[05:23] <blkperl> Hi guys, I'm trying to get Precise working with nfs mounted homedirs and on login dconf-service hangs, the open file is $USER/.config/dconf/user and when you try to ls it hangs as well.
[05:33] <didrocks> good morning
[05:34] <smspillaz> morning didrocks :)
[05:34] <didrocks> hey smspillaz!
[05:34] <cyphermox> hey didrocks!
[05:35] <didrocks> good evening cyphermox, how are you?
[05:35] <cyphermox> not bad
[05:37] <BigWhale> Morning.
[05:45]  * TheMuso managed to lock up his panda board twice within 20 mins or so just by trying to play music from a USB disk and the network, as well as use nautilus. :)
[05:45] <TheMuso> This is quantal I speak of.
[07:35] <MCR1> smspillaz: Hi :) Are you here ?
[07:41] <MCR1> smspillaz: I want to help fixing hardcoded Unity shortcuts and converting those to Compiz ones, controlled by the Unity plug-in. I'll probably need an example how to best do it - so I won't break all kinds of stuff. I had no time yet to dig into the code deeply, but I guess by analyzing those Unity-specific shortcuts, which are already controlled by Compiz, I should be able to convert the others the same way - Any tips ?
[07:57] <MCR1> smspillaz: Also I've been warned by didrocks, that feature freeze is near and so I already nerved duflu about the merges for the most important additional plug-ins, I would be very happy to somehow get those in before the freeze as well...
[08:02] <MCR1> smspillaz: Simple-Animations have already been fixed, also the Wizard. Extra-Animations and Animations-Experimental still need fixes to work, Screensaver (rotating cube/flying windows) is also working quite nicely, although the flying windows still have minor troubles (could be de-activated until fixed) and Free Windows are awesome, but still have the potential to kill Compiz, but I am sure it is a minor issue that can be fixed as well...
[08:04] <seb128> hey desktopers
[08:04] <mlankhorst> heya
[08:04] <MCR1> smspillaz: All of the above (except anim-exp and extra-anim) ^^ are running here on Quantal with the latest Compiz and I am sure others would enjoy to have those also.
[08:04] <MCR1> seb128: Hey
[08:05] <didrocks> bonjour seb128, ça va?
[08:05] <didrocks> hey mlankhorst
[08:05] <seb128> hey didrocks, MCR1, mlankhorst, how are you?
[08:05] <seb128> didrocks, ca va bien!
[08:05] <didrocks> seb128: I'm good, thanks!
[08:09] <MCR1> didrocks: Another one of my revolutionary/nerving ideas ;) was to replace the default gtk window decorator with the great Emerald, but I guess there is no chance to do that inside the time frame of the next 2 weeks, but maybe for 13.04 ?
[08:10] <didrocks> MCR1: not in ubuntu anyway
[08:10] <didrocks> MCR1: emerald code is not maintained anymore
[08:10] <mlankhorst> seb128: writing :>
[08:11] <didrocks> and we have specific feature in gtk-w-d for unity
[08:15] <MCR1> seb128: I am stressed because of the feature freeze ;)
[08:16] <mvo> seb128: hi, could you please comment on https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1035207 if you have time? if that is something you guys are ok with?
[08:16] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 1035207 in aptdaemon "passwordless install of certain apps" [Undecided,New]
[08:16] <seb128> mvo, hey, alter! long time, how are you?
[08:16] <seb128> mvo, looking
[08:17] <seb128> mvo, the principle works for me, maybe check with the security team as well?
[08:17] <MCR1> didrocks: Emerald my not be maintained anymore, still the old code is far superior to any other win decorator and I am still using it because of that...
[08:17] <MCR1> *may not be
[08:17] <mvo> seb128: yeah, sounds good, pitti is probably also a good source of input (is he on vac?)
[08:17] <seb128> mvo, he's on vac still for a full week
[08:18] <seb128> mvo, byclicing around the bodensee and the rivers in that area
[08:18] <mvo> nice
[08:20] <smspillaz> MCR1: we can merge new plugins after feature freeze
[08:20] <smspillaz> MCR1: as they are not shipped by default anyways
[08:20] <seb128> no you can't
[08:20] <seb128> or you will not be able to get that version uploaded to Ubuntu
[08:20] <seb128> they are part of the tarballs you roll though?
[08:20] <smspillaz> seb128: they are not even installed by anything
[08:21] <smspillaz> seb128: yes, they are part of the tarballs though
[08:21] <seb128> are they built? or optional?
