[06:57] <Kilos> cremora minora
[06:58] <charlvn> good morning
[06:58] <charlvn> hi Kilos 
[06:58] <charlvn> Maaz: coffee on
[06:58]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[06:58] <Kilos> yo charlvn 
[06:58] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee please
[06:58] <Maaz> Kilos: Alrighty
[06:58] <charlvn> how's it going
[06:59] <nuvolari> howdy
[06:59] <charlvn> hi nuvolari 
[06:59] <nuvolari> there be life
[06:59] <Kilos> cold and you?
[06:59] <nuvolari> hi charlvn
[06:59] <nuvolari> more oom Kilos 
[06:59] <Kilos> lo nuvolari 
[06:59] <nuvolari> Maaz: please make me some coffee
[06:59] <Maaz> nuvolari: Sorry...
[06:59] <nuvolari> :-/
[06:59] <nuvolari> Maaz: coffee please
[06:59] <Maaz> nuvolari: Okay
[06:59] <charlvn> Kilos: can't say i'm cold, seems like we're in for another hot day, it's already 15 outside
[06:59] <Kilos> whew send here
[07:00] <nuvolari> it's a pretty nice day here
[07:00] <nuvolari> sky-wise, not sure about temperature as I'm wearing a jacket
[07:00] <Kilos> lol your blood has change density with all the time you been down there
[07:01] <Kilos> cant member if it gets thicker or thinner
[07:02] <charlvn> bbl, work
[07:02] <charlvn> Maaz: hurry up with that coffee will you? :)
[07:02] <Maaz> charlvn: What?
[07:02] <Kilos> lol
[07:02] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charlvn, Kilos and nuvolari!
[07:03] <Kilos> Maaz, thanks
[07:03] <Maaz> Kilos: Sure
[07:03] <charlvn> Maaz: thanks!
[07:03] <Maaz> charlvn: Sure
[07:03] <nuvolari> whoot! thanks Maaz 
[07:03] <nuvolari> Maaz: thanks
[07:03] <Maaz> nuvolari: No problem
[07:03] <nuvolari> Maaz: botsnack
[07:03] <Maaz> Yay, at last someone thinks about me as well
[07:05] <nuvolari> Kilos: hoe werk die night-data nou weer?
[07:05] <Kilos> na 1 tot 5 innie oggend
[07:06] <Kilos> na 11
[07:06] <nuvolari> @#$%^
[07:06] <nuvolari> oh
[07:06] <Kilos> 23.05
[07:06] <nuvolari> jinne
[07:06] <nuvolari> lol, ek wou nou net sê ek slaap 01:00 ini oggend
[07:06] <Kilos> lol
[07:07] <Kilos> 11 is nie ver weg nie
[07:09] <nuvolari> hrr :-/
[07:09] <nuvolari> my muis is vol draadwerk
[07:09] <nuvolari> *my draadlose muis is vol draadwerk
[07:09] <Kilos> lol
[07:09] <nuvolari> o gits, my koffie word goud
[07:09] <nuvolari> er, koud
[07:09] <nuvolari> ek is nou terug
[07:38] <Kilos> hi psydroid 
[07:38] <psydroid> hi Kilos
[07:39] <psydroid> how did yesterday's adventure end?
[07:39] <psydroid> are you running ubuntu 12.04 now?
[07:39] <Kilos> which one?
[07:39] <Kilos> lol
[07:40] <psydroid> haha
[07:40] <Kilos> i still cant get usb modem working on 12.04
[07:40] <Kilos> but skis3g connects
[07:40] <Kilos> but then emails and mxit dont work
[07:40] <psydroid> but it works on 10.04?
[07:41] <psydroid> that's weird
[07:41] <Kilos> yeah modem works kiff on 10.04 and 11.04
[07:41] <psydroid> do you have any idea what the problem might be?
