[01:06] jasoncwarner_, you around? === mfisch is now known as Guest6140 === Guest6140 is now known as mfisch [05:44] good morning [07:57] good morning everyone [07:59] hey chrisccoulson [08:03] hey desktopers [08:03] hey chrisccoulson, didrocks, how are you? [08:03] seb128: hey, I'm fine thanks! yourself? [08:04] I'm good thanks [08:05] So, who released gnome-bluetooth 3.5.5 without testing it? it breaks gnome-shell something fierce (won't even launch). had to downgrade to 3.5.4 [08:06] robru, I did, and I tested it but I use unity (like most of the channel) and not gnome-shell [08:07] oh, hi seb128! was not expecting you at this hour... ;-) [08:07] robru, it's 10am european time ;-) [08:07] hi seb128, didrocks [08:07] how are you? [08:07] yeah, still getting the hang of the timezones. [08:07] chrisccoulson, I'm good thanks [08:08] robru, dunno under gnome-shell but indicator-datetime in Unity let you add different locations to your clock it's quite handy [08:08] robru, do you have details on the gnome-shell issue? [08:09] robru, I guess http://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-shell/commit/?id=a2465e0670bdf83b6d3931df6d1ef1e5bd89462c ? [08:09] yeah, there was a bug in lp already. lemme find it [08:10] robru, can you test if that patch fixes it and maybe prepare an update? [08:10] yeah, I'm looking into that right now [08:12] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/1034751 there it is [08:12] Ubuntu bug 1034751 in gnome-shell "Gnome-Shell won't start - GnomeBluetoothApplet.KillswitchState is undefined" [Undecided,Confirmed] [08:14] So I'm just poking around at gnome-shell source. if you want to fix it fast you may have to do it yourself... dunno how urgent you feel it is. [08:14] gnome-shell is a piece of crap for that, a small issue in any of the indicator's js and your desktop is totally broken [08:14] robru, well I point you to the commit that should fix it, can you just apply the diff and see if shell is starting again? [08:15] robru, it's a .js you probably can even patch the system version without rebuilding a package [08:15] oh, good point. I am in the process of recompiling gnome-shell with debuild ;-) [08:20] ok, made the change and reinstalled bluetooth 3.5.5, lemme logout and back in and I'll tell you if it worked [08:25] wow, this is totally hosed. I don't even know what I've done now [08:26] I used apt-get to reinstall gnome-shell and gnome-bluetooth packages, and then re-installed gnome-bluetooth 3.5.4 from source, and it's still not working. (eg, tried to go back to a clean slate and re-do the workaround that I already know works). [08:29] robru, seb128, jfyi this g--s cherry-pick is working [08:30] great [08:30] I must have done it wrong or something. no idea [08:30] robru, did you do a system install in /usr/local which is hijacking the distro version or something? [08:30] seb128, https://launchpadlibrarian.net/112282644/gnome-shell_3.5.4%2Bgit20120721.r1.dd80f390-0ubuntu1~12.10~ricotz1_3.5.4%2Bgit20120721.r1.dd80f390-0ubuntu1~12.10~ricotz2.diff.gz [08:31] nope, made sure to ./configure --prefix=/usr [08:31] seb128, sorry g2g [08:33] so seb128, if I'm understanding this, ricotz has applied that patch to gnome-shell 3.5.4 in order to make things work. any reason we can't just grab gnome-shell 3.5.5 which includes the patch? [08:34] robru, ricotz is doing git snapshots in his ppa [08:35] robru, and dunno, I didn't look at the new gnome-shell, they landed their new lockscreen I think, not sure if that requires integrations with other components [08:35] robru, it's for sure safer and easier to apply this patch to get a quick fix out then try to update [08:35] so that would be something to look at [08:36] true, that was quite straightforward [08:36] robru, do you want to look at the patching or should I do it? it's really late for you [08:36] yes, it's nearly 4AM here and to be honest this is a bit over my head. [08:36] just that I'm unfamiliar with the components here. still learning [08:45] robru, sure, I will do it, go and get some sleep ;-) [08:46] haha, ok, thanks [08:46] 'night [08:47] robru, good night [08:53] grrr nautilus [08:53] * didrocks now realizes he's using typeahead [08:54] btw, nautilus is breaking the desktop menu integration we had [08:56] didrocks, breaking, dropping you mean? [08:56] right [08:57] which is broken then :) [08:57] as design really wanted this menu upfront with the "places" [08:59] didrocks, yeah, it's documented in the changelog [09:00] didrocks, I didn't bother too much because I think we will reupload nautilus 3.4 and use that for quantal [09:01] seb128: so uploading a regression? Rick won't be happy ;) [09:02] seb128: but agreed, I think we should go back to 3.4 [09:02] didrocks, it's not a regression, it's a redesign of an app we use [09:02] didrocks, is the drop of compact view a regression, etc [09:02] didrocks, I don't think our "don't regress" has been though in that regard [09:03] and we will probably not be able to control such changes until we "own" all the apps we ship [09:03] seb128: agreed, I just hope that everyone is on the same page [09:04] well if they are not I'm happy to discuss with them ;-) [09:04] but to come back to the 3.4 discussions, when do you want to have it? [09:04] so that an official one is taken [09:04] have you discussed issues with upstream? [09:04] should we take that to the ubuntu-desktop ML? [09:04] Laney: did you see the discussion on d-d-l? [09:04] didrocks, list would be good [09:05] and blog post stating that "it is the way" [09:05] Laney, https://mail.gnome.org/archives/nautilus-list/2012-July/msg00005.html [09:05] https://mail.gnome.org/archives/nautilus-list/2012-August/msg00002.html [09:05] https://mail.gnome.org/archives/nautilus-list/2012-August/msg00014.html [09:05] [09:05] basically some of the discussions [09:06] Laney, well, it's not really to discuss with upstream to be honest [09:06] it's their desktop and they have their design vision [09:06] but like having no menu breaks things like the HUD integration [09:06] and we still target desktops and want a featurefull browser [09:06] where GNOME seems to aim at tablet style of apps [09:07] not sure what to do [09:07] but I don't feel like we should ask them to change their design to fit our desktop which has a different vision,target [09:07] it might just be that we should look for another filemanager to use [09:33] hey all, good morning [09:34] who's the best person to talk to for a question on apport, is it still pitti? [09:35] dpm, hey [09:35] dpm, what about apport? how to use it? how it works? code? [09:36] dpm, ev knows some of the code, for user questions just ask on the channel [09:36] seb128, yeah, I think it's best I ask the question directly :) [09:41] nice, just killed a wasp [09:41] so I was wondering about apps in extras.ubuntu.com and how to best report bugs for them. They are not really part of Ubuntu, but LP has a bugs URL for them (e.g. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alg3py) - so I was wondering whether apport already considers extras apps or if it doesn't, how it should report bugs - i.e. should it just ignore them?, point to the upstream project in LP if there is one?, point to the bugs page of the +source packa [09:41] ge in LP? [09:42] it's always satisfying to do that [09:42] oh, and wgrant just tells me that https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alg3py does not allow filing bugs [09:43] what is the unity-greeter ready sound? differnt from the lightdm login box ready drum roll sound? [09:43] http://www.iloveubuntu.net/unity-greeter-updated-support-disable-ready-sound-ubuntu-1204 [09:49] pipedream, lightdm doesn't do drum roll [09:50] ok, light dm just does the session stuff? [10:00] pipedream, yes [10:31] slomo, thanks for the gstreamer updates ;-) [10:31] seb128: np :) === tkamppeter_ is now known as tkamppeter [11:16] hi all! What does Unity rely on for thumbnailing? I was looking for "org.freedesktop.thumbnails.Thumbnailer1" service, but it isn't installed. Any hints? [11:17] I mean in xubuntu tumbler is used, but what is used in standard ubuntu