| * ckontros waves | 01:41 | |
| * ckontros will be back to hang out at a better time. :-) | 01:45 | |
| ScottL_ | aw, cory is gone | 01:46 |
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| ScottL_ | i'm curious to what he thinks about 12.04 | 01:46 |
| len-dt | ScottL_, ok i386 tests done for today. | 03:15 |
| len-dt | ScottL_, Just looking at the video meta in seeds. Are you sure we should split this one? There don't seem to be that many differences to make it worth while. | 03:20 |
| ScottL_ | len-dt: i don't remember the video seeds currently, are we splitting it into pro and home? is it just noted that it _should_ be split? | 03:22 |
| len-dt | ScottL_, Ya, there are two groups of apps marked home and pro. | 03:22 |
| len-dt | The note says: | 03:23 |
| ScottL_ | it should actually be split into two meta though, i beleive | 03:23 |
| len-dt | # packages for future (precise+1) video-pro task/seed | 03:23 |
| len-dt | # (duplicates from above commented out) | 03:23 |
| len-dt | There are only two extra apps in home. | 03:23 |
| len-dt | Does this mean splitting the menu as well? | 03:24 |
| len-dt | Or to ask another way... are we splitting out things like audacity as home audio and ardour as pro? | 03:25 |
| len-dt | ScottL_, ^^ | 03:25 |
| len-dt | ScottL_, My opinion is that there is not enough difference to make a split worth while. | 03:30 |
| len-dt | That dvdstyler (or something like it) is just as likely to be used professionally as at home. (think wedding videos) | 03:31 |
| len-dt | That leaves openshot as the only difference. | 03:32 |
| ScottL_ | len-dt: if you install the video meta you get all the apps | 03:33 |
| ScottL_ | home and pro | 03:33 |
| len-dt | also micahg says that a new binary would have to be reviewed which is why we did photography and publishing at the same time | 03:33 |
| len-dt | Yes right now, but not if we split it. | 03:33 |
| ScottL_ | len-dt: but you did that for quantal, correct? | 03:33 |
| micahg | sorry I haven't gotten to that yet, I need to get some help with it | 03:34 |
| len-dt | Yes. I am talking about quantel | 03:34 |
| ScottL_ | oh, i thought you were asking about 12.04.1 :P | 03:34 |
| ScottL_ | my bad | 03:34 |
| ScottL_ | for quantal, i think we probably should be splitting it up, but i'm not sure quite yet | 03:34 |
| len-dt | ScottL_, the only thing I can see to possibly do for precise was the menu fixes, but I think it is too late now. | 03:35 |
| ScottL_ | or maybe for quantal+1 we should split it up and leave quantal as is | 03:35 |
| ScottL_ | len-dt: yeah, precise.1 is good at this point | 03:35 |
| len-dt | ScottL_, we are not overflowing with people | 03:35 |
| ScottL_ | aye, that is true | 03:35 |
| len-dt | ScottL_, are you still thinking of trying kdenlive? | 03:38 |
| ScottL_ | i am, it is a really robust non-linear editor | 03:41 |
| ScottL_ | much better than ralph gives it credit | 03:41 |
| ScottL_ | openshot is pretty good too, but it _does_ lack some key things that kdenlive does | 03:41 |
| ScottL_ | but kdenlive just has sooo many extra libraries | 03:41 |
| len-dt | ScottL_, it would mean a lot of libs I think. | 03:42 |
| ScottL_ | blender does a pret+ | 03:42 |
| len-dt | I have added it to extra software in video though. | 03:42 |
| ScottL_ | blender does a really good job of certain things that neither kdenlive or openshot can do | 03:43 |
| ScottL_ | but blender also sucks at UI and making things easier for people to use (like HD video) | 03:43 |
| ScottL_ | the lesser of three evils is still openshot sadly | 03:43 |
| ScottL_ | but kdenlive really rocks, if it wasn't for the extra libraries it would be preferred hands down, i beleive | 03:44 |
| len-dt | ScottL_, I don't know that we will get workflow selection back this cycle. maybe wait for that to happen | 03:44 |
