[00:48] <Chaser> Hi, the whole screen seems to flicker when ever a notification pops from the tray. Is this known issue ?
[01:19] <amason> Chaser: doesn't occur on any of my machines, guessing it's a video driver interaction thing..have a look on bugzilla and if you can't see anything similar feel free to create a new report
[04:22] <uberdub> damn, its always somethin with this os isnt it?
[04:28] <uberdub> anyone know why flash player crashes all the time in 12.04?
[04:37] <uberdub> im going back to 10.04 or buying a mac
[04:38] <uberdub> this is ridiculous
[04:58] <amason> ubottu: you probably need to ask adobe that ..
[04:58] <amason> oops that was meant for uberdub
[04:58] <amason> ubottu: i do you think your intelligent...you need to learn to value your self more
[04:59] <amason> i guess your right, otherwise you'd have been programmed with more phrases
[04:59]  * amason is bored
[05:01] <Graf_Westerholt> LOL
[06:36] <rubenh73> buenas noches alguien que hable y escriba español
[06:58] <lordievader> Good morning
[07:00] <DFrostedWang> lordievader: Good morning
[07:01] <lordievader> Hey DFrostedWang, how are you?
[07:03] <DFrostedWang> Okay
[07:04] <DFrostedWang> Got my computer all set up w/ LVM, got my Winblows PC working enough to mod my Skyrim savegame...
[07:07] <lordievader> That is a first that Windows keeps working XD
[07:11] <DFrostedWang> That computer also has SliTaz linux on it, Winblows is just for modding and those things microxp can't do
[10:22] <dsan> hey, anyone know why my systray clock displays UTC? i actually wana see CET.. (got Kubuntu 12.04)
[10:25] <Peace-> dsan: change it
[10:25] <Peace-> dsan: you maybe set it to display utc
[10:25] <Peace-> in the installation i mean
[10:26] <dsan> Peace: how?
[10:26] <dsan> when i go to settings it shows the CET
[10:30] <dsan> solved it. thx anyway
[11:32] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[11:37] <markit> hi, if I've standard backport repositories, but not ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports, will kde 4.9 come to 12.04 sooner or later or it will stay on 4.8.x?
[11:39] <BluesKaj> markit, it will stay on 4.8 afaik until your version upgrades to a new kernel
[11:44] <BluesKaj> markit, adding the backport won't hurt your system , actually it will help upgrade it ..4.9 runs very smoothly here
[11:57] <phil__> hello from China
[12:03] <Peace-> phil__: hi
[12:03] <phil__> hi
[12:11] <markit> BluesKaj: I've a LTSP installation for school... I'm tempted by 4.9, but wondering if works fine and, if in the future will come 4.10, it will work fine too
[12:12] <markit> I've customized kde a little, so I have to re-test (i.e. disable akonadi since eats too resources and no students use it)
[12:15] <BluesKaj> markit, your akonadi settings will be retained in 4.0 , I also have it disabled and it remained so after upgrading to kde 4.9
[12:15] <BluesKaj> 4.0=4.9
[12:16] <markit> BluesKaj: good, because with kubuntu 11.10 I had a lot of messages complaining about this disable (worked fine in 11.04)
[12:22] <BluesKaj> markit, you can make the akonadi disable setting, more permanent by unchecking it in systemsettings>stsrtup&shutdown>service manager , then adding to the textbox in session management , "applications to be excluded from sessions" , then checking the "restore previous sessions" box.
[12:28] <BluesKaj> markit, like so , http://imagebin.org/224046
[12:30] <BluesKaj> markit, or here , (smaller image)  http://wstaw.org/m/2012/08/10/snapshot2.png
[12:31] <markit> BluesKaj: mmm I went to the specific option in the configuation panel and disabled from there
[12:32] <markit> desktop search and disabled nepomuk (urgh, I said akonadi!)
[12:32] <BluesKaj> well , that's your choice , but i did both to make sure , markit
[12:32] <markit> BluesKaj: thanks for the tip, I will experiment a little
[12:33] <BluesKaj> nepomuk and akonadi are linked I'm afraid
[12:33] <markit> yes, I think so. Btw I changed akonadi backend from mysql to sqlite
[12:33] <markit> with mysql each student account had 120MB of wasted space in their home
[12:33] <markit> (multiply for 300+ students...)
[12:34] <BluesKaj> well, i don't bother with sql settings since I don't use the server anyway
[12:34] <markit> BluesKaj: but the file is created anyway
[12:36] <markit> I would love to disable activities globally anyway... students don't use them and they mess them up instead
[12:36] <markit> also I miss A LOT the firefox-kde package
[12:36] <markit> without it firefox is a mess to use for illeterate IT students
[12:37] <markit> (average people, anyway)
[12:39] <BluesKaj> markit, where is the mysql file located ?
[12:40] <markit> I install akonadi-backend-sqlite first
[12:40] <markit> then I remove .local/share/akonadi
[12:40] <markit> and edit .config/akonadi/akonadiserverrc
[12:40] <aguitel> are kde 4.9 stable to upgrade kubuntu from ppa backport ?