precise? [13:37] Anyone around who knows about the state of the art of the Python2 -> Python3 transition in Quantal? Are all on-the-CD applications and components converted? Or is there something still keeping Python2 on the Quantal CD? [13:45] tkamppeter, system-config-printer is not converted [13:46] tkamppeter, video lens, but the Python3 port is ready. [13:47] tkamppeter, ubuntuone is still using python2 as well [13:47] tkamppeter, why do you ask? [13:47] tkamppeter, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Python/3 there are some links to lists that show whats ported already [13:47] http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/transitions/onlypy3oncd.html might be the most intresting one [13:48] tkamppeter, https://docs.google.com/a/canonical.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AiT4gOXSkmapdFA1anRkWERsaXgtWnllUG9QWXhDVWc#gid=0 as well [14:05] Thenk you, problem is that s-c-p is a huge Py2 application with PyGTK GUI, which all needs to get converted. It provides Plug'n'Print and some functionality for the printer setup tool in the GNOME Settings. [14:05] So I am asking whether also other programs are still not converted and therefore Python2 perhaps will stay in Quantal. [14:09] tkamppeter, yes, python2 will still we on the CD, and you should probably not attempt to convert the system-config-printer UI since we plan to use the GNOME one at some point [14:10] tkamppeter, somebody needs to convert the backend though [14:10] seb128, hmm, are you sure there was a final decision on leaving py2 on the cd ? [14:11] seb128, when Python2 will stay on the Quantal CD, would it be good enough to do the conversion in R? [14:12] tkamppeter, yes, we should probably start on it though [14:13] seb128, if it does not need to get rushed in before FF I could arrange with upstream to work on it, to avoid huge distro patches. [14:14] tkamppeter, please do that [14:16] seb128, OK, will arrange with upstream and leave the code for Quantal as it is now. [14:16] tkamppeter, thanks [14:25] seb128, have unity designers weighed in on what features they would actually want in a file manager in the past? [14:27] updating gnome-shell to 3.5.5 is going to be a pain, it really wants gdm 3.5 which doesn't work on Ubuntu (yet) [14:29] jbicha, good luck with that ;-) it might be easier to update to 3.4 based on Debian? [14:30] I tried rebuilding Debian's 3.4 but it didn't work on Ubuntu :( [14:30] what was the issue? [14:34] it's been several weeks since I looked at gdm, but I couldn't log in at all with it [14:35] jbicha, did it run? I think it had issue with -Bsymbolic-functions, did you hack the rules to turn that off? [14:36] I think the greeter showed but I don't remember exactly, I didn't touch debian/rules [14:48] seb128: are you guys still building random packages with -Bsymbolic-functions? [14:50] laney@raleigh> dpkg-buildflags --get LDFLAGS /srv/home/laney/dev/canonical/packaging/desktop/language-selector/language-selector-0.84 [14:50] -Wl,-Bsymbolic-functions -Wl,-z,relro [14:51] desrt, it's not random, it's part of the default toolchain flags [14:51] seb128: scary :) [14:51] why? [14:51] it has been this way for like 5 years [14:51] oh. cool, then [14:52] turning on -Bsymbolic-functions in glib got us a lot of flack [14:52] and trying to do -Bsymbolic at first outright broke things === zyga is now known as zya-afk [15:04] wow [15:04] xorg aborting whenever I start firefox [15:04] that's one way to get me to switch browsers :P [15:09] Laney, tedg had that problem too [15:10] I probably shouldn't be running the proposed xorg [15:24] yeah, much better now [15:24] it did cause me to discover that the default application settings are in a stupid place though: 'Details'?!?! [15:27] it's even better upstream: 'system info' [15:27] tkamppeter: I lost the bug from scrollback, can you link it again? [15:40] firefox is rather unstable for me as of yesterday & I'm not using proposed at the moment [15:41] this would immediately restart xorg before any interface shows [15:41] can't get much