[01:39] hmm, cpufreq is being a bit dumb on my machine [01:39] I've overclocked to 4.2ghz, but it only sees 2.8ghz and below as valid frequency options === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [06:33] good morning [07:13] Morning all [07:27] good morning everyone, [07:32] morning all [07:33] morning AlanBell [07:35] lo diplo, brobostigon, AlanBell <3 [07:35] morning christel :) === KillerJim|Away is now known as KillerJim [08:13] MartijnVdS, i thoroughly enjoyed that programme yesterday, thanks for the rec [08:14] mungojerry: which one was that again? :) [08:15] the kyocera [08:15] or whatever :D [08:18] antikythera [08:20] the greek computer? [08:20] yeah, i loved it [08:21] :) [08:21] it was interesting. [08:21] i found it sad that they seemed to ignore the guy who built the working model [08:22] all the other university bods patting each other on the back, and the other guy achieved as much as them. i wonder what else there is to that story [08:49] Ahoy [08:49] hoy [08:49] elo sailor ;-) [08:51] Oh my [08:52] mungojerry: he looked a bit eccentric [08:52] mungojerry: (the guy who made a copy) [08:53] yes, certainly autistic spectrum, from first impressions. maybe he collaborate very well [08:54] his work was excellent and would have been useful [08:55] ^would not collaborate [09:02] heya bigcalm :) [09:03] Ewwo christel :) [09:03] how are yoou [09:03] Tired! nothing new ;) [09:03] How are you sweetie? [09:05] i am orkay! waiting for The Passport, cleaning the house, pondering packing! [09:05] Pondering packing? Aren't you going at early o'clock tomorrow? [09:07] Soo tired [09:08] I think that 'soo' should be a word like 'too' [09:08] Similar to 'to', but more so ;) [09:13] Howdy popey [09:14] pip pip [09:14] Holiday boring you onto IRC? :P [09:14] hah [09:22] * TheOpenSourcerer is off to the Olympic Park again today. Handball Qtr Final then think we'll drag the kids to Hyde Park later on. [09:24] bigcalm: yus! :P [09:24] i am just Very Disorganised [09:28] TheOpenSourcerer: have fun [09:29] AlanBell, have you been doing your duties as the grumpy games maker? [09:29] popey: not yet, I am doing paralympics [09:29] ah [09:30] got my uniform yesterday [09:30] is it sexeh? [09:30] christel says it is a bit camp [09:32] Haha [09:32] ahaha [09:32] it is [09:32] also when he wears the cap he looks like a camp mcdonalds employee [09:32] :o [09:33] i liked the shoes and the trousers mind [09:33] would you like fries with that? [09:33] AND THE CAMP WATCH [09:34] * bigcalm smirks [09:35] new favourite game on android: x-construction [09:35] bigcalm: they take uniform very seriously it appears! he modelled everything from socks to manbags and watches and umbrellas.. i can only assume they also kitted him out with special Olympics underpants! [09:36] Oh deary me [09:36] no, gamesmakers are not allowed to wear underpants [09:36] Heh [09:36] :P [09:36] * christel tickles AlanBell [09:37] that makes sense, we did notice a certain lack of undergarments in your laundry too actually [09:39] i am being subjected to mickey mouse in portuguese [09:39] it makes no sense :( [09:43] You have some odd tv channels [09:48] haha [09:50] or a strange child! [09:50] i had to go outside to Jump In Puddles earlier.. that was a wet start to my day [10:02] i don't think my child will know who mickey mouse is until he's a teenager [10:02] it all started when czajkowski brought him a mickey mouse t-shirt back from disneyland.. ;) [10:04] christel: a poor quality t-shirt? [10:05] haha nah it was alright (but then he is young enough to grow out of stuff before you have a chance to gauge the quality!) [10:06] mine know some of the disney characters but aren't obsessed by them as much as they are by other non-disney ones [10:06] sam is a massive octonauts fan [10:07] My kids love octonauts [10:07] Octonauts! To the launch bay! [10:08] \o/ [10:09] * bigcalm feels out of touch [10:09] It's all about Waybuloo! [10:09] Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo [10:09] Tell that to an 11 month old :P [10:10] One of the ones i couldn't stand tbh [10:10] waybuloo must be written by someone on acid [10:10] it is seriously weird [10:12] they say that about all kids telly really [10:13] i dunno, i like postman pat! :D [10:13] we watch wallace and gromit once per day in my house [10:14] I'm not keen on the Postman, was okay back in the day ... but now :\ [10:14] There is some stuff i don't want them watching [10:14] I find it violent... [10:14] n1md4: it has been rather a few years, i might have romanticised ideas of it being wonderful :P [10:14] christel: modern Postman Pat or the shows from when we were children? [10:14] bigcalm: 80s pat! [10:15] \o/ [10:15] Is it a cartoon these days? [10:15] Or cgi or something? [10:16] david likes the gruffalo (a bit too much) and dr who.. bar that he is mainly disinterested in tv but ill watch like 2 minutes of whatever before diving off the back of the sofa or similar [10:16] Morning all [10:16] my kids aren't really into dr who [10:17] * christel gasps [10:17] i am considering disowning them [10:17] I would [10:17] i think he only likes it because he was forced to watch it when he was a newborn (it is probably mainly habit) [10:17] will try again this season [10:17] sam gets too scared [10:17] popey: let the brainwashing begin? [10:17] :P [10:17] though