[08:21] <smspillaz> optional
[08:21] <seb128> like if they have a build issue, would that be an issue building compiz?
[08:21] <MCR1> smspillaz: Oh, that is VERY GOOD news. seb128: in the plugins-extra package.
[08:21] <seb128> I really think we should drop all the plugins that we don't use
[08:21] <smspillaz> seb128: we can disable building them by default but still hvae them in-tree
[08:21] <smspillaz> seb128: some people would differ
[08:22] <smspillaz> seb128: its not a problem really
[08:22] <seb128> it is a problem, it cost a lot of energy and lost of focus
[08:22] <smspillaz> seb128: no it doesn't
[08:22] <smspillaz> seb128: if something doesn't built I just disable it and let other people handle it :)
[08:23] <MCR1> seb128: Ofc they WILL all build without problems BEFORE getting merged
[08:23] <seb128> well, when you do refactoring, who does fix all those random plugins?
[08:23] <smspillaz> seb128: nobody, we just disable them until someone who is interested in maintaining them comes along and maintains them
[08:23] <smspillaz> seb128: see gles2
[08:25] <MCR1> seb128: smspillaz probably means me ;)
[08:25] <smspillaz>  / anybody else who would be interested in maintaining them realy
[08:25] <smspillaz> I don't have any issue keeping them in tree for people who want them
[08:26] <smspillaz> someone just has to maintain it thats all
[08:26] <seb128> I've issue distributing code in main that is buggy or not well supported
[08:26] <seb128> even if it's not built
[08:26] <smspillaz> MCR1: seb128: I was however thinking of making a merge for lp:compiz that only makes a certain set of plugins build by default
[08:26] <seb128> but I guess that's not a disagreement we will change our mind on today
[08:26] <smspillaz> seb128: it won't even be in main, that's the point
[08:26] <seb128> so let's not spend an hour arguing ;-)
[08:27] <smspillaz> seb128: debian/compiz-plugins.install will not install them :)
[08:27] <seb128> the tarball, source is still in main
[08:27] <seb128> even if we don't build those part of the code
[08:27] <smspillaz> hmmm
[08:27] <smspillaz> surely that doesn't matter though if dpkg-buildpackge won't even touch that bit of code
[08:27] <smspillaz> b2b
[08:27] <smspillaz> g2g
[08:27] <smspillaz> rather
[08:28] <seb128> ttyl
[08:31] <MCR1> smspillaz: c ya
[08:32] <smspillaz> seb128: just before I go, the thing is that I'd like to avoid moving back to a multiple source model
[08:32] <smspillaz> it was such a pain back then :(
[08:32] <seb128> smspillaz, right, we should just drop for good all those crazy stuff
[08:32] <seb128> we need a solid and efficient wm
[08:32] <smspillaz> seb128: except that people want to use it
[08:32] <seb128> not a toy factory
[08:33] <smspillaz> sure, that's what we're focusing on building
[08:33] <seb128> I guess at this point I would favor for them or us to fork then and assume having different goals
[08:33] <seb128> like we can claim compiz and do that, and those who want to crack can start a compiz-crack project
[08:33] <smspillaz> seb128: I don't think a fork is necessary. its a plugin based wm
[08:33] <seb128> or the other way around
[08:33] <seb128> well, I would say just drop all the stuff we don't use
[08:34] <smspillaz> seb128: I still don't see whats wrong with having stuff in tree that we specifically don't maintain and is not built by default
[08:34] <seb128> and let somebody on the internet maintain them in a separate source if they want
[08:34] <smspillaz> seb128: no, the whole point was to avoid multiple sources
[08:34] <MCR1> seb128: Everyone agrees on having only solid stuff merged, noone likes to see any crashes with Compiz
[08:34] <seb128> you and duflu spend time reviewing those and merging those
[08:34] <seb128> and reviewing and merging the fixes
[08:34] <seb128> which is a waste of your time imho
[08:34] <smspillaz> seb128: once MCR1 is happy to maintain that part, he can do the reviews
[08:34] <smspillaz> MCR1/anybody else
[08:35] <seb128> until the day he stops carying
[08:35] <seb128> and we get old code sitting there
[08:35] <smspillaz> and then we drop them again :)
[08:35] <MCR1> :)
[08:35] <seb128> well, I think it would less of an assle to let somebody do that somewhere on the internet
[08:35] <smspillaz> seb128: why not in the source tree though ?