more broken than that :-) [15:42] yeah mine isn't that broken but it was slow & crashed regularly yesterday [15:48] mterry, bug 1033614 should be good to go now :) [15:49] Launchpad bug 1033614 in libunity-webapps "[MIR] libunity-webapps" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1033614 [15:49] kenvandine, nice [15:49] mterry, thanks! [15:51] ah carp. i've totally forgotten to do MIRs for some rhythmbox plug-in deps [15:56] dobey, hey, how are you? [15:58] hi seb128 [15:58] i'm good. was on holidays for a few days and just returned today :) [15:59] oh, nice ;-) [15:59] dobey, I guess that there is no chance bug #937132 would be fixed or quietened for LTS .1? (it's first on the errors list today) [16:00] Launchpad bug 937132 in ubuntu-sso-client "ubuntu-sso-login crashed with RuntimeError in /usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/gi/overrides/Gdk.py: Gdk couldn't be initialized" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/937132 [16:00] dobey, same question about bug #853060 (second most reported for the LTS today) [16:00] Launchpad bug 853060 in ubuntuone-installer/trunk "ubuntuone-installer crashed with GError in function(): Failed to execute child process "ubuntuone-control-panel-gtk" (No such file or directory)" [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/853060 [16:00] seb128: possibly. i'll see if i can't do a quick band-aid fix for it today [16:01] dobey, thanks [16:01] dobey, the second one ... you fixed it in quantal, anything preventing to get the fix in precise? [16:01] seb128: i can package installer 3.0.2 for precise, but it will likely introduce a different set of issues for people; which haven't been fixed yet and are less likely to be exposed in Q now, because we have everything back in the default image [16:02] dobey, why would it create a different set of issues? [16:02] " - Handle better some error conditions when installing. (LP: #853060)" [16:02] so the errors count might go down, but more people will hit a different issue, particularly if they have certain PPAs enabled [16:02] seems like a bug fix ... or is the fix buggy? [16:03] the fix makes other issues more prominent [16:03] hum [16:03] ie, rather than ignoring errors when updating the apt cache, they get reported to the user now [16:03] do we know what's the root of the problem? [16:04] so if you have a PPA that doesn't have packages for the version of Ubuntu, or the update results in some 404s or such, the errors will show in the UI, instead of just ignoring them and continuing on [16:04] though that specific one i can probably just fix to ignore the errors again instead [16:04] and only show errors during the actual install stage [16:05] that seems like a non trivial change or non obvious, it's late for .1 at this stage [16:06] those issues should only happen until ubuntuone-control-panel-gtk gets sucessfully installed and stop then right? [16:06] seb128: steve's comment seemed like if we get it in -proposed today or tomorrow, it should be fine [16:06] right [16:06] seb128: i'll poke at it after i return from lunch. [16:06] thanks [16:06] it's actually not -gtk any more; it would complain about -qt now. just the bug description is form an older version [16:08] am off to lunch now though :) [16:08] dobey, enjoy [16:08] mterry, oh, you timeouted before and I forgot to reply to your question [16:09] mterry, no, I think designers are too busy already with the stuff they work on, I doubt anyone looked that file browsing [16:10] seb128, yeah. That was a prep question for my email, but it confirms my guess that file browsing isn't something we currently care highly about as a thing we want to own [16:16] mterry, just replied to your email, I hope you are not the kind of guy who like to be Cced on emails for list discussions where you are on the list ;-) (I just replied to the list) [16:16] seb128, that's fine :) [16:18] those people should set Reply-To :P [16:19] seb128, yar 3.4 for a cycle isn't bad. but man do I not want to maintain it going forward [16:20] mterry, me neither [16:23] could we invite some gnome guys to uds? [16:23] Laney, we can, what for? [16:24] well it seems like there's something to discuss here [16:24] ie (how) can we reconcile differences within the gnome project [16:24] Laney, we are just back to GUADEC [16:24] there is not to discuss [16:24] they have their design and what to build their product [16:24] which is fair enough [16:25] if we doesn't work for us we need to find what works for us [16:25] if it* [16:25] so contributions for ubuntu integration would not be welcome upstream? [16:25] they are not wanting to change their design or complexify their code to support others [16:26] oh, I'm sure they would accept patches to e.g send the menu to the hud (if the patch is not hackish) [16:26] the question to know if the UI and feature direction is compatible with what we envision [16:26] they will not do complex ui changes or complexify their code to change the UI according to the desktop [16:27] they said that basically the easier way to do that is having a git with our layer of changes and rebasing [16:27] which also happens to put the cost of maintaining the diff on those who need,create it [16:28] brb [16:28] changing from wire to wireless, IRC will not like that [16:28] Actually I would prefer that as a distro maintainer [16:28] a large debian/patches is grim [16:33] mlankhorst, bug 1029865 [16:33] Launchpad bug 1029865 in linux "Intel HD graphics: Starts always with 1024x768 resolution on a 1920x1080 monitor (HDMI and DisplayPort)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1029865 [16:34] mlankhorst, I have also subscribed you to the bug now. [16:40] think it's a dup [16:43] mlankhorst, of which bug? [16:43] looking [16:53] good morning! [16:55] sudo apt-key adv --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv-keys 428D7C01 [16:55] lol, damnit [16:55] totally legit [16:55] I was expecting you guys to install it for me. what are you waiting for! [16:56] tkamppeter: can't find it back :/ [16:56] robru, hey [16:56] hey seb128. I just woke up as you can see ;-) [16:57] oh this was the bug :) [16:57] yeah [16:57] figures [16:57] I see in the scrollback there was some mention of gnome-shell 3.5.5 needing a gdm update [16:57] robru, right, I figured it was probably not trivial if jbicha didn't do it yet [16:57] I haven't tested that package that I made yet. should I even bother at this point? [16:58] robru, you probably should test it first ;-) [16:59] Hey, I only uploaded it because you asked! You wanted to see the diff. [16:59] or check with jbicha, he's the one maintaining gnome-shell usually [16:59] * didrocks waves good evening [16:59] robru, yeah, sorry I though you were backporting the bluetooth patch over 3.5.4 when you asked if you should upload [16:59] robru, I didn't get that you were going for the full update ;-) [17:00] see, I thought that ricotz had done the backport already, so I figured all that was left to do was the full update. [17:00] ricotz is doing git snapshots [17:01] so his diff was not based on the Ubuntu version [17:01] but don't worry it was trivial to backport [17:01] oh, did you backport it already? [17:02] robru, yes, I would appreciate if you test it works though, I don't use gnome-shell [17:02] robru, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/3.5.4-0ubuntu2 [17:02] ok, just installed it now. [17:03] gimme a sec to test [17:03] did not seem to work :-/ [17:04] I'm not sure if I have the stock bluetooth.js still or the one I mangled though, hang on. [17:04] well, your make install was not working earlier either [17:04] you did something weird to your install [17:04] can you pastebin the error log? [17:04] yes, so what I did now to 'fix' it was apt-get install gnome-shell apt-get install --reinstall gnome-bluetooth, so I should have stock versions of those installed at this point. [17:05] http://paste.ubuntu.com/1138122/ [17:07] Oh, I see bluetooth.js is provided by gnome-shell-common package, reinstalling that one now too... [17:07] no, gnome shell still won't launch. same error. I dunno what's