[00:14] <BluesKaj> Riddell, I just switched over to 12.04 , but your private ppa isn't allowing me access to \
[00:14] <BluesKaj> calligra
[00:16] <BluesKaj> it's probly much too lte there ,, so I''ll try again tomorrow
[00:36] <BluesKaj> ok , somebody added the new 2.5 calligra to the backports ..installing now
[06:29] <Tm_T> I thought people here might be interested, http://www.4-traders.com/news/Digia-to-Acquire-Qt-from-Nokia--14452993/
[06:30] <ScottK> Tm_T: Thanks.
[06:33] <ScottK> I'm guessing that almost anything is better than staying with the sinking ship that is Nokia.
[06:36] <Tm_T> ScottK: I don't have high confident with Digia either though
[06:37] <ScottK> Well, at least they are making money with it.
[06:37] <Tm_T> ScottK: true, and are hopefully willing to work on it, instead of leaving it to limbo
[06:38] <ScottK> Well, due to http://www.kde.org/community/whatiskde/kdefreeqtfoundation.php they'll be highly motivated.  If Qt ever gets BSD'ed then their commercial revenue goes way south immediately.
[09:34] <debfx> ScottK: did you run kubuntu-ppa-build-status for KDE 4.8.5?
[09:56] <agateau> shadeslayer_: hey, you tried to ping me a few days ago, what's up
[10:09] <debfx> Riddell: ksplash still has horos as background
[10:10] <Riddell> oh foo
[10:10] <debfx> we should just patch ksplash/ksplashx/themes/CMakeLists.txt to remove horos
[10:12] <Riddell> debfx: agreed, do you want to do that or shall I?
[10:15]  * Riddell makes it so
[10:23] <Quintasan> debfx: weak-library-dev-dependency libmaliit1-dev on libmaliit1 (>= ${source:Version})
[10:23] <Quintasan> if I go binary:Version it complains about the same thing
[10:28] <Quintasan> hell
[10:28] <Quintasan> starting from scratch
[10:39] <Quintasan> !@$%!#$@!
[10:39] <shadeslayer> agateau: well ... KMessageWidget won't show up when you're doing a video call ( hidden by the video sink I believe ), but there's no way to reproduce that till someone writes a Test bot 
[10:39] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: <3
[10:39] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: ${misc:Depends} how does this crap work?
[10:39] <Quintasan> can't find anything in manual
[10:39] <Quintasan> and debelper complains about lack of it in a dev package
[10:40] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: "Some debhelper commands may cause the generated package to depend on some additional packages. All such commands generate a list of required packages for each binary package. This list is used for substituting ${misc:Depends}."
[10:40] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/dreq.en.html
[10:40] <Quintasan> So it's basically wanted for every package
[10:41] <Quintasan> no idea why dh-make omits that for dev
[10:41] <agateau> shadeslayer_: iirc the way it is setup in the ui file is KMessageWidget is a child of the widget showing the video, right?
[10:41] <agateau> shadeslayer_: you should try moving it to be a sibling of this widget instead of a child
[10:42] <shadeslayer> ah .. mm .. will try
[10:42] <shadeslayer> though it's really hard to actually test if it's working properly :P
[10:43] <shadeslayer> since just flipping the bits won't work in this case
[10:43] <agateau> heh
[10:43] <shadeslayer> you really do need to introduce a error while holding the call
[10:43] <shadeslayer> for which, we need to write a test bot
[10:43] <agateau> just add a QTimer::singleShot(500, errorWidget, SLOT(animatedShow());
[10:44] <shadeslayer> hmm .. that sounds doable
[10:47] <BluesKaj> 'Morning
[10:47] <shadeslayer> Hi BluesKaj
[10:49] <BluesKaj> tried calligra 2.5 on 12.04 , mainly simple things like opening textfile ... no breakage or freezing 
[10:49] <BluesKaj> textfiles
[10:49] <Riddell> BluesKaj: great, thanks
[10:51] <BluesKaj> I'm not a big office app user tho , so my testing is rather limited
[10:54] <debfx> Quintasan: it should be (= ${binary:Version})
[10:54] <Quintasan> debfx: Thanks, but I started from scratch, that PPA packaging is a PITA
[10:57] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: Great, it uses qmake
[10:57] <Quintasan> xD
[10:57] <shadeslayer> what uses qmake?