[08:35] <smspillaz> we don't have to have any involvement
[08:36] <seb128> don't roll it in the tarballs and I would be fine
[08:36] <seb128> and don't make it that the acl to access that part is the same than to access the core
[08:36] <seb128> atm if you give somebody access to those you give them access to the whole compiz
[08:36] <smspillaz> seb128: the people who maintain that part aren't eveil -.-
[08:36] <seb128> which is crazy
[08:36] <smspillaz> seb128: so ?>
[08:36] <smspillaz> its a trust system
[08:36] <seb128> no, but they might be junior
[08:37] <smspillaz> if we don't like it what they are doing, revert it
[08:37] <smspillaz> its not that hard
[08:37] <seb128> if you notice it and watch every single commit
[08:37] <smspillaz> seb128: which we do
[08:37] <seb128> it's just extra work and potential issues
[08:37] <seb128> which is one of my issue
[08:37] <smspillaz> and it takes up what
[08:37] <smspillaz> 5 minutes of my day ?
[08:37] <smspillaz> less ?
[08:37] <seb128> you "waste" time watching stuff that you shouldn't have to care about
[08:38] <seb128> I would argue seeing some of duflu's review and testing that he waste a lot more than 5 min a day
[08:38] <smspillaz> if we split the source I have to care about rebuilding that stuff every single time I break an API
[08:38] <seb128> I would not split the source, I would just kill those
[08:38] <smspillaz> otherwise I will get yelled at by those people
[08:38] <seb128> drop them from the internet
[08:38] <smspillaz> seb128: except that there is demand from them
[08:38] <smspillaz> so no
[08:38] <seb128> let them yell, haters are haters
[08:38] <smspillaz> seb128: they aren't haters
[08:38] <seb128> there is demand for anything you can imagine in the world
[08:38] <MCR1> I am no hater
[08:38] <MCR1> :)
[08:38] <smspillaz> they're people who wish for certain things to be availalbe
[08:38] <seb128> that doesn't mean you need to address all the demandes
[08:39] <smspillaz> seb128: you have totally mischaracterized this whole thing
[08:39] <smspillaz> seb128: we're NOT
[08:39] <smspillaz> that's the point
[08:39] <seb128> well I see the crack options going in
[08:39] <smspillaz> seb128: and ubuntu never sees any of it
[08:39] <seb128> like srly, who needs rain on his screen from the wm
[08:39] <smspillaz> seb128: what's the problem
[08:39] <smspillaz> seb128: I don't care what you think
[08:39] <smspillaz> seb128: if people want that and if people are willing to maintain it, let them
[08:39] <seb128> the problem is that duflu spends hour testing and reviewing those stuff and that delays stuff like gles to land
[08:39] <smspillaz> seb128: then he shouldn't be!
[08:40] <seb128> well, he shouldn't but he does
[08:40] <seb128> because he considers that if stuff are in trunk they should work
[08:40] <smspillaz> seb128: okay, then you need to take that issue with him
[08:40] <seb128> and I can see his point
[08:40] <smspillaz> seb128: and if they are not built by default, we /dont/ /care/
[08:40] <seb128> I don't like much the "let broken stuff in there mixed with working stuff"
[08:40] <smspillaz> seb128: which never sees ubuntu anways
[08:40] <seb128> let's agree to disagree as I said earlier
[08:40] <smspillaz> sure
[09:04] <MCR1> seb128: I am no hater, btw. :) I am helping to improve Ubuntu (for free), not just steal time of developers. 11 of my branches (since I started in June) have already been approved/merged and 8 of those have been bugfixes/optimizations for Ubuntu...
[09:04] <seb128> MCR1, I was not picking up on you, sorry if that's the impression you got
[09:05] <seb128> MCR1, but any plugin added is a move in the wrong direction imho
[09:05] <seb128> we should aim at shrink the number of those and the codebase
[09:05] <seb128> to have something focussed and easy to maintain
[09:05] <MCR1> seb128: And yes, I am new to Ubuntu development, and I sometimes have to ask questions on how to best do stuff, but I never ask a question I got the answer for twice...
