[06:56] <BiosElement> Well this is gonna be a long night >.>
[19:06] <dzho> so, xfce on the Debian install CD
[19:06] <dzho> hmmm
[19:06] <paultag> :)
[19:06]  * dzho wonders if he knows anyone who had anything to do with that
[19:06] <paultag> it was all joey hess, but I'm totally +1 on that change.
[19:06] <dzho> heh
[19:07] <Unit193> Yes, isn't it great?
[19:07] <paultag> It's my fault it has a new theme, though :>
[19:07] <dzho> I like how the announcement I saw (phoronix) was all "this isn't really about $POLITICSOFGNOME, it's just that, well . . . it still *fits* on the disc"
[19:07] <paultag> +1
[19:07] <paultag> that was the argument presented
[19:08] <dzho> sometimes one good argument is all you need
[19:08] <paultag> yep.
[19:08] <paultag> There were warnings and such
[19:08] <paultag> so this wasn't entirely unexpected
[19:08] <paultag> well, not entirely :)
[19:09] <dzho> peripherally related, I've begun to think of my non-android Linux "smartphone" as my "smart-enough phone"
[19:09] <paultag> mmm.
[19:09] <dzho> (maemo)
[19:09] <paultag> maemo rocks.
[19:09] <paultag> I had a n770 when they were hot in 2006 or so
[19:10] <dzho> I just don't know that Unity and GNOME3 and whatever are going to be able to pull much away from Android in terms of being an alternative.
[19:10] <dzho> things are really unsettled now in terms of where platforms are going
[19:11] <paultag> GNOME OS is looking to become a thing
[19:11] <paultag> which is going to fuck up GNOME on the desktop
[19:11] <dzho> is that what they're calling boot-to-gnome now?
[19:11] <paultag> hahahaha, I hope not
[19:11] <dzho> oh, wait, that's boot-to-gecko I'm thinking of
[19:11] <paultag> yeah, B2G is cool
[19:11] <dzho> sorry, got my g's mixed up
[19:11] <paultag> but that's firefox
[19:11] <paultag> :)
[19:11] <dzho> yeah
[19:12] <dzho> it may soon be the year of Linux on the desktop, now that the hype machine no longer cares about the desktop
[19:14] <paultag> meh
[19:14] <paultag> desktop linux is sucking lately.
[19:14] <dzho> so long as they don't mess too much with my terms, I might be ok
[19:14] <paultag> well. window management affects how we use the terminals
[19:15]  * dzho nods
[19:15] <paultag> and I care about how attractive the setup is
[19:15] <paultag> it's not easy to convince someone they should use something that looks like garbage
[19:15] <paultag> and my setup now is … visual garbage
[19:15] <paultag> works OK
[19:29] <skellat> Now that I'm not gainfully employed I can wander in during daylight hours.  We've been getting too inactive around here.
[19:30] <paultag> skellat: that's not true! :)
[19:30] <paultag> you just show up and part quickly :)
[19:30] <skellat> And this time I scared DavidLevin off!
[19:30] <paultag> :)
[19:30] <paultag> Did you get my email, skellat?
[19:30] <skellat> That you will in fact be at OLF even though we're not going to have an UbuCon?
[19:31] <paultag> Yeah.
[19:31] <paultag> I don't know anything about UbuCon
[19:31] <paultag> but I'll be there, regardless
[19:31] <paultag> skellat: gilbert and I were planning a Debian hackathon
[19:32] <skellat> paultag: Well, that'll be good.  It is needed considering how my SheevaPlug is *still* downloading updates for Wheezy
[19:33] <paultag> Heck, Wheezy isn't even stable yet :)
[19:33] <paultag> it's still the testing suite
[19:33] <paultag> do you mean squeeze? :)
[19:34] <skellat> No, I actually put my SheevaPlug on Testing instead of Squeeze.
[19:34] <paultag> ah, great.
[19:34] <paultag> it's about to be stable soon :)
[19:34] <skellat> But who will be President then?
[19:35] <paultag> Wellp, hopefully we're releasing before the election
[19:35] <paultag> usually a 6 month freeze or so
[19:35] <paultag> actually wait
[19:35] <paultag> yeah, no. election should be before December.
[19:35] <paultag> yeah. nevermind.
[19:36] <skellat> Yeah
[19:36] <skellat> It happens
[19:36] <paultag> skellat: it shouldn't
[19:36] <paultag> skellat: I work in politics
[19:36] <skellat> Wait, back up a sec...I missed somethin'
[19:37] <paultag> Yeah?
[19:38] <skellat> Never mind, I figured it out.  I know you work for the Sunshine folks.  You have to know election timings.  I'm just wondering who is behind Ballotpedia because some of their data on NEOH elections is crap.
[19:38] <paultag> Ah, yeah. Ballotpedia rocks.