[10:57] <shadeslayer> maliit?
[10:58] <Quintasan> Yeah
[10:59] <shadeslayer> ah ok
[10:59] <shadeslayer> and I'm going to upload the new virtuoso and fixed nepomuk in an another hour or so ... 
[11:00] <shadeslayer> cmagina: have you seen any issues with the patched nepomuk?
[11:00] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: I think I managed to condense http://paste.kde.org/531278 into http://paste.kde.org/531284
[11:02] <Quintasan> fml
[11:02] <shadeslayer> space := $(empty) $(empty)
[11:02] <shadeslayer> hah
[11:02] <Quintasan> I have no idea what's all this stuff
[11:02] <shadeslayer> me neither
[11:02] <Quintasan> WHY THE HELL DO I NEED GDB TO BUILD TESTS
[11:02] <Quintasan> THIS IS RIDICULOUS
[11:03] <shadeslayer> lolwot
[11:03] <Quintasan> Really
[11:03] <shadeslayer> fun :)
[11:03] <Quintasan> It complains about missing gdb during build process
[11:03] <Quintasan> + I get FTBFS on release tarball
[11:03] <Quintasan> mikhas has some splainin' to do here
[11:03] <shadeslayer> apachelogger_: pingly
[11:04] <shadeslayer> :D
[11:04] <Quintasan> OR I'm doing something wrong
[11:04] <Quintasan> Aw shit
[11:04] <Quintasan> Gotta go return the crappy cable
[11:05] <shadeslayer> apachelogger_: do you have a idea what happens if one links a videoscale element to a xvimagesink? is gstreamer smart enough to use hardware to scale the video instead of software even though we have a videoscale element in the pipeline
[11:38] <Quintasan> asdasdasdasds
[11:38] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: copy paste your pbuilderrc
[11:38] <Quintasan> This retarded pbuilder still uses make -j1
[11:38] <Quintasan> whereas I could use -j5
[11:41] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: http://paste.kde.org/531314
[11:41] <Quintasan> HELL
[11:41] <Quintasan> IT WANTS AN X SESSSION TO RUN TESTS?
[11:41] <Quintasan> lawd
[11:42] <shadeslayer> that's .. common
[11:42] <Quintasan> How do I deal with it?
[11:42] <shadeslayer> iirc you can do that, I don't recall the name of the program though
[11:43] <shadeslayer> fakeX
[11:43] <shadeslayer> or something
[11:43] <Quintasan> Same hre
[11:43] <Quintasan> Can't remember the name
[11:43] <Quintasan> xD
[11:43] <shadeslayer> aha
[11:43] <shadeslayer> xvfb
[11:43] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xvfb
[11:44] <shadeslayer> !info xvfb
[11:51] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: Eh, failed
[11:51] <Quintasan> Core dumped on one and more tests
[11:51] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: need more info than that
[11:51] <Quintasan> damnit
[11:51] <shadeslayer> fwiw I've only seen xvfb being used by one package to test stuff
[11:52] <shadeslayer> and now I can't recall which package it ws
[11:52] <shadeslayer> *was
[11:52] <Quintasan> well
[11:52] <Quintasan> I need a break
[11:52] <Quintasan> been fighting with it all morning
[11:52] <Quintasan> bbl
[11:52] <shadeslayer> :)
[12:03] <apachelogger_> shadeslayer: terribly unlikely
[12:03] <shadeslayer> ouch
[12:03] <shadeslayer> apachelogger_: so the issue is, ktp-call-ui uses xvimagesink to build a videosink to display the video
[12:04] <shadeslayer> but, when you don't have xvimagesink, ktp-call-ui won't work
[12:04] <shadeslayer> so I added a fallbackoption to ximagesink
[12:04] <shadeslayer> apachelogger_: http://quickgit.kde.org/index.php?p=scratch%2Fgarg%2Fktp-call-ui.git&a=commitdiff&h=2b7cf28ff54e35ea14b68e70176dc2d1e885e883&hp=6de1dd5ab5335ebadd0ce940173674074eb12b08
[12:12] <apachelogger_> shadeslayer: and why do you care about people not having xvimagesink?
