[01:41]  * ckontros waves
[01:45]  * ckontros will be back to hang out at a better time. :-)
[01:46] <ScottL_> aw, cory is gone
[01:46] <ScottL_> i'm curious to what he thinks about 12.04
[03:15] <len-dt> ScottL_, ok i386 tests done for today.
[03:20] <len-dt> ScottL_, Just looking at the video meta in seeds. Are you sure we should split this one? There don't seem to be that many differences to make it worth while.
[03:22] <ScottL_> len-dt: i don't remember the video seeds currently, are we splitting it into pro and home? is it just noted that it _should_ be split?
[03:22] <len-dt> ScottL_, Ya, there are two groups of apps marked home and pro.
[03:23] <len-dt> The note says:
[03:23] <ScottL_> it should actually be split into two meta though, i beleive
[03:23] <len-dt> # packages for future (precise+1) video-pro task/seed
[03:23] <len-dt> # (duplicates from above commented out)
[03:23] <len-dt> There are only two extra apps in home.
[03:24] <len-dt> Does this mean splitting the menu as well?
[03:25] <len-dt> Or to ask another way... are we splitting out things like audacity as home audio and ardour as pro?
[03:25] <len-dt> ScottL_, ^^
[03:30] <len-dt> ScottL_, My opinion is that there is not enough difference to make a split worth while.
[03:31] <len-dt> That dvdstyler (or something like it) is just as likely to be used professionally as at home. (think wedding videos)
[03:32] <len-dt> That leaves openshot as the only difference.
[03:33] <ScottL_> len-dt: if you install the video meta you get all the apps
[03:33] <ScottL_> home and pro
[03:33] <len-dt> also micahg says that a new binary would have to be reviewed which is why we did photography and publishing at the same time
[03:33] <len-dt> Yes right now, but not if we split it.
[03:33] <ScottL_> len-dt: but you did that for quantal, correct?
[03:34] <micahg> sorry I haven't gotten to that yet, I need to get some help with it
[03:34] <len-dt> Yes. I am talking about quantel
[03:34] <ScottL_> oh, i thought you were asking about 12.04.1 :P
[03:34] <ScottL_> my bad
[03:34] <ScottL_> for quantal, i think we probably should be splitting it up, but i'm not sure quite yet
[03:35] <len-dt> ScottL_, the only thing I can see to possibly do for precise was the menu fixes, but I think it is too late now.
[03:35] <ScottL_> or maybe for quantal+1 we should split it up and leave quantal as is
[03:35] <ScottL_> len-dt: yeah, precise.1 is good at this point
[03:35] <len-dt> ScottL_, we are not overflowing with people
[03:35] <ScottL_> aye, that is true
[03:38] <len-dt> ScottL_, are you still thinking of trying kdenlive?
[03:41] <ScottL_> i am, it is a really robust non-linear editor
[03:41] <ScottL_> much better than ralph gives it credit
[03:41] <ScottL_> openshot is pretty good too, but it _does_ lack some key things that kdenlive does
[03:41] <ScottL_> but kdenlive just has sooo many extra libraries
[03:42] <len-dt> ScottL_,  it would mean a lot of libs I think.
[03:42] <ScottL_> blender does a pret+
[03:42] <len-dt> I have added it to extra software in video though.
[03:43] <ScottL_> blender does a really good job of certain things that neither kdenlive or openshot can do
[03:43] <ScottL_> but blender also sucks at UI and making things easier for people to use (like HD video)
[03:43] <ScottL_> the lesser of three evils is still openshot sadly
[03:44] <ScottL_> but kdenlive really rocks, if it wasn't for the extra libraries it would be preferred hands down, i beleive
[03:44] <len-dt> ScottL_, I don't know that we will get workflow selection back this cycle. maybe wait for that to happen
[03:44] <ScottL_> i'm using kdenlive currently for the youtube minecraft series i am doing with my son
[03:45] <ScottL_> len-dt: i think that is okay, emmit said some stuff was happening anyway that might change it
[03:46] <len-dt> It may be a good idea to go through the blue print as mark some things postponed ...
[03:46] <ScottL_> and astral.java, who started it last cycle, hasn't been active lately (i _think_) so it would probably be kinda iffy-squeezy to get it done anyway
[03:46] <ScottL_> len-dt: good point
[03:46] <len-dt> ScottL_, I find myself looking at a lot of things and wondering if I should even start.
