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chris4585wish I knew about bridge linux last night, would have saved me like three hours lol04:47
Unit193But it's not the arch way...04:47
chris4585yeah, and I have no problem with that04:48
Unit193:D04:52
chris4585as far as I'm concerned I see archbang and any other spinoff to be nothing more than arch with fluff04:54
chris4585bridge is updated and comes with the old installer also so that would have been nice... but Its nice to have a refresher on the 'arch way' it is just my tv computer I use for playing tv shows04:55
netritious_finally...a05:07
netritious_.deb that installs05:07
=== netritious_ is now known as netritious
netritioushm05:08
netritiouschris4585: are you running arch everywhere or just for tv?05:17
chris4585this (main) computer and my tv, laptop has 12.1005:19
netritiousarch in a vm?05:21
chris4585nah05:22
netritiousidk thought you were running arch for some reason05:22
chris4585I am lol?05:22
netritiouslol05:22
chris4585this computer is arch, my laptop is ubuntu, my tv is arch too05:22
chris4585I guess I wasn't clear lol05:23
chris4585oh I see yeah I wasn't clear05:23
netritiousall good :)05:24
netritiousmorning12:53
netritioushello eights ... long time no see.12:55
eightsnetritious, i know it right12:56
netritioushow've you been? :)12:56
eightsnetritious, lol been traveling a lil here and there, sc, oh, then back to nyc12:56
eightsnetritious, now im back in knox lmfao12:56
eightsnetritious, i've been good, maintiang, came back here for a job.12:57
netritiousgood 'ole knoxville12:57
wrsthello eights12:57
wrstand netritious12:57
netritiouswell wb eights :)12:57
netritiousmorning wrst12:57
eightswrst, whats up!12:57
eightsnetritious, ty ty. how things been your guys way?12:58
wrstgood eights, and welcome back!12:58
netritiouseights: same ole same ole really... computers, computers, and more computers :P12:59
eightsnetritious, i know the feeling. lol i feel like my eyes are permainetly stuck looking at a monitor13:00
* xTEMPLARx wakes up and scrapes the crust outa his eyes13:48
xTEMPLARxyay quassel stayed connected :D13:49
wrstxTEMPLARx: and you are bac again13:50
wrstwow13:50
xTEMPLARxback?  I never left!13:50
xTEMPLARx:D13:50
wrstoh yeah....13:51
wrst:)13:51
netritiousI'm confused. I can build and install from source no problems, but building a debian binary package from source is giving me a headache.14:52
netritiousmorning xTEMPLARx14:55
wrstmorning netritious14:55
wrstwish i had some great pearls of wisdom for you... but as usual... i don't :)14:55
netritioushow's it going wrst14:55
wrstgood netritious, you?14:56
netritiousFeels like I'm installing arch all over again lol14:56
wrstnetritious: i tried the new installer and really had no problems until it was grug2's turn man i hate grub 214:57
netritiousthere are just more steps to boot strapping with grub2 than grub. can't change it so might as well embrace it :)14:58
netritiousmaybe not more, just different14:59
wrstyeah i am waiting for the docs to catch up, i actually did one guide that was outside of the wiki that used no scripts it was actually easier14:59
netritiousthere is always an easier way.15:01
wrstyes but when people try to make it easier they many times make it harder15:01
netritiousbinarymutant: what goes in debian/rules to override the behavior of test/check? I want to ignore test/check just for now.15:03
netritiousI would think it's something like override_dh_test_check15:03
netritiouswrst: I think difficulty is part of growth. Ever stressed a plant to make it bloom out of season?15:05
wrstyep agreed15:05
xTEMPLARxheya net15:05
netritiouswhat's up xTEMPLARx15:06
xTEMPLARxnot much... just trying to get some work done15:06
netritiousget your guitar started?15:06
xTEMPLARxwishing it were friday ;)15:06
netritiouslol I wish everyday was friday.15:06
xTEMPLARxI have a rough outline of a body cut out, but I still have to make some templates and do some more practicing jointing wood together :D15:06
netritiouscool15:07
* netritious is jealous15:07
netritiousmy brother and I talked about it a bit15:07
netritiouswe determined it was cheaper to just buy a guitar :)15:08
netritiousbut it did seem like it would be fun15:08
xTEMPLARxnet:  it could be cheaper to just buy one, assuming you bought a cheap guitar15:40
