[00:09] <Pyrhra> Bonsoir, Je suis actuellement en train d'installer Xubuntu, connaissant déjà un peu l'univers de Linux, j'aurais une question à propos de Xfce, que je n'ai jamais utilisée, je voudrais savoir à quel point il est paramétrable
[00:09] <Pyrhra> CàD si il es possible par exemple d'intervertir la barre du haut et celle du bas
[00:10] <Pyrhra> Je un peu regarder mais je n'ai pas trouvée
[00:10] <Pyrhra> j'ai*
[00:13] <Pyrhra> J'ai aussi vu qu'on pouvais mettre une image de fond pour les barres, comment va-t-il gérer l'image donnée ? S'il va l'étendre si elle est carré par exemple, ou s'il faut mettre une image dans un format spécial et de la forme de la barre
[00:36] <cavibird> Help?
[00:36] <cavibird> cavibird2005@Cavis-Zenbook:~$ sudo apt-get install update [sudo] password for cavibird2005:  Reading package lists... Error! E: Encountered a section with no Package: header E: Problem with MergeList /var/lib/apt/lists/security.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_precise-security_main_binary-amd64_Packages E: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened. cavibird2005@Cavis-Zenbook:~$
[00:36] <cavibird> Anyone home?
[00:37] <bazhang> !patience | cavibird
[00:37]  * cavibird is patiently waiting
[00:40] <cavibird> I fingered her out. Thanks peeps!
[00:42] <cavibird> sudo rm -vf /var/lib/apt/lists/*  fixed the issue
[00:42] <cavibird> bye all
[01:34] <asterismo> hi people
[01:35] <asterismo> i need help with Fn keys
[01:35] <asterismo> can i remove pulseaudio from xubuntu and use alsa for sound server?
[01:35] <asterismo> because xfce4-volumed do not recognize Fn keys or so
[01:36] <asterismo> Multimedia keys are not working
[01:53] <Azelphur> Anyone happen to know about cpufreqd? It's underclocking my CPU (Even under load, the maximum frequency is 2.8ghz but my CPU is 3ghz overclocked to 4.2 in the bios)
[02:35] <xubuntu922> I just installed xubuntu and need to get online...how do I do that?
[02:37] <holstein> xubuntu922: the wired internet (assuming you have that) should "just work"... and from there, you can get help with the wifi (assuming you have that, and its not "just working")..
[02:38] <xubuntu922> thanks..I'll try that!
[02:52] <qmynd> hello I'm trying to install xubuntu along side windows7 and when I get to the partion editor(the slidy one)  It doesn't label which partition is which.  I would like to make my windows partition as small as possible but I don't know which one is which
[02:57] <holstein> qmynd: yup.. its challenging, you are not really allowed to know.. i would just poke around in there with a live CD, and you should be able to tell
[02:57] <Unit193> Should indicate that one is Xubuntu and one is windows.
[02:57] <holstein> i had to delete a "storage" partition once
[02:59] <qmynd> It didn't.  I just ended up changing the size of my windows partition.  Getting scared and backing out then selecing the first option again (easy partition along side) and it just started installing so hopefully its using the free space that I had allocated
[03:00] <holstein> qmynd: we can only start from the beginning and be certain.. if you are doing something you are unsure of, i would let it finish and cross your fingers, and come here *before* hitting "the button" in the future
[03:00] <holstein> "it" will only do what you ask it to do... and it can be challenging making out what is what in there
[03:00] <holstein> windows will be on an ntfs partition likely... i thought you had a few of those you were trying to decipher
[03:02] <qmynd> Yea I know.  Also i only had 1 windows partition but with the easy partion manager with the sliding bar it didn't label one as the old windows and the other one as the new xubuntu.  I'm not to worried I just reformated the whole thing because I needed windows and in genearl a new format so hopefully everything goes fine but just out of curriosity is that a normal problem
[03:06] <holstein> qmynd: dont be worried, just look and see if its ntfs next time... you can run in the terminal "sudo fdisk -l" and see what is what
[04:05] <xubuntu107> hi
[04:06] <xubuntu107> anyone on?
[04:09] <foobArrr> I'd like to have numlock on after boot. I tried installing numlockx and put "numlockx on" in autostart, but that doesn't work. any ideas?
[04:10] <Joelito> are you using lightdm, foobArrr ?
[04:10] <foobArrr> yes
[04:11] <Joelito> the it should be on
[04:11] <foobArrr> it isn't
[04:11] <Joelito> by default, you need to manual enabled on the first boot
[04:42] <NameIsNotDavid> Hi.