| ScottL_ | i'm using kdenlive currently for the youtube minecraft series i am doing with my son | 03:44 |
| ScottL_ | len-dt: i think that is okay, emmit said some stuff was happening anyway that might change it | 03:45 |
| len-dt | It may be a good idea to go through the blue print as mark some things postponed ... | 03:46 |
| ScottL_ | and astral.java, who started it last cycle, hasn't been active lately (i _think_) so it would probably be kinda iffy-squeezy to get it done anyway | 03:46 |
| ScottL_ | len-dt: good point | 03:46 |
| len-dt | ScottL_, I find myself looking at a lot of things and wondering if I should even start. | 03:46 |
| len-dt | I have been "cherry picking" | 03:47 |
| len-dt | Doing what I find easy | 03:47 |
| ScottL_ | hehe, yeah i understand | 03:47 |
| ScottL_ | i'm going to be getting more involved again...either next week or the following | 03:47 |
| ScottL_ | i've started getting other things lined out and progressing so my time should be freeing up again | 03:48 |
| len-dt | A lot of the thing I am marked for inprogress are commited just not uploaded. | 03:48 |
| ScottL_ | that is very good as well :) | 03:52 |
| ScottL_ | len-dt: one thing we might think about...is how can we improve ubuntu studio upstream | 03:53 |
| ScottL_ | meaning, can we articulate ask any upstream people to make change(s) that will help ubuntu studio | 03:54 |
| ScottL_ | ? | 03:54 |
| ScottL_ | for example, blender absolutely provides better multicam support by simply (not that this is the only thing) allow to monitors to be shown on the screen which will each display a different video clip | 03:55 |
| ScottL_ | s/allow to monitors/allowing two monitors | 03:55 |
| ScottL_ | if they could just unfek themselves with making it easier to import or use video clips, that alone would go great lengths to making it more palatable for everyday people | 03:56 |
| len-dt | ScottL_, It would take someone using the SW for their own projects. | 03:56 |
| ScottL_ | i'm going to start making a matrix of what openshot, kdenlive, and blender can and can't do, what they do well and don't do well | 03:57 |
| len-dt | I personally would not be able to explain what was needed. | 03:57 |
| ScottL_ | len-dt: that's one facet of what i'm doing currently | 03:57 |
| len-dt | It was suggested that the place to fix xchat was upstream. (but still in ubuntu) | 03:57 |
| len-dt | Putting a hook in so that each flavour could add their channel. | 03:58 |
| len-dt | Ubuntu does so in the source right now. | 03:58 |
| len-dt | A hook could add things from a system config. | 03:59 |
| len-dt | The feeling is that it would be easier to maintain than a file in /etc/skel where I had it. | 03:59 |
| ScottL_ | goings to bed | 04:16 |
| len-dt | GN | 04:16 |
| astraljava | Just a heads-up, new alsa-lib and alsa-utils are landing on quantal soon. | 09:33 |
| astraljava | scott-work: Did you just make the CD image build emails through? | 12:18 |
| astraljava | s/make/"whatever is the appropriate verb here"/ | 12:18 |
| kubotu | astraljava meant: "scott-work: Did you just "whatever is the appropriate verb here" the CD image build emails through?" | 12:18 |
| astraljava | shuttup kubotu | 12:19 |
| scott-work | lol kubotu | 12:41 |
| scott-work | astraljava: yes, i just clean out the queue for the mailing list and approved all those CD image build notices | 12:41 |
| scott-work | were they for quantal or precise? | 12:41 |
| scott-work | oh, a mixture | 12:42 |
| scott-work | i expected the precise ones as len had reported only some 12.04.1 images were available | 12:42 |
| len-dt | scott-work, I was told the whole i386 building was broken. | 12:43 |
| scott-work | len-dt: for quantal or precise? | 12:43 |
| len-dt | everything for a few days. | 12:43 |