xTEMPLARxof course, the cost of the tools alone would be more than a few expensive guitars, probably.15:40
xTEMPLARxbut since I get to skip that somewhat, all I have are specific hardware bits to buy, router bits and wood15:41
xTEMPLARxbut of course, I then have to actually DO it15:41
xTEMPLARxthere  needs to be more time in the week15:41
netritiouslol amen to that15:43
wrstxTEMPLARx: i'm spying a tele body on ebay15:43
xTEMPLARxdon't be spyin' stuff now15:44
xTEMPLARxspyin' leads to other things15:45
wrstxTEMPLARx: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Unfinished-Swamp-Ash-American-Telecaster-Special-Body-/330775489722?pt=Guitar_Accessories&hash=item4d03c16cba15:46
xTEMPLARxnice... routed for the nashville setup15:47
wrstyeah i'm sorta tempted15:47
wrsti guess the proper way is to get all your parts get it fitted then take it apart and finish?15:48
xTEMPLARxpretty much15:48
xTEMPLARxthe edges will have to be finished as well15:48
xTEMPLARxit still has the sharp edges15:48
xTEMPLARxeither need to route them with a roundover or put binding on there15:48
xTEMPLARxroundover is easier, but still requires a router unless you wanna try your hand at sanding it round, in which case it won't be uniform15:49
wrstyeah thats my hang up i think i might go for a body that is all pre-done except finish and finish an wire it up to start with then move on from there15:50
wrstxTEMPLARx: something like this one15:51
wrsthttp://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-Fender-Lic-Swamp-Ash-Telecaster-Tele-BODY-Guitar-Mighty-Mite-MM2705A-/360468532542?pt=Guitar_Accessories&hash=item53ed994d3e15:51
xTEMPLARxlove the grain on that one15:51
xTEMPLARxstandard tele just missing all the hardware15:51
xTEMPLARxbut that way you can pick all the hardware you want15:52
xTEMPLARxblack/chrome/gold15:52
xTEMPLARx:D15:52
wrstyeah and will be more expensive when i finish probably than just buying an american tele15:52
wrsti was thinking black/chrome actually :)15:52
wrstor red15:52
wrstand I'm guessing an american neck will fit on these aftermarket bodies?15:53
wrstor would you just go with soemthing like a might mite neck and forget it?15:54
* netritious wants a guitar with tux shaped body16:07
xTEMPLARxwrst:  one of those two necks gave a specific code-number for the neck pocket shape16:28
xTEMPLARxsites like warmoth have nice necks that you can get already-finished to fit any stock fender pocket16:28
wrstahh nice xTEMPLARx16:28
binarymutantwhat are we talking about? pirated guitars?17:26
wrstha ha just building our own binarymutant17:28
binarymutantgah I was trying to find a 3d printed guitar physible on tpb for ya'll17:32
binarymutantno such luck though :/17:34
netritioussup binarymutant17:40
binarymutanthello17:40
netritiousbuilt 3 out of 4 packages, one is already usable from teh repos I discovered this morning17:41
binarymutantthat's awesome17:41
binarymutantlook this apple product is doing it wrong https://github.com/textmate/textmate17:42
binarymutantcheck out the dependencies17:42
binarymutant"mercurial — distributed SCM system"17:43
netritiousi thought mercurial was an MTA17:43
binarymutanthuh no17:44
binarymutantit's a vcs like git17:44
binarymutantbut textmate wants you to pull source with git that pulls source with hg/mercurial17:44
netritioussounds redundant17:45
binarymutantvery17:45
binarymutantwhich is a good reason not use apple lol17:45
netritiousbinarymutant: I need to add some post install scripts to create dirs and stuff and to copy a .conf after package installation. Not sure how to integrate into the building of the package.17:48
netritiousany tips for me?17:48
binarymutantnever used any hooks for my packages but I know you put them in debian/post-install or something like that17:49
netritiousah k, thanks for pointing me in the right direction17:49
binarymutantsomething like that..17:50
binarymutantyou can prolly do what you said in the debian/rules though17:51
netritiousmaybe debian/postinst ?17:51
binarymutanthttp://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-maintainerscripts.html17:52
binarymutantand yeah17:52
binarymutantman I haven't seen the debian policy doc in forever17:52
netritiousall good...appreciate it man17:53
binarymutant#debian-maintainers on oftc will have all the answers too17:55