[04:44] <Joelito> h
[04:44] <NameIsNotDavid> I've been having a few minor issues with xubuntu 12.04, I was wondering if anyone knows a simple fix before I dig deep, start scripting. etc.
[04:45] <NameIsNotDavid> First of all, my screen brightness is set to full during the boot loading screen, then twice again while logging in.
[04:46] <holstein> NameIsNotDavid: ? i wait til after everything is loaded, and set the brightness
[04:46] <holstein> NameIsNotDavid: i dont boot that often, so after suspend, all is good... is that not going to work for you?
[04:47] <NameIsNotDavid> And whenever I return from suspend or hibernate, the mousepad on my laptop is reenabled oddly. The appropriate config says that it is disabled, but it still responds.
[04:47] <Joelito> maybe is your video driver
[04:47] <holstein> yeah, i would try a different driver...
[04:47] <NameIsNotDavid> I have to juggle the file back and forth before it'll work as expected.
[04:48] <NameIsNotDavid> Huh, Sandy Bridge strikes again? :P
[04:48] <holstein> i would disable the mousepad in the bios
[04:49] <NameIsNotDavid> Hmm, I may be able to do that. Last time I fiddled with it the bios was pretty crappy. With menu options, anyway.
[04:50] <NameIsNotDavid> But yeah, that has pretty much been what I have been doing for the brightness issue, above.
[04:50] <NameIsNotDavid> so it's not just me.
[04:50] <NameIsNotDavid> Thanks, guys.
[04:50] <holstein> its never been an issue for me...
[04:50] <holstein> this is intel hardware too, usually well supported
[04:51] <NameIsNotDavid> it's more of a mild irritation than in issue,
[04:51] <NameIsNotDavid> *an
[04:51] <holstein> i dont reboot that often
[04:55] <NameIsNotDavid> Thanks so much.
[05:03] <xubuntu450> IS www.xfce.org down, it seems like an OUTAGE...
[05:04] <holstein> http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/www.xfce.org xubuntu450
[05:04] <xubuntu450> Confirmed outage...
[05:04] <xubuntu450> This is terrible...
[05:04] <gatton> not working for me
[05:05] <holstein> xubuntu450: it happens... what do you need?
[05:05] <holstein> maybe you can just give them a few hours, or a day
[05:05] <xubuntu450> I will but it worries me
[05:05] <holstein> dont be worried... everything will evenutually go down ;)
[05:07] <xubuntu450> Ok, good that I confirmed it though...
[05:11] <NameIsNotDavid> No luck here either.
[05:12] <NameIsNotDavid> http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/
[05:12] <NameIsNotDavid> Exactly what it says on the tin.
[05:13] <NameIsNotDavid> oh derp. Disregard! Disregard my last two lines!
[06:21] <xubuntu450> well good night and lets hope www.xfce.org rises again...
[06:48] <xubuntu877> hi
[09:49] <livingdaylight> Hi, I'm looking for the default /system backgrounds/wallpapers.
[09:49] <livingdaylight> I am in /usr/share/background but it is empty
[09:49] <livingdaylight> Somone know where else they might be?
[09:52] <knome> livingdaylight, /usr/share/xfce4/backdrops
[09:52] <livingdaylight> knome, thank you.
[09:53] <livingdaylight> Generally gnu/linux is very logical, but in this regard digging around the millions of sub /usr folders is not intuitive
[10:00] <Sysi> check name of some default wallpaper from desktop settings and use catfish
[10:02] <knome> or know the path ;]
[10:06] <Sysi> that's step three
[10:07] <knome> or step one... :)
[10:09] <Unit193> Locate, works wonders and is cli. ;)
[10:11] <knome> Unit193, but needs updatedb in some cases
[10:13] <livingdaylight> yea, "just knowing" comes after :)
[10:14] <livingdaylight> if I did "locate backgrounds" I would have got /usr/share/backgrounds - which is where I was, but not where the backdrops, how was I to know they're called that in xubuntu, were
[10:15] <knome> well in xfce actually :)
[10:15] <livingdaylight> Sysi, catfish?
[10:15] <livingdaylight> right, xfce
[10:16] <livingdaylight> well, NOW I know, lol... still, not as straightforward as it could be, the way things are hidden in /usr/folders/folders/folders
[10:17] <livingdaylight> Yea, I was thinking of adding my wallpapers there for easier access, rather than adding them one by one through the desktop tool. Maybe that's not the best way
[10:17] <Sysi> livingdaylight: search application, installed by default
[10:17] <livingdaylight> Sysi, ?