| astraljava | scott-work: I just wondered why they were stopped this time. | 12:46 |
| astraljava | As they were not very long, in fact only a few lines, according to my mutt. | 12:47 |
| scott-work | len-dt: i would like to bounce some ideas off of you for work flow support when you have a few minutes | 13:24 |
| len-dt | scott-work, ok. | 13:25 |
| scott-work | oh, hehe, didn't think you would be ready that quick, let me handle one thing and i'll be back in 15 secs | 13:25 |
| scott-work | len-dt: okay, here's what i'm thinking (and i almost wish i had worked something up visually first) | 13:27 |
| scott-work | one of my concerns is making it as accessible or intuitive or immediate as possible | 13:29 |
| scott-work | so i'm thinking about the panel as a dock thing | 13:29 |
| len-dt | Ok, so you are talking workflow from a GUI POV | 13:29 |
| scott-work | and rather than have a single menu entry on that, for which you would be present with Audio, Video, etc on the first level | 13:29 |
| scott-work | perhaps breaking these out into each category so we would have a "audio menu" icon, a "video menu" icon, etc | 13:30 |
| scott-work | and that's great for some "less branchy", more "linear" work flows, maybe for video or graphics or whatnot | 13:30 |
| len-dt | scott-work, that would not be hard. | 13:30 |
| scott-work | but what about audio when you have perhaps four or more (making up numbers) work flows | 13:30 |
| len-dt | I think with audio we could break that up too and have more than one icon. | 13:31 |
| scott-work | i wonder if we could have perhaps separate menu icons for "audio menu #1 - record real instruments" and "audio menu #2 - electronic music generation" | 13:31 |
| len-dt | Those two get used together a lot. | 13:32 |
| scott-work | this doesn't molest the main menu (leaves it original) but makes it very accessible and based on work flows | 13:32 |
| scott-work | len-dt: yeah, that might not have been the best example to show the difference :P | 13:32 |
| scott-work | and we can easily include the same apps in various "work flow menus" then | 13:32 |
| scott-work | we could even label the icons like the old microsoft word icon looked: http://rocketdock.com/images/screenshots/word-5.png | 13:33 |
| scott-work | maybe | 13:33 |
| len-dt | You might have composing, recording, effects rack, live sound. | 13:33 |
| scott-work | ooooh, that sounds good | 13:33 |
| scott-work | yeah, yeah | 13:34 |
| scott-work | again, it's immediate and intuitive | 13:34 |
| scott-work | to icons: we could use A in a box for audio menus, V in a box for video, etc | 13:35 |
| scott-work | maybe for audio we can use A with subscript C for composing, A with subscript R for recording, etc | 13:35 |
| len-dt | We would want to keep the icons not too small then. | 13:35 |
| scott-work | maybe even the subscript letter not really fully subscript, just smaller and slightly overlapping the A as if it is in front and on top | 13:36 |
| scott-work | but not too large either, right? :P | 13:36 |
| len-dt | maybe 32bit? | 13:36 |
| len-dt | When I was testing 12.04 before release I was using 24 bit and it was ok on my netbook. | 13:37 |
| len-dt | when I installed I left the size but moved it to the side. | 13:37 |
| scott-work | we can try it and see what it is like | 13:37 |
| len-dt | 36 looks ok. I thnk it depends on how much is in the panel. | 13:39 |
| len-dt | scott-work, I think we need to be careful we don't over load the panel | 13:40 |
| len-dt | if there are too many icons there it becomes cluttered | 13:40 |
| scott-work | len-dt: i guess i am envisioning less than ten icons, do you think we would need more | 13:40 |
| * scott-work admits he hasn't really quantified anything at this point, more of just brainstorming | 13:41 | |
