/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2012/08/09/#kubuntu-devel.txt

BluesKajRiddell, I just switched over to 12.04 , but your private ppa isn't allowing me access to \00:14
BluesKajcalligra00:14
BluesKajit's probly much too lte there ,, so I''ll try again tomorrow00:16
BluesKajok , somebody added the new 2.5 calligra to the backports ..installing now00:36
Tm_TI thought people here might be interested, http://www.4-traders.com/news/Digia-to-Acquire-Qt-from-Nokia--14452993/06:29
ScottKTm_T: Thanks.06:30
ScottKI'm guessing that almost anything is better than staying with the sinking ship that is Nokia.06:33
Tm_TScottK: I don't have high confident with Digia either though06:36
ScottKWell, at least they are making money with it.06:37
Tm_TScottK: true, and are hopefully willing to work on it, instead of leaving it to limbo06:37
ScottKWell, due to http://www.kde.org/community/whatiskde/kdefreeqtfoundation.php they'll be highly motivated.  If Qt ever gets BSD'ed then their commercial revenue goes way south immediately.06:38
debfxScottK: did you run kubuntu-ppa-build-status for KDE 4.8.5?09:34
agateaushadeslayer_: hey, you tried to ping me a few days ago, what's up09:56
debfxRiddell: ksplash still has horos as background10:09
Riddelloh foo10:10
debfxwe should just patch ksplash/ksplashx/themes/CMakeLists.txt to remove horos10:10
=== Quintasan_ is now known as Quintasan
Riddelldebfx: agreed, do you want to do that or shall I?10:12
* Riddell makes it so10:15
Quintasandebfx: weak-library-dev-dependency libmaliit1-dev on libmaliit1 (>= ${source:Version})10:23
Quintasanif I go binary:Version it complains about the same thing10:23
Quintasanhell10:28
Quintasanstarting from scratch10:28
Quintasan!@$%!#$@!10:39
shadeslayeragateau: well ... KMessageWidget won't show up when you're doing a video call ( hidden by the video sink I believe ), but there's no way to reproduce that till someone writes a Test bot 10:39
shadeslayerQuintasan: <310:39
Quintasanshadeslayer: ${misc:Depends} how does this crap work?10:39
Quintasancan't find anything in manual10:39
Quintasanand debelper complains about lack of it in a dev package10:39
shadeslayerQuintasan: "Some debhelper commands may cause the generated package to depend on some additional packages. All such commands generate a list of required packages for each binary package. This list is used for substituting ${misc:Depends}."10:40
shadeslayerQuintasan: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/dreq.en.html10:40
QuintasanSo it's basically wanted for every package10:40
Quintasanno idea why dh-make omits that for dev10:41
agateaushadeslayer_: iirc the way it is setup in the ui file is KMessageWidget is a child of the widget showing the video, right?10:41
agateaushadeslayer_: you should try moving it to be a sibling of this widget instead of a child10:41
shadeslayerah .. mm .. will try10:42
shadeslayerthough it's really hard to actually test if it's working properly :P10:42
shadeslayersince just flipping the bits won't work in this case10:43
agateauheh10:43
shadeslayeryou really do need to introduce a error while holding the call10:43
shadeslayerfor which, we need to write a test bot10:43
agateaujust add a QTimer::singleShot(500, errorWidget, SLOT(animatedShow());10:43
shadeslayerhmm .. that sounds doable10:44
BluesKaj'Morning10:47
shadeslayerHi BluesKaj10:47
BluesKajtried calligra 2.5 on 12.04 , mainly simple things like opening textfile ... no breakage or freezing 10:49
BluesKajtextfiles10:49
RiddellBluesKaj: great, thanks10:49
BluesKajI'm not a big office app user tho , so my testing is rather limited10:51
debfxQuintasan: it should be (= ${binary:Version})10:54
Quintasandebfx: Thanks, but I started from scratch, that PPA packaging is a PITA10:54
Quintasanshadeslayer: Great, it uses qmake10:57
QuintasanxD10:57
shadeslayerwhat uses qmake?10:57
shadeslayermaliit?10:57
QuintasanYeah10:58
shadeslayerah ok10:59
shadeslayerand I'm going to upload the new virtuoso and fixed nepomuk in an another hour or so ... 10:59
shadeslayercmagina: have you seen any issues with the patched nepomuk?11:00
Quintasanshadeslayer: I think I managed to condense http://paste.kde.org/531278 into http://paste.kde.org/53128411:00
Quintasanfml11:02
