[06:18] <bkerensa> jono: When are you going to visit imbrandon and go on a vacation in KC?
[06:18] <bkerensa> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kansas_City-style_barbecue
[06:18] <bkerensa> :D
[06:21] <jono> bkerensa, I would love to check out some KC BBQ
[06:21] <jono> my 22" Weber arrives tomorrow :-)
[06:21] <jono> very excited!
[06:22] <imbrandon> i got something better than kc bbq tho .... https://fiber.google.com/about/
[06:22] <imbrandon> :)
[06:22] <imbrandon> btw wth yall doing up this late :) lol
[06:23] <philballew> Its only 11 on the west here :)
[06:23] <imbrandon> ahh
[06:23] <imbrandon> i always forget that
[06:23] <philballew> that is late, if I slept decent hours.
[06:24] <imbrandon> heh
[06:24] <imbrandon> better than the 130 here
[06:25] <imbrandon> that said , i think i'm off to sleep, gnight all
[06:25] <jono> imbrandon, not sure if it is better
[06:26] <jono> BBQ is pretty awesome :-)
[06:26] <imbrandon> hahah :)
[06:26] <philballew> Few things beat a late night BBQ.
[06:26] <imbrandon> get some kc masterpiece for your next grillout
[06:26] <imbrandon> its probably the most authentic and made here
[06:26] <imbrandon> and rocks
[06:27] <imbrandon> gotta like kc style tho, not texas style, semi-sweet browsugar bbq :)
[06:29] <imbrandon> http://www.kcmasterpiece.com/bbq_hbrwnsugar/
[06:39] <bkerensa> Im not much of a fan of BBQ
[06:40] <bkerensa> Its good... but nothing beats Sushi or maybe some Popeyes
[06:40] <bkerensa> :)
[06:40] <bkerensa> But if I were in KC and had to eat BBQ then Arthur Bryants is where I would eat
[06:41] <philballew> bkerensa, do you go to kc often or just enjoy using Yelp? :)
[06:42]  * philballew runs and hides
[06:42] <bkerensa> philballew: I have been there twice
[06:42] <philballew> nice, its on my cities to go to!
[06:43] <bkerensa> just a quick trip through each time but I hear Bryants is the best
[06:43] <bkerensa> Iowa is a good state
[06:43] <bkerensa> :D
[06:43] <bkerensa> KC imho pretty industrial
[06:43]  * JoseeAntonioR insists you should come here and eat what bkerensa loves
[06:46] <bkerensa> Ceviche?
[06:46] <philballew> I just wanna go as I have friends there and my a sister college is just outside in Olathe.
[06:46] <JoseeAntonioR> bkerensa: yeah, Ceviche de Camaron, but not with tostada ;)
[06:47] <philballew> *my sister
[06:48] <bkerensa> JoseeAntonioR: Or perhaps some Pollo con Papas?
[06:49] <JoseeAntonioR> bkerensa: Pollo a la Brasa con Papas ;) that's even better
[06:50] <bkerensa> In Mason City, Iowa they have this place called Taco Johns
[06:50] <bkerensa> I think it might be a midwestern chain kind of like Taco Bell
[06:51] <bkerensa> I know Carls Jr is called Hardees in the Midwest
[06:56] <philballew> Taco johns is like Papa John's bkerensa ?
[06:57] <bkerensa> uhh not so much
[06:57] <bkerensa> they sells Tacos and Churos
[06:57] <bkerensa> and Frosties
[06:57] <bkerensa> :D
[06:58] <philballew> well for sure, just wondered as many companies have smaller companies that all use different names to hid the fact its all large corporations running food in America.
[06:58] <philballew> *hide
[07:25] <dholbach> good morning
[07:25] <elfy> morning dholbach
[07:25] <dholbach> hey elfy
[08:49] <s-fox> Anyone from the community council around?
[08:59] <dholbach> yes
[08:59] <JoseeAntonioR> s-fox: ^
[09:06] <s-fox> hey dholbach  :)
[09:06] <dholbach> hey :)
[09:06] <s-fox> dholbach,  can you adjust a setting on launchpad for the forums council please?
[09:06] <s-fox> https://launchpad.net/~forum-council
[09:06] <dholbach> which one?
