[00:00] <directhex> pfft, all this modern overclocking
[00:00] <directhex> in my day, the key to overclocking was a lead pencil!
[00:01] <Azelphur> lol
[00:02] <directhex> the great thing about the athlon multiplier unlock was when they started lasering a gap between the contacts, to prevent you from drawing a connection on with a pencil. lots of guides to using superglue and two razorblades to bridge the lasered channel
[00:03] <directhex> actual solution? curved line around channel, rather than straight line through it :)
[00:04] <Azelphur> directhex, so any idea on my RAM? :P
[00:05] <directhex> all my knowledge is obsolete
[00:05] <Azelphur> :(
[05:41] <knightwise> morning everyone
[05:59] <shauno> morning? I'm still in denial
[05:59] <knightwise> Lol
[06:00] <knightwise> morning Shauno
[06:06] <knightwise> Playing around with my Google NExus here
[07:26] <jacobw> morning
[07:30] <AlanBell> morning
[07:30] <DJones> Morning
[07:43] <TheOpenSourcerer> morning
[07:48] <daubers> o/
[07:50] <TheOpenSourcerer> Oh man... "Open-air quantum teleportation performed across a 97km lake"
[07:50] <TheOpenSourcerer> http://arstechnica.com/science/2012/08/open-air-quantum-teleportation-performed-across-a-97km-lake/
[08:07] <christel> morning pretties
[08:11] <bigcalm> Good morning everybody :)
[08:11] <christel> HELLO bigcalm!
[08:14] <bigcalm> Hello hello christel :)
[08:15] <bigcalm> How are you my dear?
[08:16] <christel> i am well! drinking coffee with my mother and watching the boy wonder play with my old old old toys!
[08:16] <bigcalm> :)
[08:19] <christel> how are yooooou
[08:20] <bigcalm> Tiiiiiiiiiiiiiired, longing for the weekend
[08:20] <bigcalm> Thankfully, there is one just around the corner
[08:20] <christel> aww :D
[08:20] <bigcalm> Excited that I'm getting a hair cut tomorrow - I am getting old
[08:21] <christel> haha
[08:21]  * TheOpenSourcerer gives himself a #3 around the garden. Then asks his wife to finish him off.
[08:22] <bigcalm> o.O
[08:22] <christel> haha
[08:34] <oimon> bigcalm: me too
[08:35] <oimon> bit nervous
[08:37] <bigcalm> Wee, server reboot time
[08:39] <bigcalm> Hazar
[08:40] <bigcalm> !ping
[08:41] <bigcalm> Laaaaaaaaaaaaagy
[08:45] <Dave2> was that meant to be laggy?
[08:45] <bigcalm> No
[08:45] <bigcalm> I refuse to spel corectlly
[08:47]  * MartijnVdS calls the language cops
[08:57] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[08:57] <oimon> morn
[08:57] <brobostigon> morning oimon
[09:01] <oimon> how's tricks
[09:08] <oimon> how can you full-screen an rdesktop session in windows? i thought ctrl-alt-enter did it, but no :(
[09:09] <bigcalm> You might have better luck with Remmina (I know I have)
[09:10] <oimon> i like remmina a lot , but i'm dual booting my work laptop into vsphere client OS atm
[09:16] <oimon> i was just looking at the donations graph for linux mint http://www.linuxmint.com/donors.php . even more interesting is the huge spike in sponsorship this year at the around $7k permonth from 1 sponsor alone http://www.linuxmint.com/sponsors.php
[10:18]  * AlanBell wants to see more spice racks
[10:19] <knightwise> hey AlanBell how are you
[10:19] <AlanBell> hi knightwise, how is your spice rack?
[10:22] <knightwise> Depends on what you are referring to :)
[10:22] <knightwise> all our spices are in a drawer :)
[10:23] <jardag> i have installed 12.04 and there are no menus in firefox, any ideas?
[10:25] <brobostigon> jardag: move your mouse over the global menu, in the top left hand side.
[10:26] <knightwise> hey brobostigon how are you today
[10:26] <brobostigon> knightwise: my eczema feels abit painful, and itchy, otherwise fine. and you?
[10:27] <jardag> brobostigon: there is no global menu, maybe i have chosen wrong install option
[10:27] <knightwise> Doing fine. Office is starting to look like Neo's room from the matrix
[10:27] <brobostigon> knightwise: :)
[10:27] <knightwise> 2 laptops , 2 tablets , 2 phones and a lot of junk$
[10:27] <brobostigon> jardag: do you have unity, xfce, kde ?