[09:06] <seb128> MCR1, again, it's not again you
[09:06] <seb128> it's just against adding new plugins
[09:06] <seb128> we need something which doesn't have focus issues
[09:06] <seb128> which doesn't segfault
[09:06] <seb128> and which is not slow
[09:06] <seb128> we don't need something which rains on your screen ;-)
[09:07] <chrisccoulson> mutter? ;)
[09:07]  * chrisccoulson runs
[09:07] <seb128> lol
[09:07] <seb128> chrisccoulson, hey, how are you?
[09:07] <seb128> Laney, hey, there? are you on the ubuntu-release list?
[09:07] <Laney> yep
[09:07] <chrisccoulson> seb128, yeah, not too bad thanks. how are you?
[09:07] <seb128> Laney, do you still have https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-August/001689.html
[09:07] <seb128> Laney, can you bounce it to mvo if you do?
[09:07] <seb128> chrisccoulson, I'm good thanks
[09:08] <seb128> chrisccoulson, can has bounce in btw?
[09:08] <seb128> doh
[09:08] <seb128> in tb
[09:08] <Laney> seb128: yeah, should do, sure
[09:08] <seb128> those autofingers :p
[09:09] <Laney> mvo: there you go
[09:12] <mvo> Laney: thanks a bunch
[09:12] <mvo> Laney: mutt ftw!
[09:12] <MCR1> seb128: How about the merged workspacenames featured already here: http://www.iloveubuntu.net/compiz-098-landed-ubuntu-1210-workspace-naming-and-numerous-fixes - I would say this is useful, fast, does not segfault (and does not rain on the screen) ?
[09:14] <Laney> enterprise features ;-)
[09:14] <seb128> MCR1, I would say that 99% of the users don't know about ccsm and shouldn't even get close from it since it's the best way to break your desktop ;-)
[09:15] <mvo> hm, mail is not here yet, but maybe my provider its just a bit slow today
[09:15] <seb128> mvo, check spam filters?
[09:15] <Laney> sent it to mvo@u.c
[09:16] <MCR1> seb128: What I want to say is that we all agree that main priority is that everything is fast and 100% stable - and yes CCSM needs more work - the user should not be able to crash Compiz with it, no matter what is clicked on there...
[09:16] <Laney> Aug 10 10:09:25 cripps postfix/smtp[1437]: 3376D2063A: to=<mvo@ubuntu.com>, relay=mx.canonical.com[91.189.94.145]:25, delay=0.09, delays=0.01/0.05/0.02/0.01, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (250 2.0.0 Ok: queued as 47EEAA186A3)
[09:17] <seb128> MCR1, us liking it or not extra plugins, options and flexibility are a resource drain and takes energy away from reaching those important goals
[09:18] <MCR1> seb128: Not if you have volunteers who do that for free and help with other fixes (for free)
[09:19] <seb128> speaking of which
[09:19] <seb128> just hit ctrl-R on IRC (reconnects) because compiz didn't focus my comment line when I opened it
[09:19] <seb128> it's 2012 and we still don't have working focus handling :-(
[09:21] <MCR1> seb128: This bug is afaik known, but currently all attention goes into the GLES port - I also would wish we fix all the desktop issues before opening a new focus
[09:21] <seb128> MCR1, speaking of which, the GLES port would have been finished already if there was not so many plugins to check and fix ;-)
[09:21] <MCR1> seb128: I think you are joking now ;)
[09:21] <seb128> sadly not :-(
[09:22] <seb128> some of the blockers were like "woobling dialogs don't render right with the port"
[09:22] <MCR1> seb128: The solution is to fix not to remove and cripple Compiz
[09:23] <seb128> well, the time spent fixing woobling is not spent fixing focus or stability or performances
[09:23] <seb128> so for 0.01% users who discover ccsm and turn that on we penalize 99.99% of users who run stock compiz,unity
[09:25] <MCR1> seb128: Compiz without wobbly windows is not Compiz anymore... but I will now focus on fixing bugs (starting with the hardcoded shortcut ones on the weekend)
[09:26] <seb128> MCR1, well again don't take that discussion for you, it's rather meant as compiz as a project for its direction
[09:26] <seb128> MCR1, well, I guess that's what I said before, I don't want Ubuntu to use compiz by default
[09:26] <seb128> MCR1, I want Ubuntu to use a less-buggy-better-streamlined-compiz
[09:27] <seb128> so maybe the solution would be to fork and make a simpler version of compiz for Ubuntu and let the old compiz around for those who want the options
[09:28] <mvo> Laney: here we go, its here now, thanks
[09:31] <MCR1> seb128: I understand and respect your point.