[09:06] <s-fox> we want to update our members, but none of us have permissions. haha
[09:07] <s-fox> we need to remove bodhi.zazen and overdrank
[09:08] <dholbach> so Bodhi stepped down? to me the mail seemed to indicate a 'vacation'?
[09:08] <s-fox> No, he stepped down.
[09:08] <s-fox> We also want to add 2 new members to the launchpad group.
[09:09] <dholbach> ok, just for completeness sake, could you please reply to the 'vacation' mail I replied to yesterday?
[09:09] <dholbach> just to make it a bit clearer what's going on
[09:09] <s-fox> mikebraniff and elfy need to be added
[09:09] <dholbach> I've been out of the loop for 2.5 weeks, so I might have missed something - but from my inbox I can't see what was decided in the matter
[09:09] <s-fox> sure, I will reply to the email.
[09:10] <dholbach> I'm not trying to be difficult, but it'd be good to know if there was some kind of election or how the restaffing took place
[09:10] <dholbach> thanks a lot
[09:16] <s-fox> dholbach,  I have emailed the community council. can you now update the list pleae?
[09:16] <s-fox> please ?
[09:17] <dholbach> s-fox, can I get back to you on this? right now I'm not 100% sure how we did restaffings on the forums council in the past
[09:18] <s-fox> it is urgent dholbach , we have a number of issues to discuss on our mailing list :/
[09:19] <dholbach> are you blocked by the LP membership in any sense?
[09:21] <s-fox> yes, the new members cannot participate in discussions on the mailiing list. our membership has people in all continents and everyone being on irc at the same time is not practical.
[09:21] <dholbach> is it a Launchpad mailing list you're using?
[09:22] <s-fox> Yes, we use the launchpad mailing list :)
[09:22] <dholbach> I'm getting confused - isn't there a forums council lists.u.c mailing list as well?
[09:23] <s-fox> Not to my knowledge. We only use ubuntu-forums-council@lists.ubuntu.com
[09:24] <s-fox> hmm,  this is odd
[09:24] <dholbach> ah yes, that's the one I meant
[09:31] <s-fox> dholbach,  i have resolved the issue myself but the launchpad group is still inaccurate / out of date.
[09:33] <dholbach> I'll follow up to the mail in a bit
[09:33] <s-fox> thanks :)
[09:34] <s-fox> oh, if you have a minute i replied to your email about the app competition just after you went on vacation.  you mentioned my AUTHORS file was missing a date.  I made the updates are resubmitted. I think both emails are still waiting for approval ;)
[09:37] <dholbach> s-fox, mentioned it in #ubuntu-arb
[09:37] <s-fox> thanks :)
[09:40] <dholbach> s-fox, I followed up on the CC mail, I'm generally +1, but as I don't know too much on the Forums situation, I asked for some more comments
[09:40] <dholbach> and now I have to dash quickly, my cousin just showed up here and I'll say hello to him :)
[09:40] <dholbach> see you in a bit
[10:00] <s-fox> see you
[13:11] <dholbach> s-fox, seems like the arb post was already moderated through
[13:11] <s-fox> Super :)
[14:29] <dholbach> hey balloons - how are you doing?
[14:30] <balloons> dholbach, just dandy
[14:30] <dholbach> balloons, do you think we should have any UDW session about jenkins and how we use it to make Ubuntu better?
[14:30] <balloons> a bit famished.. but that will be easily solved
[14:30] <balloons> dholbach, hmm.. udw might be a good place to unveil some of that stuff
[14:30] <balloons> I think whoopsie should be coverd there
[14:31] <dholbach> hey jcastro - should we have anything about juju at UDW?
[14:31] <dholbach> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek/Timetable still has some open slots
[14:36] <jcastro> dholbach_: we could do something, but I will be moving
[14:36] <jcastro> dholbach_: let me ask the guys if someone can snag a slot though
[14:36] <dholbach> jcastro, awesome
[14:36] <dholbach> let me know that we have 30m slots too, so it's not too much of a commitment if they just want to do half a slot
[14:37] <jcastro> I <3 30 min slots
[15:02] <jcastro> we have a call today?
[15:02] <jono> dpm, mhall119, jcastro, dholbach, balloons will be there in a min
[15:02] <dholbach> ok
[15:02] <jcastro> cool
[15:03] <balloons> lol
[15:03] <jono> do you guys have a hangout running?