| len-dt | There are some other things on the panel besides work flows, trash, terminal, files etc. | 13:42 |
| len-dt | xchat and browser could be removed (I guess terminal too) | 13:42 |
| len-dt | but I think a user should not have to access trash and other files from the desktop. | 13:43 |
| scott-work | okay, we minimize the number of other icons to trash and file manager (nautilus in this case), perhaps with a seperator between the work flows and these? | 13:44 |
| len-dt | Sure. | 13:44 |
| smartboyhw | Hi! | 14:01 |
| scott-work | hi smartboyhw ! | 14:03 |
| scott-work | i see you got my email :) | 14:03 |
| smartboyhw | Yep!@ | 14:03 |
| scott-work | how do you want to help ubuntu studio? | 14:03 |
| smartboyhw | Dev, bug, (especially) testing | 14:04 |
| scott-work | oooh, testing :) | 14:05 |
| scott-work | we always needs people helping with testing | 14:05 |
| scott-work | smartboyhw: do you do any coding? | 14:06 |
| smartboyhw | Some, but only fixing bugs. Don't tell me to do big ones, I am bulls..t | 14:07 |
| smartboyhw | scott-work: There is a new bug team, am I right? | 14:08 |
| scott-work | smartboyhw: i believe so, i think ailo (and maybe len-dt ) helped set that up | 14:09 |
| smartboyhw | Joined that one, doesn't know what it'll do. | 14:10 |
| smartboyhw | scott-work: Who are the guys working for Ubuntu Studio? | 14:11 |
| scott-work | smartboyhw: mostly i would say: ailo, astraljava, len-dt, micahg and me | 14:12 |
| scott-work | although i believe ailo and len are doing the most work lately | 14:12 |
| smartboyhw | Good, I know astraljava. | 14:12 |
| scott-work | micah really has other responsibilities but helps us out with specific items and uploading to the repositories quite a bit | 14:13 |
| smartboyhw | Do you have a list? | 14:13 |
| smartboyhw | Or can I join? (Stupid question) | 14:13 |
| scott-work | i'm just getting back involved after a few months hiatus | 14:13 |
| scott-work | smartboyhw: we have a mailing list, did you mean that? | 14:13 |
| smartboyhw | I remember you guys having who's doing what on the Wiki | 14:13 |
| scott-work | specifically, there are two mailing lists: one for -users and -dev, i believe both are open to join | 14:14 |
| smartboyhw | I am in both | 14:14 |
| smartboyhw | I want to be responsible for QA | 14:14 |
| smartboyhw | Testing = QA | 14:14 |
| scott-work | we have this wiki page with members: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/TeamStructure | 14:15 |
| smartboyhw | Yes, this one! | 14:15 |
| scott-work | we would love to have someone help with overseeing QA and testing :) | 14:15 |
| smartboyhw | Yep, I will do that. | 14:16 |
| scott-work | but since ailo and len-dt really seem to be heading that up, i should defer to them | 14:16 |
| smartboyhw | Hmm, what's the core team? | 14:16 |
| scott-work | however, i should point out that we typically prefer people to establish themselves as active and effective before really accepting into any particular team | 14:17 |
| smartboyhw | Yep, alright. | 14:17 |
| scott-work | the core team are the ones who might be those with the most longevity or experience | 14:17 |
| smartboyhw | Well. | 14:18 |
| scott-work | i suppose that is one way to look at the core team | 14:18 |
| scott-work | smartboyhw: here is what i would suggest, sort of a plan, to get involved with testing | 14:18 |
| len-dt | Or just those who do something... | 14:18 |
| smartboyhw | Oh, len-dt's here. | 14:18 |
| scott-work | work with len-dt and ailo and get directly involved with testing | 14:18 |
| smartboyhw | Downloading the Daily Build to test. | 14:18 |
| len-dt | smartboyhw, what HW are you testing on? | 14:19 |
| scott-work | we do the daily testing as needed, but we have monthly milestone testing as well (alpha1, alpha2, alpha3, beta1, beta2, rc) | 14:19 |