[03:47] <len-dt> I have been "cherry picking"
[03:47] <len-dt> Doing what I find easy
[03:47] <ScottL_> hehe, yeah i understand
[03:47] <ScottL_> i'm going to be getting more involved again...either next week or the following
[03:48] <ScottL_> i've started getting other things lined out and progressing so my time should be freeing up again
[03:48] <len-dt> A lot of the thing I am marked for inprogress are commited just not uploaded.
[03:52] <ScottL_> that is very good as well :)
[03:53] <ScottL_> len-dt: one thing we might think about...is how can we improve ubuntu studio upstream
[03:54] <ScottL_> meaning, can we articulate ask any upstream people to make change(s) that will help ubuntu studio
[03:54] <ScottL_> ?
[03:55] <ScottL_> for example, blender absolutely provides better multicam support by simply (not that this is the only thing) allow to monitors to be shown on the screen which will each display a different video clip
[03:55] <ScottL_> s/allow to monitors/allowing two monitors
[03:56] <ScottL_> if they could just unfek themselves with making it easier to import or use video clips, that alone would go great lengths to making it more palatable for everyday people
[03:56] <len-dt> ScottL_, It would take someone using the SW for their own projects.
[03:57] <ScottL_> i'm going to start making a matrix of what openshot, kdenlive, and blender can and can't do, what they do well and don't do well
[03:57] <len-dt> I personally would not be able to explain what was needed.
[03:57] <ScottL_> len-dt: that's one facet of what i'm doing currently
[03:57] <len-dt> It was suggested that the place to fix xchat was upstream. (but still in ubuntu)
[03:58] <len-dt> Putting a hook in so that each flavour could add their channel.
[03:58] <len-dt> Ubuntu does so in the source right now.
[03:59] <len-dt> A hook could add things from a system config.
[03:59] <len-dt> The feeling is that it would be easier to maintain than a file in /etc/skel where I had it.
[04:16] <ScottL_> goings to bed
[04:16] <len-dt> GN
[09:33] <astraljava> Just a heads-up, new alsa-lib and alsa-utils are landing on quantal soon.
[12:18] <astraljava> scott-work: Did you just make the CD image build emails through?
[12:18] <astraljava> s/make/"whatever is the appropriate verb here"/
[12:18] <kubotu> astraljava meant: "scott-work: Did you just "whatever is the appropriate verb here" the CD image build emails through?"
[12:19] <astraljava> shuttup kubotu 
[12:41] <scott-work> lol kubotu 
[12:41] <scott-work> astraljava: yes, i just clean out the queue for the mailing list and approved all those CD image build notices
[12:41] <scott-work> were they for quantal or precise?
[12:42] <scott-work> oh, a mixture
[12:42] <scott-work> i expected the precise ones as len had reported only some 12.04.1 images were available
[12:43] <len-dt> scott-work, I was told the whole i386 building was broken.
[12:43] <scott-work> len-dt: for quantal or precise?
[12:43] <len-dt> everything for a few days.
[12:46] <astraljava> scott-work: I just wondered why they were stopped this time.
[12:47] <astraljava> As they were not very long, in fact only a few lines, according to my mutt.
[13:24] <scott-work> len-dt: i would like to bounce some ideas off of you for work flow support when you have a few minutes
[13:25] <len-dt> scott-work, ok.
[13:25] <scott-work> oh, hehe, didn't think you would be ready that quick, let me handle one thing and i'll be back in 15 secs
[13:27] <scott-work> len-dt: okay, here's what i'm thinking (and i almost wish i had worked something up visually first)
[13:29] <scott-work> one of my concerns is making it as accessible or intuitive or immediate as possible
[13:29] <scott-work> so i'm thinking about the panel as a dock thing
[13:29] <len-dt> Ok, so you are talking workflow from a GUI POV
[13:29] <scott-work> and rather than have a single menu entry on that, for which you would be present with Audio, Video, etc on the first level
[13:30] <scott-work> perhaps breaking these out into each category so we would have a "audio menu" icon, a "video menu" icon, etc
[13:30] <scott-work> and that's great for some "less branchy", more "linear" work flows, maybe for video or graphics or whatnot
[13:30] <len-dt> scott-work, that would not be hard.