[12:40] <markit> (I edit a global file instead, but should be ok that file for your account)
[12:41] <markit> in [General] I put Driver=QSQLITE3
[12:42] <markit> BluesKaj: try du -csh .local/share/akonadi
[12:43] <markit> maybe 4.9 has sqlite3 again by default, I remember something about it but I could be wrong, and I dubt it will change already present settings
[12:43] <markit> (should create a new account and try)
[12:44] <markit> aguitel: BluesKaj says he is using it and works, I'm trying right now in a LTSP installation, I've done in a laptop and works fine so far
[12:44] <BluesKaj> markit, no such file  ".local/share/akonadi" , i couldn't find it in ~/ either
[12:44] <markit> but I assume no responsabilities ;P
[12:45] <markit> BluesKaj: is a directory... drwxr-xr-x 2 marco marco 4096 ago 10 10:44 .local/share/akonadi
[12:45] <BluesKaj> aguitel, yes 4.9 is fine for home use
[12:46] <markit> (and of course under your home)
[12:46] <BluesKaj> markit, it's not under my home dir
[12:46] <aguitel> markit, BluesKaj thanks
[12:46] <BluesKaj> i don't have the database enabled in akonadi
[12:47] <markit> BluesKaj: how can you disable? and as far as I know is created when you log the first time with an user, so your main user should have since installation
[12:47] <markit> but if is not there, there is no problem :)
[12:49] <BluesKaj> markit, just make sure mysql internalcserver isn't checked in akonadi server configuration
[12:50] <BluesKaj> mysql internal server , rather
[12:53] <markit> BluesKaj: I'm surprised everyithing works fine for you without akonadi... I thought KDE was depending more and more on it
[12:53] <markit> goin to a "Vista experience" where everything trashes "just to help the user anticipating their needs"
[12:54] <Panik> Can someone point me in the right direction on how to troubleshoot why Banshee continues to lock up shortly after it is started.
[12:55] <BluesKaj> markit, yes , if you use the PIM , then akonadi has some requirements , but i don't use kmail or kontact and one can remove them safely without taking the kubuntu desktop with it
[13:26] <t2zhu> Hi. Can someone help me? When I try to install the package "kdeartwork-theme-window" it fails saying that it depends on a nonexistent package "libkdecorations4abi1".
[13:27] <t2zhu> I'm using KDE 4.8.5
[13:29] <BluesKaj> nonexistent or available from another source , t2zhu ?
[13:31] <t2zhu> The package *does* exist, but only in the Beta and Backports versions of the Kubuntu repository
[13:33] <BluesKaj> t2zhu, then you may be required to upgrade your kde version to use that theme
[13:35] <t2zhu> I do have a package called "libkdecorations4", though...
[13:36] <t2zhu> By the way, how do you reply on IRC?
[13:37] <BluesKaj> how do you mean ?
[13:40] <t2zhu> It seems to me that I shouldn't have to install kubuntu-backports just so I can install a package that lives on kubuntu-updates
[13:42] <BluesKaj> t2zhu, what do you mean by "how do you reply on IRC?"
[13:44] <t2zhu> Oh... as in... how do you make your reply to me highlighted?
[13:44] <BluesKaj> to reply personally , type the first few letters of the persons nick and complete it by using the tab key
[13:46] <BluesKaj> depends on the irc client , where highlight own nick with colour options is located
[13:46] <t2zhu> BluesKaj: Ah... thanks
[13:46] <BluesKaj> it's obviously enabled by default in quassel
[13:47] <t2zhu> BluesKaj: But this isn't a private message, right? Everyone can still see?
[13:49] <faglnar> Why ist it, that Kubuntu Uses the lower DVI port as primary display and windows the upper port?
[13:49] <BluesKaj> yes it's in the chat test , pm-ing is discouraged as a support method , t2zhu
[13:49] <faglnar> Its really annoying!
[13:51] <t2zhu> BluesKaj: So back to my question, do I really have to install kubuntu-backports so that I can install kdeartwork-theme-window in the kubuntu updates package?
[13:51] <BluesKaj> faglnar, can you set them in the display & monitor settings or in your graphics card GUI
[13:52] <faglnar> BluesKaj: Yes I can set them, but only per user. How can I set it that the entire system uses the big monitor by default as primary screen in its native resolution?
[13:53] <BluesKaj> t2zhu, dunno for sure , you might find the theme in www.kde-look.org
[13:53] <faglnar> Also the per user setting is not saved between reboots
[13:56] <BluesKaj> faglnar, in system settings>startup&shutdown>session management , make sure "restore previous settings " is checked ..also make sure your chosen settings in monitor and display are "set as default"
[13:56] <hateball> faglnar: are you using nvidia and the proprietary driver?
[13:57] <faglnar> ati oss driver
[13:57]  * hateball slowly backs away
[13:57] <BluesKaj> faglnar, oss is audio
[13:58] <faglnar> i mean the open source one not oss audio system
[13:58] <faglnar> lol
[13:59] <BluesKaj> faglnar, glxinfo | grep OpenG
[13:59] <BluesKaj> faglnar, glxinfo | grep OpenGL
[14:00] <BluesKaj> what's the version string , faglnar
[14:00] <faglnar> OpenGL renderer string: Gallium 0.4 on AMD CYPRESS   OpenGL version string: 2.1 Mesa 8.0.2
[14:00] <faglnar> OpenGL shading language version string: 1.20
[14:01] <faglnar> (i tried to pipe the grep to pastebinit but it wont work)
[14:04] <BluesKaj> does ati use the mesa driver as default , like nouveau is with nvidia ..seems so ..fag have you you checked for additional drivers in kmenu>apps>system?
[14:04] <faglnar> btw in systemsettings>startup&shutdown>sessionmanagement is no restore settings, only restore session, but i dont want previously open programs to be reopened on login
[14:05] <faglnar> yes it has the fglrx or the fglrx-updates drivers
[14:05] <BluesKaj> restore session assumes you close apps before logging out
[14:05] <BluesKaj> install the fglrx driver
[14:05] <faglnar> no
[14:05] <BluesKaj> why not ?
[14:06] <faglnar> it will make my system crash every hour
[14:06] <faglnar> when installed everything feels unstable, lots of stuff crashes and vmware instacrashes the entire system
[14:07] <faglnar> its definitely not usabla
[14:07] <BluesKaj> fag have you updated/upgraded the system since , it might be more stable now , if you haven't
[14:08] <BluesKaj> faglnar,^
[14:08] <faglnar> i do regular updates and the last time i tried it was 2 weeks ago
[14:08] <faglnar> same shit as usual
[14:12] <starlook> My xrandr not detect the second monitor.