[12:12] <shadeslayer> apachelogger_: because I don't have xvimagesink
[12:12] <shadeslayer> since my ATI card is too new
[12:12] <shadeslayer> and the driver doesn't do xvimagesink
[12:13]  * apachelogger_ finds that hard believe
[12:13] <shadeslayer> % xvinfo                                                                                                                                                                     shadeslayer@solembum
[12:13] <shadeslayer> X-Video Extension version 2.2
[12:13] <shadeslayer> screen #0
[12:13] <shadeslayer>  no adaptors present
[12:13] <shadeslayer> apachelogger_: ^ 
[12:16] <apachelogger_> that's not saying anything about the state of your system :P
[12:16] <apachelogger_> only that as a result of something you have no xv :P
[12:17] <shadeslayer> apachelogger_: this is a brand new install :P
[12:17] <shadeslayer> with just some dev tools installed
[12:17] <apachelogger_> so?
[12:17] <apachelogger_> install of what?
[12:18] <shadeslayer> of the entire system?
[12:18] <apachelogger_> ....
[12:18] <shadeslayer> apachelogger_: I haven't installed the proprietary drivers
[12:18] <shadeslayer> I believe they have xv support, but not the opensource ones
[12:22] <shadeslayer> "[ 6385.464634] chromium-browse invoked oom-killer: gfp_mask=0x201da, order=0, oom_adj=1, oom_score_adj=100"
[12:23] <shadeslayer> yay
[12:24] <debfx> I didn't know NASA could build such hilarious robots: https://twitter.com/SarcasticRover
[12:30] <Riddell> debfx: :)
[12:32] <Riddell> ScottK: so did you do the calligra security update in 12.04 ?
[12:34] <ScottK> Riddell: Yes.  The security team has it and is working it.
[12:36] <Riddell> cool
[12:38] <shadeslayer> ubottu: ping
[13:18] <Riddell> oh cool we have both a telepathy-qt and telepathy-qt4 in the archive
[13:24] <Quintasan> Riddell: Is that bad?
[13:25] <Riddell> Quintasan: well yes they're the same source package and produce the same binaries, I've removed telepathy-qt4 now
[13:26] <Quintasan> ScottK: lal, regarding my network problems, I found a long eth cable in garage and bought the female connector you linked me to. The cable from my sis room to pc room seems to be broken because when I swapped it with the cable I found in the garage  and dragged it downstairs and plugged it in everything works with 100mbps
[13:26] <Quintasan> ScottK: I'm still curious how this hub makes the whole thing work when it obviously shouldn't
[13:27] <Quintasan> Riddell: Oh, okay
[13:27] <Quintasan> Riddell: It'd be nice if you had me modify the seeds sometimes, never done that and would like to try it.
[13:28] <Riddell> Quintasan: I'll try and remember next time it needs it
[13:29] <Quintasan> Riddell: Thanks.
[13:30] <Quintasan> Riddell: If we were to put maliit in repos it would land in universe?
[13:32] <Riddell> Quintasan: yep
[13:32] <Riddell> assuming it's free software
[13:33] <Quintasan> Riddell: Can I skip packaging tests for it then? Those tests require gdb and (worse) running X session. Xvfb doesn't solve the problem because the tests SEGFAULT on me
[13:34] <Riddell> Quintasan: yeah I think that's understandable
[13:36]  * shadeslayer has been working with seeds for the past week
[13:36] <shadeslayer> actually, make that two weeks :P
[14:14] <cmagina> shadeslayer: i didn't have any issues with the updated nepomuk, so if you haven't uploaded it, go for it :)
[14:17] <Riddell> thanks for testing cmagina 
[14:18] <cmagina> np, thanks for patching it shadeslayer, was a nasty bug
[14:30] <Riddell> I wonder if we should allow installing owncloud apps by default
[14:30] <Riddell> installs from http://apps.owncloud.com
[14:30] <Riddell> but disabled by debian
[14:30] <Riddell> Blizzz: is there any security on that site?
