[06:18] jono: When are you going to visit imbrandon and go on a vacation in KC? [06:18] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kansas_City-style_barbecue [06:18] :D [06:21] bkerensa, I would love to check out some KC BBQ [06:21] my 22" Weber arrives tomorrow :-) [06:21] very excited! [06:22] i got something better than kc bbq tho .... https://fiber.google.com/about/ [06:22] :) [06:22] btw wth yall doing up this late :) lol [06:23] Its only 11 on the west here :) [06:23] ahh [06:23] i always forget that [06:23] that is late, if I slept decent hours. [06:24] heh [06:24] better than the 130 here [06:25] that said , i think i'm off to sleep, gnight all [06:25] imbrandon, not sure if it is better [06:26] BBQ is pretty awesome :-) [06:26] hahah :) [06:26] Few things beat a late night BBQ. [06:26] get some kc masterpiece for your next grillout [06:26] its probably the most authentic and made here [06:26] and rocks [06:27] gotta like kc style tho, not texas style, semi-sweet browsugar bbq :) [06:29] http://www.kcmasterpiece.com/bbq_hbrwnsugar/ [06:39] Im not much of a fan of BBQ [06:40] Its good... but nothing beats Sushi or maybe some Popeyes [06:40] :) [06:40] But if I were in KC and had to eat BBQ then Arthur Bryants is where I would eat [06:41] bkerensa, do you go to kc often or just enjoy using Yelp? :) [06:42] * philballew runs and hides [06:42] philballew: I have been there twice [06:42] nice, its on my cities to go to! [06:43] just a quick trip through each time but I hear Bryants is the best [06:43] Iowa is a good state [06:43] :D [06:43] KC imho pretty industrial [06:43] * JoseeAntonioR insists you should come here and eat what bkerensa loves [06:46] Ceviche? [06:46] I just wanna go as I have friends there and my a sister college is just outside in Olathe. [06:46] bkerensa: yeah, Ceviche de Camaron, but not with tostada ;) [06:47] *my sister [06:48] JoseeAntonioR: Or perhaps some Pollo con Papas? [06:49] bkerensa: Pollo a la Brasa con Papas ;) that's even better [06:50] In Mason City, Iowa they have this place called Taco Johns [06:50] I think it might be a midwestern chain kind of like Taco Bell [06:51] I know Carls Jr is called Hardees in the Midwest [06:56] Taco johns is like Papa John's bkerensa ? [06:57] uhh not so much [06:57] they sells Tacos and Churos [06:57] and Frosties [06:57] :D [06:58] well for sure, just wondered as many companies have smaller companies that all use different names to hid the fact its all large corporations running food in America. [06:58] *hide [07:25] good morning [07:25] morning dholbach [07:25] hey elfy [08:49] Anyone from the community council around? [08:59] yes [08:59] s-fox: ^ [09:06] hey dholbach :) [09:06] hey :) [09:06] dholbach, can you adjust a setting on launchpad for the forums council please? [09:06] https://launchpad.net/~forum-council [09:06] which one? [09:06] we want to update our members, but none of us have permissions. haha [09:07] we need to remove bodhi.zazen and overdrank [09:08] so Bodhi stepped down? to me the mail seemed to indicate a 'vacation'? [09:08] No, he stepped down. [09:08] We also want to add 2 new members to the launchpad group. [09:09] ok, just for completeness sake, could you please reply to the 'vacation' mail I replied to yesterday? [09:09] just to make it a bit clearer what's going on [09:09] mikebraniff and elfy need to be added [09:09] I've been out of the loop for 2.5 weeks, so I might have missed something - but from my inbox I can't see what was decided in the matter [09:09] sure, I will reply to the email. [09:10] I'm not trying to be difficult, but it'd be good to know if there was some kind of election or how the restaffing took place [09:10] thanks a lot [09:16] dholbach, I have emailed the community council. can you now update the list pleae? [09:16] please ? [09:17] s-fox, can I get back to you on this? right now I'm not 100% sure how we did restaffings on the forums council in the past [09:18] it is urgent dholbach , we have a number of issues to discuss on our mailing list :/ [09:19] are you blocked by the LP membership in any sense? [09:21] yes, the new members cannot participate in