he runs around excitedly whenever he sees david tennant in anything else shouting DOCTOR DOCTOR [10:17] (and he is terrified of my remote control dalek...) [10:17] postman pat is still OK in my book [10:18] (and of slugs i have discovered.. ) [10:19] popey: your kids are super adorable -- they told me all about the Kitten [10:20] and we had a long discussion about how AlanBell didn't have a lot of spices.. which they figured meant that he was not as good at cooking as you are!! [10:20] :D [10:20] popey: I don't like the new one he just isn't dynamic enough, oh and the script writer for the Tennant Eccleston era left [10:20] (which i thought was dreadfully cute) [10:20] and accurate [10:21] but really, they were critical of the size of my spice rack? [10:21] they were! :P [10:22] i bet you're going to go buy ALL the spices now.. aren't you? [10:24] AlanBell: is it you who has the S3 or TheOpenSourcerer ? [10:24] davmor2: TheOpenSourcerer [10:24] christel: well I can't have popey having a bigger rack than me [10:24] wakka wakka wakka [10:24] did they? [10:26] haha, just asked them [10:26] they confirmed this [10:27] apart from nutmeg I have no clue what else is on the spice rack (or what could possibly be missing from it) [10:27] nutmeg is for rice pudding [10:28] FIVE SPICEEEEEEEEEEEE [10:29] * AlanBell feels a domain purchase coming on [10:31] cumin [10:31] some people say variety is the spice of life. they're wrong. it's definitely cumin. [10:32] +1 [10:32] all the variety one needs is "a little cumin? or a lot of cumin?" [10:32] (the answer is a lot, btw) [10:32] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asafoetida [10:32] required for that awful stink you need in your rack [10:33] also, for having something with "foetid" in the name [10:34] popey: :D [10:34] * AlanBell now owns ratemyspicerack.com [10:34] lol [10:34] Hahaha [10:34] lol [10:35] lol AlanBell [10:35] my spicerack is my wall cupboards bottom shelf [10:35] I have a whole shelf of spices [10:36] right, off to go on a choo choo train [10:36] ttfn [10:36] bb [10:36] choo choo \o/ [10:36] anyone know a good wordpress ratings plugin or something? [10:39] haha [10:42] Gah, just wet myself [10:43] Maybe I should invest in a sippy-cup [10:43] TMI [10:43] AlanBell: you know you have personal info showing on that domain ? [10:43] Poured my water mug over myself, managed to miss the keyboard thankfully [10:44] i have 2 spice racks. [10:44] 3 if you count the jars in the shelf above the cooker hood [10:45] diplo: yeah, just changing it to the office address === matt_ is now known as Guest62384 === It is now known as Guest94515 [11:20] bigcalm: why do you think sippy cup will stop you wetting yourself [11:21] davmor2: smaller opening [11:21] It'll stop me from wetting myself so much :P [11:23] :o [11:24] m [11:24] If I'm going to act like a baby, I should treat myself like one [11:24] er [11:24] yes no [11:24] Well I'm confused!] [11:24] my current mental imagery involves you in adult nappies [11:24] Nooo [11:24] and it is most disturbing [11:24] Yes, please stop that :P [11:25] i didnt MEAN to.. it just happens :( [11:26] christel: WHY? /me gets the mind bleach [11:38] Just realised that it's Wednesday. Why is the week going so quickly? [11:39] Lunch time I think [11:39] bigcalm: cause you are working so slowly :D [11:40] ¬.¬ [11:40] bigcalm: on a plus side steak tonight [11:41] Surf & Turf! [11:41] gord: so are you coming on Thursday? [11:52] STEAK \o/ [11:55] * christel makes plans to go to davmor2s for dinner tonight [12:00] what's side steak? [12:01] christel: it's the lug meeting so it's at the Moon Under Water but you're more than welcome :D [12:11] has anyone experienced an issue where you can't reply to certain people's text messages? [12:11] e.g. my wife cannot respond to a text from my mum, but i can on my phone [12:15] the mother in law filter [12:16] a premium feature [12:16] lol [12:16] if i get a sms from my mother in law i would be quite surprised... [12:17] she died in Jan [12:17] anyone done the basketball google game today? [12:18] mungojerry: 14 [12:19] 27 so far.. [12:19] 21 2nd play [12:25] davmor2: ooh lug steak ;) [12:38] * bigcalm returns to dream about tonight's steak [12:40] how do you like it? [12:41] Medium rare [12:41] nod [12:41] How do you like it? [12:41] cremated to hell and back [12:42] davmor2: noooo :( [12:42] meat should never be overcooker :( [12:42] overcooked* [12:42] bigcalm: depends on my mood, rare or medium rare [12:43] generally i find i season just before putting it on a properly hot pan and then just allow the sides to brown and then i put them in the oven for a couple of minutes until the meat swells [12:44] and then it is lovely and lush (particularly with a big dollop of homemade barnaise sauce) [12:44] * christel nods [12:45] christel: this is why I like chicken and turkey over meat, I can't eat fat so I have to cut every piece off, if it's pink or bloody I can't eat it, and yet when Mrs M does it it's lovely but is well done :) [12:45] aww [12:48] next week i intend to nom yummy birds [12:48] :o [12:48] i intend to hunt them and stalk them and shoot them and eat them :D [12:48] (lagopus and capercailie at that) [12:50] i er, that killed the conversation (and you're now all terrified of me because i run around with shotguns?) :x [12:51] christel: you