[10:18] <Sysi> catfish is*
[10:18] <livingdaylight> ahh
[10:19] <livingdaylight> not familiar with the app
[10:19] <livingdaylight> it finds things?
[10:19] <Sysi> yup
[10:21] <livingdaylight> doesn't seem to for me
[10:21] <livingdaylight> at loeast locate backgrounds in command line gave me something
[10:34] <knome> livingdaylight, locate should work in this case. but if you now add a file somewhere, and try to locate it, it isn't found until you run 'sudo updatedb'
[10:34] <livingdaylight> knome, thanks for that tip
[10:34] <knome> np
[10:35] <livingdaylight> using the 'cp' command what argument or what's it called? do I add so I can cp all the contents of a folder rather than just one at a time, please?
[10:35] <livingdaylight> cp -a (a for all) or * (for all) ?
[10:36] <knome> cp -R dir
[10:36] <livingdaylight> knome, why not "gubuntu" :p
[10:36] <knome> why would it be "gubuntu" ?
[10:36] <knome> x for xfce
[10:38] <livingdaylight> knome, referring to your nick and the play on gnome with a 'k' instead
[10:38] <knome> aha, that
[10:38] <knome> well, it's not really a play with gnome and/or kde
[10:38] <knome> or, GNOME and/or KDE
[10:38] <knome> it's just a malformed version of the word "gnome", with no link to any DE
[11:34] <dipnlik> hi, i installed gmate (http://github.com/gmate/gmate) and the themes show up in gedit but not the plugins. any ideas?
[11:48] <xubuntu274> hello, I'm new to irc, a question:
[11:48] <xubuntu274> I have installed xubuntu via netinstall and..
[11:49] <xubuntu274> also choosed (what I can remenber) the kubuntu and lubuntu package..
[11:50] <xubuntu274> but  the computer didnot start with xubuntu but lubuntu. Why??
[11:50] <TheSheep> xubuntu274: why do you think it started with lubuntu?
[11:51] <TheSheep> xubuntu274: you select which desktop environment you want to run on the login screen
[11:52] <xubuntu274> I saw the lubuntu logo and I saw the same interface (lxde?) as my lubuntu pc (other pc)
[11:52] <xubuntu274> I will start my pc again to see which environment I chose
[11:54] <xubuntu274> ok, the pc started with a lubuntu logo..
[11:54] <xubuntu274> and now I can login with Lubuntu as default..
[11:55] <TheSheep> well, it defaults to whatever you used last
[11:55] <TheSheep> but you should be able to choose the other ones too
[11:55] <xubuntu274> also can choose Lubuntu Netbook, Openbox, Xfce sessie and Xubuntu sessie..
[11:55] <TheSheep> yeah
[11:55] <xubuntu274> ok, yesterday I started with the default Lubuntu session..
[11:55] <xubuntu274> I choose now Xubuntu sessie
[11:56] <xubuntu274> ok it did work...
[11:56] <xubuntu274> but isn it strange that the default sesion was Lubuntu when I installed Xubuntu???
[11:57] <TheSheep> xubuntu274: it's probably pretty random -- from the order in which the packages were installed
[11:58] <xubuntu274> ok, tnx for your answers.
[11:58] <TheSheep> xubuntu274: btw, you can change the logo at startup
[11:58] <xubuntu274> ok how :) ??
[11:58] <TheSheep> xubuntu274: with update-alternatives command
[11:59] <TheSheep> let me find the exact command
[11:59] <xubuntu274> tnx you I've googled it. I will try.
[12:00] <xubuntu274> fyi: I had only tried Lubuntu on my old netbook, but Xubuntu is much faster :))
[12:00] <TheSheep> cool
[12:02] <livingdaylight> how would xubuntu be faster than lubuntu?
[12:02] <xubuntu274> well xfce is faster than lxde ??
[12:03] <livingdaylight> should be other way round
[12:04] <xubuntu274> can you tell me why you think lxde is faster than xcfe??..
[12:04] <TheSheep> xubuntu274: I have no opinion on that matter
[12:05] <xubuntu274> because I read every that xcfe is faster and now I see it in practice
[12:05] <xubuntu274> ok TheSheep
[12:08] <xubuntu274> tnx everyone, good day :)
[12:49] <dipnlik> how can I change the system default fixed width font, so gedit's embedded terminal matches xubuntu's terminal?