shadeslayerspace := $(empty) $(empty)11:02
shadeslayerhah11:02
QuintasanI have no idea what's all this stuff11:02
shadeslayerme neither11:02
QuintasanWHY THE HELL DO I NEED GDB TO BUILD TESTS11:02
QuintasanTHIS IS RIDICULOUS11:02
shadeslayerlolwot11:03
QuintasanReally11:03
shadeslayerfun :)11:03
QuintasanIt complains about missing gdb during build process11:03
Quintasan+ I get FTBFS on release tarball11:03
Quintasanmikhas has some splainin' to do here11:03
shadeslayerapachelogger_: pingly11:03
shadeslayer:D11:04
QuintasanOR I'm doing something wrong11:04
QuintasanAw shit11:04
QuintasanGotta go return the crappy cable11:04
shadeslayerapachelogger_: do you have a idea what happens if one links a videoscale element to a xvimagesink? is gstreamer smart enough to use hardware to scale the video instead of software even though we have a videoscale element in the pipeline11:05
Quintasanasdasdasdasds11:38
Quintasanshadeslayer: copy paste your pbuilderrc11:38
QuintasanThis retarded pbuilder still uses make -j111:38
Quintasanwhereas I could use -j511:38
shadeslayerQuintasan: http://paste.kde.org/53131411:41
QuintasanHELL11:41
QuintasanIT WANTS AN X SESSSION TO RUN TESTS?11:41
Quintasanlawd11:41
shadeslayerthat's .. common11:42
QuintasanHow do I deal with it?11:42
shadeslayeriirc you can do that, I don't recall the name of the program though11:42
shadeslayerfakeX11:43
shadeslayeror something11:43
QuintasanSame hre11:43
QuintasanCan't remember the name11:43
QuintasanxD11:43
shadeslayeraha11:43
shadeslayerxvfb11:43
shadeslayerQuintasan: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xvfb11:43
shadeslayer!info xvfb11:44
ubottuxvfb (source: xorg-server): Virtual Framebuffer 'fake' X server. In component main, is optional. Version 2:1.11.4-0ubuntu10.1 (precise), package size 869 kB, installed size 2112 kB11:44
Quintasanshadeslayer: Eh, failed11:51
QuintasanCore dumped on one and more tests11:51
shadeslayerQuintasan: need more info than that11:51
Quintasandamnit11:51
shadeslayerfwiw I've only seen xvfb being used by one package to test stuff11:51
shadeslayerand now I can't recall which package it ws11:52
shadeslayer*was11:52
Quintasanwell11:52
QuintasanI need a break11:52
Quintasanbeen fighting with it all morning11:52
Quintasanbbl11:52
shadeslayer:)11:52
apachelogger_shadeslayer: terribly unlikely12:03
shadeslayerouch12:03
shadeslayerapachelogger_: so the issue is, ktp-call-ui uses xvimagesink to build a videosink to display the video12:03
shadeslayerbut, when you don't have xvimagesink, ktp-call-ui won't work12:04
shadeslayerso I added a fallbackoption to ximagesink12:04
shadeslayerapachelogger_: http://quickgit.kde.org/index.php?p=scratch%2Fgarg%2Fktp-call-ui.git&a=commitdiff&h=2b7cf28ff54e35ea14b68e70176dc2d1e885e883&hp=6de1dd5ab5335ebadd0ce940173674074eb12b0812:04
apachelogger_shadeslayer: and why do you care about people not having xvimagesink?12:12
shadeslayerapachelogger_: because I don't have xvimagesink12:12
shadeslayersince my ATI card is too new12:12
shadeslayerand the driver doesn't do xvimagesink12:12
* apachelogger_ finds that hard believe12:13
shadeslayer% xvinfo                                                                                                                                                                     shadeslayer@solembum12:13
shadeslayerX-Video Extension version 2.212:13
shadeslayerscreen #012:13
shadeslayer no adaptors present12:13
shadeslayerapachelogger_: ^ 12:13
apachelogger_that's not saying anything about the state of your system :P12:16
apachelogger_only that as a result of something you have no xv :P12:16
shadeslayerapachelogger_: this is a brand new install :P12:17
shadeslayerwith just some dev tools installed12:17
apachelogger_so?12:17
apachelogger_install of what?12:17
shadeslayerof the entire system?12:18
apachelogger_....12:18
shadeslayerapachelogger_: I haven't installed the proprietary drivers12:18
shadeslayerI believe they have xv support, but not the opensource ones12:18
shadeslayer"[ 6385.464634] chromium-browse invoked oom-killer: gfp_mask=0x201da, order=0, oom_adj=1, oom_score_adj=100"12:22
shadeslayeryay12:23
debfxI didn't know NASA could build such hilarious robots: https://twitter.com/SarcasticRover12:24
Riddelldebfx: :)12:30