[09:41] <chrisccoulson> hmmmm, i probably should have restarted my machine before i started work this morning
[09:42] <chrisccoulson> dragging windows is painfully slow
[10:55] <chrisccoulson> hmmm, is there any way to tell if a source is remote with eds?
[13:24] <bcurtiswx> good morning
[13:25] <seb128> bcurtiswx, hey, how are you?
[13:26] <bcurtiswx> hi seb128, my job is keeping me busy :) i got your e-mail about that one update i did, i don't recall exactly but I think it was at a point to be reveiwed
[13:26] <seb128> bcurtiswx, ok, I will review it
[13:26] <bcurtiswx> seb128: thanks
[13:27] <dobey> mvo: ping
[13:27] <mvo> dobey: pong
[13:28] <dobey> mvo: care to take a look at https://code.launchpad.net/~dobey/ubuntu/quantal/aptdaemon/fix-gobject-imports/+merge/119020 as well?
[13:29] <mvo> dobey: sure, I can also do  a new upstream snapshot upload
[13:29] <mvo> dobey: might be easier than the patch
[13:30] <dobey> mvo: ok. either's fine, but right now the ubuntuone-installer test suite is broken without it
[13:32] <jbicha> seb128: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/1:3.5.5-0ubuntu3
[13:32] <seb128> jbicha, yeah, I saw that on the changes list
[13:33] <seb128> jbicha, though I'm unsure what it is about, right click on the desktop works here
[13:33] <jbicha> "Show Desktop Background" doesn't show though
[13:34] <seb128> oh, right
[13:34] <seb128> jbicha, thanks for it
[13:34] <jbicha> it was mentioned at the top of the OMG Ubuntu article
[13:34] <seb128> jbicha, is there any reason you point the update?
[13:34] <seb128> (just curious if you just pointed it or wanted to discuss it)
[13:35] <jbicha> people were saying that Nautilus was intentionally breaking desktop mode which wasn't the case, it was just a bug
[13:35] <seb128> oh ok
[13:35] <seb128> thanks for fixing it!
[13:36] <didrocks> jbicha: hey, how are you?
[13:36] <jbicha> doing good, I'm at http://openhelpconference.com/ desrt should be arriving here later today
[13:37] <didrocks> ah nice :)
[13:37] <didrocks> jbicha: FYI, with the removal of the unity-2d session, I think your Fallback plan on the session to start gnome-shell on the CD won't work anymore
[13:37] <didrocks> jbicha: I think you should use the little tool I provided to flavors for setting the default session
[13:37] <jbicha> which?
[13:38] <didrocks> jbicha: /usr/lib/lightdm/lightdm-set-defaults
[13:38] <didrocks> --help should help :)
[13:38] <didrocks> basically you use -s <desktop_filename> --keep-old
[13:38] <didrocks> in a postinst and same for removing in a prerm
[13:39] <didrocks> you can look at the xubuntu-default-settings package IIRC
[13:39] <jbicha> I'll give that a try
[13:39] <didrocks> jbicha: do not hesitate to ping me if you need any help :)
[13:39] <jbicha> ok thanks!
[13:39] <didrocks> yw!
[13:41] <seb128> jbicha: that's what I suggest you in reply to your email a week ago or so
[13:41] <seb128> suggested
[13:41] <seb128> jbicha, did you get it?
[13:41] <jbicha> yes, I forgot to remove the gnome-session change from bzr though
[13:46] <bcurtiswx> so this nautilus discussion. I think we should keep 3.6 version, and patch. Think about all the indicator stuff and how much patching went there to different apps. Im not sure the true difference in the workload comparisons. Empathy needed an adjustment period because people were so accustomed to pidgins capabilities. Nautilus made a few changes that people will have to change things they got comfortabl
[13:46] <bcurtiswx> e with
[13:48] <bcurtiswx> I of course don't make the decisions and I don't know a lot of things that would help my thought process. Just my 0.02
[13:49] <ogra_> bcurtiswx, well, the missing developer time seems to be the biggest issue, if someone from the community would commit to do all the patching that might probably help
[13:51] <bcurtiswx> ogra_, yes, i understand thats the biggest issue. I hope we can get a few community people with the time to work on it.
[13:53] <dobey> could just not ship a file manager by default
[13:56] <bcurtiswx> dobey: Who uses nautilus any more? Terminal for default!