[12:50] <aquix> in settings -  apperance   there is a tab called font.   I recommend Droid Sans
[12:51] <dipnlik> aquix: there's no option to change the fixed width font in that tab
[12:52] <dipnlik> the only option there is to change the default font, not the default fixed font
[12:53] <aquix> I'm not understanding what  fixed width font  is...     or default fixed font
[12:55] <aquix> like this?  http://xubuntu.wordpress.com/2006/08/09/howto-fix-xfce-fonts/
[12:55] <dipnlik> aquix: no, not like this
[12:56] <dipnlik> a fixed width font is a font where all characters have the same width. it's used by terminal, leafpad, gedit and other programs
[12:57] <dipnlik> leafpad and terminal both have ways to change their fonts but the change is not system-wide
[12:58] <aquix> ah ok. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gw-fonts-ttf/+bug/95357
[13:02] <dipnlik> aquix, ubottu: i'm solving the problem with gsettings and information found here http://askubuntu.com/questions/103616/how-can-i-change-the-color-of-the-text-in-a-terminal-embedded-in-gedit
[13:04] <aquix> ubottu is a bot :)
[13:05] <aquix> thanks for letting us know the solution
[13:05] <dipnlik> aquix: haha, didn't notice that it was a bot
[13:07] <dipnlik> aquix: the question about changing the default fixed width font in xfce is still unanswered, but my issue was directly related to gedit's embedded terminal, so the URL is enough for me
[13:09] <aquix> is it a setting for the font width or just another font you can install?
[13:18] <dipnlik> aquix: i don't want to install another font. i wanted to be able to choose the default fixed width font so other programs would be able to pickup the setting and provide a consistent visual experience
[13:19] <TheSheep> dipnlik: xfce doesn't have a system-wide setting for a fixed width font, gedit is a gnome application and uses gnome's settings
[13:20] <aquix> ah, that explains it
[13:22] <dipnlik> TheSheep: oh, ok, thanks :)
[14:28] <aquix> can you use an animated gif as a wallpaper in xubuntu?    found these  http://imgur.com/a/4Zv5x
[14:28] <holstein> aquix: i would just try it and see... i would think it would work fine
[14:28] <holstein> i forget the last time i tried that and it worked... maybe ubuntu 9.04?
[14:31] <GridCube> no
[14:31] <GridCube> you cant
[14:33] <holstein> maybe http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/tag/desktopnova/ ??
[14:34] <Sysi> you could extract gifs to separate files and have it switch between them, though you need xfce 4.10 to be able to adjust the timing
[14:34] <holstein> i like that... no extra packages added
[14:38] <aquix> ok, thanks
[14:39] <Sysi> somebody should make 3-5 wallpapers with huge staring eye watching to slightly different directions
[14:46] <aquix> hehe, and use the webcam as a motion detector so it follows you around
[15:24] <n2diy> I'm trying to backup a computer using grsync.  There is one file in a directory I've excluded, that I like to backup. I listed that file and it's path in the include file, but it doesn't over ride the exclude file, is it possibly to do this?
[15:31] <mips1911> when my desktop finishes loading chromium & terminal are automatically opened. How do I stop this?
[15:33] <Sysi> mips1911: rm -rf ~ /.cache/sessions
[15:35] <mips1911> let me log out and see if deleting the cache helps
[15:36] <mips1911> Sysi, thanks that did the trick ;) Why does this happen though as I don't have save session on logout configured?
[15:36] <Sysi> you've had it at some point
[15:37] <mips1911> Sysi, yes it was on some time back
[16:06] <pimperle> can anyone here explain me, how dbus and gnome-keyring-daemon get startet during xubuntu startup and user login?
[16:07] <pimperle> i'm trying to get the SSH_AUTH_SOCK variable to be set properly on login, but the keyring daemon doesn't get started
[16:07] <pimperle> at least the ssh-part that is
[16:19] <DarkSim> Howdy :D
[16:19] <knome> hullo
[16:20] <DarkSim> I'm using Ubuntu 12.04 with Xubuntu-desktop. I am having trouble getting my Wacom Bamboo Pen & Touch to work properly with the OS
[16:21] <DarkSim> I think my first step right now is assigning the Touch Mode a hotkey
[16:22] <TheSheep> DarkSim: Touch Mode?