[10:27] <knightwise> playing around with the google nexus i got yesterday
[10:28] <brobostigon> knightwise: i am trying to work out, how to root mine.
[10:28] <jardag> brobostigon: i have ubuntu 12.04 gnome
[10:29] <brobostigon> you need to turn ff's menu's backo n again, inside ff itself.
[10:31] <jardag> brobostigon: i don't know how to
[10:31] <knightwise> brobostigon: might be a dumb question , but what are the perks in rooting it ?
[10:31] <brobostigon> jardag: you should be able to right click and get a popup from one of ff's title bars.
[10:32] <brobostigon> knightwise: backups for example.
[10:32] <knightwise> "backed up apk's you want to install you mean ?
[10:33] <brobostigon> knightwise: also systems settings, etc, that kind of thing, so for example, i can go into recovery, and do a nad backup, ie, a controlled system state, so if something happens, i can just flash it back. and have a saved system state.
[10:35] <oimon> the ability to take an image of your phone/device is crucial IMO
[10:39] <directhex> wp7 forces backups on you. can't install a firmware update without it taking a backup first
[10:39] <oimon> a dd image type backup?
[10:43] <jardag> brobostigon: no menus in firefox ubuntu 12.04 amd64
[10:44] <brobostigon> jardag: am now out of ideas. sorry.
[10:45] <jardag> i thin it is a bug in the 64 bit version
[10:51] <oimon> jardag was probably missing firefox-globalmenu package
[10:54] <brobostigon> well, he did say he was using gnome, not unity. so that wouldnt have made any difference, as there is no global menu in gnome-shell/gnome3.
[10:56] <oimon> ah, didn't see that bit
[10:57] <brobostigon> [1;3C10:28:29 < jardag> brobostigon: i have ubuntu 12.04 gnome
[10:57] <brobostigon> 10:28:29 < jardag> brobostigon: i have ubuntu 12.04 gnome
[11:16] <davmor2> morning all
[11:18] <brobostigon> afternoon davmor2
[11:19] <bigcalm> Hi davmor2
[11:21]  * AlanBell hugs mysql indexes
[11:22] <AlanBell> knightwise: lets see a pic of your spice drawer http://ratemyspicerack.com/
[11:27] <knightwise> Lol AlanBell I think mine is a bit bigger
[11:28] <AlanBell> http://ratemyspicerack.com/myriamrs/ is the most extensive collection so far I think
[12:11] <bigcalm> LUNCH!
[12:12] <Pendulum> hiya
[12:13] <bigcalm> Hey :)
[12:13]  * bigcalm slithers off
[12:17] <davmor2> Pendulum: morning
[12:19] <Pendulum> davmor2: how goes?
[12:21] <davmor2> currently like waltzer round and round in circles :D
[12:25] <brobostigon> any suggestions for good android games?
[12:25] <BigRedS> Tank Hero!
[12:26] <brobostigon> BigRedS: looks interesting, i will try it.
[12:26]  * selinuxium looking up Tank Hero now...
[12:26] <selinuxium> brobostigon: Dead Space
[12:27] <brobostigon> selinuxium: let me look, also.
[12:36] <jacobw> osmus
[12:38] <oimon> x-construction
[12:42] <brobostigon> :)
[12:44] <Pendulum> davmor2: are you going through czajkowski withdrawal yet?
[12:45] <davmor2> Pendulum: Nah I was picking on christel instead but now she has gone on holiday too, I mean who picks summer to go on holiday? ;)
[12:49] <jacobw> it is quite cruel of them
[12:51] <christel> haha
[12:51] <christel> you may pick on me anytime! <3
[12:52] <davmor2> christel: See that's a challenge I just can't refuse :D  How was your flight?
[13:15] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: she was online the whole time..
[13:15] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: christel is omnipresirc
[13:25] <jacobw> what pastebin app does paste.ubuntu.com run?
[13:27]  * bigcalm slithers in
[13:28] <davmor2> bigcalm: how many big snakes are there in you area
[13:29] <bigcalm> Just me
[13:30] <davmor2> you're a big snake man you keep that quite at the coworking zap session yesterday
[13:31] <bigcalm> Hissss
[13:31] <bigcalm> Zap session?