[14:12] <BluesKaj> nice language , faglnar ...it's not necessary here
[14:13] <faglnar> okay wont use that further
[14:17] <BluesKaj> starlook, never used xrander , have you tried opngl instead ?
[14:18] <BluesKaj> opengl rather
[14:20] <BluesKaj> er xrender
[14:25] <muh2000> hi all
[14:25] <muh2000> what app is that: http://i0.simplest-image-hosting.net/picture/whatisthat.png  ?
[14:25]  * faglnar goes offline for the fucking shits sake of anal ruptured cockslaves
[15:58] <JoeSomebody> on a 64 bit laptop installation hp dv7 i for some reason have nothing but a blue screen, wtf? help!
[15:59] <JoeSomebody> the dv7 update for the thing didn't work
[15:59] <JoeSomebody> is that why?
[16:00] <JoeSomebody> and every install says cannot mark all in package manager, what's up there?
[17:15] <ok123_> can anyone tell me where exactly ""/path/to/your/kde4/install/dir"" is in ubuntu?
[17:23] <DarthFrog> ok123_:  /usr/bin
[17:37] <renato|2> Hi there, could someone help me really fast? :)
[17:38] <renato|2> Having some issues installing adobe AIR :x
[17:38] <renatof> someone? :x
[17:41] <renatof> Anyone here????
[17:42] <renatof> erikja: erikja:
[17:43] <erikja> ?
[17:44] <renatof> you know about kubuntu erikja?
[17:44] <renatof> could you help me?
[17:44] <erikja> what's about ?
[17:44] <renatof> about adobe AIR
[17:44] <renatof> i get an error.
[17:45] <erikja> negative, I know of KDE, as I run opensuse
[17:45] <renatof> about permissions. admin won't let me install it or i don't have enough permissions to install. But i'm the admin :x
[17:45] <renatof> well, kubuntu is KDE
[17:45] <erikja> install it as admin
[17:45] <renatof> how to do that? :s
[17:45] <renatof> i usually just use the terminal doing sudo ./
[17:45] <erikja> yes that's one way
[17:45] <renatof> how can i run it as admin? :S
[17:46] <renatof> can you explain me?
[17:46] <erikja> you do run as admin with sudo
[17:46] <renatof> oh, i did that, but thats when i get that error.
[17:46] <erikja> does Kubunut use zypper ?
[17:46] <renatof> i also tryed runing as sudo su but not working either
[17:47] <erikja> What eaxcatly did you do ?
[17:47] <renatof> first i downloaded it.
[17:47] <erikja> and
[17:47] <renatof> then i did chmod +x Adobe.bin
[17:47] <renatof> then i did sudo ./Adobe.bin
[17:47] <renatof> and i get that error
[17:47] <renatof> i also tryes
[17:47] <renatof> sudo su
[17:47] <FloodBotK1> renatof: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[17:47] <renatof> but that way it didn't even open
[17:48] <erikja> FloodBotK1, ok you take over bye
[17:48] <renatof> well, you won't help me then? :x
[17:48] <erikja> yes I will, but FloodBotK1 took over from me
[17:49] <renatof> flood is a bot, it won't help me at all D:
[17:50] <renatof> erikja: do you want to talk in private?
[17:54] <erikja> renatof, http://kubuntu101.blogspot.dk/2009/05/installing-adobe-air-in-kubuntu.html
[17:57] <OerHeks> erikja, this is more recent, and suited for kubuntu >>> http://www.liberiangeek.net/2012/04/install-adobe-flash-reader-air-in-ubuntu-12-04-precise-pangolin/
[17:59] <renatof> OerHeks thats my doubts. erikja was trying to help me.
[17:59] <renatof> but still, it is not working. i still have the same permission issue.
[17:59] <OerHeks> I am on gnome/unity and it doesn't work for me.
[17:59] <renatof> I can't fix it :(
[18:00] <renatof> the common error on gnome is about kwallet i guess, right?
[18:00] <renatof> thats easy to fix.
[18:00] <renatof> but i'm on KDE
[18:00] <renatof> i can't install adobe air.
[18:00] <renatof> it say i need to ask for permission to the admin, but i don't know how :x
[18:22] <shadeslayer> anyone who would like to test a better virtuoso for precise?
[18:29] <hector__> hello
[18:29] <DarthFrog> shadeslayer: Virtuoso?  How better?
[18:30] <shadeslayer> DarthFrog: upstream recommends it, has bug fixes and says it's faster
[18:30] <DarthFrog> OK, what do you want me to do?
[18:30] <shadeslayer> DarthFrog: I'll upload a package in a couple of minutes to https://launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/experimental, please add the PPA and upgrade
[18:31] <shadeslayer> then search for a file that nepomuk has already indexed ( via dolphin or krunner )
[18:32] <DarthFrog> Heh, "DO NOT INSTALL!"  Very comforting, that.
[18:33] <hector__> nowwwwwwwwww
[18:34] <hector__> I am ARGENTINIAN
[18:34] <shadeslayer> DarthFrog: ok, that's for people who unknowingly install PPA's :P
[18:34] <shadeslayer> Only install that PPA when I say it's ok :P
[18:34] <shadeslayer> hector__: hi
[18:34] <hector__> mierda
[18:35] <DarthFrog> !ar | hector__
[18:36] <hector__> tank you
[18:38] <shadeslayer> virtuoso sure does have alot of tests ....
[19:46] <pf> hola
[19:47] <neocran> hhh
[19:47] <neocran> no habla espagnola
[19:47] <pf> alguien de chile
[19:48] <pf> alguien de arica
[19:50] <genii-around> !es
[19:51] <renato> Hi there. Someone helpfull here?
[19:53] <renato> Ok, apparently not..
[19:58] <renato> Why is this IRC on kunbutu's webpage if nobody here helps?