[13:30] <scott-work> but what about audio when you have perhaps four or more (making up numbers) work flows
[13:31] <len-dt> I think with audio we could break that up too and have more than one icon.
[13:31] <scott-work> i wonder if we could have perhaps separate menu icons for "audio menu #1 - record real instruments" and "audio menu #2 - electronic music generation"
[13:32] <len-dt> Those two get used together a lot.
[13:32] <scott-work> this doesn't molest the main menu (leaves it original) but makes it very accessible and based on work flows
[13:32] <scott-work> len-dt: yeah, that might not have been the best example to show the difference :P
[13:32] <scott-work> and we can easily include the same apps in various "work flow menus" then
[13:33] <scott-work> we could even label the icons like the old microsoft word icon looked: http://rocketdock.com/images/screenshots/word-5.png
[13:33] <scott-work> maybe
[13:33] <len-dt> You might have composing, recording, effects rack, live sound.
[13:33] <scott-work> ooooh, that sounds good
[13:34] <scott-work> yeah, yeah
[13:34] <scott-work> again, it's immediate and intuitive
[13:35] <scott-work> to icons: we could use A in a box for audio menus, V in a box for video, etc
[13:35] <scott-work> maybe for audio we can use A with subscript C for composing, A with subscript R for recording, etc
[13:35] <len-dt> We would want to keep the icons not too small then.
[13:36] <scott-work> maybe even the subscript letter not really fully subscript, just smaller and slightly overlapping the A as if it is in front and on top
[13:36] <scott-work> but not too large either, right? :P
[13:36] <len-dt> maybe 32bit?
[13:37] <len-dt> When I was testing 12.04 before release I was using 24 bit and it was ok on my netbook.
[13:37] <len-dt> when I installed I left the size but moved it to the side.
[13:37] <scott-work> we can try it and see what it is like
[13:39] <len-dt> 36 looks ok. I thnk it depends on how much is in the panel.
[13:40] <len-dt> scott-work, I think we need to be careful we don't over load the panel
[13:40] <len-dt> if there are too many icons there it becomes cluttered
[13:40] <scott-work> len-dt: i guess i am envisioning less than ten icons, do you think we would need more
[13:41]  * scott-work admits he hasn't really quantified anything at this point, more of just brainstorming
[13:42] <len-dt> There are some other things on the panel besides work flows, trash, terminal, files etc.
[13:42] <len-dt> xchat and browser could be removed (I guess terminal too)
[13:43] <len-dt> but I think a user should not have to access trash and other files from the desktop.
[13:44] <scott-work> okay, we minimize the number of other icons to trash and file manager (nautilus in this case), perhaps with a seperator between the work flows and these?
[13:44] <len-dt> Sure.
[14:01] <smartboyhw> Hi!
[14:03] <scott-work> hi smartboyhw !
[14:03] <scott-work> i see you got my email :)
[14:03] <smartboyhw> Yep!@
[14:03] <scott-work> how do you want to help ubuntu studio?
[14:04] <smartboyhw> Dev, bug, (especially) testing
[14:05] <scott-work> oooh, testing :)
[14:05] <scott-work> we always needs people helping with testing
[14:06] <scott-work> smartboyhw: do you do any coding?
[14:07] <smartboyhw> Some, but only fixing bugs. Don't tell me to do big ones, I am bulls..t
[14:08] <smartboyhw> scott-work: There is a new bug team, am I right?
[14:09] <scott-work> smartboyhw: i believe so, i think ailo (and maybe len-dt ) helped set that up
[14:10] <smartboyhw> Joined that one, doesn't know what it'll do.
[14:11] <smartboyhw> scott-work: Who are the guys working for Ubuntu Studio?
[14:12] <scott-work> smartboyhw: mostly i would say: ailo, astraljava, len-dt, micahg and me
[14:12] <scott-work> although i believe ailo and len are doing the most work lately
[14:12] <smartboyhw> Good, I know astraljava.
[14:13] <scott-work> micah really has other responsibilities but helps us out with specific items and uploading to the repositories quite a bit
[14:13] <smartboyhw> Do you have a list?
[14:13] <smartboyhw> Or can I join? (Stupid question)
[14:13] <scott-work> i'm just getting back involved after a few months hiatus
[14:13] <scott-work> smartboyhw: we have a mailing list, did you mean that?