[13:35] <davmor2> bigcalm: zap, zap, zap, zap, zap, zap, zap, zap, zap, zap, zap, zap, zap, zap, zap.  Man did Tia curse you with memory lose :D
[13:35] <bigcalm> Oh goodness. I had blocked that from my memory
[13:37] <bigcalm> The dangers of working in public places
[13:38] <bigcalm> Still more than 3 hours to the weekend
[13:38]  * bigcalm grumbles
[13:40] <Azelphur> Does anyone know what the law is that entitles you to return windows?
[13:42] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: TIAs do have that effect.. memory loss.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transient_ischemic_attack
[13:47] <TheOpenSourcerer> Azelphur: Try the Consumer Protection Act I think. There is/was also something from the EU a while ago that talks about "bundling" being bad.
[13:48] <TheOpenSourcerer> Hang on - I may have some old blog posts about this...
[13:48] <Azelphur> TheOpenSourcerer: hi :), yea I've been reading your blog posts on this :D
[13:48] <TheOpenSourcerer> Oh OK.
[13:48] <Azelphur> TheOpenSourcerer: feel free to look though maybe there's something I missed
[13:49] <Azelphur> TheOpenSourcerer: I noticed you had success with Amazon too, I kinda dread going through lenovo (seems bad), but the EULA on win7 has changed and it specifically says take it to the manufacturer/installer now
[13:49] <TheOpenSourcerer> Yes - the Win7 EULA makes it much harder to get a refund.
[13:49] <Azelphur> indeed :(
[13:50] <Azelphur> I'm hoping that I can just send them a video of the entire process, from breaking the seals on the box to wiping the HDD
[13:50] <Azelphur> without having to ship it back \o/
[13:52] <TheOpenSourcerer> "The Sale and Supply of Goods to Consumers Regulations 2002 requires that the retailer replace the faulty item, or if that is impossible provide you with a refund. The Sale of Goods Act gives you the right to partially reject items. Essentially you assert your ’statutory rights’. "
[13:52] <TheOpenSourcerer> In this one: http://www.theopensourcerer.com/2009/08/pressure-mounts-on-windows-tax/
[13:52] <Azelphur> fun
[13:52] <Azelphur> so the main bit with that I'm interested in is partially rejecting items
[13:52] <TheOpenSourcerer> If the retailer is awkward, then the way to a refund is avoid the trap of following the instructions in the EULA. Instead you request that the retailer replace the software with a version that isn’t ‘faulty’ (ie doesn’t have the additional terms and conditions imposed). You didn’t agree to them when you purchased the item and therefore they don’t form part of the contract of sale with the retailer.
[13:53] <Azelphur> haha, so get them to replace win7 with winxp then refund that? XD
[13:53] <TheOpenSourcerer> This is the key. When you buy the PC you do not agree to the EULA.
[13:53] <Azelphur> yea
[13:53] <Azelphur> I havn't even opened the box
[13:53] <TheOpenSourcerer> It isn't part of the deal.
[13:54] <Azelphur> any suggestions on who I should contact first? Amazon or Lenovo xD
[13:55] <TheOpenSourcerer> No - but I would "speak" to any supplier and explain what you want first.
[13:55] <Azelphur> fair enough
[13:55] <Azelphur> suppose I'll go to Amazon first then since you had success with them
[13:56] <TheOpenSourcerer> You may be able to get a sale just because you could go elsewhere and potentially get a deal.
[13:56] <Azelphur> ah, I already bought the laptop though
[13:56] <Azelphur> it arrived today :p
[13:56] <TheOpenSourcerer> Ah.
[14:10] <Azelphur> TheOpenSourcerer: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/3832397/screenshots/2012/August/2012-08-10-150952_1908x1170_scrot.png making a start :)
[14:11] <TheOpenSourcerer> Good luck Azelphur
[14:12] <Azelphur> ty \o/
[14:13] <brobostigon> there we go, easy and painless, unlocking bootloader, installing cwm recovery and rooting, nexus 7.