| len-dt | 32 or 64 bit? | 14:19 |
| smartboyhw | 64-bit. | 14:19 |
| len-dt | smartboyhw, good. | 14:19 |
| smartboyhw | Hopefully daily testing, but I still got Ubuntu Desktop to care. | 14:19 |
| len-dt | I normally do a lot of 32 bit testing. | 14:19 |
| scott-work | dailies are required, but we like to do them as needed for specific items | 14:20 |
| scott-work | oops, should have read "dailies are NOT required" | 14:20 |
| smartboyhw | 64-bit is better for me | 14:20 |
| smartboyhw | ... | 14:20 |
| len-dt | We need testing on both | 14:20 |
| scott-work | the milestone testing is required by the ubuntu-qa team | 14:20 |
| smartboyhw | I'm in ubuntu-qa, sort of. | 14:20 |
| scott-work | we risk not being able to release for final if we start missing milestone testing | 14:21 |
| smartboyhw | Don't worry, I will always test for milestones. | 14:21 |
| scott-work | i need to get some work done at work, i'll be back on later | 14:21 |
| smartboyhw | OK, bye, scott-work! | 14:21 |
| smartboyhw | len-dt: Is is that we need to test for 12.04.1? | 14:22 |
| len-dt | Ya, I did 32 bit yesterday. 64 is not done. | 14:22 |
| smartboyhw | I will do the 64 ones. | 14:23 |
| smartboyhw_ | I am BACK! | 14:25 |
| smartboyhw_ | len_dt: You here? | 14:27 |
| len-dt | smartboyhw_, yes | 14:27 |
| smartboyhw_ | Testing 12.10 64-bit daily now | 14:27 |
| === smartboyhw_ is now known as smartboyhw | ||
| smartboyhw | len-dt: Why is the Quantal Daily Build's ubiquity all in black | 14:32 |
| smartboyhw | you guys better redesign the UI. | 14:33 |
| holstein | lol | 14:33 |
| holstein | im sure its a glitch... our UI guy is MIA | 14:33 |
| smartboyhw | OK, thanks | 14:33 |
| holstein | but, it'll get sorted | 14:33 |
| len-dt | We pretty much use whatever xubuntu uses. | 14:33 |
| smartboyhw | MIA let's me think of CIA | 14:33 |
| smartboyhw | L) | 14:34 |
| smartboyhw | Anyone except scott-work know what is the new Bugs Team on Launchpad? | 14:35 |
| smartboyhw | Hey, answer me, please. (This is bad etiquette of IRC) | 14:37 |
| len-dt | He's not here for a few days. | 14:37 |
| smartboyhw | OK. | 14:37 |
| holstein | ? | 14:38 |
| len-dt | ailo was doing that, he set it up. | 14:38 |
| holstein | smartboyhw: check out a few things if you dont mind | 14:38 |
| holstein | !patients | smartboyhw | 14:38 |
| len-dt | He is out of network reach for a few days. | 14:38 |
| holstein | !ask | 14:38 |
| ubottu | Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) See also !patience | 14:38 |
| holstein | !patience | smartboyhw | 14:38 |
| ubottu | smartboyhw: Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly; if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. While you wait, try searching https://help.ubuntu.com or http://ubuntuforums.org or http://askubuntu.com/ | 14:38 |
| holstein | if you are joking, put a smiley there | 14:39 |
| smartboyhw | Wow, don't put so many warnings to me | 14:39 |
| holstein | smartboyhw: its not a warning, its a request | 14:39 |
| smartboyhw | Ok. | 14:40 |
| holstein | smartboyhw: i for one very much appreciate your help testing iso's and we need the help | 14:40 |
| holstein | smartboyhw: len-dt is a very busy guy, as is scott-work | 14:40 |
| smartboyhw | Still testing, installing Daily Build Quantal amd64 Ubuntu Studio | 14:40 |
| holstein | as far as dealing with bugs, you can do that if you'd like... anyone with an LP account can "help" | 14:41 |
| smartboyhw | ...Yeah, just a bit ?ed of it's existence | 14:41 |
| holstein | we dont have anyone besides scott-work and len-dt doing much with bugs.. other than offical higher-ups that we bother | 14:41 |
| smartboyhw | holstein: Why is there only you on the Support team in:https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/TeamStructure | 14:43 |