[14:01] <dobey> well, nautilus really has a lot of other issues; the name certainly doesn't make sense any more itself. the name of the type of app it is doesn't make sense either, as it doesn't actually 'manage' anything. nautilus is slowly going away upstream as well. and really, the only people who care about it, are the same people who know/care enough to just install whichever one they want to use anyway. and it's a really horrible int
[14:02] <bcurtiswx> dobey, i don't quite understand the flow then. If nautilus is going away slowly, what has been slowly replacing it ?
[14:02] <mdeslaur> dobey: I do hope you're joking
[14:03] <jcastro> hyporbole much there dobey?
[14:03] <dobey> jcastro: like totally?
[14:03] <bcurtiswx> lol, ok then
[14:03] <mdeslaur> hehe
[14:04] <dobey> bcurtiswx: gnome is moving toward more integration with tracker, and i think there's a design for 'files' which nautilus may simply turn into. but the nautilus you know and love, is going away
[14:04] <dobey> mdeslaur: why would i be joking?
[14:05] <mdeslaur> dobey: I don't believe copying a file to a usb key is something only power users do :P
[14:05] <dobey> mdeslaur: and i don't believe you need a 'file manager' to do that.
[14:06] <mdeslaur> dobey: ok, how would you do it?
[14:07] <mdeslaur> you know, since it's all about the apps now, and the web is dead...maybe we shouldn't even install a web browser by default
[14:07] <dobey> mdeslaur: search for the thing i wish to copy, and then drag/drop it to the usb stick icon on the unity launcher, or hopefully right click and choose 'copy to foo'
[14:07] <mdeslaur> power users who still use the web can go to the app store and install a "web browser" if that's what they want
[14:07] <seb128> mterry, !!!!
[14:08] <mdeslaur> dobey: and you're searching in _what_ exactly? <- that would be a file manager
[14:08] <dobey> users copy files to usb devices all the time without a file manager
[14:08] <mdeslaur> dobey: ok, if you say so
[14:08] <mterry> seb128, hello!
[14:08] <dobey> mdeslaur: unity dash? libreoffice?
[14:09] <dobey> mdeslaur: well, what do you think itunes/banshee/rhythmbox do when they "sync" your music to your ipod? :)
[14:09] <mdeslaur> dobey: unity dash is a file manager, libreoffice has save, but a video player doesn't necessarily have a save button
[14:09] <seb128> mterry, how are you?
[14:09] <mterry> seb128, good.  What's up?
[14:09] <dobey> unity dash is not a file manager
[14:10] <mdeslaur> dobey: sure it is, it's just limited
[14:10] <dobey> it's a bunch of icons that resemble files that you can do very little with in unity itself
[14:10] <mdeslaur> dobey: right, a broken file manager :)
[14:10] <seb128> mterry, nothing, it's friday and I'm in a playful mood I think ;-) I wanted to say hey and see if the !!! would scare you away :p
[14:10] <dobey> mdeslaur: and by that argument, everything is a file manager, so we don't need to ship yet another one :)
[14:10] <mterry> seb128, :)  Happy Friday!
[14:11] <seb128> mterry, happy friday to you too !
[14:11] <mdeslaur> dobey: exactly, so let's add folders, and copy options to unity dash :P
[14:12] <dobey> mdeslaur: don't forget permisisons and other security related UI. the design team will absolutely ♥ you ;)
[14:12] <mdeslaur> dobey: you're the one who suggested replacing nautilus with dash, not me :)
[14:16] <bcurtiswx> Other than the time needed to add some patches to nautilus, the only other issues I've read are with "I could do X action with the old nautilus and it's broken now that I can't" and I don't think those are good reasons at all
[14:16] <dobey> no. i suggested just getting rid of nautilus. i said dash is where search generally happens in unity. and a proper search and indexing system that is integrated into all the apps would be much better for the users. the current 'search' in unity just does not work well.
[14:16] <mdeslaur> heck, even android has now added a file manager
[14:18] <bcurtiswx> wasn't there a rumor that fedora (or some OS) was hopping on the Unity train? if so there may be some patching help given there?
[14:19] <dobey> haha
[14:19] <dobey> no. someone packaged unity for fedora i think
[14:19] <dobey> but i certainly don't see redhat/fedora switching to unity
[14:19] <bcurtiswx> dobey: ok
[14:20] <dobey> redhat ~= gnome, lately
[14:20] <seb128> kenvandine, bcurtiswx: do you plan to update empathy to 3.5.5?