[14:19] <bigcalm> Good luck indeed
[14:48] <Azelphur> The Ubuntu installer scares me, somehow it defaults to colemak for me now
[14:48] <Azelphur> it's in my brain...it knows things
[15:12] <shauno> I discovered my mac actually does that. it ships with en_GB set in the nvram, but changes to en_IE once I've set it up.  but stuffs that back in nvram so the installer is wiser next time
[15:12] <shauno> makes sense I guess, but struck me as really sneaky when I found this table of stuff laying in nv
[15:13] <Azelphur> haha, I had no idea something like that was even possible
[15:14] <shauno> I think all kinds of odd tricks are going to show up, the more we move away from pcbios
[15:15] <davmor2> bigcalm: zap
[15:35] <christel> davmor2: oh yes! the flight had free wifi so i was most pleased :D
[15:36] <davmor2> woohoo
[15:58] <zleap> christel, nice
[16:52] <Azelphur> Today is a great day, it's the first time in about 2 years that I've put the side panel on my case
[16:53] <Flashtek> lol
[16:53] <Flashtek> that makes it a good day ?
[16:53] <Azelphur> sure xD
[16:53] <Flashtek> you're easily pleased...
[16:53] <Azelphur> :p
[17:19] <Azelphur> I hate it when manufacturers modify the sockets on the home keys (F and J) so that you can't place them in any other slot :(
[17:27] <Azelphur> Anyone know if it's possible to scp while preserving permissions?
[17:27] <Azelphur> want to move my old home folder to my new home folder \o/
[17:27] <Azelphur> I probably should use dd, thinking about it
[17:43] <n1md4> Azelphur: rsync with -p
[17:47] <n1md4> Azelphur: I hope too you get a refund on Windows!  That'll be a nice win!
[17:56] <jacobw> Azelphur: rsync like it's 2012 :)
[17:59]  * wayne__ Would love a refund on his windows license
[18:01] <jacobw> n1md4: i didn't see your reply, sorry :)
[18:05]  * jacobw is liking byobu
[18:09] <MartijnVdS> byobu is fun
[18:12] <jacobw> i'm still trying to work out nesting issues, but so far i'm enjoying it much more than the screen →  tmux transision
[18:16] <jacobw> using the f-keys is much better :)
[18:27] <jussi> right you people who rate spice racks... I want thoughts and suggestions for spices to put in a Lamb minced meat and vegetable soup the rack is here: http://ratemyspicerack.com/jussi01/
[18:31] <MartijnVdS> jussi: Sage + lamb = yummy (not too much, it's quite strong)
[18:31] <jussi> MartijnVdS: thanks!
[18:44] <Flashtek> zleap: wake up
[18:45] <zleap> sorry
[18:45] <Flashtek> lol
[19:00] <Azelphur> Woo, dding into bzip2 into netcat out of netcat into bzip2 into dd
[19:00] <Azelphur> Linux is fun \o/
[19:06] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: I've done the same with tar instead of dd :)
[19:06] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: also fun
[19:06] <Azelphur> hehe
[19:17] <Azelphur> for people who are familiar with royal mail, if I want to post a joggler (tablet pc type thing), Standard parcels should do it right?
[19:21] <dogmatic69> Azelphur: I think its a large packet
[19:21] <Azelphur> dogmatic69: I got letter, large letter or packet o.O
[19:21] <dogmatic69> packet
[19:22] <Azelphur> yea, then standard parcels should be the right thing hopefully
[19:22] <dogmatic69> letter and large letter is something like max 20mm
[19:22] <dogmatic69> thickness ^
[19:22] <Azelphur> yea I just noticed, and packet is all "over XYZ" measurements
[19:22] <dogmatic69> letter is std mail like you get from the bank etc. large letter is A4
[19:22] <dogmatic69> yes
[19:23] <Azelphur> yea :)
[19:23] <dogmatic69> or a tube of x length max dia
[19:23] <dogmatic69> Ipad sort of size box should be fine. If they are not to grumpy they will even go a bit over too
[19:24] <Azelphur> http://cdn.electricpig.com.s3-external-3.amazonaws.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/o2-joggler-review-6-440x286.jpg it's a box \o/
[19:25] <dogmatic69> 610 x 460 x 460 mm seems to be the max
[19:25] <Azelphur> yea joggler is smaller than tha
[19:25] <Azelphur> t
[19:26] <dogmatic69> Think its about 4 or 5 quid for first class in the UK
[19:26] <AlanBell> evening all
[19:26] <dogmatic69> I normally send tubes though, so might be different for boxes
[19:26] <dogmatic69> sup AlanBell
[19:26] <AlanBell> Gatwick is dead today
[19:26] <AlanBell> nobody here
[19:28] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: Isn't it holiday season?