can run with it as long as it's not loaded :P [12:51] haha [12:51] it is going to be very tasty :D [12:52] IF this passport arrives in the next 3 hours as promised... [12:53] christel: Muhahahahahahahaha you live down south right, you watch the olympics get the blame for it being late :D [12:53] grmbl :P [12:54] i have decided they're just all racist against norwegians :( [12:54] :( [12:55] yes :( [12:55] airport employees are you know [12:55] i always get singled out for Additional Security when i fly to the states [12:56] christel: maybe they want to get to know you better ;) [12:56] christel: change your surname to bloggs and you'll have no issues what so ever honest gov'nor [12:58] HALLELUJA [12:58] THE PASSPORT HAS ARRIVE [12:58] D [12:59] Wooooooooo! [13:00] christel: Woohoo you can go on holiday [13:00] WOOOOOOOOOOOOOO [13:00] * bigcalm dances with christel [13:00] christel: YAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [13:01] * christel does a dance :D [13:01] i guess i better had pack then.. :P [13:01] Good luck ;) [13:06] haha [13:06] (what do i need to bring? :D) [13:06] Clothes? [13:06] christel: David [13:06] Hah [13:06] Pendulum: Good Plan! [13:07] it would be a shame if he got left behind after all the passport fuss [13:07] i will need to bring him so that he can Carry All The Things [13:07] :D [13:07] christel: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOGL23HiyJc [13:07] * bigcalm distracts christel with dubstep [13:07] woop [13:08] i shall send ubuntu-uk a postcard [13:08] * christel nods [13:08] christel: I think you should make a video all about Norway for us :P [13:08] we have trolls :D [13:08] (in norway) [13:09] :D [13:13] under bridges? [13:13] christel: don't think that you can get away with just claiming that norway has them when it is quite obvious that the interweb is full o them [13:14] davmor2: I'd let christel claim anything she wants. Otherwise she might give you the mad face and that's scary. [13:15] * bigcalm nods [13:15] Pendulum: Nah she's too excited about holiday and passports to care right now afterwards I'd agree :) [13:16] davmor2: don't underestimate her. She'll get her revenge eventually ;) [13:17] Pendulum: Yeah but I have flame proof clothing from picking on czajkowski so I'm really not scared at all [13:17] haha [13:17] http://ratemyspicerack.com is kind of up and running [13:18] please send me pictures of your spiceracks :) [13:18] AlanBell: you are wrong, cinnamon sugar on Doughnuts [13:19] well that goes on *your* post! [13:19] AlanBell: broken image on 1st load of that site :) [13:19] bigcalm: on the thumbnail of the rack? [13:19] AlanBell: yes [13:19] that is twitpic's fault [13:19] No, I'd say it is the fault of the plugin for not linking to the correct location :( [13:20] what plugin? [13:21] oh hang on, that isn't right [13:21] Oh, you asked for a plugin before, was assuming that that's what was at fault :) [13:21] the plugin was for rating things, not for the twitpic thing [13:21] I see [13:24] davmor2: haha [13:27] how do you exec as a user without a shell? [13:29] jacobw2: Alt+F2 type in the command [13:33] davmor2: server [13:34] davmor2: i.e. i want to run mysql as the mysql system user [13:35] ah one for the popeys of the world I'm afraid [13:35] But he's on a train [13:36] i can't work out how upstart determines the mysql user [13:36] or any user it runs daemons as for that matter [13:37] jacobw2: usually that's controlled within the server's config - I know Apache does it this way [13:37] jacobw2: see if you can find a user/group option within my.cnf [13:40] bigcalm: mysqld refuses to run as root [13:40] jacobw2: I'm assuming that this isn't a vanilla Ubuntu server [13:41] bigcalm: it is, however, mysql-cluster isn't packaged in precise [13:41] Ah, I see [13:41] * jacobw2 has found a user=mysql line in a reference my.cnf [13:42] Does that user exist? [13:43] i think it's created by the mysql-server package [13:46] bigcalm: you're correct, daemons handle their own forking etc :) [13:46] Line 21 of /etc/init/mysql.conf has this in it: -o mysql -g root [13:47] I think that -o is the user to run the service as [13:47] I could be completely wrong. This is just me prodding things :) [13:48] jacobw2: you can do sudo su -s /bin/bash mysql [13:48] to get a shell as that user [13:48] AlanBell: yeah [13:59] hi [14:04] Pendulum: VOTE ON MY SPICERACK [14:04] so that ic an beat AlanBell [14:04] hi sebsebseb :) [14:08] christel: starting a campaign? [14:08] yes! [14:08] it is the "Christel has a better rack than AlanBell" campaign! [14:08] more spiceracks needed [14:09] hi christel :) [14:09] I would take a photo of ours, but it's rather extensive and I don't know everything that's in it (and can't reach most of the things to check) [14:10] Pendulum: please do! [14:10] it might take more than one photo [14:10] thats fine [14:10] can we post videos if we have complex spice arrangements? [14:10] hahaha [14:11] yes! infact lets do a cooking webcast [14:11] tonight can be cooking with directhex [14:11] i am a member of a tech forum, which a cooking subforum. because we were at a mod meetup once, and after a few beers, it seemed like a brilliant idea [14:12] directhex: sure, videos would be fine too (on some kind of embeddable thing) [14:12] directhex, christel: http://www.cookingforgeeks.com/ ? [14:12] "cooking