[16:22] <knome> TheSheep, aka the tra-la-la mode
[16:22] <DarkSim> It has this mode which you can turn on and off which makes the whole Tablet act like a...laptop touchpad y'know
[16:23] <DarkSim> For the moment it's on and as you can imagine it's pretty hard to draw in this mode
[16:24] <TheSheep> DarkSim: are you sure it's a feature of the tablet and not of its windows drivers?
[16:24] <DarkSim> It is indeed a feature of the tablet otherwise it would not work
[16:24] <DarkSim> They sell them in diffrent version and this one has a touch mode which you don't need a pen to manouver
[16:25] <DarkSim> I have found some instructions, but I am a rookie in Linux so I don't understand them that clearly
[16:25] <DarkSim> http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/linuxwacom/index.php?title=Wacom_Tablet_Set_Up
[16:26] <TheSheep> DarkSim: that's not a hardware feature, the windows drivers just ignore the touchpad device when that mode is "off"
[16:26] <TheSheep> DarkSim: and the script they posted on the wiki just ignores the device too
[16:27] <DarkSim> Sorry, I don't know how it works apparently xD
[16:27] <DarkSim> Oh ok, so how do I do what they suggest?
[16:27] <TheSheep> DarkSim: you can copy that script, save it somewhere, make it executable and bind to some key with the keyboard settings
[16:28] <TheSheep> DarkSim: first, open a terminal
[16:28] <TheSheep> DarkSim: then type 'nano ~/touchmode.sh'
[16:28] <TheSheep> DarkSim: then copy and paste that script from the wiki into the terminal
[16:29] <TheSheep> make sure the #!/bin/bash line is the very first line of it
[16:29] <TheSheep> then type 'chmod +x ~/touchmode.sh'
[16:29] <TheSheep> that makes it executable
[16:30] <TheSheep> try if it works by typing '~/touchmode.sh' and seeing if it toggles that touch mode
[16:31] <DarkSim> Hm, seems I have done this before just that the old script doesn't work, better do it from the beginning
[16:31] <TheSheep> once you have it, go to the settings manager, select 'keyboard', select the 'application shortcuts' tab and click on '+ Add'
[16:31] <TheSheep> DarkSim: when it "doesn't work" does it show any errors?
[16:31] <DarkSim> It just tells me that it doesn't find it
[16:33] <TheSheep> can you pastebin the exact message?
[16:33] <DarkSim> "Place the script in a file called bin/toggle-touch.sh in your home directory."
[16:34] <DarkSim> do I have to create a bin folder and put a file called toggle-touch.sh in it?
[16:35] <TheSheep> DarkSim: it doesn't matter where you put it, but "bin" directory is the traditional place for such things
[16:35] <DarkSim> chmod: kan inte komma åt ”/home/adrian/toggle_touch.sh”: Filen eller katalogen finns inte
[16:36] <DarkSim> I bet I have to switch the computer to english
[16:36] <TheSheep> DarkSim: did you save it?
[16:37] <TheSheep> DarkSim: sorry, forgot to tell that
[16:37] <DarkSim> first I'm going to set the whole computer to english
[16:38] <DarkSim> so hard to get support in swedish :P
[16:38] <TheSheep> it's a nice language
[16:38] <bazhang> !se | DarkSim
[16:38] <bazhang> if thats easier for you
[16:38] <DarkSim> Thanks
[16:39] <DarkSim> Why must Linux give me a minor headache for every single thing haha
[16:39] <DarkSim> Wait, that's Kubuntu, is there a xubuntu channel for sweden as well?
[16:40] <Sysi> no but general support channel should work
[16:40] <knome> DarkSim, nope, but #ubuntu-se should be able to help
[16:40] <DarkSim> Oh ok, thanks
[16:40] <TheSheep> this sort of general thing is the same for ubuntu and xubuntu
[16:41] <TheSheep> except for the settings manager, which is a little bit different on gnome
[16:41] <Sysi> loco-channels should do xubuntu anyway, even if not guaranteed
[16:55] <DarkSim> Nevermind on my problems in Linux, I will postpone their solving to a later date
[18:07] <shpngld> holstein: Hi there :-) i spoke with u yesterday about my problems w/ nvidia drivers. Today i managed to update my 11.04 to 11.10. Most of the things are OK now, I mean my pc is running, but I cant see any start menu, have to right click and choose applications, which is not a problem. But Im using Flush as a torrent client, and I cant switch to it (alt tab is not workin) I am sure that it is started, but I cant see it
[18:07] <shpngld> what can I do holstein
[18:08] <shpngld> Im usin xfce GI
[18:08] <shpngld> (as begfore)
[18:09] <shpngld> if holstein is away, mayB some1 else can help?