wrstoh netritious, they made it a lot easier now on arch: http://www.archlinux.org/news/install-media-20120804-available/18:02
wrst:)18:02
binarymutantwhat the zsh config?18:04
netritiousha I was sure that if arch wanted to stay in user's hearts they'd cough up an installer lol18:04
binarymutantno installer still18:04
wrstwell netritious that may be a whiel but hey they have autocomplete :)18:05
netritiousclose enough? :P18:05
binarymutantyeah zsh is awesome18:05
netritiouslol18:05
wrstnetritious: arch really doen'st care if they have users or not as you can tell by being brave enough to go to their channel adn ask a question18:05
binarymutanttypical #archlinux response: rtfm18:07
wrstbinarymutant: but you know for the most part that is the correct response18:07
binarymutantyeah but very old school18:07
wrstyeah but you know they are hardcore18:08
binarymutanta newer version of rtfm: google it18:08
chris4585o.o18:08
binarymutant*A*18:09
netritiousI just think arch is having a growth spurt. purists ::cough:: snobs ::cough:: never like the 'new kids' anyway18:09
binarymutantso true18:10
binarymutantthe kids always want their gnomes and kdes jk18:10
wrstnetritious: yep and if you read their forums on some of this stuff the old school guys tell you that18:10
netritiouslol18:10
wrstbinarymutant: :P18:11
netritiouswell I mean, if I, nettty the netster, do RTFM and google it and still don't get it.....no arch for me? That's impractical if one wants the adoption of one's idea of linux.18:12
binarymutantread the effing source?18:14
binarymutantidk :D18:14
netritiousexactly binarymutant18:14
binarymutantI have to come to the defense of the linux snobbery though. The snobbery creates better users18:16
netritiousto me installing arch was no different than installing pfsense on a proprietary peice of networking euipment (under the hood a PC with 8 nics)...it was a PITA but rewarding18:17
binarymutantin Ubuntu you'd ask a question and do the response without having to understand which makes ppl keep asking18:17
netritiousyeah18:17
binarymutantbut with snobbery your forced into understand why so you never have to ask again18:18
netritiousthere has to be a middle ground somewhere18:18
binarymutantI'm sure and I'd totally agree with the middle ground18:18
wrstnetritious: it seems like people polarize to one end or the other18:18
wrstand is debian the middle ground?18:19
netritiouswrst: the nature of things in general I think18:19
netritiousmaybe :)18:19
netritiousIt's been very flexible for me18:19
binarymutantidk, #debian will answer questions very well18:19
binarymutantlike #ubuntu ^18:19
netritiousi rarely ask questions. when I do it's because I've exhausted most known/found resources18:20
binarymutantthe worst elitists I've seen is suckless.org/ they're horrible18:20
binarymutant^ must have masters in C to understand them18:21
binarymutant^^ prolly why I can still stand the arch community18:22
netritioussometimes I just give in to the fact that my style of 'brute force learning' isn't adequate for the task. 99% of the time it does work though lol18:23
netritiousBFL = I'll keep at something until it works if I know some one else has it working already. it must be my deficiency, not rocket science or magick even.18:25
netritious*or if I am very positive it should work and doesn't18:25
wrstbrute force learning, i like that :)18:25
netritiouswrst: I wish it was more like the old days where someone took you under their wing and guided you versus the spoon feeding you get now with ubuntu or RTFM attitude from [other distros]18:28
binarymutantI think Ubuntu's motu does that18:29
wrstnetritious: there isn't really any middle ground there is there?18:29
netritiousmentoring is the middle ground I think.18:29
binarymutantyeah18:29
wrstyep18:29
binarymutantubuntu's motu does mentoring, debian does mentoring too but it's more along the lines of rtfm18:30
netritiousright lol18:30
binarymutantdebian's dd*18:30
netritiousI like The Debian Way18:31
binarymutantI'm partial to the suckless.org/arch way18:31
binarymutantbut it's not for everyone18:31
binarymutantmeh I go back n forth lol :P18:32
netritiousthe RTFM/GIYF way is my way18:33
netritiousmost of the time.18:33
binarymutantgiyf?18:33
netritiousGoogle Is Your Friend18:33
binarymutantjust looked it up on my hand acronym finder18:33