discussions on the mailiing list. our membership has people in all continents and everyone being on irc at the same time is not practical. [09:21] is it a Launchpad mailing list you're using? [09:22] Yes, we use the launchpad mailing list :) [09:22] I'm getting confused - isn't there a forums council lists.u.c mailing list as well? [09:23] Not to my knowledge. We only use ubuntu-forums-council@lists.ubuntu.com [09:24] hmm, this is odd [09:24] ah yes, that's the one I meant [09:31] dholbach, i have resolved the issue myself but the launchpad group is still inaccurate / out of date. [09:33] I'll follow up to the mail in a bit [09:33] thanks :) [09:34] oh, if you have a minute i replied to your email about the app competition just after you went on vacation. you mentioned my AUTHORS file was missing a date. I made the updates are resubmitted. I think both emails are still waiting for approval ;) [09:37] s-fox, mentioned it in #ubuntu-arb [09:37] thanks :) [09:40] s-fox, I followed up on the CC mail, I'm generally +1, but as I don't know too much on the Forums situation, I asked for some more comments [09:40] and now I have to dash quickly, my cousin just showed up here and I'll say hello to him :) [09:40] see you in a bit [10:00] see you [13:11] s-fox, seems like the arb post was already moderated through [13:11] Super :) [14:29] hey balloons - how are you doing? [14:30] dholbach, just dandy [14:30] balloons, do you think we should have any UDW session about jenkins and how we use it to make Ubuntu better? [14:30] a bit famished.. but that will be easily solved [14:30] dholbach, hmm.. udw might be a good place to unveil some of that stuff [14:30] I think whoopsie should be coverd there [14:31] hey jcastro - should we have anything about juju at UDW? [14:31] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek/Timetable still has some open slots [14:36] dholbach_: we could do something, but I will be moving === dholbach_ is now known as dholbach [14:36] dholbach_: let me ask the guys if someone can snag a slot though [14:36] jcastro, awesome [14:36] let me know that we have 30m slots too, so it's not too much of a commitment if they just want to do half a slot [14:37] I <3 30 min slots [15:02] we have a call today? [15:02] dpm, mhall119, jcastro, dholbach, balloons will be there in a min [15:02] ok [15:02] cool [15:03] lol [15:03] do you guys have a hangout running? [15:04] nope I was frantically just finishing something [15:04] heh [15:04] ok, let me set it up [15:05] dpm, mhall119, jcastro, dholbach, balloons https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/c35f17b807a5e60666ddcb0b5fc81d4ac2979c28?authuser=0&hl=en-US [15:06] jono, joining in [15:15] =/ [15:16] JoseeAntonioR: it could be worse :P [15:16] bkerensa: huh? [15:16] :P the mixup [15:45] mhall119: progress is good on the SUMO front... just hacking our branding in [15:57] did I lose you? [15:57] I think so [16:07] alright my friends - it's weekend time for me - see you all later! [16:08] here the weekend is coming too, see you next week! [16:12] bkerensa: how hard is it to change the branding? [16:12] are we going ot have to keep a fork of sumo, or can we just over-ride it on the install instance? [16:15] mhall119: Well SUMO uses caching? So it could be trouble making changes after its spawned up [16:15] but Ill try it when I get the new instance up [16:15] the old one is still up but when I finish with background etc [16:17] bkerensa: I mean can we keep the upstream code unmodified, and just add our theme on top, so we can easily pull in upstream changes? [16:17] or is it going to be more of an actual fork [16:17] well yeah [16:17] were just talking some minor changes in css and the media folder [16:17] code will not need to be forked unless we need to enhance it [16:17] that wasn't really a yes or no question :/ [16:17] ok, cool [16:18] and if we need to enhance it, we should be able to get the enhancements accepted upstream [16:18] as long as we make it generic enough to support both [16:21] yeah [16:22] will ping you this weekend sometime or Monday [16:22] * bkerensa is re-targeting a bunch of fixes for quantal atm [16:22] >.