happening man [17:09] I just purge'd gnome-shell, gnome-shell-common, and gnome-bluetooth and then reinstalled and it's still not working. [17:13] this is so hosed! how did this even happen? I can no longer seem to find any combination that works. whether I install gnome-bluetooth 3.5.4 from source, or install the latest 3.5.5 package. This all went downhill when I hand-edited bluetooth.js [17:14] The infuriating part here is that I don't even have bluetooth on this computer! I just want to disable it! [17:14] robru: reinstall gnome-shell? [17:14] oh. you already tried that. [17:14] yes ;_) [17:14] * desrt is fresh out of ideas :) [17:15] there's a lesson here, though [17:15] don't edit stuff in /usr :) [17:15] use unity, a shell which fails to start when the bluetooth indicator his an issue in its binding is not worth using? ;-) [17:15] hits [17:16] robru, dpkg -l | grep bluetooth and pastebin please [17:16] ok, so I just deleted bluetooth.js and that changed the error message to say that it couldn't find bluetooth [17:16] seb128, thanks for taking care of g-s [17:16] ricotz, yw, does the update work for you? [17:16] then I reinstalled gnome-shell-common and confirmed that bluetooth.js was restored, so I know my hand-edits are gone, I'm using the stock file. [17:16] jbicha: hey [17:16] jbicha: around? [17:16] seb128, i am using 3.5.5 [17:17] ricotz, do you need gdm 3.5 for it? [17:17] robru, dpkg -l | grep bluetooth and pastebin please [17:17] seb128, but if it applied quite cleanly it suppose to work [17:17] seb128, yes, gdm is mandatory here [17:17] ricotz, :-( [17:17] seb128, even a running one [17:18] seb128, http://paste.ubuntu.com/1138139/ [17:18] ricotz, how come you don't contribute back to get the Ubuntu gdm updated? :-( [17:18] it provides a org.gnome.Displaymanager dbus service [17:18] seb128, because this gdm isnt really working :\ [17:19] seb128, fta has the current one in his ppa [17:19] robru, strace -f gnome-shell 2>&1 | grep GnomeBluetooth [17:19] no output to that command [17:19] ricotz, oh, great, another "non contributor" doing stuff in his ppa for having somebody else redoing them for Ubuntu later on :-( [17:20] seb128, http://people.ubuntu.com/~ricotz/gdm/ -- https://launchpad.net/~fta/+archive/gnome3/+sourcepub/2599935/+listing-archive-extra [17:20] robru, is that the command you run to start gnome-shell? [17:20] yes [17:20] seb128, as i said it isnt working! [17:20] robru, strace -f gnome-shell 2>&1 | grep -i bluetooth [17:20] ricotz, you just said before you were using gnome-shell 3.5 and gdm 3.5 [17:21] seb128, and i still doubt anyone was interested in gdm until now [17:21] ricotz, so it's omewhat working [17:21] seb128, http://paste.ubuntu.com/1138145/ [17:21] ricotz, well, jbicha said he spent time trying to get it update,worked but didn't manage to get it to work [17:21] seb128, but it isnt something even not for a ppa [17:21] ricotz, it would be great if you guys contributed and worked together on those attemps [17:21] seb128, fta is still working on it [17:22] seb128, there are a lot of changes even between 3.4 to 3.5 [17:22] seb128, and also the ubuntu gsettings override interfering with it [17:22] robru, strace -f gnome-shell --replace 2>&1 | grep -i bluetooth [17:22] seb128, so it isnt that easy [17:22] robru, try that and pastebin the log please [17:23] ricotz, right, it would just be easier if people were working on a common vcs (ideally the official one) [17:23] ricotz, jbicha would probably have started from there rather than Debian when he looked at it [17:23] ricotz, and if it was mostly working with issue I might have a look [17:23] seb128, i see, but i must say not body cared about my gdm 3.2 updates [17:23] seb128, http://paste.ubuntu.com/1138149/ [17:23] ricotz, but I'm not going to chase random ppas I don't know about to debug issues [17:23] seb128, which is even proposed [17:24] ricotz, you guys should probably have gdm is the desktopextra set and you member of the set so you could maintain it there [17:25] seb128, maybe, sorry g2g for now [17:25] it