[15:04] <jcastro> nope I was frantically just finishing something
[15:04] <jcastro> heh
[15:04] <jono> ok, let me set it up
[15:05] <jono> dpm, mhall119, jcastro, dholbach, balloons https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/c35f17b807a5e60666ddcb0b5fc81d4ac2979c28?authuser=0&hl=en-US
[15:06] <dpm> jono, joining in
[15:15] <bkerensa> =/
[15:16] <bkerensa> JoseeAntonioR: it could be worse :P
[15:16] <JoseeAntonioR> bkerensa: huh?
[15:16] <bkerensa> :P the mixup
[15:45] <bkerensa> mhall119: progress is good on the SUMO front... just hacking our branding in
[15:57] <balloons> did I lose you?
[15:57] <balloons> I think so
[16:07] <dholbach> alright my friends - it's weekend time for me - see you all later!
[16:08] <dpm> here the weekend is coming too, see you next week!
[16:12] <mhall119> bkerensa: how hard is it to change the branding?
[16:12] <mhall119> are we going ot have to keep a fork of sumo, or can we just over-ride it on the install instance?
[16:15] <bkerensa> mhall119: Well SUMO uses caching? So it could be trouble making changes after its spawned up
[16:15] <bkerensa> but Ill try it when I get the new instance up
[16:15] <bkerensa> the old one is still up but when I finish with background etc
[16:17] <mhall119> bkerensa: I mean can we keep the upstream code unmodified, and just add our theme on top, so we can easily pull in upstream changes?
[16:17] <mhall119> or is it going to be more of an actual fork
[16:17] <bkerensa> well yeah
[16:17] <bkerensa> were just talking some minor changes in css and the media folder
[16:17] <bkerensa> code will not need to be forked unless we need to enhance it
[16:17] <mhall119> that wasn't really a  yes or no question :/
[16:17] <mhall119> ok, cool
[16:18] <mhall119> and if we need to enhance it, we should be able to get the enhancements accepted upstream
[16:18] <mhall119> as long as we make it generic enough to support both
[16:21] <bkerensa> yeah
[16:22] <bkerensa> will ping you this weekend sometime or Monday
[16:22]  * bkerensa is re-targeting a bunch of fixes for quantal atm
[16:22] <bkerensa> >.<
[16:23] <mhall119> bkerensa: you're running this on precise?
[16:24] <bkerensa> ?
[16:24] <bkerensa> yes its on a hp cloud instance
[16:24] <bkerensa> :P
[16:24] <mhall119> your sumo instance, is it on precise or quantal?
[16:24] <bkerensa> fixes for quantal is for other packages
[16:25] <mhall119> would you mind doing a quick write-up of what you had to do to get it running (just things that are different from the officials docs), so I can try it myself when I have some time?
[16:25] <bkerensa> yeah
[16:25] <bkerensa> im also going to make a charm
[16:25] <bkerensa> :D
[16:25] <bkerensa> ok now bzr is making me angry
[16:25] <bkerensa> :S
[16:27] <mhall119> a charm would be fantastic, let me know if I can help with that
[16:27]  * mhall119 has a tiny bit of charming experience with django
[16:27] <bkerensa> mhall119: bzr: ERROR: These branches have diverged.  See "bzr help diverged-branches" for more information.
[16:27] <bkerensa> =/
[16:27] <bkerensa> any idea?
[16:28] <mhall119> run "bzr missing"
[16:29] <bkerensa> mhall119: shows my change long entry as an extra revision missing but I did "bzr add ." and commit
[16:29] <JoseeAntonioR> isn't it "bzr merge"?
[16:29] <bkerensa> no
[16:30] <bkerensa> merge pulls changes from main
[16:30] <mhall119> bkerensa: so you committed locally
[16:30] <bkerensa> yes
[16:30] <mhall119> and you're now trying to pull or push?
[16:30] <bkerensa> push
[16:30] <mhall119> then your push location has a revision you don't have locally
[16:30] <bkerensa> made changes... bzr add . then bzr commit -m "blah" and bzr push
[16:30] <bkerensa> >.<
[16:30] <mhall119> bzr missing only shows your one local revision?
[16:31] <bkerensa> yes
[16:31] <bkerensa> and Im pushing a new branch
[16:31] <bkerensa> =/
[16:31] <mhall119> to where?