RiddellScottK: so did you do the calligra security update in 12.04 ?12:32
ScottKRiddell: Yes.  The security team has it and is working it.12:34
Riddellcool12:36
shadeslayerubottu: ping12:38
ubottuanother contentless ping... sigh...12:38
Riddelloh cool we have both a telepathy-qt and telepathy-qt4 in the archive13:18
QuintasanRiddell: Is that bad?13:24
RiddellQuintasan: well yes they're the same source package and produce the same binaries, I've removed telepathy-qt4 now13:25
QuintasanScottK: lal, regarding my network problems, I found a long eth cable in garage and bought the female connector you linked me to. The cable from my sis room to pc room seems to be broken because when I swapped it with the cable I found in the garage  and dragged it downstairs and plugged it in everything works with 100mbps13:26
QuintasanScottK: I'm still curious how this hub makes the whole thing work when it obviously shouldn't13:26
QuintasanRiddell: Oh, okay13:27
QuintasanRiddell: It'd be nice if you had me modify the seeds sometimes, never done that and would like to try it.13:27
RiddellQuintasan: I'll try and remember next time it needs it13:28
QuintasanRiddell: Thanks.13:29
QuintasanRiddell: If we were to put maliit in repos it would land in universe?13:30
RiddellQuintasan: yep13:32
Riddellassuming it's free software13:32
QuintasanRiddell: Can I skip packaging tests for it then? Those tests require gdb and (worse) running X session. Xvfb doesn't solve the problem because the tests SEGFAULT on me13:33
RiddellQuintasan: yeah I think that's understandable13:34
* shadeslayer has been working with seeds for the past week13:36
shadeslayeractually, make that two weeks :P13:36
cmaginashadeslayer: i didn't have any issues with the updated nepomuk, so if you haven't uploaded it, go for it :)14:14
Riddellthanks for testing cmagina 14:17
cmaginanp, thanks for patching it shadeslayer, was a nasty bug14:18
RiddellI wonder if we should allow installing owncloud apps by default14:30
Riddellinstalls from http://apps.owncloud.com14:30
Riddellbut disabled by debian14:30
RiddellBlizzz: is there any security on that site?14:30
BlizzzRiddell: we are discussing a review system for apps, but so far there is none14:33
Riddellyeah, that's debian's issue with it14:37
Blizzzif you want to be on the safe side turn it off14:38
Blizzzisn't there the same issue with  Mozillas Add Ons?14:39
RiddellI don't know, I don't have an opinion yet14:40
BlizzzTheoretically it's possible to write evil apps that only show a fluffy bunny but send things away. Afaik it did not happen yet, but that's why we will need some review system eventually 14:43
shadeslayer:)14:43
* shadeslayer hits upload14:44
shadeslayerhm14:46
shadeslayer kde-workspace-bin : Depends: kde-workspace-data (= 4:4.9.0-0ubuntu3) but 4:4.9.0-0ubuntu2 is to be installed14:46
shadeslayermaybe not published?14:47
shadeslayernope, it's there14:48
Riddellarchive scew14:48
jtechidnaprobably i386 hasn't built yet14:48
shadeslayerbut I'm not using a mirror14:48
shadeslayerjtechidna: nope, it's there14:48
shadeslayerI'm using the main repo, archive.ubuntu.com ...14:49
jtechidnai386 packages not synced yet?14:49
Riddellgolly a whole new digikam14:49
jtechidnahmm14:49
jtechidnanvm, you said you weren't using a mirror14:49
Riddellwait and it'll sort itself out14:50
shadeslayerRiddell: yeah14:56
shadeslayerand wtf, why can't I upload nepomuk14:56
shadeslayerthat's just mental14:56
shadeslayerand my X keeps taking up 60% of the memory14:56
shadeslayeris nepomuk not in the kubuntu packageset?14:58
shadeslayeror was I kicked out of kubuntu dev :P14:59
shadeslayernope, still there14:59
shadeslayerRiddell: ^ nepomuk needs fixing to be in the kubuntu packageset apparently15:01
Riddellshadeslayer: fooey, do e-mail cjwatson about it15:02
Riddellshadeslayer: need me to upload?15:02
shadeslayerplease do15:02
shadeslayervirtuoso as well15:02
shadeslayerthey're here : https://launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/experimental/+packages15:03
shadeslayeralthough15:03
shadeslayerRiddell: please re check virtuoso15:03
shadeslayerbecause it's the first time I've looked into virtuoso so I wasn't very familiar with it15:03
shadeslayerapachelogger_: apparently gst is smart enough to use hardware video decoding when using xvimagesink and videoscale in the same pipe15:04