already is [17:25] ricotz, have fun [17:27] robru, dpkg -S /usr/lib/gnome-bluetooth/GnomeBluetoothApplet-1.0.typelib [17:27] gnome-bluetooth: /usr/lib/gnome-bluetooth/GnomeBluetoothApplet-1.0.typelib [17:27] hum [17:27] yes, there does seem to be a lot of 'file not found' errors for a package that is definitely installed... [17:28] robru, in the strace you mean? [17:29] yeah [17:30] robru, if you do [17:30] python -c "from gi.repository import GnomeBluetooth; print GnomeBluetooth.KillswitchState.UNBLOCKED" [17:30] [17:30] " [17:30] ups [17:30] just the first line [17:30] robru, does it work? [17:31] AttributeError: 'gi.repository.GnomeBluetooth' object has no attribute 'KillswitchState [17:32] robru, debsums gir1.2-gnomebluetooth-1.0 | grep -v OK [17:34] seb128, /usr/lib/girepository-1.0/GnomeBluetooth-1.0.typelib FAILED [17:34] dun-dun-DUN! [17:34] robru, did you manually replace that? [17:34] nope! [17:34] oh, but [17:34] robru, reinstall gir1.2-gnomebluetooth-1.0 I guess [17:34] actually probably yeah [17:35] robru, you did make install gnome-bluetooth didn't you? [17:35] because I installed gnome-bluetooth 3.5.4 from source [17:35] yeah [17:35] * seb128 thinks that installing to /usr is worth that /usr/local [17:35] I was just thinking that bluetooth.js was the only one I edited by hand [17:35] you can easily rm /usr/local/* at least [17:36] robru, does it worth if you reinstall gir1.2-gnomebluetooth-1.0 [17:36] ok, it's working now. [17:36] good [17:36] sorry for all the noise! [17:36] no problem [17:37] it was not useless I guess [17:37] did you do strace debugging before? ;-) [17:37] no ;-) [17:37] I am a python programmer! I debug with print statements ;-) [17:37] robru, oh, btw all the NOTFOUND errors in strace are normal [17:37] but I am eager to learn though. so this was fun [17:37] robru, it checks for standard paths for the files to load in order [17:38] like if you had a copy in /usr/local it would load it [17:38] so it checks that first [17:38] go "not there" [17:38] then check the next location [17:38] oh, I see. so it's just a matter of the files being in a different place, not that they were 'missing' [17:38] right, you can see it usually find them [17:39] btw, on a totally unrelated note. There was a certain application I wanted to run that would crash on launch, everytime. I submitted a bug report, which was invalidated, so I installed the -dbgsym package manually. Now the program doesn't crash anymore. [17:40] robru, did you upgrade? [17:40] I'm not sure. is there a way to check the date that the current package was installed? [17:40] robru, dpkg -l | grep overlay [17:40] robru, what does that say? [17:40] oh yes, I did upgrade overlay. I hadn't upgraded the program that was crashing reliably though [17:41] 0.2.16+r353-0ubuntu1 [17:41] robru, the email you sent me, did you see my reply? [17:41] desrt: sorry, we were at lunch (I'm in Cincinnati) [17:41] jbicha: went early? [17:41] robru, right, they were segfaulting due to scrollbars, we fixed the bug today [17:41] oh, excellent. [17:41] robru, so you confirm that the scrollbar fix works, thanks [17:41] yeah, pre-hackfest thing [17:41] * desrt was totally not invited! [17:42] robru, btw the bug you emailed me about helped to get it fixed, you had debug infos for the scrollbar code there [17:42] jbicha: anyway... i was wondering what (if anything) you wanted me to do with the gnomebuntu page [17:42] ok seb128, glad to be of help ;-) [17:42] blame shaunm, it's about style guide [17:44] desrt: I think the two blockers to distributing an iso are figuring out a good name and making the metapackage [17:44] so this was a 'your eyes only' private distribution earlier? [17:45] seb128, thanks for all the help. I have to run some errands, when I get back I plan to do more reading/learning. [17:45] robru, you're welcome, have fun [17:45] dinner time here [17:46] the metapackage shouldn't be too hard, the naming just sounds a pain to have to change multiple times [17:46] jbicha: gnomebuntu seems fine to me [17:46] just run with it [17:47]