[20:02] <genii-around> !details | renato
[20:02] <shadeslayer> renato: if you'd just ask your question ... maybe someone would have answered
[20:04] <renato> Well, i have a problem installing Adobe AIR on kubuntu 12.04. When i try to install it using sudo ./Adobe.bin, i get an error that say something like "You don't have admin permissions. Contact the admin" I'm the admin, so i don't know what to do to install it.
[20:10] <renato> So, can you help me to fix it?
[20:12] <OerHeks> renato, did you perform " sudo chmod +x AdobeAIRInstaller.bin " ?
[20:13] <renato> yes i did.
[20:13] <renato> OerHeks: yes i did.
[20:13] <OerHeks> Then i don't understand the permission issue.
[20:14]  * OerHeks was peeking @ http://www.liberiangeek.net/2012/04/install-adobe-flash-reader-air-in-ubuntu-12-04-precise-pangolin/
[20:14] <renato> Me neither, i don't know what to do and i really need it :/
[20:14] <renato> want some screens?
[20:15] <renato> Its in portuguese but i think its easy to see and understand..
[20:16] <renato> OerHeks: do you think there is a way to fix it?
[20:16] <OerHeks> are you running 32bit or 64bit ?
[20:16] <renato> 32bit
[20:16] <OerHeks> i run 64 bit so i gave up, since ubuntu is multi-arch.
[20:17] <renato> so, you can't help me?
[20:17] <OerHeks> i am not sure, post the screenshot with the error, or use ubuntu.paste.com for text only
[20:18] <renato> I'll send you a screenshot in private ok?
[20:18] <renato> Its in portuguse, is that a problem for you or you can translate?
[20:18] <OerHeks> please here, so anyone can comment/help
[20:18] <renato> ok ok.
[20:19] <OerHeks> what program does need adobe-air, bytheway?
[20:20] <renato> a game. If i make it work i can completly migrate for linux. But i need something to entretain myself..
[20:20] <renato> I can make it run with wine, but it glitches a little bit sometimes.
[20:20] <renato> and it is linux compatible so, why not runing it well?
[20:24] <BarkingFish> evening all - need a little help.  I'm in Firefox right now, and I have got mailto: links on a page I use. If I click them, nada happens.  Is there any way to config the system on what progs should open what types of links?
[20:30] <renato> OerHeks: I shared the screenshot, how can i post it here?
[20:31] <BarkingFish> renato, are you on the page with the screenshot now? if so, just copy the url from the address bar, and paste it here :)
[20:32] <renato> Ohhhh, nvm.. i thought i needed to share it on the IRC client.. nvm, stupid me. I'll post it on imageshake or something like that and post it here
[20:33] <genii-around> BarkingFish: What do you want it to open when you hit a mailto: link?
[20:34] <BarkingFish> kmail, genii-around
[20:37] <renato> ok i have the error here
[20:37] <renato> http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/690/erroradobeair.png/
[20:37] <genii-around> BarkingFish: network.protocol-handler.external.mailto  should be set to "true"  and network.protocol-handler.app.mailto should be set to "kmail"   ( in about:config )
[20:38] <renato> genii-around: genii D:
[20:39] <BarkingFish> l,
[20:39] <BarkingFish> ok genii-around - I will get to that.
[20:39] <BarkingFish> Thanks :)
[20:40] <BarkingFish> And renato - I can barely just see the error, and my portuguese isn't brilliant, but from what I understand, Adobe Air isn't letting you install because apparently that feature is locked out by an administrator... right?
[20:40] <BarkingFish> imageshack.us isn't letting me zoom in on the pic :(
[20:40] <renato> Thats right Barking
[20:40] <renato> and i don't know how to fix it :(
[20:41] <renato> This is my computer, shouldn't i be the administrator? How can i fix it?
[20:42] <renato> I tryed to sudo it. I just can't go through it :(
[20:44] <BarkingFish> genii-around, how do I add that second line you mentioned into my config - the network.protocol-handler.app.mailto is not in my config
[20:45] <genii-around> BarkingFish: right-click on browser screen... select New...String
[20:45] <BarkingFish> ok :)
[20:46] <BarkingFish> right, 'tis done. I will test that now :)
[20:46] <renato> BarkingFish: You don't know how to fix my issue?
[20:46] <BarkingFish> normally, renato - I would have done that by simply logging into the whole desktop as root, and doing it there.
[20:47] <renato> BarkingFish: and how can i do that?  :x
[20:47] <BarkingFish> Unfortunately, being a signatory to ubuntu's code of conduct means I have to abide by their rules, so I'm not allowed to aid or assist a user in setting up a root account, root password, or teaching them how to do so.
[20:47] <renato> BarkingFish: Is by doing sudo su? Becouse i tryed that too but its not working
[20:47] <BarkingFish> I'd be for the high jump :(
[20:48] <devuberoi> i am having an audio issue with kubuntu 12.04 LTS, even if i mute the audio, it still is not actually mute. Only the icon shows its mute.
[20:48] <genii-around> renato: Have you tried with kdesudo instead?
[20:48] <devuberoi> anyone with same issue?
[20:48] <renato> BarkingFish: So... i won't have this issue solved, right?
[20:48] <BarkingFish> I certainly can't help you or tell you how to do it - if you want to google and read how to do it, I can't stop you there :)
[20:48] <renato> genii-around: kdesudo? i don't think so.
[20:48] <renato> genii-around: its just that? kdesudo ./?
[20:49] <genii-around> renato: Yes, instead of sudo
[20:49] <BarkingFish> but anything you do in a root account is pretty lethal to your machine, it won't question anything you do - so if you do it, on your own head be it :)
[20:49]  * genii-around makes sure BarkingFish gets a cookie for being good
[20:49] <renato> genii-around: it didn't work doing kdesudo :/
[20:49] <renato> BarkingFish: don't worry, i don't even know how to do it, so i won't..
[20:50] <BarkingFish> very wise.