[16:31] <bkerensa> lp:~bkerensa/ubuntu/quantal/landscape-client/fix-for=*******
[16:31] <bkerensa> fix-for-*** even
[16:31] <bkerensa> ;p
[16:31] <jono> mhall119, I presume you are going to be working on updating the spec today
[16:32] <jono> I want to see the core body of the spec expanded to include the conclusions we raised over the last week
[16:32] <mhall119> jono: yes, I had a long talk with steve yesterday about inter-dependency issues in Extras
[16:32] <mhall119> I've already added sections and work items about the archive process changes
[16:32] <jono> mhall119, to be clear, I don
[16:33] <jono> mhall119, to be clear, I don't want to just see additions to the implementation section, I want to see an overview of how it works in the body of the spec
[16:33] <jono> this needs to be more than just a list of work items
[16:33] <jono> but you see how the Proposed Solution section explains how it works, I want to see that kind of descriptive content
[16:34] <mhall119> what body?
[16:34] <jono> mhall119, lets hop on a quick G+
[16:34] <mhall119> ok
[16:34] <jono> mhall119, https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/b015ee4825580e2fe0c863ef39187a6b9205fd56?authuser=0&hl=en-US
[17:03] <mhall119> brb, lunch
[19:14] <jono> any precise users?
[19:14] <jono> if so:
[19:14] <jono>  can you run 'bzr branch lp:~jonobacon/+junk/gtkissue' and then 'cd gtkissue' and run 'quickly run', now resize the window so it looks like http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7270/7754450438_156304508d_b.jpg (four items wide and a deep window) - is there the same spacing issue on your system?
[19:19] <jono> mhall119, https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/2ca96645ea89746ebccc95d78e1fd334d1e8d858?authuser=0&hl=en-US
[20:14] <MrChrisDruif> Sorry jono, I've moved to Fedora..>_< (look of shame?)
[20:15] <balloons> MrChrisDruif, lol?
[20:15] <balloons> like the dog in the background of the image he attached :-)
[20:16] <MrChrisDruif> balloons; just a bit? I've seriously moved to Fedora because it comes with GNOME Shell in a format that is enjoyable. Unity doesn't appeal me much...
[20:17] <balloons> ahh. Is Fedora keeping gnome-shell for next cycle btw?
[20:20] <mhall119> MrChrisDruif: is Fedora's Gnome-Shell experience significantly different from our Gnome-Shell experience?
[20:20] <mhall119> other than it being the default I mean
[20:20] <MrChrisDruif> Well, when running the dev version 12.10 it tried to remove gnome-shell constantly. And they didn't break any keyboard shortcuts =)
[20:20] <mhall119> I thought we had fixed the problems we had back in the 11.04 days
[20:21] <mhall119> ah well, development pre-beta, you can't complain too much about that
[20:21] <mhall119> heck, when I was testing the 12.04 alphas, they tried to remove Unity contantly ;)
[20:22] <MrChrisDruif> So...they improved on that did they? ;-)
[20:22] <mhall119> I dunno, I haven't upgraded to 12.10 yet
[20:23] <MrChrisDruif> And there was something...can't remember exactly thou
[20:23] <MrChrisDruif> Oh, I also couldn't install lilypond ^_^
[20:23] <mhall119> what's lilypond?
[20:23] <MrChrisDruif> Just some minor dependency problem
[20:24] <MrChrisDruif> It's a music annotation bit of software
[20:24] <mhall119> MrChrisDruif: is that also in the development release?
[20:24] <MrChrisDruif> Last time I checked yeah
[20:25] <mhall119> I mean are you problems in the development release
[20:25] <mhall119> dependency issues aren't uncommon in dev releases
[20:25] <MrChrisDruif> Mainly, haven't checked how things are in 12.04
[20:25] <mhall119> but shouldn't exist in the stable release
[20:26] <MrChrisDruif> Lilypond was installable in 12.04 for as much as I can remember.