[18:10] <shpngld> ..please ?
[18:11] <drc> shpank: do you have a panel at all or just no menu(s)?
[18:11] <shpngld> nothing at all
[18:12] <shpngld> just desktop and icons
[18:12] <drc> can you open thunar (file manager)?
[18:12] <shpngld> I will try now
[18:13] <shpngld> yes it opens
[18:14] <drc> go to ~/.cache....rename (so you can restore it if necessary) the folder "sessions"
[18:15] <shpngld> there is no such folder in /
[18:16] <drc> try CTRL H to sho hidden (DOT) folders
[18:16] <shpngld> drc: how can i find it
[18:16] <shpngld> ow
[18:17] <drc> CTRL H toggles the hidden folder off and on
[18:17] <shpngld> i did it
[18:17] <shpngld> no such folder ( ia have seen it before..b4 the update)
[18:17] <drc> you have no ~/.cache ?
[18:18] <shpngld> found it!
[18:18] <drc> ~/.cache/sessions renamed?
[18:19] <shpngld> I have to rename the folder sessions?
[18:19] <drc> rename, delete...it's up to you.
[18:20] <shpngld> so the whole folder sessions I will rename it to sessionsbackup in ex?
[18:20] <drc> sounds good
[18:20] <shpngld> okz
[18:20] <shpngld> doin it now
[18:21] <shpngld> done ity
[18:21] <shpngld> now what should i do
[18:21] <drc> When that's done, restart X...either log out and in or reboot...the panel should be back
[18:21] <shpngld> OK ill log out now
[18:26] <shpngld> drc: wow
[18:27] <shpngld> thanks man
[18:27] <shpngld> awesome
[18:27] <shpngld> now i can see the panel :-D
[18:27] <drc> There is probably a way to restart the panel w/o restarting/rebooting, but I don't know what it is.
[18:28] <drc> anyway, you're back to normal :)
[18:28] <shpngld> drc:  It alright , the thing is working
[18:28] <Sysi> drc: xfce4-panel -r, if you wanna learn
[18:28] <shpngld> drc: thanks to u :-)
[18:28] <drc> Sysi: I have :)
[18:29] <shpngld> drc: the other thing is I cant play .mkv files
[18:29] <shpngld> anymore
[18:29] <shpngld> avi is ok
[18:30] <shpngld> Im usin VLC
[18:31] <drc> shpank: no idea, vlc works just fine for me with mkv.
[18:31] <shpngld> yes it was the same be4 the updae
[18:32] <shpngld> mayb i should use mplayer instead
[18:32] <drc> IIRC, vlc contains its own codec, so it shouldn't be dependent on xubuntu
[18:32] <drc> I'd just re-install vlc and see
[18:32] <shpngld> I havent ever had anyprblems w VLC until now..
[18:32] <shpngld> Ok I will try that
[18:34] <shpngld> the same is with Gweather forecast Im usin on google chromium browser..it doesnt load the data
[18:34] <aquix> try downloading gnome-mplayer   or smplayer   to see if the video file inside the mkv isn't bad
[18:34] <shpngld> aquix: Im usin xfce, so mayb i should try w smplayer?
[18:34] <shpngld> does it mastter
[18:35] <aquix> nope, I have both
[18:36] <aquix> you can install gnome programs on xfce
[18:36] <shpngld> aquix: I didnt know that, thanks
[18:36] <aquix> no worries
[18:37] <drc> shpank: I was assuming (yeah, I know) that these mkv files played ok before the update?
[18:37] <drc> sorry shpank
[18:38] <drc> shpngld: ^^
[18:39] <shpngld> drc: smplayer crashed...seeems like the file is corrupted
[18:40] <shpngld> most possibly
[18:40] <aquix> get a better, more private, mkv source ;p
[18:41] <shpngld> the other thing is I have 3 possible driver for my nvidia mx 420, how can I see which is the best. The 1 Im usin now (default) is not "reccommended"
[18:42] <shpngld> the other 1 is and the 3rd is update of the second
[18:42] <shpngld> aquix: mayb  the file isnt d/l correctly
[18:43] <shpngld> ( this is from additional drivers section)
[18:43] <aquix> or somthing happened when they put the video in the mkv.
[18:43] <shpngld> aquix: I ll just try to d/l again..it is not that important
[18:44] <aquix> if vlc plays other videos, I'd do that
[18:44] <drc> shpngld: Have you checked th nividia site to see what is recommed for your card?  Personally, I have always used to "latest-updated" driver available in jockey.