[14:20] <bcurtiswx> kenvandine would be the guy. I'm going on my honeymoon sunday-saturday :D
[14:21] <kenvandine> i already did :)
[14:21] <kenvandine> just not uploaded
[14:21]  * bcurtiswx hugs kenvandine
[14:21] <seb128> bcurtiswx, oh, enjoy!
[14:21] <kenvandine> bcurtiswx, i guess you didn't see my request to test it?
[14:21] <kenvandine> my systems are all riddled with UOA stuff
[14:21]  * seb128 press the upload button for kenvandine
[14:21] <bcurtiswx> kenvandine: was it in IRC ?
[14:21] <kenvandine> so not a pristine GOA based setup
[14:21] <kenvandine> yeah
[14:21] <kenvandine> last night :)
[14:22] <kenvandine> bcurtiswx, you have other things to do though..
[14:22] <bcurtiswx> kenvandine: you're better off e-mailing me. I have ZNC and sometime I don't see the PM's
[14:22] <bcurtiswx> kenvandine: i can test when I get home tonight
[14:22] <davmor2> Hey guys I just noticed that if my laptop goes to sleep I'm not having to type in a password to gain access to it
[14:22] <kenvandine> bcurtiswx, don't worry about it
[14:22] <kenvandine> you worry about real life :)
[14:22] <seb128> davmor2, sounds good, let password annoyance?
[14:23] <kenvandine> have a great honeymoon
[14:23] <davmor2> sleep == screen lock previously rather than hibernate
[14:23] <bcurtiswx> kenvandine: lol. ok then
[14:23] <seb128> kenvandine, if you push to the desktop ppa I can try it
[14:24] <kenvandine> seb128, sure
[14:25] <mdeslaur> seb128: please don't tell me screen locking is all broken again in quantal?
[14:25] <seb128> mdeslaur, no reason it should, there were no real change that I know about
[14:25] <kenvandine> i have screen lock on suspend disabled :)
[14:26] <seb128> same here
[14:26] <mdeslaur> seb128: ok, cool
[14:26] <Laney> i don't, and it still works here
[14:26] <kenvandine> well, i read that gnome 3.5.5 release included a new screen lock
[14:26] <kenvandine> lock screen that is
[14:26] <kenvandine> but i don't think that affects us
[14:26] <kenvandine> seb128, uploaded to the ppa, i'll ping you when it is ready to test
[14:26] <seb128> we didn't update gdm nor gnome-shell
[14:27] <seb128> kenvandine, thanks, I will notice it, I've the ppa in my sources
[14:27] <kenvandine> seb128, i think all the changes in 3.5.5 are UOA related
[14:27] <kenvandine> it now provides account plugins for everything
[14:27] <kenvandine> :)
[14:27] <kenvandine> and you can set all the options in UOA
[14:27] <kenvandine> which is really nice :)
[14:28] <seb128> kenvandine, can I on quantal? ;-)
[14:28] <seb128> (without ppa)
[14:29] <kenvandine> not without the PPA yet :)
[14:29] <kenvandine> it's all in the preview ppa already though
[14:31] <seb128> kenvandine, I will wait, we need people who keep running quantal ;-)
[14:31] <seb128> kenvandine, otherwise you wouldn't have a tester for your upload :p
[14:35] <kenvandine> right :)
[14:35] <kenvandine> although it'll all be in quantal as soon as those reviews are done
[14:35]  * kenvandine hugs jdstrand
[14:41] <mvo> dobey: uploaded
[14:43] <dobey> mvo: awesome! thanks!
[14:45] <mvo> yw
[14:52] <mvo> didrocks: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Bugs/UpdateManagerWarningForUnity3D <- a stub for you guys
[14:54] <didrocks> mvo: excellent, thanks, I'll see if we need to add more here :) btw, if you want to reference a bug in ubuntu-release-upgrader, there is bug #1035261 for the transition
[14:54] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1035261 in unity "Port compiz to gsettings and consequently remove unity-2d" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1035261
[14:56] <didrocks> mvo: and btw, to be able to remove unity-2d from the distro (because the old version is broken by newer metacity), I need to have dummy transitional package to unity I guess? (I think we need that anyway for those removing unity and keeping unity-2d)
[14:56] <didrocks> or should just unity provides/conflicts all unity-2d packages?