[20:28] <MrChrisDruif> But like I said, Unity doesn't do it for me. I prefer gnome-shell and I seem to be the only one in the ubuntu sphere ^_^ it's just easier for me to use Fedora then to use the mini or server iso to only install gnome-shell
[20:28] <mhall119> MrChrisDruif: I hope you at least filed bugs for these problems before you switched, so we can make it better
[20:28] <mhall119> lots of Ubuntu folks use Gnome Shell
[20:28] <mhall119> which is why I was asking if our version was all that different from Fedora's
[20:28] <MrChrisDruif> I can't remember if I filed a bug for lilypond in 12.10
[20:30] <MrChrisDruif> I do remember filing an other bug, but it got squashed
[20:33] <MrChrisDruif> I just remembered why lilypond wouldn't install (sometimes I love my memory); it couldn't install because it depended on lilypond-data of a specific version, but lilypond-data was already bumped up to the next version
[20:35] <MrChrisDruif> But checking the lilypond and lilypond packages.ubuntu.com pages I think it should be installable again
[20:35] <MrChrisDruif> -data*
[20:35] <MrChrisDruif> mhall119; ^
[20:36] <mhall119> MrChrisDruif: ah, ok
[20:36]  * mhall119 now remembers looking into lilypond years ago
[20:37] <MrChrisDruif> =)
[20:39] <balloons> yes, probably an archive timing issue with the dev verson
[20:39] <balloons> but I'll echo mhall119 on what's different? ;-)
[20:41] <balloons> I'm just curious :-)
[20:41] <MrChrisDruif> balloons; ?
[20:41] <balloons> ohh.. what's different n gnome-shell on ubuntu over fedora
[20:49] <MrChrisDruif> Keyboard shortcuts are broken. Not all but a few
[20:50] <MrChrisDruif> Oh and in 12.10 is the "new and improved" nautilus...which removed one of my favorite functions split pane view
[20:50] <MrChrisDruif> I hope either nemo or marlin will prove to be a suitable replacement when the time cometh
[20:52] <mhall119> MrChrisDruif: Fedora's likely to get the new Nautilus too
[20:52] <MrChrisDruif> That's why I said my previous sentence mhall119 ^_^
[20:53] <mhall119> I wonder if the keyboard shortcut problem is both compiz/unity and gnomeshell/mutter using the same settings keys
[20:53] <cjohnston> thats a pretty big list of sites that are going down
[20:54] <MrChrisDruif> cj?
[20:54] <cjohnston> MCD?
[20:54] <cjohnston> I assume you didn't get the email?
[20:54] <mhall119> what sites are you talking about?
[20:55] <cjohnston> you didnt get it either?
[20:55] <mhall119> oh, that email, yeah
[20:55] <mhall119> I got it
[20:55] <cjohnston> those sites
[20:55] <mhall119> if they lose all the wiki work I've been doing all week, I'm going to swim across the atlantic to bust some heads
[20:55] <MrChrisDruif> From jcastro you mean?
[20:56] <balloons> hehe
[20:56] <cjohnston> I got it from Chris Jones, but yes
[20:56] <MrChrisDruif> He forwarded it to ubuntu-news mailing-list
[20:56] <mhall119> MrChrisDruif: Canonical is moving data centers, so there's going to be downtime for a bunch of websites while they move them
[20:56] <cjohnston> ya.. i got it there too
[20:57] <mhall119> cjohnston: summit is missing from the list though
[20:57] <cjohnston> no it isn't ;-)
[20:57] <cjohnston> owell, I Can hope it isnt
[20:57] <mhall119> hope all you want
[20:57] <cjohnston> heh
[20:58] <MrChrisDruif> Why during the weekend? Isn't that the time most volunteers have time to work on this kind of stuff? ;-)
[20:58] <cjohnston> because the employees that will be working on it wont be working their normal hours and normal jobs
[20:59] <mhall119> probably lower traffic during the weekend
[20:59] <mhall119> I'm sure IS didn't volunteer to work over the weekend for no reason
[21:00] <MrChrisDruif> =)
[21:01] <jcastro> traffic for everything dips a ton during the weekend
[21:07] <jcastro> looks like launcpad isn't affected though
[21:07] <jcastro> nor the archive
[21:11] <pleia2> fridge isn't on that list, so I'm x-posting over there (thanks jcastro for forwarding it :))
[21:11] <jcastro> O_O
[21:11] <jcastro> I thought it was?
[21:11] <jcastro> I thought ubuntu-news encompassed all the resources including fridge
[21:12] <bkerensa> I wonder when they are going to do the mailing list upgrades :D
[21:12] <pleia2> jcastro: sorry, I meant it wasn't on the list of sites which will be down
[21:12] <jcastro> oh
[21:12] <jcastro> whew!
[21:48] <cjohnston> mhall119: fragaria may not have to move!