[19:39] <paultag> skellat: Have you seen my latest work?
[19:39] <skellat> paultag: dewebstrap?
[19:39] <paultag> skellat: http://openstates.org/oh/ ← I went out of my way to get Ohio into the launch states :>
[19:39] <paultag> skellat: if you don't know who your state level legislator is, http://openstates.org/find_your_legislator/ ← is cool
[19:39] <paultag> I used JCU as test data :)
[19:39] <skellat> Opening it.  Firefox takes a moment on the BeagleBoard since it is not only a browser but also a forkbomb all in one package.
[19:40] <paultag> ACK
[19:40] <skellat> Dillo works wonders, though.
[19:41] <skellat> So, the colors represent senatorial districts?
[19:41] <paultag> or assembly
[19:41] <paultag> I think the colors are which house, but I can't recall
[19:41] <paultag> I wrote this a while ago
[19:42] <skellat> Okay.  If so, then OH-99 doesn't line up right as it is contained mostly within Ashtabula County and doesn't jag west all the way to Mentor in Lake County.
[19:42] <skellat> One color shows OH-63 and OH-99 together.
[19:43] <paultag> we get these shapes from the Census bureau :)
[19:43] <skellat> Being Ohio House districts
[19:43] <skellat> Oh.
[19:43] <paultag> and not 2013 shapes yet :)
[19:43] <skellat> Okay
[19:43] <paultag> since they're not in use yet
[19:43] <paultag> skellat: any problems would be great to report, though
[19:43] <skellat> I know Casey Kozlowski's district changed a little due to Ashtabula County population falling but that election is in a few months.
[19:43] <paultag> Yeppers
[19:43] <Unit193> skellat: You tried xxxterm?
[19:44] <skellat> I'm still wavering over finding the $85 to file to run a write-in campaign to oust a sitting county commissioner.
[19:44] <skellat> Unit193: Nope.  What is it?
[19:44] <paultag> skellat: you should.
[19:44] <Unit193> Lightweight browser, it's great.
[19:44] <Unit193> Vim style, but you don't technically need to know vim to use it.
[19:44] <skellat> paultag: The question remains finding the cash to file.  I've got until August 27th to file, though.
[19:44] <skellat> Unit193: Hmm, I'll have to check that out.
[19:45] <paultag> skellat: yar.
[19:46] <skellat> I must inquire eventually about holding regional key signing parties around our state
[19:47] <paultag> skellat: It would pain me to know the community I worked so hard to help get back up and running fell apart again
[19:47] <paultag> we should do a keysigning at OLF
[19:47] <skellat> That would be possible.
[19:47] <skellat> Holding one either in Cleveland or the outer suburbs would be nice, too
[19:47] <paultag> I'm flying into CLE
[19:47] <paultag> and out of CLE
[19:47] <paultag> meeting a friend and driving down with him
[19:48] <skellat> Well, doing a visit at somewhere like Mentor Headlands park or another more suitable location might be worthwhile
[19:48] <paultag> Totally!
[19:49] <skellat> Even if it is the Burger King at OH-306 and I-90 which is right near Lakeland...it'd be a bit for me to drive but easy enough for those in Cuyahoga County
[19:49] <skellat> I'd only travel about 40 miles that way.
[19:50]  * skellat remembers he has to look through Lakeland Community College's catalog tonight to see what courses he can try to get approved to teach as an adjunct perhaps
[19:50] <skellat> And I scared DavidLevin off again!
[19:50] <Unit193> And the other person.
[19:50] <skellat> X-chat said andygraybeal had a timeout
[19:53] <skellat> So, what else is new around the great state of Ohio?  The podcast remains on hiatus until the 20th as I finally got those shards of broken tooth removed so I don't sound like Sid The Slouth from Ice Age anymore.
[19:53] <skellat> Our production gear is broken up and split between two locations so we've got more moving before we're back on the air.
[19:53] <paultag> Yeah, I saw that. Was bummed.
[19:54] <skellat> Well, $275 to get the remaining shards removed helps.  I don't sound like Sid anymore and my tongue doesn't have huge gashes in it.
[19:54] <paultag> alas, if we had a real heathcare system …
[19:55] <skellat> I've found that the insurance my former employer offered wouldn't have covered what I needed anyhow and the ACA puts me in a scary position as to one class of health services as it deprioritizes it.
[19:56] <paultag> alas, if we had a real heathcare system … :)
[19:57] <skellat> paultag: I know, I know.  I read the two platforms from the last election and can't wait to see this round.  All the Obamna/Romney ads have been annoying the snot out of me here since the Cleveland and Erie stations fall within two battleground states.
[19:57] <paultag> Yeah, totally.
[19:58] <skellat> So, what packages do you have dominion over now paultag?