[14:13] <smartboyhw> I remember you guys having who's doing what on the Wiki
[14:14] <scott-work> specifically, there are two mailing lists: one for -users and -dev, i believe both are open to join
[14:14] <smartboyhw> I am in both
[14:14] <smartboyhw> I want to be responsible for QA
[14:14] <smartboyhw> Testing = QA
[14:15] <scott-work> we have this wiki page with members: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/TeamStructure
[14:15] <smartboyhw> Yes, this one!
[14:15] <scott-work> we would love to have someone help with overseeing QA and testing :)
[14:16] <smartboyhw> Yep, I will do that.
[14:16] <scott-work> but since ailo and len-dt really seem to be heading that up, i should defer to them
[14:16] <smartboyhw> Hmm, what's the core team?
[14:17] <scott-work> however, i should point out that we typically prefer people to establish themselves as active and effective before really accepting into any particular team
[14:17] <smartboyhw> Yep, alright.
[14:17] <scott-work> the core team are the ones who might be those with the most longevity or experience
[14:18] <smartboyhw> Well.
[14:18] <scott-work> i suppose that is one way to look at the core team
[14:18] <scott-work> smartboyhw: here is what i would suggest, sort of a plan, to get involved with testing
[14:18] <len-dt> Or just those who do something...
[14:18] <smartboyhw> Oh, len-dt's here.
[14:18] <scott-work> work with len-dt and ailo and get directly involved with testing
[14:18] <smartboyhw> Downloading the Daily Build to test.
[14:19] <len-dt> smartboyhw, what HW are you testing on?
[14:19] <scott-work> we do the daily testing as needed, but we have monthly milestone testing as well (alpha1, alpha2, alpha3, beta1, beta2, rc)
[14:19] <len-dt> 32 or 64 bit?
[14:19] <smartboyhw> 64-bit.
[14:19] <len-dt> smartboyhw, good.
[14:19] <smartboyhw> Hopefully daily testing, but I still got Ubuntu Desktop to care.
[14:19] <len-dt> I normally do a lot of 32 bit testing.
[14:20] <scott-work> dailies are required, but we like to do them as needed for specific items
[14:20] <scott-work> oops, should have read "dailies are NOT required"
[14:20] <smartboyhw> 64-bit is better for me
[14:20] <smartboyhw> ...
[14:20] <len-dt> We need testing on both
[14:20] <scott-work> the milestone testing is required by the ubuntu-qa team
[14:20] <smartboyhw> I'm in ubuntu-qa, sort of.
[14:21] <scott-work> we risk not being able to release for final if we start missing milestone testing
[14:21] <smartboyhw> Don't worry, I will always test for milestones.
[14:21] <scott-work> i need to get some work done at work, i'll be back on later
[14:21] <smartboyhw> OK, bye, scott-work!
[14:22] <smartboyhw> len-dt: Is is that we need to test for 12.04.1?
[14:22] <len-dt> Ya, I did 32 bit yesterday. 64 is not done.
[14:23] <smartboyhw> I will do the 64 ones.
[14:25] <smartboyhw_> I am BACK!
[14:27] <smartboyhw_> len_dt: You here?
[14:27] <len-dt> smartboyhw_, yes
[14:27] <smartboyhw_> Testing 12.10 64-bit daily now
[14:32] <smartboyhw> len-dt: Why is the Quantal Daily Build's ubiquity all in black
[14:33] <smartboyhw> you guys better redesign the UI.
[14:33] <holstein> lol
[14:33] <holstein> im sure its a glitch... our UI guy is MIA
[14:33] <smartboyhw> OK, thanks
[14:33] <holstein> but, it'll get sorted
[14:33] <len-dt> We pretty much use whatever xubuntu uses.
[14:33] <smartboyhw> MIA let's me think of CIA
[14:34] <smartboyhw> L)
[14:35] <smartboyhw> Anyone except scott-work know what is the new Bugs Team on Launchpad?
[14:37] <smartboyhw> Hey, answer me, please. (This is bad etiquette of IRC)
[14:37] <len-dt> He's not here for a few days.
[14:37] <smartboyhw> OK.
[14:38] <holstein> ?