[18:45] <shpngld> sorry drc but what exactly Jockey means?
[18:45] <drc> iirc, the "latest" (in jockey) is 295-49
[18:46] <drc> jockey=additional drivers...at least until 12.10, then I think it changes.
[18:46] <knome> yes, it will be incorporated in the software properties dialog
[18:47] <shpngld> do I have to remoce the current and activate the newer one? any possible interactions?
[18:47] <shpngld> remove*
[18:48] <drc> shpngld: just activate the new one, no need to remove the old one
[18:48] <shpngld> OK, I will do that
[18:50] <shpngld> and last thing ( for now)..Im old school gamer, and woluld like to play some old school stuff, what client u reccommend to use for instalation and running of games?
[18:50] <TheSheep> shpngld: mame
[18:50] <shpngld> well not THAT old school
[18:51] <drc> frotz
[18:51] <TheSheep> shpngld: also dosbox and virtualboyadvance
[18:51] <TheSheep> shpngld: 2005 is too old for you?
[18:51] <shpngld> talin about Diablo 1,2 ;civ 2,3 Heroes 2/3, Disciples..
[18:51] <shpngld> ah no
[18:51] <shpngld> its alright
[18:51] <TheSheep> shpngld: that's not oldschool
[18:52] <drc> :)
[18:52] <TheSheep> heroes 3 has a linux verison
[18:52] <TheSheep> version
[18:52] <TheSheep> heroes 2 runs in dosbox
[18:52] <TheSheep> there is freeciv for linux too
[18:53] <TheSheep> diablo -- forget it, blizzard games don't even run properly on windows
[18:53] <TheSheep> not always
[18:53] <shpngld> so Dosbox, virtualboyadvance, mae
[18:53] <aquix> read about a playstation emulator today, with linux support    http://itm.im/sox8u
[18:53] <shpngld> freeciv, and freecol I have played..good ones 4 sure
[18:53] <TheSheep> shpngld: there are also ps2 emulators
[18:53] <TheSheep> shpngld: be sure to try wesnoth
[18:54] <shpngld> TheSheep: i have heard of it
[18:55] <shpngld> what about the modern MMORPG like Anarchy online and afterworld? do i have a chance w any opf them
[18:55] <shpngld> Lineage?
[18:55] <TheSheep> hmm, I remember there was a linux second life client back when I player it
[18:56] <TheSheep> but they generally don't cater to linux
[18:56] <TheSheep> they might run in wine
[18:56] <shpngld> yes second life..
[18:57] <tech1> i played anarchy online for years
[18:57] <shpngld> pff.. i have a lot to read..
[18:57] <tech1> but gave up waiting for a new engine
[18:57] <shpngld> matyb keep it simple and get some AlienArena deathmatch
[18:58] <TheSheep> there is bound to be more interest once steam for linux releases
[18:58] <shpngld> tech1:  I am really impressed wit Anarchy
[18:58] <shpngld> thats why im askin
[18:58] <TheSheep> I hope it will make also other game makes notice linux
[18:58] <TheSheep> shpngld: ah, of course there is a million quake and doom clones
[18:58] <tech1> its great for free players. but if im going to pay ill pay for something with better updates like eve
[18:59] <shpngld> eve was again MMORPG right?
[18:59] <tech1> eve is an mmo yes
[18:59] <TheSheep> more like massive multiplayer Elite
[18:59] <tech1> its pretty hardcore and unforgiving
[18:59] <tech1> but thats why i like it
[18:59] <tech1> not like WOW disneyworld
[18:59] <shpngld> haha
[19:00] <shpngld> I agree abaout wow disneyworld
[19:00] <tech1> in eve scams and deception are part of the game
[19:00] <shpngld> managed to play it under xubuntu for a while
[19:00] <shpngld> so EVE is pl;ayable under xubuntu
[19:00] <tech1> i think people play eve through wine ok
[19:01] <tech1> but you might want to test the free trial before you get a subscription
[19:01] <shpngld> I am still not ready to pay for play
[19:02] <shpngld> my PC is really old so I hust try to stick to stuff Ive played long ago
[19:02] <shpngld> at least 2-3 yrs
[19:02] <tech1> then anarchy online is your best bet
[19:02] <shpngld> tech1:  I know..I liked it so much
[19:02] <shpngld> it just gave me some long error Log
[19:03] <tech1> ahh strange
[19:03] <tech1> i never tried it under linux so i dont know
[19:03] <shpngld> yes..after "I Agree"
[19:04] <shpngld> I have it installed already...I was tweaked out of my mind a few weekenmds ago and tried to d/l and install various MMORPGs
[19:04] <shpngld> w/out any sucess
[19:04] <tech1> damn
[19:04] <shpngld> Afterworld is another good title for me
[19:04] <shpngld> Postapocalyptic mmorpg
[19:04] <tech1> i havnt tried that
[19:04] <shpngld> these russians are good
[19:05] <shpngld> and the req. arent big
[19:05] <shpngld> I have played it on an even older PC w/ winxp
[19:05] <shpngld> they promise a linux client
[19:05] <shpngld> but..