< [16:23] bkerensa: you're running this on precise? [16:24] ? [16:24] yes its on a hp cloud instance [16:24] :P [16:24] your sumo instance, is it on precise or quantal? [16:24] fixes for quantal is for other packages [16:25] would you mind doing a quick write-up of what you had to do to get it running (just things that are different from the officials docs), so I can try it myself when I have some time? [16:25] yeah [16:25] im also going to make a charm [16:25] :D [16:25] ok now bzr is making me angry [16:25] :S [16:27] a charm would be fantastic, let me know if I can help with that [16:27] * mhall119 has a tiny bit of charming experience with django [16:27] mhall119: bzr: ERROR: These branches have diverged. See "bzr help diverged-branches" for more information. [16:27] =/ [16:27] any idea? [16:28] run "bzr missing" [16:29] mhall119: shows my change long entry as an extra revision missing but I did "bzr add ." and commit [16:29] isn't it "bzr merge"? [16:29] no [16:30] merge pulls changes from main [16:30] bkerensa: so you committed locally [16:30] yes [16:30] and you're now trying to pull or push? [16:30] push [16:30] then your push location has a revision you don't have locally [16:30] made changes... bzr add . then bzr commit -m "blah" and bzr push [16:30] >.< [16:30] bzr missing only shows your one local revision? [16:31] yes [16:31] and Im pushing a new branch [16:31] =/ [16:31] to where? [16:31] lp:~bkerensa/ubuntu/quantal/landscape-client/fix-for=******* [16:31] fix-for-*** even [16:31] ;p [16:31] mhall119, I presume you are going to be working on updating the spec today [16:32] I want to see the core body of the spec expanded to include the conclusions we raised over the last week [16:32] jono: yes, I had a long talk with steve yesterday about inter-dependency issues in Extras [16:32] I've already added sections and work items about the archive process changes [16:32] mhall119, to be clear, I don [16:33] mhall119, to be clear, I don't want to just see additions to the implementation section, I want to see an overview of how it works in the body of the spec [16:33] this needs to be more than just a list of work items [16:33] but you see how the Proposed Solution section explains how it works, I want to see that kind of descriptive content [16:34] what body? [16:34] mhall119, lets hop on a quick G+ [16:34] ok [16:34] mhall119, https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/b015ee4825580e2fe0c863ef39187a6b9205fd56?authuser=0&hl=en-US [17:03] brb, lunch [19:14] any precise users? [19:14] if so: [19:14] can you run 'bzr branch lp:~jonobacon/+junk/gtkissue' and then 'cd gtkissue' and run 'quickly run', now resize the window so it looks like http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7270/7754450438_156304508d_b.jpg (four items wide and a deep window) - is there the same spacing issue on your system? [19:19] mhall119, https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/2ca96645ea89746ebccc95d78e1fd334d1e8d858?authuser=0&hl=en-US [20:14] Sorry jono, I've moved to Fedora..>_< (look of shame?) [20:15] MrChrisDruif, lol? [20:15] like the dog in the background of the image he attached :-) [20:16] balloons; just a bit? I've seriously moved to Fedora because it comes with GNOME Shell in a format that is enjoyable. Unity doesn't appeal me much... [20:17] ahh. Is Fedora keeping gnome-shell for next cycle btw? [20:20] MrChrisDruif: is Fedora's Gnome-Shell experience significantly different from our Gnome-Shell experience? [20:20] other than it being the default I mean [20:20] Well, when running the dev version 12.10 it tried to remove gnome-shell constantly. And they didn't break any keyboard shortcuts =) [20:20] I thought we had fixed the problems we had back in the 11.04 days [20:21] ah well, development pre-beta, you can't complain too much about that [20:21] heck, when I was testing the 12.04 alphas, they tried to remove Unity contantly ;) [20:22] So...they improved on that did they? ;-) [20:22] I dunno, I haven't upgraded to 12.10 yet [20:23] And there was something...can't remember exactly thou [20:23] Oh, I also couldn't install lilypond ^_^ [20:23] what's lilypond? [20:23] Just some minor dependency problem [20:24] It's a music annotation bit of software [20:24] MrChrisDruif: is that also in the development release? [20:24] Last time I checked yeah [20:25] I mean are you problems in the development release [20:25] dependency issues aren't uncommon in dev releases [20:25] Mainly, haven't checked how things are in 12.04 [20:25] but shouldn't exist in the stable release [20:26] Lilypond was installable in 12.04 for as much as I can remember. [20:28] But like I said, Unity doesn't do it for me. I prefer gnome-shell and I seem to be the only one in the ubuntu sphere ^_^ it's just easier for me to use Fedora then to use the mini or server iso to only install gnome-shell [20:28] MrChrisDruif: I hope you at least filed bugs for these problems before you switched, so we can make it better [20:28] lots of Ubuntu folks use Gnome Shell [20:28] which is why I was asking if our version was all that different from Fedora's [20:28] I can't remember if I filed a bug for lilypond in 12.10 [20:30] I do remember filing an other bug, but it got squashed [20:33] I just remembered why lilypond wouldn't install (sometimes I love my memory); it couldn't install because it depended on lilypond-data of a specific version, but lilypond-data was already bumped up to the next version [20:35] But checking the lilypond and lilypond packages.ubuntu.com pages I think it should be installable again [20:35] -data* [20:35] mhall119; ^ [20:36] MrChrisDruif: ah, ok [20:36] * mhall119 now remembers looking into lilypond years ago [20:37] =) [20:39] yes, probably an archive timing issue with the dev verson [20:39] but I'll echo mhall119 on what's different? ;-) [20:41] I'm just curious :-) [20:41] balloons; ? [20:41] ohh.. what's different n gnome-shell on ubuntu over fedora [20:49] Keyboard shortcuts are broken. Not all but a few [20:50] Oh and in 12.10 is the "new and improved" nautilus...which removed one of my favorite functions split pane view [20:50] I hope either nemo or marlin will prove to be a suitable replacement when the time cometh [20:52] MrChrisDruif: Fedora's likely to get the new Nautilus too [20:52] That's why I said my previous sentence mhall119 ^_^ [20:53] I wonder if the keyboard shortcut problem is both compiz/unity and gnomeshell/mutter using the same settings keys [20:53] thats a pretty big list of sites that are going down [20:54] cj? [20:54] MCD? [20:54] I assume you didn't get the email? [20:54] what sites are you talking about? [20:55] you didnt get it either? [20:55] oh, that email, yeah [20:55] I got it [20:55] those sites [20:55] if they lose all the wiki work I've been doing all week, I'm going to swim across the atlantic to bust some heads [20:55] From jcastro you mean? [20:56] hehe [20:56] I got it from Chris Jones, but yes [20:56] He forwarded it to ubuntu-news mailing-list [20:56] MrChrisDruif: Canonical is moving data centers, so there's going to be downtime for a bunch of websites while they move them [20:56] ya.. i got it there too [20:57] cjohnston: summit is missing from the list though [20:57] no it isn't ;-) [20:57] owell, I Can hope it isnt [20:57] hope all you want [20:57] heh [20:58] Why during the weekend? Isn't that the time most volunteers have time to work on this kind of stuff? ;-) [20:58] because the employees that will be working on it wont be working their normal hours and normal jobs [20:59] probably lower traffic during the weekend [20:59] I'm sure IS didn't volunteer to work over the weekend for no reason [21:00] =) [21:01] traffic for everything dips a ton during the weekend [21:07] looks like launcpad isn't affected though [21:07] nor the archive [21:11] fridge isn't on that list, so I'm x-posting over there (thanks jcastro for forwarding it :)) [21:11] O_O [21:11] I thought it was? [21:11] I thought ubuntu-news encompassed all the resources including fridge [21:12] I wonder when they are going to do the mailing list upgrades :D [21:12] jcastro: sorry, I meant it wasn't on the list of sites which will be down [21:12] oh [21:12] whew! === JanC_ is now known as JanC [21:48] mhall119: fragaria may not have to move!