binarymutantwget -q -O - www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=$1 | grep definition | sed -e 's#<[^>]*>##g' | sed -e 's/&quot;//g'18:34
netritiousnice one binarymutant18:34
binarymutantdebian's way of management is the best though, I still don't understand Arch's way18:37
binarymutantlike who decided the /lib -> /usr/lib thing?18:37
netritiousguess you would have to dig through some message archives binarymutant18:38
binarymutant<- doing that now lol18:39
binarymutant3 ppl18:40
binarymutantthat's what I don't like about Arch; 3 ppl decide on the fate of the distro - https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/DeveloperWiki:Divisions18:40
binarymutantinstead of the democracy debian uses18:41
netritiousand it also looks like it comes down to one dude. you know, I think that's fine even if I wouldn't do it that way.18:43
wrsttheir are advantages to both18:43
netritiouslike I'll ever build my own distro any way, so I can't rightfully judge I guess except to say thank goodness for choices :)18:44
wrstha ha agreed netritious18:44
xTEMPLARxI would install netritious linux on my main work box18:55
xTEMPLARxbut if you followed ubuntu's lead, there'd be knetritious, xnetritious, edunetritious, etc18:56
xTEMPLARxooooo!18:56
xTEMPLARxdude18:56
xTEMPLARxi've got it18:56
xTEMPLARxgnutritious18:56
xTEMPLARxthere18:56
xTEMPLARxyou're welcome18:56
xTEMPLARxgnutritious.org is available, too18:58
xTEMPLARxget busy18:58
binarymutantgnutritious is too bloated :P18:59
xTEMPLARxhaha19:00
netritiousrofl19:00
netritiousgnet maybe, pronouced guh-new neht19:01
netritiousor guh-neht rather19:01
netritiousI have been entertaining the idea of starting with LFS, but man that's gonna take some time i just know it.19:02
binarymutantgnome nutritious lol19:02
netritiouslol...gnome2 only19:03
binarymutantnetritious: if you can compile glibc it's pretty easy19:03
netritiouslol19:03
netritiousnah, I want to do net appliances really19:03
binarymutantfor the LFS19:04
netritiousyeah19:04
binarymutantI tried it once, couldn't compile glibc and dropped it19:04
netritiousyeah you mentioned that...doesn't sound promising.19:04
netritiousthough I've read a lot about it, and the one thing I see every where is 'don't deviate from the manual at all ever period' ...19:05
binarymutantone of us in here could probably do it, we should make our own distro19:05
netritiousdid you deviate binarymutant? :D19:05
binarymutantcan't remember19:05
binarymutantI think I just did vanilla, no opts19:05
netritiousit's very possible it just failed, i mean, if eveyone could build LFS then you wouldn't have derivatives of derivatives19:08
binarymutantso true19:08
netritiousit screams 'tedious and complex'19:08
netritiousdon't know why I quoted that^19:08
wrstnetritious: does LFS have an irc channel to ask questions? :)19:16
netritiousmaybe wrst :)19:18
binarymutantholy crap it does19:19
binarymutantand my poweri is about to get lightning'd out19:19
xTEMPLARxits been storming here pretty badly as well19:32
binarymutantwhile (storming=true) { laptop > desktop; };19:34
xTEMPLARxlol19:35
binarymutantI already see my typo, C sucks :/19:35
xTEMPLARxyup... i blame the programming language, too19:36
binarymutantlol :D19:36
binarymutantI see what you did there19:36
xTEMPLARx:D19:41
xTEMPLARxi was halfway through typing welcome back to wrst when I realized he wasn't back at all.19:42
xTEMPLARxnow i can19:43
xTEMPLARxwelcome back wrst!19:43
xTEMPLARxor at least, wrst's quassel server19:43
wrsti clicked on the wrong thing19:43
wrsti went clicky clicky and freenode went bye bye19:44
wrstand thanks xTEMPLARx :)19:44
xTEMPLARx=]19:56
wrstxTEMPLARx: i really want to buy a guitar body now19:56
xTEMPLARxget you some ash/mahogany/sapele/basswood/etc and a jigsaw and do it yourself!  ;D19:57
wrstxTEMPLARx: i just need to do the basics first :)19:59
xTEMPLARxNot putting your cart before the horse, eh?  Probably smart.19:59
wrstoh no i'm not smart20:00
alyawnbinarymutant: "... C sucks ..."... boooo20:01
binarymutantalyawn: already had my re-education :P20:03
xTEMPLARxa tad crude, but funny:  http://bit.ly/O7YN6f20:03
binarymutantMS just recently did that in the kernel ^20:04
alyawnxTEMPLARx, that was my first program! minus the newlines20:05