[14:58] <mvo> didrocks: going with transitional package for robustness is a good idea I think
[15:00] <didrocks> mvo: ok, let's create a bunch of them then! \o/
[15:00] <didrocks> mvo: thanks :)
[15:00]  * didrocks transitional package professional, years of experience starting with netbook-launcher, renaming, and so on ;)
[15:01] <mvo> lol
[15:01]  * mvo hugs did
[15:01]  * mvo hugs didrocks
[15:01] <vibhav> Are there any easy bugs that I can help with?
[15:02]  * didrocks hugs mvo back
[15:05] <dobey> seiflotfy: just uploaded the gdk fix for ubuntu-sso-client
[15:08] <younder> Is there any documentation on the general architecure of the ubuntu desktop?
[15:22] <mterry> My window buttons are on the right now...  How'd that happen?
[15:23] <seb128> mterry, gconf corruption?
[15:23] <seb128> dobey, what the gdk fix info for me?
[15:25] <kenvandine> seb128, amd64 built... i386 failed because of the webkit in the ppa :)
[15:25] <kenvandine>  build/buildd/empathy-3.5.5/libempathy-gtk/empathy-theme-adium.c:796: undefined reference to `webkit_dom_html_element_set_class_name'
[15:25] <seb128> kenvandine, oh, come on!
[15:26] <kenvandine> you should have seen that coming! :)
[15:26]  * kenvandine snickers
[15:27] <seb128> webkit is haunting me
[15:29] <didrocks> mterry: you are not the only who reported it in the past month
[15:29] <didrocks> that's weird, indeed
[15:29] <didrocks> seb128: what's best for a friday evening? :)
[15:30] <seb128> didrocks, not webkit for sure!
[15:33] <kenvandine> webkit and a glass of wine... a fine friday evening
[15:33] <didrocks> heh
[15:53] <blkperl> Hi guys, I'm trying to get Precise working with nfs mounted homedirs and on login dconf-service hangs, the open file is $USER/.config/dconf/user and when you try to ls it hangs as well.
[16:25] <dobey> seb128: bug #937132
[16:25] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 937132 in ubuntu-sso-client "ubuntu-sso-login crashed with RuntimeError in /usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/gi/overrides/Gdk.py: Gdk couldn't be initialized" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/937132
[16:25] <didrocks> have a good evening and week-end everyone
[16:26] <seb128> dobey, thanks!
[16:50] <HelpMeeee> hello
[16:51] <HelpMeeee> I want to install ubuntu but i cant :( it freezes
[17:32] <seb128> kenvandine, new empathy works fine here
[17:33] <kenvandine> seb128, great
[17:33]  * kenvandine uploads
[17:34] <kenvandine> done
[17:34] <kenvandine> thanks!
[17:34] <seb128> reboot, brb
[17:34] <bcurtiswx> kenvandine: what changed this time around?
[17:35] <kenvandine> bcurtiswx, all UOA stuff
[17:35] <kenvandine> so you won't notice anything in quantal yet
[17:35] <kenvandine> until i enable that
[17:35] <kenvandine> it's in the PPA though
[17:35] <kenvandine> no more need for empathy-accounts :)
[17:36] <bcurtiswx> kenvandine: if FF is coming soon, when are you going to enable it ?
[17:37] <kenvandine> as soon as the depends are all in main
[17:37] <kenvandine> 3 of them are being reviewed by security now
[17:37] <bcurtiswx> and the FFX work is done?
[17:37] <bcurtiswx> or still only chromium?
[17:37] <kenvandine> we can't land the firefox stuff yet
[17:38] <kenvandine> waiting for mozilla to OK it
[17:41] <younder> Is there any documentation on the general architecure of the ubuntu desktop?
[17:42] <younder> Like  which window manager it is built on and what is added to it.
[17:46] <seb128> dobey, could you put the testcase,rational,regression potential infos on the sso SRU bug?
[17:50] <dobey> seb128: i have no idea how people are getting that bug to happen; but the fix is obvious to me from reading the traceback. so i'm not sure how to force it to happen as-is
[17:51] <seb128> dobey, just write a "no easy way to test, just make sure it still works and check that reports stop"
[17:57] <dobey> seb128: updated the description with the info
[19:39] <mterry> Sweetshark, this set of MIRs for libreoffice-report-builder-bin.  The other bug says you talked to seb128 and we don't need them in main after all?
[21:08] <MCR1> smspillaz: Are you around ?