[14:38] <len-dt> ailo was doing that, he set it up.
[14:38] <holstein> smartboyhw: check out a few things if you dont mind
[14:38] <holstein> !patients | smartboyhw 
[14:38] <len-dt> He is out of network reach for a few days.
[14:38] <holstein> !ask
[14:38] <holstein> !patience | smartboyhw 
[14:39] <holstein> if you are joking, put a smiley there
[14:39] <smartboyhw> Wow, don't put so many warnings to me
[14:39] <holstein> smartboyhw: its not a warning, its a request
[14:40] <smartboyhw> Ok.
[14:40] <holstein> smartboyhw: i for one very much appreciate your help testing iso's and we need the help
[14:40] <holstein> smartboyhw: len-dt is a very busy guy, as is scott-work
[14:40] <smartboyhw> Still testing, installing Daily Build Quantal amd64 Ubuntu Studio
[14:41] <holstein> as far as dealing with bugs, you can do that if you'd like... anyone with an LP account can "help"
[14:41] <smartboyhw> ...Yeah, just a bit ?ed of it's existence
[14:41] <holstein> we dont have anyone besides scott-work and len-dt doing much with bugs.. other than offical higher-ups that we bother
[14:43] <smartboyhw> holstein: Why is there only you on the Support team in:https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/TeamStructure
[14:44] <smartboyhw> !patience | smartboyhw
[14:45] <holstein> smartboyhw: we dont really have a team, we are quite small right now
[14:45] <smartboyhw> ...
[14:45] <holstein> smartboyhw: which is a good time for someone such as yourself
[14:46] <holstein> you can add yourself to the team,a nd start helping
[14:46] <smartboyhw> Ok, I will add myself to the support team.
[14:46] <holstein> smartboyhw: helping test the iso's is very nice!
[14:46] <len-dt> smartboyhw, I am actually ver new here too.
[14:46] <holstein> smartboyhw: i am the one that tries to hang in the IRC channel and make contact with everyone i can
[14:46] <smartboyhw> Wow, everyone's new!
[14:46] <smartboyhw> idding
[14:46] <holstein> smartboyhw: len-dt is are heavy lifter... scott-work is the organizer and team lead, and he does a little bit of everything else
[14:47] <holstein> knome did most of our site, and is helping us tremendously from team xubuntu
[14:48] <holstein> astraljava too helps US tremendously
[14:48] <smartboyhw> OK, I have put myself in the support team to start with.
[14:48] <smartboyhw> Go to :https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/TeamStructure to check
[14:48] <holstein> smartboyhw: that is easy... you can hang in the IRC channel #ubuntustudio , and just "be there" really
[14:49] <smartboyhw> Yep.
[14:49] <smartboyhw> If ailo approves, I will enter myself in the Testing Team
[14:49] <holstein> just say something when you can, and try and help... make is see like we are not dead, which we are not
[14:49] <holstein> smartboyhw: ailo will.. i think he has been out for a bit
[14:49] <smartboyhw> Don't worry, I will be good.
[14:50] <holstein> smartboyhw: you might want to review the code of conduct
[14:50] <smartboyhw> I have signed it
[14:50] <holstein> cool!... welcome aboard!
[14:51] <len-dt> you can add yourself to the testing team, but be aware that the testing ailo has in mind is not just ISO tests.
[14:51] <smartboyhw> Don't worry, I can do OTHER tests.
[14:51] <len-dt> We actually want to test various system "tweaks" for audio/MIDI/video improvements
[14:52] <smartboyhw> Added myself to testing team. Also I can test tweaks, but don't tell me to code a lot
[14:52] <smartboyhw> OK, finished testing, passed in ISO tracker.
[14:52] <holstein> no one will tell you to do anything...
[14:53] <smartboyhw> Yep.
[14:53] <holstein> we'll have tests, and ailo will ask.. politely
[14:53] <smartboyhw> Is ailo not polite at all?
[14:53] <holstein> yeah... he will ask that way... no one sill say you have to, or tell you to do anything
[14:54] <len-dt> There are none of us who code a lot.
[14:54] <smartboyhw> Who's the real people who do the coding of the main thing?