wrstxTEMPLARx: i so would spend a half day doing stuff in basic just for it not to work because i messed something up in line 34020:06
wrstc64 lots o' fun20:06
xTEMPLARxlol true20:07
xTEMPLARxwewt!  http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/commodore-64/id305504539?mt=820:07
wrstxTEMPLARx: taht is from the devils store20:10
wrst*that20:10
wrstand wb elijah-mbp, you seem to do this every day around this time :)20:10
binarymutantgoto20:10
binarymutanterg20:11
* netritious wipes brow20:27
binarymutantheavy lifting?20:27
netritiouson a clean system, with only two package dependencies in the repo, snort installs from my .deb's20:28
binarymutantthats awesome20:28
netritiousworks OOTB, minus the two packages in repo (libdumbnet1 and libdumbnet-dev20:28
netritious)20:29
binarymutantyou putting them on a ppa?20:29
netritiousnah so not ready20:29
netritiouslintian complains ALOT20:29
binarymutantnot good :/20:29
netritiousexactly, but at least i'm getting somewhere :)20:30
binarymutantwell when they're ready, launchpad's ppa will build them for you20:30
netritiouscool20:30
binarymutanti'd also use pbuilder to test them20:30
netritiousI've read about that somewhere20:30
binarymutantyeah should be posted everwhere20:31
wrstxTEMPLARx: i'm wanting to do this thing candy apple red and that's pretty involved... ohhh how quickly i can get deep into something20:54
xTEMPLARxabsolutely20:54
xTEMPLARxespecially paint20:54
xTEMPLARxthere are a million ways to an end, and none of them fast/easy when it comes to paint20:54
wrstyes looks like its a gold base then a sort of transparent red20:54
xTEMPLARxyup20:54
xTEMPLARxgold metal flake, usually20:54
xTEMPLARxTHEN you have your clear coats20:55
wrstxTEMPLARx: i've done some paint on cars but never anything fancy20:55
wrstyes gold flake20:55
xTEMPLARxand sanding, sanding, sanding20:55
wrstclear coat sand, clear sand clear sand etc etc20:55
wrstand buffing buffing buffing20:55
xTEMPLARx:D20:55
xTEMPLARxfor a proper candy job yeah20:55
xTEMPLARx:D20:55
xTEMPLARxwhoah, double smilies20:56
wrstif i do this i may just go with a solid color and get my feet wet20:56
xTEMPLARxTru-Oil is super easy and feels great on the wood20:56
xTEMPLARxjust sayin'20:56
wrstdo it out of a spray can to start with20:56
xTEMPLARxtime for me to pack up and head to the hizzy20:56
xTEMPLARxL8r wrst and everybody else20:56
wrstlater xTEMPLARx20:57
elijah-mbpdo i really reconnect every day around 3?21:05
elijah-mbpi'd never noticed.21:05
wrstseems that way lately elijah-mbp :)21:10
elijah-mbpi'm rebuilding a windows box here - is it weird that i just don't want to effing install ANYTHING on it?21:26
elijah-mbpi mean, i'm going to install drivers for all my stuff - and steam and a bunch of games - but i don't think i even want to put most of the utils back that i had before.  :p21:27
elijah-mbpi'm probably being pissy but i hate rebuilding machines.21:27
elijah-mbpREALLY hate.21:27
binarymutantimho games are the only thing keeping windows I alive21:29
binarymutants/i/.21:29
binarymutants/i//21:29
binarymutantcan't type today21:29
elijah-mbpthere's a reason i call that box the wintendo ;)21:32
binarymutantwintendo, hilariously fitting21:33
elijah-mbpwhen it crashed i was trying to play arkham asylum ;)  then one of the disks in my raid pair just totally freakin ate it.  and then it turned out that the pair was degraded, so the other disk was crap.21:34
elijah-mbpluckily all the data was backed up somewhere else.  no more data on desktops ;)21:34
elijah-mbpi wish i felt like i had the money to go buy a pair of ssds21:37
binarymutantfor some reason I thought ssd's had less amount of times they could be mounted21:43
elijah-mbpwell... the write durability of them 'could' be less.21:57
binarymutanthttps://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Solid_State_Drives#Limitations doesn't mention mount times22:05
binarymutantin fact I can't find anything about it on a first page google search, so I'm prolly wrong :D22:06
binarymutantof course most of first page google was talking about a different type of 'mount'22:07
binarymutantgoogle-chrome seems very mouse sensitive22:44
binarymutantsometime it clicks stuff when I'm not touching anything...22:45
binarymutantnvm it's synaptics >:(22:46

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