[14:33] <Blizzz> Riddell: we are discussing a review system for apps, but so far there is none
[14:37] <Riddell> yeah, that's debian's issue with it
[14:38] <Blizzz> if you want to be on the safe side turn it off
[14:39] <Blizzz> isn't there the same issue with  Mozillas Add Ons?
[14:40] <Riddell> I don't know, I don't have an opinion yet
[14:43] <Blizzz> Theoretically it's possible to write evil apps that only show a fluffy bunny but send things away. Afaik it did not happen yet, but that's why we will need some review system eventually 
[14:43] <shadeslayer> :)
[14:44]  * shadeslayer hits upload
[14:46] <shadeslayer> hm
[14:46] <shadeslayer>  kde-workspace-bin : Depends: kde-workspace-data (= 4:4.9.0-0ubuntu3) but 4:4.9.0-0ubuntu2 is to be installed
[14:47] <shadeslayer> maybe not published?
[14:48] <shadeslayer> nope, it's there
[14:48] <Riddell> archive scew
[14:48] <jtechidna> probably i386 hasn't built yet
[14:48] <shadeslayer> but I'm not using a mirror
[14:48] <shadeslayer> jtechidna: nope, it's there
[14:49] <shadeslayer> I'm using the main repo, archive.ubuntu.com ...
[14:49] <jtechidna> i386 packages not synced yet?
[14:49] <Riddell> golly a whole new digikam
[14:49] <jtechidna> hmm
[14:49] <jtechidna> nvm, you said you weren't using a mirror
[14:50] <Riddell> wait and it'll sort itself out
[14:56] <shadeslayer> Riddell: yeah
[14:56] <shadeslayer> and wtf, why can't I upload nepomuk
[14:56] <shadeslayer> that's just mental
[14:56] <shadeslayer> and my X keeps taking up 60% of the memory
[14:58] <shadeslayer> is nepomuk not in the kubuntu packageset?
[14:59] <shadeslayer> or was I kicked out of kubuntu dev :P
[14:59] <shadeslayer> nope, still there
[15:01] <shadeslayer> Riddell: ^ nepomuk needs fixing to be in the kubuntu packageset apparently
[15:02] <Riddell> shadeslayer: fooey, do e-mail cjwatson about it
[15:02] <Riddell> shadeslayer: need me to upload?
[15:02] <shadeslayer> please do
[15:02] <shadeslayer> virtuoso as well
[15:03] <shadeslayer> they're here : https://launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/experimental/+packages
[15:03] <shadeslayer> although
[15:03] <shadeslayer> Riddell: please re check virtuoso
[15:03] <shadeslayer> because it's the first time I've looked into virtuoso so I wasn't very familiar with it
[15:04] <shadeslayer> apachelogger_: apparently gst is smart enough to use hardware video decoding when using xvimagesink and videoscale in the same pipe
[15:05] <Riddell> virtuoso is sufficiently complex you need to be a vHanda to be familiar with it
[15:05] <shadeslayer> or a trueg :P
[15:07] <shadeslayer> I just made sure that everything in README.source was followed ....
[15:10] <Riddell> Blizzz: hmm it downloads apps to /usr/share/owncloud when we would need it to write to /var/lib/owncloud, any idea what it would take to change that?
[15:12] <Blizzz> Riddell: i'd say /var/lib/owncloud should be written to the config file in the apps_path array (compare config/config.sample.php on the bottom)
[15:17] <debfx> are the apps authenticated somehow? like downloaded via https?
[15:19] <Riddell> debfx: since I think anyone can upload to that site there wouldn't be much advantage in that
[15:20] <Riddell> shadeslayer: uploaded
[15:20] <Riddell> hey shadeslayer, would your shiny server be suitable for a kubuntu owncloud instance? :)
[15:21] <shadeslayer> Riddell: depends, just for testing?