Riddellvirtuoso is sufficiently complex you need to be a vHanda to be familiar with it15:05
shadeslayeror a trueg :P15:05
shadeslayerI just made sure that everything in README.source was followed ....15:07
RiddellBlizzz: hmm it downloads apps to /usr/share/owncloud when we would need it to write to /var/lib/owncloud, any idea what it would take to change that?15:10
BlizzzRiddell: i'd say /var/lib/owncloud should be written to the config file in the apps_path array (compare config/config.sample.php on the bottom)15:12
debfxare the apps authenticated somehow? like downloaded via https?15:17
Riddelldebfx: since I think anyone can upload to that site there wouldn't be much advantage in that15:19
Riddellshadeslayer: uploaded15:20
Riddellhey shadeslayer, would your shiny server be suitable for a kubuntu owncloud instance? :)15:20
shadeslayerRiddell: depends, just for testing?15:21
shadeslayerand how much space do you need ?15:22
Riddellnah, I'm wondering where to store receipts for AWS, and wouldn't it be fun to have a kubuntu music server :)15:24
debfxRiddell: it would protect against MITM attacks15:25
shadeslayer:D15:26
shadeslayerRiddell: my server only has 15GB's of space, and I think the usage is currently about 75%15:26
shadeslayerRiddell: keep a eye on http://doesbuyvmhavestock.com/15:27
shadeslayerthey have really cheap VPS's15:27
shadeslayersigh15:49
shadeslayerkwin is taking up 1.5G's of pix memory15:49
ScottKQuintasan: Do you remember me telling you "It's always the cable"?15:59
ScottKI'm guessing the hub works because then the speed negotiation between the arm box and the hub gets the 100Mbps rate that the arm box needs16:00
ScottKThe bad cable isn't dead, just has a broken conductor with poor connectivity, so it'll work at the lower data rate.16:00
ScottK(similar to how 10 base T ethernet cable lengths are much longer than 100 base T which are longer than gigabit ethernet.16:01
shadeslayerheh16:02
=== cjwatson_ is now known as cjwatson
vHandashadeslayer: Riddell: Need any help?16:19
shadeslayergah16:19
shadeslayerRiddell: did you upload virtuoso with ppa1? :P16:20
vHandaI'll take that as a no16:20
shadeslayeryeah, he already uploaded it :)16:21
Riddellhmm did I?16:37
Riddelloh, doh16:37
shadeslayer:)16:39
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shadeslayeryay, upgrade screwed up so many things19:05
shadeslayerlightdm now doesn't detect my stable KDE session19:05
shadeslayerbacklight cannot be controlled on display19:05
shadeslayerthat's weird19:07
shadeslayerdidn't have kubuntu-desktop installed O_O19:07
Riddellshadeslayer: what sort of upgrade did you do?20:01
shadeslayerRiddell: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade ?20:01
Riddelloh well, that's not supported :)20:02
shadeslayerwait what ? :P20:02
Riddellrelease upgrade tool is20:05
Riddellhmm, what happened this week to report to the release meeting?20:05
shadeslayerno, what I meant was, I was on quantal, and I ran : sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade20:07
* shadeslayer looks at apt.log20:07
shadeslayeryep, last dist-ugprade removed kubuntu-desktop20:07
shadeslayerfor those interested : http://paste.kde.org/531620/20:08
shadeslayerline 1220:08
Riddellmore archive skew?20:17
micahgshadeslayer: are you running -proposed?20:21
shadeslayerI think so, need to check20:22
shadeslayeryes20:22
micahgshadeslayer: don't run devel -proposed :)20:22
shadeslayerheh :P20:23
shadeslayerI wanted to test whether the new X stack fixed the mem leaks on my system :P20:23
micahgah, ok20:23
shadeslayerwhich I think it does20:23
shadeslayerX is idling at 4.3 % of mem rather than shooting upto 60%20:24
shadeslayerso, I was wondering, the live cd uses syslinux to boot the live system right?20:25
Riddellshadeslayer: I think so20:49
pedahzurSo, I see https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-bugs and https://bugs.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-bugs, but no obvious way to create bugs (at least there). What is the procedure now for opening bugs against Kubuntu packages? There is no Kubuntu project in Launchpad.21:39
Riddellpedahzur: kubuntu is part of ubuntu so it's the same as for any ubuntu package21:41