[07:42] <Kilos> something in nm that lets enable mobile broadband to not show all the time
[07:43] <Kilos> works with my cell as it shows enable mobile broadband
[07:43] <Kilos> but the auto connect function does work either
[07:44] <Kilos> so every cut you gotta manual start
[07:54] <psydroid> I had some problems with nm on my (now broken) laptop too
[07:56] <Kilos> with what releaser
[07:56] <Kilos> release
[07:56] <Kilos> hi SilverCode 
[07:56] <psydroid> my network card worked perfectly on 10.04 but on 12.04 it wouldn't connect, so I needed an external USB adapter
[07:56] <SilverCode> hi Kilos
[07:57] <psydroid> it could be a kernel driver problem too, but I didn't get so far
[07:57] <Kilos> there is lots of try this try that at them places 
[07:57] <Kilos> launchpad i think
[07:57] <psydroid> yeah
[07:57] <Kilos> or forums
[07:57] <Kilos> i tried lots of their scripts etc but nothing worked
[07:58] <Kilos> they should just fix nm on 12.04 or bring the one from 10.10 or 11.04
[08:00] <Kilos> 12.04 is 4 months old and still got the prob
[08:00] <Kilos> internet connecting should be a priority
[08:00] <psydroid> that's why I have them installed side by side, I can't be bothered to find solutions to problems that didn't even occur on previous releases
[08:01] <psydroid> things should move forward, not backward
[08:01] <psydroid> especially not on LTS versions
[08:05] <Kilos> ya
[08:05] <Kilos> i wish i was cleverer
[08:06] <Kilos> would make the 11.04 nm work on 12.04
[08:06] <Kilos> and remove the 12.04 one
[08:07] <psydroid> usually that's not even possible
[08:07] <Kilos> yeah but what is different
[08:07] <Kilos> same script files isnt it
[08:07] <Kilos> similar
[08:08] <Kilos> like why keep pumping one wheel that keeps going flat if you have a good spare in the boot
[08:08] <psydroid> or you would have to do a lot of coding to make up for the mismatch between library versions that are installed and expected to be installed on your system
[08:09] <Kilos> hi Stephan 
[08:09] <Kilos> hi superfly 
[08:09] <superfly> hi Kilos
[08:10] <Kilos> superfly, does kde use the same nm as unity?
[08:10] <Stephan> hi Kilos
[08:10] <superfly> Kilos: Network Manager has a number of parts
[08:11] <superfly> Kilos: so while both KDE and Unity use Network Manager, they don't use the same one
[08:11] <Kilos> does the kde one work on usb modem
[08:13] <psydroid> hi superfly
[08:15] <psydroid> I'm eager to try out the next Ubuntu/Kubuntu daily to see if Wayland is already usable
[08:15] <Kilos> Stephan, are you new here?
[08:16] <superfly> hi psydroid
[08:16] <superfly> psydroid: are they using Wayland from 12.10?
[08:16] <psydroid> hi Stephan and Silvercode
[08:17] <psydroid> superfly, I think everything should be in place so people can test it in 12.10, I don't think they'll switch until 13.04 or 13.10
[08:18] <psydroid> that's what I read when I was searching for information a few months ago
[08:19] <Kilos> yo barns Banlam bakuman 
[08:20] <Kilos> psydroid, if they remove nm from hiding the enable broadband option then it will work im sure
[08:21] <Kilos> also if you lsusb it shows the modem in storage mode so usb-modeswitch isnt working properly
[08:21] <psydroid> Kilos, what is the reason for hiding it in the first place?
[08:22] <psydroid> oh, so that looks like a problem with kernel drivers
[08:22] <Kilos> it seems to be fashionable
[08:23] <Kilos> im on 11.04 now here so cant show the output of lsusb
[08:23] <Kilos> but its where it shows bbbb:0000
[08:23] <Kilos> it should be bbbb:0017
[08:24] <Kilos> Bus 001 Device 002: ID 1bbb:0000 T & A Mobile Phones 
[08:24] <Kilos> if we can hack that somehow it will work
[08:25] <Kilos> so modeswitch doesnt have to do the deciding
[08:26] <psydroid> hmm, I hope someone here knows how to deal with that stuff
[08:27] <psydroid> I've never had such an adapter to work with, since I've been on broadband using cable or adsl for more than a decade
[08:28] <Kilos> you lucky
[08:28] <Kilos> dont you guys have rural areas without cable 
[08:29] <Kilos> im sure this usb modem thing is gonna lose us lotsa ubuntu followers
[08:37] <Kilos> and i dunno how to make modprob find it
[08:37] <Kilos> looks like modprobe adds things to the kernel
[08:39] <superfly> Kilos: My USB modem has always worked fine in Kubuntu
[08:42] <Kilos> even 12.04?
[08:42] <Kilos> whew
[08:43] <superfly> Kilos: I haven't used it in 12.04 cause I have ADSL\
[08:43] <Kilos> lol lotsa peeps didnt have probs till 12.04
[08:44] <Kilos> internet full of please helps
[08:48] <Kilos> does this look like a solution  guys
[08:48] <Kilos> http://askubuntu.com/questions/126854/problem-connecting-internet-through-usb-modem-micromax
[08:49] <Kilos> if so how would one make it a permanent thing not redo after every reboot
[08:53] <SilverCode> Kilos: you might be able to set up a udev rule to do that when the modem is inserted
[08:54] <Kilos> SilverCode, i dunno how to do them kinda things
[08:55] <SilverCode> Kilos: yeah, unfortunately I can't give much more info than that right now. Have all those sorts of scripts on my work machine
[08:55] <Kilos> and is the vendor there OMEGA TECHNOLOGY
[08:55] <Kilos> np but ty for the advice. someone will tell me how to 
[08:57] <Kilos> im going back to 12.04 brb
[09:10] <superfly> Kilos: pastebin the entire ouput of lsusb for me please?