[14:54] <len-dt> I was about to say I didn't see it in the tracker but hen noticed I was looking at 12.04.1
[14:54] <holstein> smartboyhw: len is the most like what you are asking
[14:55] <holstein> smartboyhw: the packages get built.. ubuntustudio is ubuntu
[14:55] <len-dt> We for the most part are takeing packages and putting them together.
[14:55] <holstein> they come in, and we organize... or we dont...
[14:55] <smartboyhw> holstein, len-dt and scott-work: Thanks!
[14:55] <holstein> the iso testing is important
[14:56] <smartboyhw> Yep.
[14:56] <holstein> we dont get to have the iso's built and be official if we dont test them
[14:56] <smartboyhw> Will try to focus on testing. 
[14:56] <holstein> if we miss a testing cycle or 2, it would just fade away
[14:56] <scott-work> smartboyhw: holstein made a very good point, most of what we use is maintained by others, there are only a few ubuntu studio specific packages that we maintain
[14:56] <scott-work> therefore we don't do massive amounts of coding
[14:57] <len-dt> mostly script at that.
[14:57] <smartboyhw> Noticed: There are four columns in between the time and the Username in the top bar
[14:57] <smartboyhw> And it's completely blank
[14:57] <holstein> scott-work has taken on the lowlatency kernel... we didnt have anyone to maintain a proper kernel, so he just took it on himself, and maintains it, with help
[14:57] <smartboyhw> Should I file a bug?:)
[14:57] <holstein> smartboyhw: for? 12.10?
[14:57] <scott-work> smartboyhw: those "columns" are the virtual desktops available to you
[14:57] <len-dt> Those are workspaces...
[14:58] <smartboyhw> I mean in the UI, 12.10
[14:58] <scott-work> or workspaces (which is probabl the proper term) :P
[14:58] <len-dt> Open an app  and then click on one of the empty spaces.
[14:59] <smartboyhw> Ah! Thanks len-dt
[14:59] <len-dt> workspaces allow workflows (like audio work) to have more desktop space.
[14:59] <scott-work> funny story about workspaces: i had dual monitor set up and each workspace in the panel became HUGE
[15:00] <len-dt> For example I have qjackctl and the hardware mixer on one desk, sound gens in another and a tracker on the third.
[15:00] <scott-work> to match my "extended" desktop
[15:00] <scott-work> took up huge amounts of panel space
[15:00] <knome> scott-work, but of course :)
[15:00] <scott-work> knome: you laugh, but i thought something was wrong at first
[15:00] <len-dt> scott-work, set them up as one above the other...
[15:00] <knome> i don't laugh... ;)
[15:01] <len-dt> then they would get skinnier
[15:02] <scott-work> i need to restart my work computer
[15:12] <smartboyhw> scott-work's back
[15:13] <len-dt> shhh, he's supposed to be working :)
[15:13] <smartboyhw> ...sorry, on what?
[15:14] <len-dt> actually to be honest, I don't know what he does for a living.
[15:14] <smartboyhw> !?!?!?!?!
[15:14] <len-dt> I happen to on holidays myself right now.
[15:15] <smartboyhw> I'm almost going to sleep
[15:15] <len-dt> So I work as daycare 
[15:15] <len-dt> I just got up TZ -7 here
[15:15] <smartboyhw> TZ +8
[15:16] <len-dt> Ah, was that you who posted in the email lias t then?
[15:17] <smartboyhw> !?
[15:17] <smartboyhw> ?, len-dt
[15:17] <scott-work> smartboyhw: i do not make a living working on ubuntu studio
[15:17] <knome> smartboyhw, please try to use less of the ?!'s
[15:17] <scott-work> i have a regular day job that pays the bills and makes my wife happy (by paying the bills) and hopefully puts my kids through college
[15:18] <len-dt> smartboyhw, There was someone posted a how can I help on the mailing list.
[15:18] <scott-work> hence, i am scott @ work or scott-work
[15:18] <smartboyhw> Oh!
[15:18] <smartboyhw> len-dt: That's me
[15:19] <len-dt> Ok, good now I have connected the two in my mind.
[15:20] <smartboyhw> Where's astraljava?
[15:21] <len-dt> tz +2 or so.
[15:21] <smartboyhw> But he isn't away...That's weird
[15:21] <knome> +3 currently.
[15:22] <smartboyhw> +8
[15:22] <knome> he probably has other things to do then
[15:22] <len-dt> smartboyhw, many of us leave IRC on so we can see what was going on when we are not watching the screen.