[19:28] <MartijnVdS> shouldn't it be packed?
[19:28] <MartijnVdS> or..
[19:28] <MartijnVdS> did you chase everyone away?
[19:29] <dogmatic69> AlanBell: try again on monday, when the games are over
[19:30]  * MartijnVdS watches the women's field hockey final
[19:30] <MartijnVdS> NED - ARG
[19:30] <MartijnVdS> not as crushing as the men's NED-GBR yesterday
[19:30] <dogmatic69> that was a right beating
[19:31] <dogmatic69> and then GBR thrashed in the 3rd place game
[19:34] <MartijnVdS> they were?
[19:36] <n1md4> jacobw: Pffff not even sure what that reply was :P
[19:40] <Azelphur> Is there an easy way to get laptop A to DHCP laptop B so that they are on a little private network with eachother?
[19:43] <n1md4> why dhcp?
[19:43] <Azelphur> well, anything will do
[19:43] <MartijnVdS> just give them static IPs
[19:43] <MartijnVdS> both in the same net
[19:43] <MartijnVdS> done!
[19:43] <Azelphur> I just want a fast way to move files from laptop A to laptop B
[19:43] <n1md4> wired?
[19:43] <Azelphur> how do I give them an IP?
[19:43] <Azelphur> n1md4: yep
[19:44] <n1md4> ip or ifconfig
[19:44] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: either using network-manager, or "ip addr"
[19:44] <n1md4> take your pick :)
[19:44] <MartijnVdS> Oh use RFC1918 addresses :)
[19:44] <MartijnVdS> it would be weird otherwise
[19:45] <Azelphur> I can't seem to figure out how to do it with network-manager?
[19:46] <n1md4> ip addr add 19.168.66.1 dev eth0
[19:46] <n1md4> ip addr add 19.168.66.1/24 dev eth0
[19:46] <MartijnVdS> 192.
[19:46] <MartijnVdS> nog 19.
[19:46] <MartijnVdS> not*
[19:46]  * n1md4 typo monster strikes
[19:47] <Azelphur> hehe
[19:47]  * Azelphur tries that
[19:47] <n1md4> you might need  .... "ip link set dev eth0 up" too.
[19:47] <MartijnVdS> and .2/24 on the other machine of course
[19:47] <Azelphur> indeed
[19:48] <n1md4> Azelphur: You mean you don't have an openwrt gigabit router? :P
[19:48] <Azelphur> all the ports are used but one :(
[19:49] <Azelphur> 4 port switches are pretty useless
[19:49]  * MartijnVdS has a WDR4300 from TP-Link with OpenWRT on it
[19:49] <MartijnVdS> \o/
[19:49] <MartijnVdS> gigabits AND 2.4GHz 802.11n radio, AND 5GHz 802.11n radio
[19:50] <Azelphur> yea I have a linksys wrt610n dual band 802.11n
[19:50] <Azelphur> omg, I think my Ubuntu USB stick went up the wall :(
[19:50]  * Azelphur rages
[19:50]  * n1md4 <3 TP-Link w/OpenWrt
[19:52]  * jacobw has an actual wrt54gl
[19:52] <jacobw> kind of old now
[19:52] <MartijnVdS> I have one of those here as well, but I'm thinking of throwing it out
[19:53] <Azelphur> that's frustrating, had a nice multiboot setup on that stick
[19:53] <MartijnVdS> I also have some routers that came with "How to replace the standard software with DD-WRT" leaflets :)
[19:53] <Azelphur> and now it just drops to busybox
[19:53] <Azelphur> :(
[19:53] <MartijnVdS> from Senao/Engenius
[19:55] <jacobw> awesome
[19:56]  * christel pokes bigcalm with a really pointy stick
[19:57] <MartijnVdS> christel: hockey stick?
[19:57] <christel> yes!
[19:58] <christel> a sharpened one at that :D
[19:58]  * MartijnVdS is still watching the women's final
[19:58] <MartijnVdS> One big cut in the first half
[19:58] <MartijnVdS> (as in, someone's face was cut open by a stick)
[19:58] <christel> !!
