the main UI to get it implemented :)
[14:16] <cr3> me4oslav: you might be happy to know that someone is already working on unifying the scrollboxes with the list of tests and statuses
[14:17] <cr3> me4oslav: actually, it's done already. please pull the latest changes from trunk and run ./bin/checkbox-qt
[14:18] <smartboyhw> !support | cr3
[14:18] <ubot5`> cr3: The official ubuntu support channel is #ubuntu. Also see http://ubuntu.com/support and http://ubuntuforums.org and http://askubuntu.com
[14:18] <smartboyhw> !support | me4oslav
[14:18] <ubot5`> me4oslav: The official ubuntu support channel is #ubuntu. Also see http://ubuntu.com/support and http://ubuntuforums.org and http://askubuntu.com
[14:18] <smartboyhw> This channel is for testing issues, dude!
[14:19] <stgraber> smartboyhw: and development discussions on checkbox (a testing tool) are perfectly appropriate
[14:19] <cr3> smartboyhw: checkbox is also for testing :)
[14:20] <cr3> smartboyhw: in theory, checkbox could have its own channel but, in practice, there's not a lot of traffic about checkbox nor testing issues so it seems reasonable to share the same channel
[14:20] <smartboyhw> Hmm, guys, stay focused at the meeting in #ubuntu-meeting.
[14:46] <brendand> me4oslav, do you have checkbox 0.14.3 installed? if not what version do you have?
[14:46] <me4oslav> brendand - the latest trunk
[14:48] <brendand> me4oslav, try apt-get install checkbox-qt and see if it offers a version
[14:48] <brendand> new version
[14:48] <me4oslav> brendand, I'm on P ... will that do the trick?
[14:49] <cr3> brendand: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:checkbox-dev; sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get install checkbox checkbox-qt
[14:49] <cr3> me4oslav: ^^^ that'll do the trick :)
[14:49] <cr3> the checkbox-dev ppa contains the latest crack of the day
[14:49] <me4oslav> cr3, MY HERO :D
[14:49] <sagaci> Ive been testing the regular desktop 32/64bit images and I can commit to doing that every few days especially around this part of the cycle just to make sure there nothing majorly wrong
[14:50] <cr3> balloons: ^^^ any particular tests you think sagaci should be running?
[14:51] <balloons> hey cr3 !
[14:51] <balloons> sagaci, yes you can test things that have been setup as a 'call for testing' on the package tracker
[14:52] <balloons> I assume you have used the isotracker in the past to report results on your iso testing ?http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/
[14:53] <sagaci> righteo I'll check it out tomorrow. Painful typing on Android teamviewer.
[14:54] <njin> ballons: hallo, how can I see my testecase preview for bind9 http://packages.qa.dev.stgraber.org/admin/config/services/qatracker/testcases
[14:55] <brendand> me4oslav, are you able to run checkbox?
[14:56] <smartboyhw> balloons: Can I co-ordinate the daily ISO testing?
[14:56] <balloons> sagaci, ok, well the package tracker is http://packages.qa.ubuntu.com/.
[14:56] <me4oslav> brendand, behold: http://i.imgur.com/wHDYN.png
[14:57] <balloons> sagaci, Email me https://launchpad.net/~nskaggs and I can share much more info and get you started, since your on your phone :-)
[14:57] <smartboyhw> balloons: Read my question?
[14:57] <sagaci> thanks, I'll have a read through it
[14:58] <brendand> me4oslav, you mean it's hanging like that?
[14:58] <me4oslav> brendand ... yup ;s And I can start it from trunk
[14:59] <phillw> smartboyhw: http://qa.ubuntu.com/ does not have the correct time, and it needs a Canonical person to edit it.
[14:59] <smartboyhw> Oh!
[15:00] <brendand> cr3, can we reproduce what me4oslav is seeing?
[15:00] <phillw> I'm a wiki editor, but I don't have access to that area of the wikis :)
[15:00] <me4oslav> brendand cr3 - probably not ... checkbox loathes me :D
[15:01] <balloons> njin, hey :-) yes, looking at it now
[15:01] <smartboyhw> Oh, that one. Thanks, phillw
[15:01] <brendand> me4oslav, can you make sure trunk is fully up to date (bzr pull)
[15:02] <me4oslav> brendand, well I did "bzr branch lp:checkbox" like 10 mins ago, so :)
[15:04] <brendand> me4oslav, let's try running from trunk
[15:04] <me4oslav> brendand, it fired up without any issues :) Now what? :P
[15:05] <cr3> brendand: better to look at the logs than try to reproduce
[15:05] <cr3> me4oslav: you upgraded both checkbox and checkbox-qt, right?