[19:05] <shpngld> I am not that good
[19:05] <shpngld> it seems
[19:05] <tech1> you could try browser mmos. but they are usually crappy
[19:05] <shpngld> or I dont try hatrd enough
[19:06] <shpngld> EternalLands
[19:06] <shpngld> it doesnt run too
[19:07] <shpngld> anyway..everything started with Anarchy
[19:07] <shpngld> I have another hdd but I dont have tuime to isntall Winxp configure and run Anarchy..foir now
[19:08] <shpngld> ..or become better  @ xubuntu
[19:08] <shpngld> Transport tycoon deluxe was a nice surprise under ubuntu for me
[19:09] <shpngld> it was even better than win vers
[19:09] <tech1> yeh i dont have time for pc gaming atm either. just work on here. and play games on my ps3
[19:09] <tech1> i never tried any of the tycoon games but they look good
[19:09] <shpngld> tech1:  I really reccomed them
[19:09] <shpngld> just awesome
[19:09] <shpngld> if u have time of coutrse
[19:10] <shpngld> Pizza tycoon
[19:10] <shpngld> lol
[19:10] <shpngld> dynopark tycoon
[19:11] <tech1> cool ill look them up some time. i like management stuff
[19:11] <shpngld> anyway thanks a lot for the help guys! i will try to run some old school games..when I have time and properly conf. system
[19:12] <shpngld> yes thay r awesome! I rewccomend
[19:12] <tech1> awsome
[19:24]  * shpngld quits
[19:49] <xubuntu982> d
[19:53] <xubuntu476> quit
[19:54] <TheSheep> xubuntu476: that's "/quit", with a "/" in front
[19:54] <xubuntu476> thanks
[22:29] <nbjensen> Hi all. I've just installed xubuntu on my new vaio, but I cannot control brightness. The laptop is equipped with an intel hd graphics 4000 (no discrete graphics). Any ideas where to start?
[22:36] <xubuntu154> hello
[22:37] <xubuntu154> Wich is better, wine, playwithlinux or others..?¿?
[22:38] <GridCube> nbjensen, you could check if theres a keyboard controller on keytouch that can control the brightness keys, though sadly i've never been able to
[22:38] <GridCube> xubuntu154, what for?
[22:38] <xubuntu154> for play windows games? for example age of empires
[22:39] <GridCube> !appdb
[22:40] <GridCube> they have instructions to how to make them work, and if they work, you should check it :) xubuntu154
[22:42] <GridCube> nbjensen, in my intel classmate netbook i ended binding a keyboard shortcut to use xgamma -gamma 0.5 and xgamma -gamma 1 that works fairly well, though there are better options, like the path here http://askubuntu.com/questions/57236/unable-to-change-brightness-in-a-lenovo-laptop
[22:42] <GridCube> its not the same model but the work should be the same
[22:44] <xubuntu154> yeap, thank you, but the question is .. playwithlinux create some directories, with the better wine version for each application installed.. duplicating wine files..
[22:45] <GridCube> xubuntu154, you should probably ask on #winehq or #playonlinux :D
[22:45] <GridCube> they might know
[22:46] <xubuntu154> :) thx
[22:46] <nbjensen> GridCube: Thanks! The gamma trick is useful, but would like real brightness control and using your link it does seem like the kernel does support it. However nothing happens using the suggested command...
[22:47] <GridCube> yep you probably dont have the appropiate kernel modules or something, never understood how that work
[22:48] <nbjensen> GridCube: It worked using the second command... I've blacked out my laptop now :)
[22:48] <GridCube> :P i hope thats what you wanted
[22:48] <nbjensen> Thanks for your help, now I just need to bind keys to the command... Not exactly ;)
[22:49] <GridCube> nbjensen, :) good luck