| smartboyhw | !patience | smartboyhw | 14:44 |
| ubottu | smartboyhw, please see my private message | 14:44 |
| holstein | smartboyhw: we dont really have a team, we are quite small right now | 14:45 |
| smartboyhw | ... | 14:45 |
| holstein | smartboyhw: which is a good time for someone such as yourself | 14:45 |
| holstein | you can add yourself to the team,a nd start helping | 14:46 |
| smartboyhw | Ok, I will add myself to the support team. | 14:46 |
| holstein | smartboyhw: helping test the iso's is very nice! | 14:46 |
| len-dt | smartboyhw, I am actually ver new here too. | 14:46 |
| holstein | smartboyhw: i am the one that tries to hang in the IRC channel and make contact with everyone i can | 14:46 |
| smartboyhw | Wow, everyone's new! | 14:46 |
| smartboyhw | idding | 14:46 |
| holstein | smartboyhw: len-dt is are heavy lifter... scott-work is the organizer and team lead, and he does a little bit of everything else | 14:46 |
| holstein | knome did most of our site, and is helping us tremendously from team xubuntu | 14:47 |
| holstein | astraljava too helps US tremendously | 14:48 |
| smartboyhw | OK, I have put myself in the support team to start with. | 14:48 |
| smartboyhw | Go to :https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/TeamStructure to check | 14:48 |
| holstein | smartboyhw: that is easy... you can hang in the IRC channel #ubuntustudio , and just "be there" really | 14:48 |
| smartboyhw | Yep. | 14:49 |
| smartboyhw | If ailo approves, I will enter myself in the Testing Team | 14:49 |
| holstein | just say something when you can, and try and help... make is see like we are not dead, which we are not | 14:49 |
| holstein | smartboyhw: ailo will.. i think he has been out for a bit | 14:49 |
| smartboyhw | Don't worry, I will be good. | 14:49 |
| holstein | smartboyhw: you might want to review the code of conduct | 14:50 |
| smartboyhw | I have signed it | 14:50 |
| holstein | cool!... welcome aboard! | 14:50 |
| len-dt | you can add yourself to the testing team, but be aware that the testing ailo has in mind is not just ISO tests. | 14:51 |
| smartboyhw | Don't worry, I can do OTHER tests. | 14:51 |
| len-dt | We actually want to test various system "tweaks" for audio/MIDI/video improvements | 14:51 |
| smartboyhw | Added myself to testing team. Also I can test tweaks, but don't tell me to code a lot | 14:52 |
| smartboyhw | OK, finished testing, passed in ISO tracker. | 14:52 |
| holstein | no one will tell you to do anything... | 14:52 |
| smartboyhw | Yep. | 14:53 |
| holstein | we'll have tests, and ailo will ask.. politely | 14:53 |
| smartboyhw | Is ailo not polite at all? | 14:53 |
| holstein | yeah... he will ask that way... no one sill say you have to, or tell you to do anything | 14:53 |
| len-dt | There are none of us who code a lot. | 14:54 |
| smartboyhw | Who's the real people who do the coding of the main thing? | 14:54 |
| len-dt | I was about to say I didn't see it in the tracker but hen noticed I was looking at 12.04.1 | 14:54 |
| holstein | smartboyhw: len is the most like what you are asking | 14:54 |
| holstein | smartboyhw: the packages get built.. ubuntustudio is ubuntu | 14:55 |
| len-dt | We for the most part are takeing packages and putting them together. | 14:55 |
| holstein | they come in, and we organize... or we dont... | 14:55 |
| smartboyhw | holstein, len-dt and scott-work: Thanks! | 14:55 |
| holstein | the iso testing is important | 14:55 |
| smartboyhw | Yep. | 14:56 |
| holstein | we dont get to have the iso's built and be official if we dont test them | 14:56 |
| smartboyhw | Will try to focus on testing. | 14:56 |
| holstein | if we miss a testing cycle or 2, it would just fade away | 14:56 |