[20:50] <renato> I guess i won't this problem solved :(
[20:50] <devuberoi> guys can anyone help me with audio problem on kubuntu?
[20:50] <BarkingFish> "He who plays around in root, is likely to kill tree"
[20:50] <BarkingFish> devuberoi, be patient - we will be with you shortly.
[20:50] <markit> renato: OMHO, better stay away from proprietary programs as much as you can
[20:50] <genii-around> work, afk
[20:50] <renato> markit: how so?
[20:50] <devuberoi> BarkingFish: sorry, and thanks :)
[20:51] <BarkingFish> bbfn genii-around - and thanks for the help :)
[20:51] <markit> renato: don't install adobe air :)
[20:51] <BarkingFish> and np, devuberoi
[20:51] <renato> BarkingFish: So, there's nothing i can do to solve it, right?
[20:51] <renato> markit: but i need it to run something i want..
[20:51] <BarkingFish> renato, I didn't say that. I said you can learn how to do what I mentioned, but I can't teach you :)
[20:51] <markit> renato: use windows then, don't poison your Free os
[20:52] <renato> markit: the program i'm trying to run, was developed for linux, it just needs adobe air to run.
[20:52] <BarkingFish> ok - devuberoi - thank you for hanging on there. May I start by asking what sound card you have in your machine please?
[20:52] <renato> BarkingFish: In other words, no ,you won't have your problem solved.
[20:53] <BarkingFish> interpret it how you wish, renato - I'm physically forbidden from teaching you the way I would have fixed it.
[20:53] <renato> BarkingFish: I googled this problem and there are people who installed it. But nothing works for me.
[20:53] <devuberoi> BarkingFish: i don't know, how do i check? a bit of noob here... it says Redwood HDMI Audio
[20:53] <BarkingFish> that's good enough for me, devuberoi :)
[20:53] <markit> renato: if depends upon proprietary software, and needs proprietary software, you are installing then proprietary software... don't understand how things are different just because is needed by "a program for linux".
[20:54] <markit> if so the developer was very silly, or is a proprietary program for linux itself
[20:54] <BarkingFish> Can you press ALT + F2, and type  konsole  please, devuberoi?
[20:54] <markit> in any case, proprietary program = unknown code an behaviour = a trojan in any case
[20:54] <devuberoi> on it BarkingFish
[20:54] <markit> don't sell your freedom for convenience ;P
[20:55] <devuberoi> on the terminal BarkingFish :)
[20:55] <renato> markit: well, you don't use adobe flash to play your videos on youtube?
[20:55] <markit> renato: no, I use gnash
[20:55] <renato> markit: and yet, you didn't "sell your freedom"
[20:55] <markit> and if something does not work, is your problem
[20:55] <BarkingFish> devuberoi, when you have konsole open, can you type: lspci  please, and look for the audio or sound card in the listing which appears.   On that line will be an 8 digit code, seperated into 2 blocks of 4 by a : - can you type it here for me please?
[20:56] <renato> markit: If you don't want to help, i don't even know why you gave your oppinion in the first place. But whatever..
[20:56] <markit> (you = content provider)
[20:56] <BarkingFish> it's the device ident code, first 4 digits are the maker/vendor, second 4 tell you which product it actually is
[20:56] <renato> Thanks anyway Barking
[20:56] <BarkingFish> np
[20:56] <markit> renato: to save you from doing damage :)
[20:58] <devuberoi> BarkingFish: no 8-digit code appears. it lists 2 audio devices though, one is Audio device: Intel Corporation 5 Series/3400 Series Chipset High Definition Audio (rev 06)
[20:58] <devuberoi>  and the other is Radeon HD 5000 series
[20:59] <BarkingFish> devuberoi, that's unusual.  could you run  lspci -nn please, and check again?  I think I might have given you the wrong info :P
[21:00] <OerHeks> abcd:1234
[21:00] <devuberoi> BarkingFish, now it works :P 8086:3b56
[21:01] <BarkingFish> thank you, devuberoi :)
[21:01] <devuberoi> BarkingFish: and 1002:aa60 for AMD Radeon 5000 series
[21:01] <devuberoi> its unusual, BarkingFish how can i have 2 audio devices? :O
[21:03] <BarkingFish> devuberoi, the AMD Radeon 5000 is a video card, it is possible it has integrated audio for attachment to something like a video camera or DV device
[21:03] <BarkingFish> I couldn't rightly tell you, but I know some video devices have audio i/o on them
[21:04] <devuberoi> BarkingFish, oh ok :)
[21:04] <BarkingFish> As for your main sound card, when you click Kmix on the bottom toolbar, do you get a "mixer" button?
[21:04] <devuberoi> BarkingFish: yup
[21:05] <BarkingFish> can you click it and open your mixer please, and tell me what channels you have in it?
[21:06] <BarkingFish> it's perfectly possible you have the wrong channel set as master in there :)
[21:06] <devuberoi> BarkingFish: i get built in analog audio and HDMI Audio
[21:06] <BarkingFish> 0.0
[21:06]  * BarkingFish finds himself in the depths of pulseaudio again
[21:06] <devuberoi> BarkingFish, oh crap, i guess you are right :P
[21:06] <BarkingFish> What channel comes up on the volume control when you click it?
[21:07] <BarkingFish> It will either say the name of one or the other of those channels
[21:07] <devuberoi> HDMI Audio (radeon 5000 series) redwood thingy
[21:07] <BarkingFish> Yeah. Are you using the HDMI sound or are you using the regular analog sound?
[21:07] <devuberoi> as of now, HDMI i think
[21:08] <devuberoi> yup, HDMI it is
[21:08] <BarkingFish> so the sound card on your PC is hooked up to HDMI, correct?
[21:09] <BarkingFish> or is it hooked up to regular, bog standard 3.5mm plugged in speakers?
[21:09] <devuberoi> i have a dell inspiron 14r, its got a 3.5mm plug in jacka and HDMI output as well
[21:09] <devuberoi> and nothing is connected as of now
[21:09] <BarkingFish> ah, so it's going through the laptop speakers?