with dogmatic69" ~= calling the nearest takeaway place :D [14:12] MartijnVdS: oooh [14:13] cooking is always a brilliant idea :D [14:14] http://forums.hexus.net/hexus-hotpot-cookery-discussion/ === gary is now known as Guest33649 [14:23] christel: Are you going to OGGCamp? [14:23] unfortunately not, i will be visiting family in norway doing .. norwegian things (like eating too much nice food and enjoying the midnight sun!) === Guest33649 is now known as saxmad [14:24] oh you got relations in Norway [14:24] I got them in Sweden === saxmad is now known as GaryMason [14:24] would have been there right now in fact, but didn't happen this year, because something [14:24] ooh :D [14:24] relatives I meant above [14:24] christel: well half Swedish, so yeah [14:24] oh nice [14:25] speak nearly as good as English as well :), wirth reading being ok, writing/typing not that good [14:26] christel, you missed "and eating lutefisk" as a norwegian passtime [14:27] we only do that once a year! :P [14:27] (and then only the tiniest amount of lutefisk covered in bacon covered in brown goats cheese drizzled with golden syrup!) [14:27] (yes.. it is rather odd as far as meals go) [14:28] scandinavia is a bit weird foodwise [14:28] directhex: it's nice food wise :) [14:28] for yougurt very much so :) [14:28] i suspect y'all ferment fish as a workaround to the high price of fermented grain! [14:28] altough I supopuse most of Europe is like that really, except for the UK [14:28] hahaha [14:28] or grapes [14:28] or potatoes [14:28] or, well, things that are not fish, and are usually drunk [14:29] oooh i see a gap in the market [14:29] * sebsebseb will donate to the PDPC today probably [14:29] we need to find a fish that can live in alcohol [14:29] and then we can sell lutefisk vodka with live fishies in [14:29] or something [14:29] it'd be like awesomer than tequila with dead stuff [14:32] tiny ones ideally [15:07] * christel goes investigate kitchen for yummy things [15:10] ok [15:16] christel: Try Food I find it in the kitchen normally and it is yummy :D Especially the food in hobnob packets [15:17] :D [15:25] christel: I suggest ice cream or chocolate [15:28] Blimey, the user list has hardly changed since I was last here [15:29] * bigcalm returns with a pot noodle [15:30] mrnicelupe: when were you last here? [15:30] bigcalm: which one? [15:31] Pendulum: About 2 years ago! [15:32] yeah, not so much change in that amount of time. try coming back in 5 more years and then maybe it'll have changed [15:33] davmor2: mine ;D [15:33] Indeed. [15:33] Uhoh, I partly came i [15:33] bigcalm: copper, tin or coal? :P [15:33] davmor2: beef & tomato with added soysauce and tobasco [15:34] http://ratemyspicerack.com now has a submission process, someone want to test it? [15:34] Here to ask advice, but the laptop I'm working on just popped* [15:37] davmor2: tooks your time to add me on g+ :P [15:38] bigcalm: I know I thought I added you ages ago but obviously not [15:38] bigcalm: sorry about that :) [15:38] * bigcalm tuts ;) [15:42] Well, I might as well ask anyway, on the off-chance I get it to turn on again: what's the easiest way to edit a Windows registry from Ubuntu? [15:43] Pendulum: ice cream :D [15:43] christel: I knew I had useful suggestions ;) [15:44] i like ice cream : [15:44] P [15:45] christel: I know [15:45] :D [15:45] is my pleasure at ice creaming that obvious? :o [15:46] @ [15:46] :o [15:46] christel: it was last night ;) [15:47] * bigcalm fragile brain melts === KillerJim_ is now known as KillerJim [15:54] ! [15:56] christel: why the ! ? [16:04] i er, uhm.. :P [16:08] Anybody have experience with an HP G60? [16:10] mrevell: you gonna make an appearance on Thursday? [16:11] davmor2, Sprinting, I'm afraid [16:11] mrnicelupe: I have a g62 I don't know how far apart they are [16:11] davmor2: ever have problems with display flickering in 12.04? [16:12] Just over 2 hours to steak! [16:13] STEAK [16:14] ooh you should do a hangout from the lugsteak meeting! [16:15] christel: that is an excellent idea [16:15] christel: it's whether the wifi would take it :D [16:16] hehe [16:16] Pendulum: YES! we could remotely steaklug! [16:16] brobostigon: http://www.youtube.com/user/thedailyguru [16:16] brobostigon: I think you'll like that channel :) [16:17] MartijnVdS: i htink i know it, let me look. :) [16:18] MartijnVdS: no, i dont have already, thank you. :) [16:21] christel: it is a whetherspoons after all [16:23] aww [16:32] czajkowski: if you decide to buy One of those dresses, go for the Very option! [16:33] moo [16:36] Hey popey [16:36] * popey waves to zleap [16:38] * zleap waves back [16:38] what you think to paignton then [16:38] very nice [16:38] :) [16:38] went on the choo choo today [16:38] ah [16:39] you down here all week ? [16:39] yeah [16:39] ah [16:39] sounds good [16:40] exeter lug meet is Friday [16:40] Heh, take the whole family ;) [16:41] yay exeter \o/ [16:41] popey: was there beerage on the choochoo? [16:41] no! [16:41] and the carriages were similar [16:41] Well that sucks [16:41] :O [16:41] although not as nice as the beer ones! [16:41] is this the steam train to kingswear for dartmouth or the one that goes the other way [16:41] mmmbeer [16:42] I think it's time to organise next year's RAT :D [16:42] lets do one next week [16:42] Haha [16:42] no wait i am abroad [16:42] christel: you silly billy :P [16:43] I'm having to cut my oggcamp visit short so that I can attend a 4 day course in London. So no extra beerage for me on the Sunday night :( [16:44] :( [16:44] Yus [16:45] We will both be in Liverpool from Friday though. So 2 nights is better than nothing [16:45] ouch that looked bad [16:51] wb [16:55] bigcalm: aw boo! what are you going to be Learning About [16:55] (gosh it is 6 pm.. i really should consider packing soon) [16:55] ah service has resumed [16:55] :) [16:58] christel: boring coding stuff: http://trainings.sensiolabs.com/en/training/symfony2-php-web-development [16:58] aww [16:59] christel: what time is your flight tomorrow? [16:59] Pendulum: i have no idea! [16:59] bigcalm: remember no red wine before class :D [16:59] * christel investigates [16:59] I've been doing nothing but reading today. My brain hurty [16:59] 12:20 from gatwick [17:00] so i think i shall leave around 9ish [17:00] bigcalm: that's okay I'll pick on you at the lug tonight and you'll forget everything :D [17:00] then i shall panic a lot when i lose david in the airport [17:00] davmor2: I've forgotten everything already [17:00] christel: so really means you have at least 3 more hours before you have to start packing :P [17:00] haha [17:00] <3 [17:01] bigcalm: see just the thought of it has you forgetting it all :D === matt_ is now known as Guest34520 [17:23] Fesk! [17:23] Why do I always remember to set up my laptop for Thursday so late on Wednesday? [17:23] * bigcalm grumbles and hunts down the power lead [17:23] is the Thursday setup so different from other days? [17:24] MartijnVdS: twice a month is our Work Place Day [17:24] Work Place Day? [17:24] Which is tomorrow [17:24] It's where several people who work from home come together to spend the day working in the same room [17:25] Ah, you usually work from home then? [17:25] A way reducing the chances of cabin fever [17:25] MartijnVdS: I have ever since moving here in '09 [17:25] * MartijnVdS did not know that :) [17:25] Well now you do ;) [17:25] \o/ [17:25] Haha [17:26] I've considered it.. but I'm afraid I'll become a hermit 8-) [17:26] *even more of a [17:29] My choice was to work from home or to work for a different compan [17:29] y [17:35] \o/ wfh [17:35] well, wfa [17:35] i worked from a field the other day [17:37] popey: That would work for some things.. but not others [17:37] popey: I like it to be quiet when I code :) [17:38] it was quite quiet [17:38] except for the kids [17:38] also, headphones :) [17:39] but do you code? [17:39] sometimes :) [17:39] Does he blend? [17:39] badly [17:39] popey: what DO you do then? ;) [17:40] <- manager [17:40] you know that unity thing we make [17:40] so.. nothing? [17:40] :P [17:40] :p [17:40] popey: yeah, that's the multi-platform 3D game engine right? :P [17:40] :) [17:41] popey: (that makes googling for Unity bugs so annoying) [17:41] nah [17:41] add launchpad to the search criteria [17:42] popey: http://unity3d.com/company/news/ea-partnership.html [17:42] popey: Unity Technologies Wins GigaOM’s Mobilize LaunchPad 2010 [17:42] Launchpad bug 2010 in gnome-session (Ubuntu) "login and logout sounds have static" [Low,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2010 [17:42] haha [17:42] doublefail [17:43] * MartijnVdS will be learning more python at work now though \o/ [17:43] new project is Pythonic [17:50] * bigcalm slithers off to the LUG [17:50] christel: have a great trip, hope it all goes smoothly :) [17:55] o/ [17:55] \o [17:56] poor netsplitees [17:57] * jacobw2 hugs ubuntu [17:57] centos is just horrible [17:57] * MartijnVdS waits for his neighbors to come home [17:57] Postman delivered my new wifi router there :| [18:00] :( === matt_ is now known as Guest2574 [18:05] Hi [18:05] hi siya [18:06] Recently upgraded to 12.04 and am now struggling with my file shares [18:06] I have a share that I'm trying to access which has guest RO but I want to authenticate as a user so I can write to the share [18:06] how the heck do I specify what userid nautilus should use? [18:07] Ubuntu username and samba username don't match [18:07] AlanBell, hi :) [18:07] I think under 10.04 I may have manually set the shares up but 12.04 does a great job finding stuff on my network [18:19] :) [18:22] Hmm, someone is using forged headers to send spam (drugs, etc), from @azelphur.com. I keep getting delivery status notifications, is there anything I should be doing? o.O [18:30] Argh! [18:30] Azelphur: if you know it's not coming from your server there's not a huge amount you can do [18:30] I think it isn't, http://pastebin.com/uuj4rt0b [18:30] SPF records will/might help the recipients [18:30] I try to manually log in with nautilus and it still doesn't allow me to write to the share [18:30] BigRedS: the headers mention DKIM and SPF, which worries me a little xD [18:31] Azelphur: yeah, that's SPF and DKIM for the google server which sent the notification [18:31] ah [18:31] The original headers don't [18:31] fair enough :) [18:33] In the two Authentication-Results headers in the original message you can see Google evaluating the SPF record [18:33] because there isn't one, it's a 'softfail' (i.e. the server sending the mail is neither permitted to send for that domain nor denied [18:33] ) [18:33] fun [18:33] if you're getting a load of notifications from google an SPF record will