[15:07] <me4oslav> cr3 - yes, but who cares if it doesn't run _for me_ if it is installed? It works from trunk :D
[15:08] <cr3> me4oslav: if it doesn't work for you, maybe it doesn't work for others. it would be nice to know for sure
[15:09] <cr3> me4oslav: I would really appreciate if you could take a moment to report a bug and attach the logs from ~/.cache/checkbox
[15:10] <me4oslav> cr3 Hardly the case, a few weeks ago I did some terrible things w/ it (ran commands I shouldn't have ran) and since then it works only from tunk -_-
[15:10] <cr3> me4oslav: in that case, you might like to rm -fr ~/.cache/checkbox and try again
[15:11] <cr3> me4oslav: if that doesn't work, try to apt-get purge all checkbox related packages and try installing again
[15:13] <me4oslav> cr3, removing that did didn't do a thing. I will remove and try again ... but like I said I have screwed it in major way
[15:14] <cr3> me4oslav: make sure to purge, that should remove all traces of things you might've done :)
[15:30] <balloons> njin, I think I want to see it on the website
[15:30] <balloons> you can remove the template stuff at the bottom
[15:34] <cr3> balloons: the qa dashboard link on this page returns status code 404: http://qa.ubuntu.com/report-list/
[15:34] <balloons> njin, on the testcase side, looks good, just needs the 'expected results' added to the steps
[15:35] <smartboyhw> 404!!?!!?!
[15:35] <njin> ballons, yes, but I cannot figure out haw to see the preview for it
[15:36] <balloons> cr3, ahh.. good catch
[15:36] <balloons> that's moved as you can tell
[15:36] <balloons> njin, I'm not sure what accessyou have in the tool
[15:36] <cr3> balloons: indeed, just thought you'd be the right person to update the website accordingly
[15:36] <balloons> njin, I put it here: http://packages.qa.dev.stgraber.org/qatracker/milestones/223/builds/16266/testcases/1311/results
[15:37] <smartboyhw> balloons: Who's android-lee? I looked at the Top testers (current milestones) lists, and he's the first on it!
[15:38] <balloons> njin, in order to do that I added it to a product and created the build
[15:38] <balloons> I wonder if you are able to do this or not.. not sure how much access your permissions give you
[15:39] <balloons> smartboyhw, android-lee is a tester
[15:39] <balloons> just like you
[15:39] <smartboyhw> Wow, he's real active.
[15:40] <njin> smartboyhw, he's a great fun of bruce -lee
[15:41] <smartboyhw> ...
[15:44] <njin> ballons, what do you think to run  server in VM and take some screenshot of the default install + the expected results for the verifies ?
[15:47] <njin> ballons, bwetter not
[15:48] <balloons> screenshots?
[15:49] <balloons> njin, yes we discussed the idea of screenshots in the past
[15:49] <balloons> we've stuck with text for the most part
[15:51] <njin> balloons, yes it can be good for the server, but for the desktop I think it needs a continuous upgrade work
[15:57] <balloons> njin, so if you can make sure the testcase follows the format of do A, expect B it should be all set
[15:58] <balloons> njin, notice it uses html tags.
[18:22] <njin> ballons, I've noted just now, writing the testcase that we have to choose two times the language... LOL
[18:24] <njin> balloons:^^
[18:25] <njin> I've to open another bug report
[18:25] <balloons> two times the language?
[18:25] <njin> yes, the firat at the start of the splash screen and the second at the language selection
[18:26] <njin> firat/first
[18:26] <njin> I'm wrong ?
[18:27] <balloons> ohh
[18:27] <balloons> I understnad, I thinki
[18:27] <balloons> hmm.. which iso did this appen on?
[18:27]  * balloons is still getting today's iso's
[18:27] <njin> today server 8debian installer
[18:28] <njin> today's build of server
[18:28] <njin> but in general all debian installer
[18:29] <balloons> ahh
[18:29] <balloons> so the alternate images?