[21:10] <devuberoi> yup
[21:10] <BarkingFish> ok - can you click at the top of the mixer block, on settings, and select "Select master channel" please?
[21:11] <BarkingFish> when the box comes up, can you tell me which channel is marked as the master please (which has the dot next to it?)
[21:11] <devuberoi> it was HDMI
[21:12] <BarkingFish> ok, can you set it to Internal analog audio please? and select OK
[21:12] <devuberoi> ok, did it :)
[21:12] <BarkingFish> right - now do you have some sound that you can play while we're talking please?
[21:12] <devuberoi> i''ll try :)
[21:13] <BarkingFish> great.  While you're doing that, can you right click on the kmix Icon, and select quit please?
[21:14] <devuberoi> built in audio works :P
[21:14] <BarkingFish> when you've done this, hit the [K] button in the plasma toolbar, and go to multimedia, then select kmix and click on it please?
[21:15] <devuberoi> BarkingFish, i did :)
[21:15] <BarkingFish> when kmix reopens, if you click on the icon, it should now say "Internal analog audio" at the top
[21:15] <devuberoi> it does :)
[21:15] <BarkingFish> if you click the mute icon, does the sound stop totally?
[21:16] <devuberoi> it does :)
[21:16] <BarkingFish> excellent.
[21:16] <devuberoi> thanks a lot BarkingFish :)
[21:16] <BarkingFish> Pulseaudio kills a lot of the mixer options, devuberoi - it makes it a bit tougher to work out mixer issues, imo
[21:17] <devuberoi> i guess i should have played a little more with the settings :P
[21:17] <BarkingFish> and you're welcome.  I took PA off here about 2 releases back, never put it back on :)
[21:17] <BarkingFish> ALSA all the way for me :D
[21:17] <devuberoi> lol :P
[21:18] <BarkingFish> i'm glad you're fixed.  You might want to reboot now, and make sure that the configuration remains in place when you restart kde :)
[21:18] <devuberoi> i'll do that, so how exactly do i shift from PA to ALSA?
[21:18] <devuberoi> :P
[21:19] <BarkingFish> You would remove pulseaudio entirely by removing its cookies from your /home folder, then purging pulseaudio from your system entirely.  You would then need to install alsa-utils and alsamixer
[21:20] <BarkingFish> if you want help to do that, I'll assist you after you've rebooted, cause we'll probably need to do this again :P
[21:21] <devuberoi> lol, rebooting right now :P
[21:21] <devuberoi> see in a while
[21:21] <BarkingFish> ok, see you in a bit
[21:21] <BarkingFish> ping me if I'm not talking, just mention my nick and redlight me :)
[21:22] <Num83rGuy> How can I remove pulse audio and go with pure alsa?  I am sick with the feted pile that is pulse.  bad sound in flash, massive network usage, bad sound in games, etc. I am fed up. Please point me to something telling me how to remove it frome Kubuntu 12.04 safely and still have sound.
[21:23] <BarkingFish> Num83rGuy, I will write this process up as a text document and put it on the net.  Saves me doing it in channel :) I can probably give it to devuberoi too
[21:24] <Num83rGuy> OK thank you very much.
[21:25] <Num83rGuy> Wow it seems I am not alone.
[21:26] <itatitat> guys is possible to minimize an application in a second panel (I have one in the top of the screen)
[21:26] <itatitat> ?
[21:32] <BarkingFish> Num83rGuy, http://pastebin.com/WzCdX3z0
[21:33] <BarkingFish> read the bit at the top and take note :)
[21:33] <BarkingFish> and then off you go/
[21:34] <Num83rGuy> Thank you. Is the paste permanent? If so can I put it up on G+?
[21:34] <BarkingFish> Num83rGuy, no, you can't put it up on G+. Sorry - it's an unlisted paste :)
[21:34] <BarkingFish> If I'd made it public, you could have put it anywhere.
[21:35] <Num83rGuy> OK no problem thanks agan.
[21:35] <BarkingFish> be aware, for lines 6 and 7, start those 2 commands with sudo  :)
[21:36] <devuberoi> BarkingFish, my laptop refuses to detect wireless network, had to shift to my desktop :(
[21:36] <BarkingFish> devuberoi, that's odd.
[21:36] <devuberoi> rebooted 3 times
[21:37] <BarkingFish> unfortunately, unless you want help with ndiswrapper, i'm crud with networking :P
[21:37] <devuberoi> BarkingFish, i have a BCM4313 (Broadcom) Wireless card, which as per my search is giving issues to everyone who has it :/
[21:38] <BarkingFish> i do however, have the removal instructions for PA here - i posted them to pastebin.com. rather than explain them in channel - just be aware, for commands 6 and 7, you will need to start those with  sudo  :)
[21:38] <BarkingFish> http://pastebin.com/WzCdX3z0
[21:38] <devuberoi> cool, thanks :)
[21:38] <BarkingFish> ah. The broadcom saga :D  I don't mess with networking unless I'm doing ndiswrapper, which is how I get on the net here - my USB Wifi adapter isn't supported officially yet
[21:42] <devuberoi> lol, so do i also use ndiswrapper with windows drivers? :P
[21:43] <BarkingFish> yeah
[21:44] <BarkingFish> you have to set up ndiswrapper using the drivers which your device came with or (like me) you can download them from the net
[21:45] <devuberoi> the official wiki list of ndiswrapper does not have my PCI card :(
[21:45] <BarkingFish> it doesn't have mine on it either, doesn't mean you can't get it working :)
[21:47] <OerHeks> broadcom should work, 4313 >> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx#Installing_STA_drivers
[21:47] <devuberoi> it does, but erractically
[21:48] <BarkingFish> OerHeks, it was doing from what I gather - devuberoi was on it fine prior to rebooting after I got their sound sorted
[21:48] <devuberoi> works fine for 2-3 boots, but the 4th time i boot the system again, it does not detect any network unless i boot it again for few times
[21:49] <devuberoi> BarkingFish, OerHeks, i have the proprietary drivers installed and enabled via ADDITIONAL DRIVERS section
[21:50] <devuberoi> still it gives me headache
[21:56] <devuberoi> BarkingFish, there?