stop those, because Google will just drop the mail [18:34] but the headers don't imply it's your server doing the sending [18:36] righto :) [18:42] * siya gives up on Nautilus [18:51] Doh! Had to restart the cifs service on the server [18:51] * siya face palms [19:03] haha [19:10] what's the easiest way to have a small vm on my desktop machine? [19:10] I want to have a small "server" install in a vm (think vps) [19:10] I tend to use Virtualbox [19:10] and occasionally vagrant to drive i [19:10] t [19:11] mgdm: I don't like vbox, because of its oracleyness.. and I don't need the gui bits [19:11] mgdm: also, I've seen coworkers fight it [19:11] it seems.. stubborn [19:12] I've never had an issue with it myself, except a while back with some network thing [19:12] ubuntu-virt - Host and manage virtual machines [19:12] hmmmm [19:13] that installs kvm [19:13] I used to use KVM for hat [19:13] vbox is easier and more straightforward for what approximates to 100% of the time in all honesty [19:14] I mean, I'm sure it's hard to make it do what it's not designed for, or what Oracle didn't think you might do with it [19:14] but they definitely thought about running a server on your desktop for testing etc. [19:16] I thought it was more oriented towards GUIs [19:17] yeah, you get a gui [19:17] so I stick that on the bottom workspace and ssh into it [19:17] that's the annoying bit, having a useless window knocking around somewhere [19:19] you can drive it without a gui (vagrant does so) [19:19] * MartijnVdS is using python-vm-builder now [19:19] + libvirt [19:20] let's see how that goes [20:15] Anyone know of a mail client that'll simply ignore all mail older than a given date? [20:16] or all but the most recent X thousand mails or something? I keep having mail clients hanging, and I suspect it's because they insist upon indexing mail from 2002 [20:16] so put it in a folder [20:17] most new clients have a nice shiny 'ARchive' button for that :) [20:17] I don't have write access to these folders [20:17] TBird even puts it in a special per-year archive [20:17] have you tried mutt? [20:17] They're subscribed folders and they're as old as the company [20:17] No, I was hoping for something more gui - the large problem is with attachments. [20:18] BigRedS: Poke the sysadmin to clean up ;) [20:18] That is a possibility [20:18] but I was sort-of hoping for a non-retarded mail client... [20:18] I suspect that them not having these problems might preclude it, too :( [20:18] I'd say gmail, but then you'd probably hunt me down and do horrible things with me [20:19] i was going to say gmail too [20:19] it's the only mail "client" that doesn't freeze for me, except for the one on symbian [20:19] haha [20:19] oh and the android app obviously [20:19] BigRedS: maybe roundcube -- it does imap and only shows ~100 messages at a time [20:19] it's internal mail, and being a hosting company we're pretty insistent upon not outsourcing, er, hosting :) [20:20] BigRedS: webmail though [20:20] ah yeah, hadn't thought about webmail [20:20] yeah, but it beats waiting several minutes to open a zip archive while evolution/tbird/claws/whatever goes dark and thinks [20:20] yes. [20:21] though if a webserver can do it, i don't see why desktop clients have such a problem [20:21] or does google have several powerful servers dedicated to each gmail user? [20:21] There's a lot of things wrong with almost every gui mail client [20:22] i guess not everyone is hitting gmail at the same time, so it's a possibility [20:22] like "trying to download and index ALL the mails" [20:22] client-side [20:22] yeah [20:22] "I know you said IMAP, but I'm going to pretend it's POP" [20:22] lol, yes [20:23] well you can't expect them to support newfangled protocols like IMAP straight away! [20:23] let it mature for a few years ;) [20:23] haha [20:24] hdparm --yes-i-know-what-i-am-doing [20:24] brilliant [20:24] more software needs switches like that [20:24] considering buying a GT 610 for desktop use, but I notice it benchmarks worse than even really old cards like my 8800GT...not sure if I should buy it [20:25] yeah but it probably doesn't need 8 fans [20:25] it needs 0 fans :D [20:25] well there you go then [20:25] if you want performance get a 8800 [20:25] but I'm really only interested in cheap, dual DVI so I can run my 2 2560x1440 monitors [20:25] 8800 is like twice the price xD [20:25] if you want your ears to still work in 10 years get the 610 [20:25] ali1234: you've seen my PC right? You know it only puts off about 32dB? [20:26] (lots of fans running at low RPM > one big fan on the CPU going nuts) [20:27] so you know, like, watercooling? [20:27] yup [20:27] the idea is to carry the heat over greater distance to the much larger radiator right? [20:28] because having a heatsink that big would be really expensive [20:28] Yep :) [20:28] but if you had loads of money, wouldn't the giant heatsink still be better? [20:28] I suppose so, wouldn't look as cool though [20:28] what's not cool about a 100kg block of silver? [20:29] touche [20:29] i wonder just how much you'd need to get a totally silent, no moving parts, no liquids heatsink that can cool a modern PC going at max [20:30] the active pump in the water cooler probably does make it better than solid metal actually [20:30] ali1234: if your interested, I can turn my CPU fans off