Riddellpedahzur: if it's an upstream KDE bug report to bugs.kde.org, else ubuntu-bug <packagename> should do it21:41
pedahzurRiddell: OK, so even though Canonical is no longer supporting Kubuntu, I report them under Ubuntu.  Actually for the bug I was going to report, there is already an upstream report, but I was going to create a launchpad bug that tracked that bug so I'd know if/when the fix made it in to Kubuntu packages.21:44
pedahzurHmm...I thought there was an option on the bug report form to track it up stream.21:52
micahgpedahzur: there are 4 other non-Canonical directly supported derivatives in the Ubuntu archive besides Kubuntu21:58
shadeslayerpedahzur: there is ... there's something called  "Also affects"21:59
micahgpedahzur: Ubuntu is a community project of which Canonical is one corporate sponsor of resources (albeit a very large one)22:00
pedahzurmicahg: I (somewhat) understand the structure, but wasn't there an announcement not too long ago, that Canonical was no longer going to support Kubuntu at all? (at least not by funding developers).22:03
ScottKpedahzur: But it's still part of Ubuntu the distro.22:04
micahgpedahzur: umm, that just means not funding the developer they used to or to press actual CDs22:04
pedahzurScottK: OK, that makes sense.22:05
pedahzurmicahg: Gotcha.22:05
pedahzurshadeslayer: OK, the also affects project doesn't give me an option for adding a URL. Also affects distribution gives me an error that I can't add bug watches for Ubuntu, since launchpad is its tracker. I could *swear* I had seen somebody link to bugs.kde.org at some point in the past (and not just in a comment). Ah well, I've added the URL in a comment.22:08
shadeslayerpedahzur: can you link me to the bug22:08
pedahzurshadeslayer: Bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/+bug/1035105    on KDE: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=30486622:09
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1035105 in Kubuntu PPA "filter agent crashes when trying to filter messages" [Undecided,New]22:09
ubottuKDE bug 304866 in Mail Filter Agent "filter agent crashes when trying to filter messages" [Critical,Unconfirmed]22:09
pedahzurSorry, didn't mean to be a pain...I thought it was a quick, simple answer.22:10
shadeslayerno problem ;)22:10
shadeslayerpedahzur: done ... I think22:11
pedahzurAh, cool. OK...now how did you do that? :)22:12
shadeslayerpedahzur: "Also affects distribution"22:12
shadeslayeryeah, it's weird22:12
pedahzurshadeslayer: What did you select as the distro? What did you use as the source package name?  Anything different than I did?22:13
shadeslayerpedahzur: I added the bug link and selected the project as Akonadi22:13
shadeslayeraccidentally set it as mandriva first ( too sleepy to notice that in the first go )22:14
* shadeslayer heads to bed22:14
pedahzurshadeslayer: here? https://bugs.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/+bug/1035105/+distrotask But I don't see an Akonadi link... OK...g'nite! Sleep well. :)22:14
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1035105 in Kubuntu PPA "filter agent crashes when trying to filter messages" [Undecided,New]22:14
shadeslayerpedahzur: set source package name as akonadi22:15
shadeslayerand then add the url22:15
shadeslayeroh hmm22:15
pedahzurActually, isn't the source package kmail? :)22:16
shadeslayersec22:16
shadeslayerpedahzur: upstream bug report says akonadi22:17
pedahzurAh, you're right.  But it is in the kmail package, if I do a dpkg -S. But we'll go with their bug tracker.22:17
pedahzurshadeslayer: Thanks for all your help! Much appreciated!22:17
shadeslayerpedahzur: so I've removed the bug watch, now you can add it this way22:17
shadeslayerclick on Also affects project22:17
shadeslayerthen set the project as akonadi22:18
shadeslayerclick continue22:18
shadeslayerenter the bug url22:18
shadeslayerthen click on continue again22:18
shadeslayerprofit22:19
shadeslayer;)22:19
pedahzurshadeslayer: Sweet! I knew I'd seen it before...just the terminology was confusing me. Much thanks.22:19
shadeslayeryeah, it's a bit confusing22:19
* shadeslayer heads to bed22:19
shadeslayernight everyone22:19
pedahzurshadeslayer: night!22:20

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