[18:30] <njin> yes
[18:30] <njin> debian too
[18:30] <njin> ( not secure about debian)
[18:35] <njin> balloons, seems to me that chrisccoulson is working on it, so I open a report. I've run that installer hundreds of times and nevwer noted this fact
[18:35] <balloons> njin, ok
[18:35] <balloons> that is quite odd
[18:35] <balloons> I ran into something with ubiquity yesterday that was also weird on language
[18:36] <balloons> so I thought maybe that was what you were talking about
[20:06] <njin> balloons, http://packages.qa.dev.stgraber.org/qatracker/milestones/223/builds/16266/testcases/1311/results the first (default instalation) is done and verified step by step
[20:08] <balloons> njin, ok one sec
[20:09] <balloons> njin, ahh, so your starting to convert the server testcases :-)
[20:09] <balloons> cool
[20:09] <njin> tomorrow I will do a real hardware installation to see the difference with the wireless
[20:09] <njin> yes
[20:09] <balloons> You can remove the case id at the top
[20:10] <balloons> let me look at the behind the scenes and check the formatting :-)
[20:10] <njin> ok, tomorrow I will write the walkthrought
[20:11] <njin> now i've to go, see you soon
[20:11] <balloons> njin,
[20:11] <balloons> njin, k.. let's talk tomorrow when your around
[20:11] <njin> ok
[21:01] <balloons> phillw, ping
[21:05] <phillw> balloons: pong
[21:06] <balloons> phillw, check out my response to Lance and the wiki page
[21:07] <balloons> I hope it helps a little.. I realize the idea is still a bit confusing and off
[21:07] <balloons> if there's anything else I can do to help clarify or make it easier let me know
[21:08] <phillw> thanks for the reply.
[21:08] <balloons> also, while I have you. I need to schedule that meeting
[21:09] <phillw> frustrated testers are not productive testers :)
[21:09] <balloons> heh.. it's a big agenda.. everything to do about iso testing.. the scheduling, how we're doing it, the communication, respins, the testcases we're running
[21:09] <balloons> all of it needs discussed
[21:09] <balloons> so, my question to you is what's the best format for the lubuntu guys?
[21:09] <balloons> irc, video hangout, combination?
[21:10] <balloons> and what's the best time in general to meet (in UTC)?
[21:11] <phillw> I'm pretty sure that for a one off, they'd be flexible. Best way would be to put the poll to allow people to state when they could attend a special meeting. for such a thing, I'm available at any time.
[21:13] <balloons> yes, I thought about polling
[21:13] <balloons> but honestly it's such a big discussion it's going to end up as several meetings.. perhaps not
[21:13] <balloons> perhaps a mailing list thread is best
[21:14] <balloons> i'm going to have a think on it
[21:16] <phillw> maybe start something along the lines of a whiteboard?
[21:18] <balloons> phillw, hmm.. ok, elaborate if you would
[21:20] <phillw> balloons: along the lines of https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/lubuntu-q-work-items ? I'm trying to find the live whiteboard!
[21:25] <balloons> phillw, :-)
[21:29] <phillw> we have found it invaluable. We can bring up topics, the devs can tell us where things are upto etc.
[21:32] <balloons> phillw, send me a link whenever you find it again.. no rush
[21:44] <phillw> balloons: (22:40:07) phillw: hi Boss, do you have the link to the quantal whiteboard to hand? (The one that we can actually edit, not the https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/lubuntu-q-work-items one).
[21:44] <phillw> (22:40:46) Julien: it's the one on https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/lubuntu-q-work-items
[21:44] <phillw> (22:41:01) phillw: hmm, how do you edit it?
[21:44] <phillw> (22:41:04) Julien: there is a section "Whiteboard" which you can edit
[21:44] <phillw> (22:41:22) Julien: you are login in launchpad ?
[21:44] <phillw> (22:41:30) phillw: got it!
[21:45] <phillw> i've changed the irc nick as he does not get pinged.
[21:45] <phillw> *so as he does not get pinged*
[21:53] <phillw> it looks like kate set them up, I'm sure she can provide further information as to how they function. Another option is the etherpad as used by the release team?