for a bit [20:30] and tell you temps [20:30] I think it'd be fine, in all honesty [20:30] yeah, and water's better than air per volume/surface area [20:30] and the chip is only so big, so you want something good [20:31] BigRedS: yes but watercooling still goes to a radiator cooled by air [20:31] leaving the pump on obviously [20:31] but all the fans on the rad off [20:31] that's not really got anything to do with it [20:31] o.O [20:31] yes, but from a 2"x2" chip, which is what you're trying to extract the heat from. It's that interface that you need to make efficient [20:31] yeah which is why the pump is better [20:31] it has nothing to do with air [20:32] ali1234: but it's the answer to your question, if my setup can do it, then my setup is obviously what you need for running a totally silent system [20:32] and everything to do with conductivity [20:32] oh, unless you don't want a pump either and just want totally passive cooling [20:32] it's not totally silent unless you turn off the pump as well [20:32] ah [20:32] no fans, no pumps, nothing [20:32] just a solid block of metal [20:32] of unlimited size [20:32] any shape you want [20:33] i guess that means heat pipes are allowed [20:33] I imagine it'd be possible if you have a decent sized heatsink and perhaps underclock a bit [20:33] googling for passive i7 seems to turn up results of people doing it [20:34] yeah but i want to know if it scales [20:34] or if you reach a point where you can't cool any more by adding more mass [20:34] I think at some point you'd run into the problem of heating up the air inside of the case too much, with no way of removing it [20:34] what if there was no air? [20:34] then a heatsink would be entirely pointless and you'd overheat real fast [20:34] the case is the heatsink [20:34] because science [20:35] alternatively - what if there was no case, and the heatsink was the size of a car? [20:35] ali1234: haha, then in theory you could go nuts :) [20:35] but made from solid metal [20:35] i don't think it would actually work [20:35] * Azelphur shrugs [20:35] i think the part of the heatsink near the chip would get really hot before it could transmit away the heat [20:36] my friend wants to build a TEC with a thermostat so you don't need to insulate, that would be the best cooling ever [20:37] i didn't understand any of that [20:37] a TEC/Peltier cooler can turn water into ice in about 30 seconds, it's a real hardcore cooling solution [20:37] but with stuff like that if your cooler is below ambient you get condensation and things die [20:37] but if you have a thermostat, then you can keep it above ambient, and succeed \o/ [20:38] ali1234: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIMYlslqPnM is a TEC [20:39] how do those work anyway? [20:39] no idea how they actually work beyond "One side gets hot the other side gets cold" === dwatkins_ is now known as dwatkins [20:43] hmm... it's like convection... but with electrons? [20:46] ali1234: *shrug* [20:46] that can't be right [20:46] aha, think I've found the graphics card for me http://www.ebuyer.com/387007-zotac-zt-60404-10l-gt630-1gb-zt-60404-10l?utm_source=google&utm_medium=products [20:46] that would not allow it to get colder than ambient [20:46] should drive 2 x 2560x1440 quite nicely for desktop use :) [20:46] and it's a nice cheap card [20:47] x30/x40 are midrange [20:47] yea [20:47] i have a GT 240 [20:47] it's ok [20:47] doesn't work with nouveau though [20:47] ali1234: I have my GTX 570 for gaming, the only stuff I do on these monitors is run pidgin (admittedly with like 100 windows open), thunderbird and keepass, and a web browser === matt_ is now known as Guest75800 [20:49] Azelphur: can you benchmark my game? [20:50] on my GTX 570? [20:50] sure [20:51] http://www.overclock.net/lists/display/view/id/4482079 is my hardware [20:51] can you maximize over 2x2 monitors still? [20:51] no, I never could [20:52] that requires someone with an AMD eyefinity setup [20:52] i'm sure i've seen a screenshot of you running TF2 over multiple monitors [20:52] yea, that was REALLY slow, and it's not supported any more [20:52] had to use xinerama to tie multiple X sessions together [20:52] ah. do you have joypad? [20:52] yes [20:53] does it have 6 axis? [20:53] if it doesn't, it will probably crash [20:53] it's a playstation 2 controller via USB [20:53] can always unplug it :) [20:54] might act a bit odd anyway [20:54] hehe [20:54] depending on how the axis are mapped [20:54] other thing is that I only have the one GTX 570, my secondary card is a 9500GT, so that'd nuke performance big time for your game [20:54] a passively cooled budget card tends not to do so well gaming ;) [20:54] i doubt it [20:54] o.O [20:54] but yea, I can test it on one or two monitors [20:54] it runs 50fps in my 240 [20:55] or when my new monitors come I can test it at 2560x1440 which is pretty high resolution [20:55] 9500 should be better than that [20:55] fair enough :D [20:55] res doesn't seem to make much difference [20:55] o/ [20:55] ah [20:55] i want to know if it can go up to silly framerates like 100fps [20:55] well as I say I can test it on my GTX 570 [20:56] on my main card it should go damned fast [20:56] it's still uploading... [20:56] GTX 570 with 4.2ghz overclocked i7 [20:56] :D [20:56] the whole game is 10mb [20:56] 9.6mb of that is textures [20:56] fun [20:57] you need to install ogre and ois [20:57] http://ubuntuone.com/5uweM7aLkMLiKSSvMnP4nH [20:59] ali1234: know the package names so I don't have to search em out? [21:00] controls are axis 0 steering, axis 2 left slide, axis 5 right slide, button 1 accelerate, button 4 boost, button 5 stop [21:00] packages are libogre-1.7.4 and libois-1.3.0 [21:01] for some reason they have version numbers in the name [21:03] ali1234: how do I check FPS? [21:03] it's wrtten to console output every 5 seconds or so [21:03] at [21:03] ah* [21:03] well actually it's every 0x3f frames [21:03] I'm getting like 75 but I'm running compiz, and it's doing split screen [21:05] ali1234: it seems to go faster when I fly, gone up to 90, peaked at 116 [21:05] odd [21:05] the numbers are last average best worst [21:06] yea my average is like 75 [21:08] i think when the AI gets stuck in the tunnel it goes faster [21:08] cos you can't see the rest of the track then [21:09] ah [21:13] so is the framerate fairly smooth? [21:14] ali1234: sure, it's fine [21:14] lovely and smooth :D [21:17] brb [21:25] anyone else want to take a picture of their spice rack? [21:26] http://ratemyspicerack.com [21:46] ok so i have a ntfs filesystem mage taken from a hard drive with exactly 2 bad sectors [21:46] how can i find out which files were in those sectors? [21:58] ls -lR 2>../errors did it [22:08] Evening all [22:22] Azelphur: here is binary without splitscreen and nowhere for AIs to get stuck: http://ubuntuone.com/0zDlBMUOEfQ22n0r5Ng5gQ [22:22] it's about 4x faster for me... to be expected really [22:25] i think self-shadowing entities (like the tunnel) is also a big performance hit [22:25] ali1234: 271 best, 120 average [22:25] also my ship is wobbling [22:25] wobbling? [22:25] oh noes [22:26] wobbling how? [22:26] like when I drive along it's doing the right turn animation [22:26] but it's flickering between forward and right turn really fast, so wobbling [22:26] ok, that's your joystick, probably [22:26] could be [22:26] should not flicker though [22:27] you can record a video, if you have ffmpeg installed do VIDEOFILE=whatever.mkv ./rw [22:27] yea, by flicker I mean it's switching really fast [22:27] fun [22:28] does it do it when you are not moving? [22:28] nope [22:29] I think your probably right it's probably just my joystick [22:29] I get exactly the same effect if I mash the right button [22:29] that's the steering then. that shouldn't happen :/ [22:29] it could be my joystick [22:29] I know they are a bit iffy [22:29] (they are like a decade old) [22:30] the tilt on the ship is defined by forard velocity * steering + right slide - left slide [22:30] ie sliding tilts the ship if you are not moving, but steering does not [22:31] yea, it doesn't wobble if I'm standing still [22:32] sliding makes your ship move directly left or right, but it also reduces your grip, so you skid more. so powersliding basically :) [22:32] fun :D [22:32] * Azelphur is winning [22:32] best lap time? [22:32] abuse all the boost [22:32] under 10 seconds is good, under 9 seconds is great :) [22:33] haha just closed the game, restarted it and got 9.655 [22:34] i think under 9 seconds might be impossible. i got 9.04 one time [22:34] fun [22:35] so what are the dependencies to get that to run? [22:35] libogre-1.7.4 and libois-1.3.0 [22:35] yeah and the datafiles [22:36] ali1234: I found out something pretty cool for those korean monitors I bought, apparently you can order a new PCB and overclock them to 120hz [22:36] not sure how much the new PCB costs though, it isn't out yet [22:36] wow awesome [22:36] got a linky to the datafiles? [22:36] http://ubuntuone.com/5uweM7aLkMLiKSSvMnP4nH [22:37] you need a 6 axis joystick to play it also [22:37] if you have less than 6 axis it will crash horribly [22:37] I still need to get a new joystick [22:37] go xbox [22:37] nevar [22:37] seems to be the defacto standard these days for joypads [22:37] it's what i use [22:38] well, i use original xbox which has a slightly different mapping to the 360 pads [22:38] if I buy anything it'll either be a nice Logitech one, or just a crappy new playstation controller [22:38] which is really annoying [22:38] logitech should sponsor you [22:38] they should man [22:38] I buy all there things [22:38] dunno how many axis I have [22:39] AlanBell: what you actually need is two z-triggers and they need to be axis 2 and 5 [22:39] x,y twist, throttle, lots of buttons and an aiming joystick thing on the top [22:39] z-triggers aka shoulder triggers or whatever [22:39] i need to implement joystick remapping [22:40] ali1234: but yea, I like my logitech gaming kit, although the recent wave of hardware has been a bit of a disappointment [22:41] I've had 2 faults (4 total) with both my G19 and my G930 :( [22:41] but managed to get most of it sorted [22:42] just a black window for me [22:42] :o [22:43] what video card? [22:43] this won't work on any open source driver either [22:46] ok i just hastily implemented twist control for joysticks with < 6 axis [22:47] AlanBell: you should see lots of debug output on console too [22:50] hmm so if i copy a file over an already published file on U1, it automatically serves the new file on the old URL [23:01] spam email from google advertising nexus 7? [23:02] i am dissapoint [23:10] tell them you are disappoint and want a free nexus 7