[22:00] <BarkingFish> busy, won't be a moment :) just dealing with a phone call
[22:05] <BarkingFish> back
[22:05] <BarkingFish> sorry about that
[22:05] <Spiker> Hey there.... Looking for some assistance
[22:06] <BarkingFish> devuberoi, so - how did you get on?
[22:06] <Spiker> It's to do with the "Memory Status Widget"
[22:06] <BarkingFish> ah, you probably couldn't finish I'd imagine. If you couldn't get on the net from your laptop, you couldn't finish step 7 L(
[22:10] <Brustofski-Fan> what is on the dvd that is not on the cd?
[22:12] <Spiker> Anyone can help me with my problem?
[22:13] <devuberoi> still on the desktop :P
[22:13] <devuberoi> BarkingFish, how do i install the driver with ndiswrapper?
[22:14] <devuberoi> it gives me error as no such file exists when i type ndiswrapper -i bcmvwl
[22:14] <devuberoi> it gives me error as no such file exists when i type ndiswrapper -i bcmvwl.inf
[22:14] <BarkingFish> devuberoi, the thing is - you need to be connected to the net on the laptop in order to get this to work - the new ndiswrapper module isn't on any of the old iso disks
[22:15] <BarkingFish> oh sugar. nvm
[22:15] <devuberoi> i installed the ndiswrapper via usd
[22:15] <devuberoi> usb*
[22:15] <BarkingFish> you're on 12.04 - you have the new ndiswrapper module anyway :)
[22:15] <devuberoi> oh :P
[22:15] <BarkingFish> ok - ndiswrapper is dkms supported now
[22:15] <devuberoi> i still installed the testing version from sourceforge
[22:15] <BarkingFish> 0.o
[22:16] <devuberoi> i sense something wrong here :P
[22:16] <tomglory24> hi
[22:16] <BarkingFish> right - the first thing you need to then is have the files available to you.  where do you have your bcm drivers? on cd or usb?
[22:17] <devuberoi> usb
[22:17] <BarkingFish> excellent. can you cd to whichever folder or file your usb is mounted at please?
[22:17] <devuberoi> yup, done
[22:17] <BarkingFish> and then cd into the right folder for the bcm drivers
[22:17] <devuberoi> yup
[22:17] <devuberoi> done
[22:18] <BarkingFish> ok - can you type   ndiswrapper -l  please (that's l as in Lima)
[22:18] <devuberoi> did
[22:18] <BarkingFish> sorry, i do that cause my font is funny - l and i almost look the same on here, and my eyesight isn't hot :)
[22:18] <devuberoi> lol :P
[22:19] <BarkingFish> ok -  you should have gotten no response from it, just your prompt
[22:19] <devuberoi> yup
[22:19] <BarkingFish> right, next - type the ndiswrapper -i command with the .inf file you want to install.
[22:21] <devuberoi> i did that, thats where it says no such file  at usr/sbin/wrapper
[22:21] <BarkingFish> ok, you've not got ndiswrapper installed properly then.
[22:21] <devuberoi> oh great
[22:22] <devuberoi> how do i do that now ?
[22:22] <BarkingFish> you need three files to make ndiswrapper work correctly - ndiswrapper-dkms, ndiswrapper-common and ndiswrapper-utils
[22:23] <BarkingFish> if you can download those three files from our local pools, onto a USB stick, and copy them into your laptop, we can go from there.
[22:23] <BarkingFish> Hold on and I will get you a link to do this.
[22:24] <devuberoi> okay
[22:24] <BarkingFish> devuberoi, http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/n/ndiswrapper/
[22:25] <BarkingFish> that is for the ndiswrapper common and utils files, get the common ending in all.deb and utils ending in i386.deb
[22:26] <BarkingFish> i will find the ndiswrapper-dkms and link you to that too
[22:26] <devuberoi> i have a 64 bit system :P
[22:27] <BarkingFish> oopsie
[22:27] <BarkingFish> hold on then
[22:27] <devuberoi> :)
[22:27] <BarkingFish> here, you need to get ndiswrapper-dkms_1.56-3_all.deb   http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/n/ndiswrapper/
[22:28] <devuberoi> not the 1.57 ? the rest i did 1.57
[22:29] <BarkingFish> well yeah, get 1.57 if you wish :)
[22:29] <BarkingFish> I have still got 1.56 on here, but 1.57 won't be much different, it may not even be different at all :)
[22:29] <devuberoi> oh ok :)
[22:29] <devuberoi> now i install these right?
[22:30] <BarkingFish> have you saved those files to your usb stick?
[22:30] <devuberoi> yup
[22:30] <devuberoi> loaded on the laptop as well
[22:30] <BarkingFish> ok - do you know how to install packages locally?
[22:31] <devuberoi> i just install them through QApt
[22:31] <BarkingFish> you need to install them in a particular order to get this right though
[22:31] <devuberoi> oh
[22:31] <BarkingFish> common first, devuberoi - then utils,  then the dkms package
[22:31] <devuberoi> how ?