| scott-work | smartboyhw: holstein made a very good point, most of what we use is maintained by others, there are only a few ubuntu studio specific packages that we maintain | 14:56 |
| scott-work | therefore we don't do massive amounts of coding | 14:56 |
| len-dt | mostly script at that. | 14:57 |
| smartboyhw | Noticed: There are four columns in between the time and the Username in the top bar | 14:57 |
| smartboyhw | And it's completely blank | 14:57 |
| holstein | scott-work has taken on the lowlatency kernel... we didnt have anyone to maintain a proper kernel, so he just took it on himself, and maintains it, with help | 14:57 |
| smartboyhw | Should I file a bug?:) | 14:57 |
| holstein | smartboyhw: for? 12.10? | 14:57 |
| scott-work | smartboyhw: those "columns" are the virtual desktops available to you | 14:57 |
| len-dt | Those are workspaces... | 14:57 |
| smartboyhw | I mean in the UI, 12.10 | 14:58 |
| scott-work | or workspaces (which is probabl the proper term) :P | 14:58 |
| len-dt | Open an app and then click on one of the empty spaces. | 14:58 |
| smartboyhw | Ah! Thanks len-dt | 14:59 |
| len-dt | workspaces allow workflows (like audio work) to have more desktop space. | 14:59 |
| scott-work | funny story about workspaces: i had dual monitor set up and each workspace in the panel became HUGE | 14:59 |
| len-dt | For example I have qjackctl and the hardware mixer on one desk, sound gens in another and a tracker on the third. | 15:00 |
| scott-work | to match my "extended" desktop | 15:00 |
| scott-work | took up huge amounts of panel space | 15:00 |
| knome | scott-work, but of course :) | 15:00 |
| scott-work | knome: you laugh, but i thought something was wrong at first | 15:00 |
| len-dt | scott-work, set them up as one above the other... | 15:00 |
| knome | i don't laugh... ;) | 15:00 |
| len-dt | then they would get skinnier | 15:01 |
| scott-work | i need to restart my work computer | 15:02 |
| smartboyhw | scott-work's back | 15:12 |
| len-dt | shhh, he's supposed to be working :) | 15:13 |
| smartboyhw | ...sorry, on what? | 15:13 |
| len-dt | actually to be honest, I don't know what he does for a living. | 15:14 |
| smartboyhw | !?!?!?!?! | 15:14 |
| len-dt | I happen to on holidays myself right now. | 15:14 |
| smartboyhw | I'm almost going to sleep | 15:15 |
| len-dt | So I work as daycare | 15:15 |
| len-dt | I just got up TZ -7 here | 15:15 |
| smartboyhw | TZ +8 | 15:15 |
| len-dt | Ah, was that you who posted in the email lias t then? | 15:16 |
| smartboyhw | !? | 15:17 |
| smartboyhw | ?, len-dt | 15:17 |
| scott-work | smartboyhw: i do not make a living working on ubuntu studio | 15:17 |
| knome | smartboyhw, please try to use less of the ?!'s | 15:17 |
| scott-work | i have a regular day job that pays the bills and makes my wife happy (by paying the bills) and hopefully puts my kids through college | 15:17 |
| len-dt | smartboyhw, There was someone posted a how can I help on the mailing list. | 15:18 |
| scott-work | hence, i am scott @ work or scott-work | 15:18 |
| smartboyhw | Oh! | 15:18 |
| smartboyhw | len-dt: That's me | 15:18 |
| len-dt | Ok, good now I have connected the two in my mind. | 15:19 |
| smartboyhw | Where's astraljava? | 15:20 |
| len-dt | tz +2 or so. | 15:21 |
| smartboyhw | But he isn't away...That's weird | 15:21 |
| knome | +3 currently. | 15:21 |
| smartboyhw | +8 | 15:22 |
| knome | he probably has other things to do then | 15:22 |
| len-dt | smartboyhw, many of us leave IRC on so we can see what was going on when we are not watching the screen. | 15:22 |
| smartboyhw | ... | 15:22 |
| len-dt | Some are more quick about using away than others. I am mid | 15:22 |
| knome | others are automated, like me ;) | 15:23 |
| knome | if i don't set away manually, it will be set after 30mins inactivity | 15:23 |