[15:22] <smartboyhw> ...
[15:22] <len-dt> Some are more quick about using away than others. I am mid
[15:23] <knome> others are automated, like me ;)
[15:23] <knome> if i don't set away manually, it will be set after 30mins inactivity
[15:23] <knome> same goes for unawaying; if i send enough messages to a network, i'm autounawayed
[15:23] <knome> that
[15:24] <len-dt> doesn't seem to be enough yet... you are still "away"
[15:24] <knome> that's why i am away now, but probably not a while later
[15:24] <knome> yeah, the limit is 25 messages
[15:24] <knome> (in 30mins)
[15:24] <len-dt> Does xchat do that?
[15:24] <knome> or 15...
[15:25] <knome> i don't know, this is a self-written irssi script
[15:25] <knome> (now i am not away, automatically :))
[15:26] <smartboyhw> knome: You have a good bot/IRC client
[15:26] <knome> one more thing i could implement is a setting to either count or not count private messages
[15:26] <smartboyhw> Wow, #ubuntustudio is real quiet.
[15:26] <len-dt> Yes, I have seen 24hour log files empty.
[15:27] <knome> smartboyhw, yeah, well, it's about 10 years of usage and writing scripts myself to do what i want it to do
[15:27] <smartboyhw> Do the Ubuntu Studio team have meetings?:)
[15:28] <holstein> smartboyhw: anyone can call a meeting
[15:28] <len-dt> sigh...
[15:28] <holstein> we are overdue, and i think it would be great if you wanted to call one!
[15:28] <len-dt> There has not been a meeting for a long time.
[15:28] <smartboyhw> No, I don't, I have Ubuntu QA Meetings to due with
[15:28] <knome> same goes for xubuntu too.
[15:28] <smartboyhw> At least not on Wednesdays.
[15:30] <smartboyhw> What other flavors of Ubuntu do you guys us?
[15:30] <holstein> we are on more of a call them as needed plan
[15:30] <smartboyhw> Who wants to call a meeting?:)
[15:30] <holstein> smartboyhw: i use ubuntustudio 10.04 on my production machine
[15:30] <holstein> i test other versions as-needed of course
[15:31] <holstein> ailo and I are the unofficial firewire testers :)
[15:31] <holstein> smartboyhw: you can call one if you'd like
[15:31] <len-dt> My Yf uses vanilla, both of mine are ubuntustudio, current release.
[15:33] <smartboyhw> OK, let's call one!
[15:33] <smartboyhw> When is the best time?
[15:33] <len-dt> :)
[15:34] <len-dt> That is the problem
[15:34] <smartboyhw> Hmm.... It must be on #ubuntu-meeting
[15:34] <len-dt> We have been doing adhoc meeting on the fly as needed.
[15:35] <smartboyhw> Monday 14:00UTC?
[15:35] <len-dt> What are we going to talk about?
[15:36] <smartboyhw> Hmm... Updates on 12.10 progress????
[15:37] <len-dt> I would wait till ailo shows up again at least. He has been very active.
[15:37] <len-dt> The webpage is mostly his work
[15:37] <holstein> im using debian stable mostly these days
[15:40] <smartboyhw> Added to Fridge Calendar: Ubuntu Studio Meeting 13/8/2012 1400UTC #ubuntu-meeting
[15:41] <smartboyhw> Send your items to add in the agenda to the dev mailist
[15:42] <holstein> smartboyhw: thanks!
[15:44] <len-dt> I will be around anyway.
[15:49] <smartboyhw> I need to sleep. Bye!
[15:49] <len-dt> good night.
[18:39] <scott-work> len-dt: just for the record, i am a supervisor for an engineering department with quasi-manger responsibilities
[18:40] <len-dt> I think I knew some of that, I didn't think it was my place to pass it on though.
[18:41] <scott-work> oh :)  thanks
[19:27] <len-dt> scott-work, thinking about the letter icons... I don't know if that is really intuitive.  Picture icons can be mixed too.
[19:27] <len-dt> Really short workflows can be letters like VJ perhaps.
[19:29] <len-dt> If I didn't think it may confuse people I would turn off desktop icons.
[19:29] <len-dt> Oh, I did already.