[22:31] <devuberoi> ok
[22:32] <BarkingFish> if you don't have the common files there, the other 2 will fail as having missing dependencies :)
[22:32] <devuberoi> cool :)
[22:34] <devuberoi> done
[22:34] <BarkingFish> excellent.  Now you can try the ndiswrapper commands again.  start with the ndiswrapper -i command
[22:35] <BarkingFish> it should work, if not you may need to reboot to allow dkms to build ndiswrapper
[22:36] <devuberoi> rebooting
[22:36] <BarkingFish> ok
[22:37] <devuberoi> the best part would be my wifi card starts working after the boot :P
[22:37] <BarkingFish> not yet it won't, we got stuff to do first :)
[22:38] <BarkingFish> it will do if we can get ndiswrapper functioning :)
[22:38] <devuberoi> a big LOL, now its connected to my home wifi :P
[22:38] <devuberoi> #facepalm
[22:38] <BarkingFish> 0.0
[22:40] <devuberoi> yeah, it happens :P
[22:44] <devuberoi> BarkingFish, ok i installed, and it says driver installed, device (14E4:4727) present
[22:45] <BarkingFish> excellent.
[22:45] <BarkingFish> Now what we need to do is confirm assignment to the device.
[22:45] <devuberoi> oh ok
[22:45] <BarkingFish> so - in a terminal, type: ndiswrapper -a 14E4:4727 (driver name without the .inf)
[22:46] <BarkingFish> you should get told the device is already using that driver
[22:49] <devuberoi> it says driver already used for 14e4:4727
[22:49] <BarkingFish> excellent
[22:49] <BarkingFish> 3 more little steps and we're away
[22:49] <devuberoi> oh cool
[22:49] <BarkingFish> 3 small commands then, run each seperately and hit enter after each one :)
[22:50] <devuberoi> okay :)
[22:50] <BarkingFish> ndiswrapper -m       ndiswrapper -ma          ndiswrapper -mi
[22:51] <devuberoi> done :)
[22:52] <BarkingFish> ok - so the very very last step then.  Can you uninstall your proprietary drivers please?  It's possible they may interfere with ndiswrapper, they'll both try to activate the wifi :)
[22:53] <devuberoi> okay :)
[22:56] <devuberoi> cool, its done now :)
[22:56] <devuberoi> BarkingFish, thr?
[22:57] <BarkingFish> yup
[22:57] <BarkingFish> ok, now just type   sudo modprobe ndiswrapper
[22:57] <BarkingFish> then restart kde (not your whole machine) and you should be able to get straight back onto the net
[22:58] <BarkingFish> to restart kde from the terminal, type: sudo service kdm restart
[22:58] <BarkingFish> you'll vanish from here if you're on the laptop
[23:01] <devuberoi> not showing any wireless card now :(
[23:04] <harp> How can I setup an kubuntu system to be logged in from another computer over the web?
[23:04] <BarkingFish> devuberoi, ok - you've rebooted, and it's coming up with no wireless device at all...
[23:04] <BarkingFish> that is unusual.
[23:05] <devuberoi> nope, nothing
[23:13] <BarkingFish> can you open up your konsole, and type: ndiswrapper -l please
[23:13] <BarkingFish> just check ndiswrapper is picking up and finding something
[23:13] <devuberoi> yup
[23:14] <devuberoi> driver installed, device present
[23:14] <BarkingFish> ok, then can you do this for me please?
[23:14] <BarkingFish> sudo modprobe -r ndiswrapper
[23:15] <devuberoi> did
[23:15] <BarkingFish> ok, look at your network manager - you should have a red square, white X in the middle, yes?
[23:15] <devuberoi> yup
[23:16] <devuberoi> lan jack icon with red box x
[23:16] <BarkingFish> ok, back to your terminal, and can you please type:  sudo modprobe ndiswrapper
[23:16] <BarkingFish> if ndiswrapper picks up, the red box, white X will disappear
[23:17] <devuberoi> nope, same
[23:17] <BarkingFish> :(
[23:17] <BarkingFish> ok, can you type   iwconfig  please?
[23:18] <devuberoi> did, lo no wireless extensions, eth0 no wireless extensions
[23:18] <BarkingFish> dang
[23:18] <BarkingFish> ok, please give me one moment while I go check for something :)
[23:18] <devuberoi> ok
[23:20] <BarkingFish> right, could you cd to /etc/modprobe.d please? :)
[23:20] <devuberoi> did
[23:21] <BarkingFish> now, can you type: vi ndiswrapper.conf please?
[23:21] <devuberoi> did, then?
[23:22] <BarkingFish> can you tell me - is there anything in that file?
[23:23] <devuberoi> lot of install lines
[23:26] <BarkingFish> can you see any in there which have this attached to them:  alias wlan0 ndiswrapper
[23:28] <devuberoi> none
[23:29] <devuberoi> :/
[23:30] <devuberoi> its 5:0 AM here, i think i should sleep, work tomorrow :P
[23:31] <devuberoi> BarkingFish, will catch up later i guess :) what time you come on IRC ?
[23:31] <BarkingFish> Ok - so it's 5 am where you are.
[23:31] <BarkingFish> It's 00:30 here -
[23:32] <devuberoi> yup, too late/early :P
[23:32] <BarkingFish> I normally come on the net about 19:00 (7PM) my time.
[23:32] <devuberoi> what seems to be the issue? any idea?
[23:32] <devuberoi> oh cool
[23:32] <BarkingFish> Which is about midnightish where you are.
[23:32] <devuberoi> yup :)
[23:32] <BarkingFish> It sounds to me like you haven't got an alias set up for your wireless card in the ndiswrapper config.
[23:33] <devuberoi> will catch you that time again tomorrow :)
[23:33] <devuberoi> any fix for that?
[23:33] <BarkingFish> It might be we need to fix that, otherwise ndiswrapper doesn't know what it's supposed to be running :)
[23:33] <BarkingFish> yeah - I'll go over it with you tomorrow night
[23:33] <devuberoi> cool, thanks mate :)
[23:34] <BarkingFish> no probs, you're welcome
[23:34] <BarkingFish> have a good night's sleep :)
[23:34] <BarkingFish> we can work tomorrow when you're refreshed
[23:36] <devuberoi> sure, will catch you tomorrow :) gnyt :)
[23:37] <BarkingFish> bye
[23:37] <BarkingFish> :)