| knome | same goes for unawaying; if i send enough messages to a network, i'm autounawayed | 15:23 |
| knome | that | 15:23 |
| len-dt | doesn't seem to be enough yet... you are still "away" | 15:24 |
| knome | that's why i am away now, but probably not a while later | 15:24 |
| knome | yeah, the limit is 25 messages | 15:24 |
| knome | (in 30mins) | 15:24 |
| len-dt | Does xchat do that? | 15:24 |
| knome | or 15... | 15:24 |
| knome | i don't know, this is a self-written irssi script | 15:25 |
| knome | (now i am not away, automatically :)) | 15:25 |
| smartboyhw | knome: You have a good bot/IRC client | 15:26 |
| knome | one more thing i could implement is a setting to either count or not count private messages | 15:26 |
| smartboyhw | Wow, #ubuntustudio is real quiet. | 15:26 |
| len-dt | Yes, I have seen 24hour log files empty. | 15:26 |
| knome | smartboyhw, yeah, well, it's about 10 years of usage and writing scripts myself to do what i want it to do | 15:27 |
| smartboyhw | Do the Ubuntu Studio team have meetings?:) | 15:27 |
| holstein | smartboyhw: anyone can call a meeting | 15:28 |
| len-dt | sigh... | 15:28 |
| holstein | we are overdue, and i think it would be great if you wanted to call one! | 15:28 |
| len-dt | There has not been a meeting for a long time. | 15:28 |
| smartboyhw | No, I don't, I have Ubuntu QA Meetings to due with | 15:28 |
| knome | same goes for xubuntu too. | 15:28 |
| smartboyhw | At least not on Wednesdays. | 15:28 |
| smartboyhw | What other flavors of Ubuntu do you guys us? | 15:30 |
| holstein | we are on more of a call them as needed plan | 15:30 |
| smartboyhw | Who wants to call a meeting?:) | 15:30 |
| holstein | smartboyhw: i use ubuntustudio 10.04 on my production machine | 15:30 |
| holstein | i test other versions as-needed of course | 15:30 |
| holstein | ailo and I are the unofficial firewire testers :) | 15:31 |
| holstein | smartboyhw: you can call one if you'd like | 15:31 |
| len-dt | My Yf uses vanilla, both of mine are ubuntustudio, current release. | 15:31 |
| smartboyhw | OK, let's call one! | 15:33 |
| smartboyhw | When is the best time? | 15:33 |
| len-dt | :) | 15:33 |
| len-dt | That is the problem | 15:34 |
| smartboyhw | Hmm.... It must be on #ubuntu-meeting | 15:34 |
| len-dt | We have been doing adhoc meeting on the fly as needed. | 15:34 |
| smartboyhw | Monday 14:00UTC? | 15:35 |
| len-dt | What are we going to talk about? | 15:35 |
| smartboyhw | Hmm... Updates on 12.10 progress???? | 15:36 |
| len-dt | I would wait till ailo shows up again at least. He has been very active. | 15:37 |
| len-dt | The webpage is mostly his work | 15:37 |
| holstein | im using debian stable mostly these days | 15:37 |
| smartboyhw | Added to Fridge Calendar: Ubuntu Studio Meeting 13/8/2012 1400UTC #ubuntu-meeting | 15:40 |
| smartboyhw | Send your items to add in the agenda to the dev mailist | 15:41 |
| holstein | smartboyhw: thanks! | 15:42 |
| len-dt | I will be around anyway. | 15:44 |
| smartboyhw | I need to sleep. Bye! | 15:49 |
| len-dt | good night. | 15:49 |
| scott-work | len-dt: just for the record, i am a supervisor for an engineering department with quasi-manger responsibilities | 18:39 |
| len-dt | I think I knew some of that, I didn't think it was my place to pass it on though. | 18:40 |
| scott-work | oh :) thanks | 18:41 |
| len-dt | scott-work, thinking about the letter icons... I don't know if that is really intuitive. Picture icons can be mixed too. | 19:27 |
| len-dt | Really short workflows can be letters like VJ perhaps. | 19:27 |
| len-dt | If I didn't think it may confuse people I would turn off desktop icons. | 19:29 |
| len-dt | Oh, I did already. | 19:29 |
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