[09:31] <magespawn> Congratulations tumbleweed, approved as ubuntu core developer, from Ubuntu Developer on g+.
[12:33] <smile4ever> hi :)
[13:05] <smile4ever> hallo :)
[13:05] <smile4ever> :p
[13:14] <Kilos> hi smile4ever 
[13:20] <smile4ever> :)
[13:38] <Kilos> hmm
[14:13] <Kilos> sigh
[14:13] <Kilos> looks like i gonna have to install winsucks again
[14:14] <Kilos> just to use this method of moding modem
[14:14] <Kilos> http://luv2know.wordpress.com/
[14:15] <Kilos> modifying
[14:18] <smile4ever> Kilos: No you don't have to :) if you learn programming ^^
[14:18] <smile4ever> :p
[15:45] <magespawn> Evening.
[15:49] <Trixar_za> Hey magespawn
[15:49] <Cantide> hi ^^
[15:49] <Trixar_za> Kilos: 3G Modem?
[15:50] <Trixar_za> Also I'm starting to notice there is several ways to connect using one now
[15:50] <magespawn> Hey  Trixar_za, cantide
[15:52] <Trixar_za> Connman's 3G extension, Network Manager, Saki3G (if you update it a bit for more modems and providers like 8ta) and Betavine
[15:52] <Trixar_za> And that's off the top of my head
[15:57] <nuvolari> o/ g'evening
[15:57] <nuvolari> lo magespawn, Cantide, Trixar_za 
[15:57] <Trixar_za> GNOME Network Manager, Sakis3G*
[15:57] <Trixar_za> :p
[15:58] <nuvolari> seems like gnome is going downhill?
[15:58] <nuvolari> I hope it's not :-/
[15:59] <Cantide> hi nuvolari :)
[15:59] <nuvolari> been my favourite for quite a while
[15:59] <Trixar_za> There will always be MATE and Cinnamon for joo
[16:00] <Trixar_za> Even XFCE4 is taking a 'classic' GNOME look
[16:00] <magespawn> Hey nuvolari
[16:00] <Kilos> hi magespawn Trixar_za smile 
[16:00] <smile> hi Kilos :p
[16:01] <Kilos> yeah Trixar_za sorry i was asleep. head no good today
[16:01] <Trixar_za> But yeah, Betavine is the closest you'd get to the Vodafone client on Linux
[16:01] <Trixar_za> :P
[16:01] <Cantide> hmm
[16:01] <Cantide> what's the problem, Kilos ?
[16:01] <Kilos> sec im trying to think
[16:02] <Kilos> oh ya i cant get it going with nm
[16:02] <Kilos> have sakis3g but then no email works or mxit
[16:02] <Trixar_za> Read up. You have lots of options :)
[16:02] <Trixar_za> Wait. why not?
[16:03] <Trixar_za> Actually, better question, what model is the modem? :P
[16:03] <Kilos> i read all the stuff int the help places there
[16:03] <Trixar_za> I can rebuild sakis3g to be newer atleast
[16:03] <Kilos> its an alcatel stc one
[16:03] <Kilos> was from saudi arabia but unblocked it
[16:03] <nuvolari> yeah, xfce is rocking my boat currently, so I'm happy with it
[16:04] <Cantide> oh...
[16:04] <Cantide> i see .-.
[16:04] <Kilos> i am using 11.04 now and it works fine
[16:04] <smile> Kilos: cool :)
[16:05] <Kilos> its in the nm dropdown window it doesnt show enable mobilebroadband on 12.04
[16:05] <Kilos> also if i go lsusb it shows the modem in storage mode
[16:06] <Kilos> Bus 003 Device 002: ID 1bbb:0000 T & A Mobile Phones 
[16:06] <Kilos> but on releases before 12.04 usb-modeswitch sorted that
[16:08] <Trixar_za> Yeah, but usb-modeswitch-data has some errors :/
[16:08] <Trixar_za> To make it work with NM, you need to have the damn thing switched
[16:08] <Kilos> oh
[16:09] <Kilos> did you look at the link i left here
[16:09] <Kilos> oh my was i still on 12.04
[16:09] <Trixar_za> The askubuntu one?
[16:09] <Kilos> no
[16:10] <Kilos> where i said i gotta install windows
[16:10] <Trixar_za> That's bad advice. You must use option instead of usbserial
[16:10] <Kilos> http://luv2know.wordpress.com/
[16:10] <Trixar_za> usbserial has a buffer limit
[16:10] <Trixar_za> where option does not
[16:11] <Kilos> didnt that say you can get a program to change the switch thin in the modem itself
[16:12] <Kilos> product id you change
[16:12] <Kilos> then it wont be seen as storage isnt it??