[15:22] <shadeslayer> and how much space do you need ?
[15:24] <Riddell> nah, I'm wondering where to store receipts for AWS, and wouldn't it be fun to have a kubuntu music server :)
[15:25] <debfx> Riddell: it would protect against MITM attacks
[15:26] <shadeslayer> :D
[15:26] <shadeslayer> Riddell: my server only has 15GB's of space, and I think the usage is currently about 75%
[15:27] <shadeslayer> Riddell: keep a eye on http://doesbuyvmhavestock.com/
[15:27] <shadeslayer> they have really cheap VPS's
[15:49] <shadeslayer> sigh
[15:49] <shadeslayer> kwin is taking up 1.5G's of pix memory
[15:59] <ScottK> Quintasan: Do you remember me telling you "It's always the cable"?
[16:00] <ScottK> I'm guessing the hub works because then the speed negotiation between the arm box and the hub gets the 100Mbps rate that the arm box needs
[16:00] <ScottK> The bad cable isn't dead, just has a broken conductor with poor connectivity, so it'll work at the lower data rate.
[16:01] <ScottK> (similar to how 10 base T ethernet cable lengths are much longer than 100 base T which are longer than gigabit ethernet.
[16:02] <shadeslayer> heh
[16:19] <vHanda> shadeslayer: Riddell: Need any help?
[16:19] <shadeslayer> gah
[16:20] <shadeslayer> Riddell: did you upload virtuoso with ppa1? :P
[16:20] <vHanda> I'll take that as a no
[16:21] <shadeslayer> yeah, he already uploaded it :)
[16:37] <Riddell> hmm did I?
[16:37] <Riddell> oh, doh
[16:39] <shadeslayer> :)
[19:05] <shadeslayer> yay, upgrade screwed up so many things
[19:05] <shadeslayer> lightdm now doesn't detect my stable KDE session
[19:05] <shadeslayer> backlight cannot be controlled on display
[19:07] <shadeslayer> that's weird
[19:07] <shadeslayer> didn't have kubuntu-desktop installed O_O
[20:01] <Riddell> shadeslayer: what sort of upgrade did you do?
[20:01] <shadeslayer> Riddell: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade ?
[20:02] <Riddell> oh well, that's not supported :)
[20:02] <shadeslayer> wait what ? :P
[20:05] <Riddell> release upgrade tool is
[20:05] <Riddell> hmm, what happened this week to report to the release meeting?
[20:07] <shadeslayer> no, what I meant was, I was on quantal, and I ran : sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[20:07]  * shadeslayer looks at apt.log
[20:07] <shadeslayer> yep, last dist-ugprade removed kubuntu-desktop
[20:08] <shadeslayer> for those interested : http://paste.kde.org/531620/
[20:08] <shadeslayer> line 12
[20:17] <Riddell> more archive skew?
[20:21] <micahg> shadeslayer: are you running -proposed?
[20:22] <shadeslayer> I think so, need to check
[20:22] <shadeslayer> yes
[20:22] <micahg> shadeslayer: don't run devel -proposed :)
[20:23] <shadeslayer> heh :P
[20:23] <shadeslayer> I wanted to test whether the new X stack fixed the mem leaks on my system :P
[20:23] <micahg> ah, ok
[20:23] <shadeslayer> which I think it does
[20:24] <shadeslayer> X is idling at 4.3 % of mem rather than shooting upto 60%
[20:25] <shadeslayer> so, I was wondering, the live cd uses syslinux to boot the live system right?
[20:49] <Riddell> shadeslayer: I think so
[21:39] <pedahzur> So, I see https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-bugs and https://bugs.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-bugs, but no obvious way to create bugs (at least there). What is the procedure now for opening bugs against Kubuntu packages? There is no Kubuntu project in Launchpad.
[21:41] <Riddell> pedahzur: kubuntu is part of ubuntu so it's the same as for any ubuntu package
[21:41] <Riddell> pedahzur: if it's an upstream KDE bug report to bugs.kde.org, else ubuntu-bug <packagename> should do it
[21:44] <pedahzur> Riddell: OK, so even though Canonical is no longer supporting Kubuntu, I report them under Ubuntu.  Actually for the bug I was going to report, there is already an upstream report, but I was going to create a launchpad bug that tracked that bug so I'd know if/when the fix made it in to Kubuntu packages.