[19:59] <paultag> skellat: not much, I mostly provide review help and comic relief
[19:59] <skellat> That works
[19:59] <paultag> skellat: fluxbox, fbautostart, desktop-base, liblicense, a few others
[19:59] <paultag> nothing much.
[19:59] <paultag> Oh, python-sunlight
[20:00] <skellat> I started fiddling and think I was able to push a package forward to a new version in my PPA.  See: https://launchpad.net/~skellat/+archive/elptools
[20:01] <skellat> The upstream script for ttytter was updated and the package even in sid is an old version.  The version found in Precise Pangolin was deprecated by the author well before Pangolin was released.
[20:02] <paultag> sweet :)
[20:02] <paultag> skellat: you should update it in Debian / Ubuntu
[20:03] <skellat> How do I do that?
[20:03] <paultag> same way you've done with the PPA, but against Debian, not Ubuntu
[20:03] <paultag> file a bug, see if the maintainer will do it, though
[20:03] <skellat> Okay
[20:04] <paultag> skellat: http://packages.qa.debian.org/t/ttytter.html
[20:04] <skellat> The big reason older versions of the script get deprecated is because Twitter just keeps changing their API access methods without end
[20:04] <paultag> skellat: does it work, at all?
[20:05] <skellat> The old package?  It should.  I saw on the BTS page a TO-DO to grab the new version
[20:05] <paultag> skellat: that's automated. the maintainer may not know
[20:05] <paultag> well, file a bug anyway
[20:05] <skellat> Ah.  Ubuntu only has version 1.2.5 which was binned quite a while ago
[20:06] <skellat> See: http://www.floodgap.com/software/ttytter/dl.html
[20:06] <paultag> that might be a good guy to update with Ubuntu's SRU process
[20:07] <skellat> Yeah.  I know my way around Launchpad better so I can easily file the bug there
[20:16] <skellat> paultag: Okay, reportbug said it couldn't e-mail but it saved it for me.  How can I forward such onward?
[20:25] <paultag> skellat: are you on Ubuntu?
[20:26] <paultag> (if so, reportbug's nerfed on Ubuntu so that Ubuntu bugs don't find their way into Debian's BTS)
[20:26] <paultag> skellat: you can email submit@bugs.debian.org
[20:26] <skellat> Nah, was logged into the SheevaPlug that is running Wheezy
[20:26] <paultag> ah, great
[20:26] <paultag> I don't know why it can't send
[20:29] <skellat> My ISP may be blocking reportbug from connecting directly via SMTP
[20:29] <skellat> But it is trying to submit
[20:29] <paultag> wait, what?
[20:29] <paultag> seriously?
[20:29] <skellat> Yeah
[20:29] <paultag> submit = send mail over SMTP
[20:29] <skellat> It is Time Warner Cable
[20:29] <paultag> why would it do that?
[20:29] <paultag> I had TWC
[20:29] <paultag> SMTP worked fineish
[20:33] <skellat> E-mail away based on the saved temp file
[20:34] <paultag> :)
[20:34] <Unit193> http://help.rr.com/hmsfaqs/e_outboundPort25.aspx
[21:01] <Unit193> Hey!  He's finally not a guest!
[21:01] <jrgifford> pfft.
[21:01] <paultag> hiya jrgifford
[21:02] <jrgifford> shows how often i check irc
[21:02] <jrgifford> howdy paultag
[21:02] <jrgifford> how you doing?
[21:02] <paultag> straight chilln'
[21:02] <paultag> how are you, jrgifford?
[21:02] <jrgifford> sweet
[21:02] <jrgifford> i'm fine.
[21:02] <jrgifford> working on some rails stuff like a true hipster, hacking on a gem in my spare time, the usual. ;P
[21:03] <paultag> word
[21:03] <jrgifford> hey, its fun. :D
[21:04] <paultag> :)
[21:04] <jrgifford> playing with vmware player for the first time.
[21:04] <paultag> it's kinda janky
[21:11] <jrgifford> so far i'm impressed.
[21:12] <jrgifford> interesting. it wants to do a auto install for me. not bad. not bad.
[22:37] <Cheri703> o/ folks
[22:37] <Cheri703> jrgifford: I'm a fan of vmware player
[22:53] <Unit193> Howdy.
[22:57] <Cheri703> how's it going?
[23:00] <Unit193> Very warm, glad I'm not outside today.
[23:00] <Unit193> You?
[23:05] <paultag> o/
[23:08] <Cheri703> doing alright
[23:09] <Cheri703> excited about my job :)
[23:29] <Cheri703> looks like I'll be working full time for this company from home for the forseeable future :D
[23:41] <canthus13> Nice. :)
[23:41] <canthus13> lucky you. :P
[23:41]  * canthus13 has been looking for a security-related job for years.
[23:43] <paultag> break into houses
[23:45] <canthus13> Wrong side of security.