[16:12] <Trixar_za> Yes, when most modem switch their product id change
[16:13] <Trixar_za> That's what you normally use usb_modeswitch fore
[16:13] <Trixar_za> Hell, it's what I sometimes use sakis3g for - just to switch it :P
[16:13] <Kilos> ya i member when i first went to the modem
[16:13] <Trixar_za> Then I dial up using gnome-ppp
[16:14] <Kilos> do you just type in gnome-ppp
[16:15] <Kilos> the answer would be to block the storage in the modem then nm will work again surely
[16:16] <Kilos> ive lost sound here on 11.04 thats why i never heard you guys
[16:17] <Kilos> oh my
[16:19] <Trixar_za> No you need to install gnome-ppp and you probably need to run it as root to work properly. For some reason if the user isn't in the right group, they can't dialup
[16:20] <Kilos> ok ill try that. see you now now on 12.04
[16:22] <Trixar_za> Oh right, Ubuntu comes with Sudo
[16:23] <Trixar_za> I keep forgetting :/
[16:25] <smile> Trixar_za: if you keep forgetting in a terminal, type sudo su
[16:26] <smile> after that you don't have to use sudo anymore, as long as the terminal stays open
[16:26] <smile> :p
[16:26] <Trixar_za> Nah, it's just that SliTaz doesn't come with it pre-installed
[16:26] <Trixar_za> so I have gotten in the habit of explaining around using Sudo
[16:26] <smile> I see :)
[16:27] <smile> sudo is maybe 0.5 mb, that's too much for slitaz
[16:27] <Trixar_za> No and my fork will probably have it
[16:27] <Trixar_za> If I ever get a proper connection to make it :P
[16:27] <smile> lol. :p
[16:29] <smile> bye :)
[16:29] <Trixar_za> Bye smile
[16:29] <smile> good night :)
[16:51] <Kilos> Trixar_za, sorry to worry you. gnome-ppp needs some info i dunn
[16:51] <Kilos> dunno either
[16:52] <Kilos> dial command
[16:52] <Kilos> have *99# and says its invalid
[16:53] <Trixar_za> *99# works for me. So does the username internet and password 12345
[16:53] <Trixar_za> :P
[16:53] <Trixar_za> But you need to setup the device it uses
[16:53] <Trixar_za> Under setup
[16:54] <Kilos> that where i put *99#
[16:54] <Trixar_za> For my cellphone it's /dev/ttyACM0 and for my 3G Modem it's /dev/ttyUSB3
[16:54] <Kilos> miny is /dev/ttyUSB2
[16:55] <Trixar_za> I use sakis3g to switch the modem, so it does the whole device setup and everything and gives me a device to work with
[16:56] <Trixar_za> http://www.trixarian.net/sakis3g.gz <--- my copy of Sakis3g
[16:56] <Kilos> ATM1L3DT*99#
[16:56] <Kilos> GNOME PPP: STDERR: ERROR
[16:56] <Kilos> GNOME PPP: STDERR: --> Invalid dial command.
[16:56] <Kilos> i think its the dialup string thing thats wrong
[16:57] <Kilos> i got your sakis3g but need to work how to install it, other one i did with wget commands from their site
[16:58] <Trixar_za> --> Modem initialized.
[16:58] <Trixar_za> --> Sending: ATM0L0DP*99#
[16:58] <Trixar_za> Just right click and extract it
[16:58] <Trixar_za> The just run it. It will ask for root permission as it needs it
[16:58] <Trixar_za> It's a normal bash script
[16:58] <Trixar_za> Comes with usb_modeswitch built in
[16:59] <Kilos> --> Modem initialized.
[16:59] <Kilos>  --> Sending: ATM1L3DT*99#
[16:59] <Kilos> --> Waiting for carrier.
[16:59] <Kilos>  ATM1L3DT*99#
[17:00] <Kilos>  ERROR
[17:00] <Kilos> GNOME PPP: STDERR: --> Invalid dial command.
[17:05] <Kilos> Trixar_za, what must i right click?
[17:05] <Trixar_za> the sakis3g.gz file and extract it
[17:06] <Trixar_za> Doubling clicking should pop up a dialog box in Ubuntu. If it doesn't, try running it from a terminal
[17:06] <Kilos> oh. this gnome-ppp sees the modem just needs to know how or where to dial *99#
[17:07] <Kilos> read up 10
[17:10] <Trixar_za> Sakis3g is probably the easiest since it does most of the work for you
[17:11] <Trixar_za> Shame about it not being updated in 2 years
[20:48] <zeref> whoah, anybody watch the 200m
[21:14] <nuvolari> aw :'( sunette missed bronze by 40cm
[21:15] <nuvolari> @#$% now I'm going to have a bad night's rest
[21:15] <nuvolari> 'night