[21:52] <pedahzur> Hmm...I thought there was an option on the bug report form to track it up stream.
[21:58] <micahg> pedahzur: there are 4 other non-Canonical directly supported derivatives in the Ubuntu archive besides Kubuntu
[21:59] <shadeslayer> pedahzur: there is ... there's something called  "Also affects"
[22:00] <micahg> pedahzur: Ubuntu is a community project of which Canonical is one corporate sponsor of resources (albeit a very large one)
[22:03] <pedahzur> micahg: I (somewhat) understand the structure, but wasn't there an announcement not too long ago, that Canonical was no longer going to support Kubuntu at all? (at least not by funding developers).
[22:04] <ScottK> pedahzur: But it's still part of Ubuntu the distro.
[22:04] <micahg> pedahzur: umm, that just means not funding the developer they used to or to press actual CDs
[22:05] <pedahzur> ScottK: OK, that makes sense.
[22:05] <pedahzur> micahg: Gotcha.
[22:08] <pedahzur> shadeslayer: OK, the also affects project doesn't give me an option for adding a URL. Also affects distribution gives me an error that I can't add bug watches for Ubuntu, since launchpad is its tracker. I could *swear* I had seen somebody link to bugs.kde.org at some point in the past (and not just in a comment). Ah well, I've added the URL in a comment.
[22:08] <shadeslayer> pedahzur: can you link me to the bug
[22:09] <pedahzur> shadeslayer: Bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/+bug/1035105    on KDE: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=304866
[22:10] <pedahzur> Sorry, didn't mean to be a pain...I thought it was a quick, simple answer.
[22:10] <shadeslayer> no problem ;)
[22:11] <shadeslayer> pedahzur: done ... I think
[22:12] <pedahzur> Ah, cool. OK...now how did you do that? :)
[22:12] <shadeslayer> pedahzur: "Also affects distribution"
[22:12] <shadeslayer> yeah, it's weird
[22:13] <pedahzur> shadeslayer: What did you select as the distro? What did you use as the source package name?  Anything different than I did?
[22:13] <shadeslayer> pedahzur: I added the bug link and selected the project as Akonadi
[22:14] <shadeslayer> accidentally set it as mandriva first ( too sleepy to notice that in the first go )
[22:14]  * shadeslayer heads to bed
[22:14] <pedahzur> shadeslayer: here? https://bugs.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/+bug/1035105/+distrotask But I don't see an Akonadi link... OK...g'nite! Sleep well. :)
[22:15] <shadeslayer> pedahzur: set source package name as akonadi
[22:15] <shadeslayer> and then add the url
[22:15] <shadeslayer> oh hmm
[22:16] <pedahzur> Actually, isn't the source package kmail? :)
[22:16] <shadeslayer> sec
[22:17] <shadeslayer> pedahzur: upstream bug report says akonadi
[22:17] <pedahzur> Ah, you're right.  But it is in the kmail package, if I do a dpkg -S. But we'll go with their bug tracker.
[22:17] <pedahzur> shadeslayer: Thanks for all your help! Much appreciated!
[22:17] <shadeslayer> pedahzur: so I've removed the bug watch, now you can add it this way
[22:17] <shadeslayer> click on Also affects project
[22:18] <shadeslayer> then set the project as akonadi
[22:18] <shadeslayer> click continue
[22:18] <shadeslayer> enter the bug url
[22:18] <shadeslayer> then click on continue again
[22:19] <shadeslayer> profit
[22:19] <shadeslayer> ;)
[22:19] <pedahzur> shadeslayer: Sweet! I knew I'd seen it before...just the terminology was confusing me. Much thanks.
[22:19] <shadeslayer> yeah, it's a bit confusing
[22:19]  * shadeslayer heads to bed
[22:19] <shadeslayer> night everyone
[22:20] <pedahzur> shadeslayer: night!