[20:00]  * AlanBell is watching a womens long distance
[20:00] <AlanBell> while sat in tje airside pub
[20:00] <christel> yus same
[20:00] <christel> ok, i am not in the airside pub
[20:01] <davmor2> AlanBell: is that not classes as stalking if you watch at a distance then?
[20:01] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: long distance? Not the 4x400m relay?
[20:01] <MartijnVdS> Where they broke the 1985(!) world record
[20:01] <davmor2> christel: wheres the post card??????? you said there would be post cards to the list :P
[20:02] <AlanBell> dunno what it is, not a relay
[20:02] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: relay was.. 10ish minutes ago?
[20:03] <AlanBell> 4:10 was the time
[20:03] <christel> davmor2: haha but i've only just got here! :P
[20:05] <davmor2> christel: pffffffffffffff excuses is all I can say :)
[20:05] <AlanBell> no wifi on my plane
[20:05] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: Aww
[20:05] <AlanBell> only on viking longplanes
[20:06] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: what's this? 1066 all over again?
[20:07] <christel> AlanBell: aww your plaen sucks :(
[20:07] <christel> plane*
[20:07] <MartijnVdS> plan*
[20:07] <MartijnVdS> :P
[20:15] <christel> haha
[20:15] <MartijnVdS> 2-0 for NED
[20:15] <Azelphur> grr,  I'm only getting 400KB/sec using dd over netcat :(
[20:16] <davmor2> 2 wings, engines, fuselage, webbing, tail, cockpit,  I love it when a plane comes together
[20:16] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: it's better than it falling apart
[20:17] <davmor2> </hannibal impression>
[20:19] <christel> i have been all domesticated today
[20:19] <christel> i've made 3 litres of raspberry jam
[20:19] <christel> norway clearly does weird things to me :(
[20:19] <MartijnVdS> raspberries ♥
[20:19] <MartijnVdS> christel: instead of pi?
[20:19] <christel> hehe indeed
[20:29] <MartijnVdS> woo, gold
[20:45] <christel> well done netherlands
[21:06] <hunter68uk> can anyone tell me the advantage of 32bit or 64bit i haver 32bit installed and was thinking of re-installing with 64bit but would i benefit?
[21:07] <ali1234> no
[21:07] <hunter68uk> ok :)
[21:07] <hunter68uk> ok 2nd question :)
[21:08] <hunter68uk> is there anyway i can get webcam to work with yahoo i have it working on most other chats
[21:30] <sebsebseb> hi
[21:50] <linuxloony89> has anyone got any idea's on how to get secondlife running well on ubuntu
[21:51] <directhex> the client or the server?
[21:52] <ali1234> i tried SL once, it ran extremely poorly
[21:52] <ali1234> not because of the graphics but because the environments take forever to load
[21:53] <ali1234> so you're walking along and get stuck, and then 30 seconds later a wall pops up in front of you
[21:53] <ali1234> i dunno if the experience is the same on windows
[21:54] <linuxloony89> on windows it runs pretty well on my laptop but on ubuntu it wont load a world at all,
[21:55] <linuxloony89> directhex: client, trying singularity as it seems the lighter than the official client
[21:57] <linuxloony89> I finally scrapped windows completely and the only application I miss is SL and desprate to get it running again
[21:57] <directhex> ali1234, how long ago?
[21:58] <ali1234> oh, couple of years
[21:58] <linuxloony89> ali1234: it's improved incrediblely in the last year i would say
[21:59] <sebsebseb> linuxloony89: SL is 3D?
[21:59] <sebsebseb> or 2D?
[21:59] <ali1234> it's 3D
[22:00] <directhex> linuxloony89, so what's the issue? download, unpack, run?
[22:01] <linuxloony89> the programme starts on ubuntu, but when you log in, it wont load any worlds, despite the fact it's fine on windows, same client and same system
[22:01] <directhex> nvidia/ati binary drivers, 3d working?
[22:01] <sebsebseb> linuxloony89: SL is made for Windows really
[22:02] <sebsebseb> even if there is a Linux port, it's really a Windows  program
[22:02] <linuxloony89> nvidia and run fine
[22:02] <directhex> sebsebseb, wat?
[22:02] <linuxloony89> and im using gnome classic instead of unity to help on graphic
[22:02] <sebsebseb> directhex: I don't use SL, but I think it started off as  Windows program, and then ported to Linux?  that's what I meant
[22:03] <sebsebseb> linuxloony89: Which version of Ubuntu?
[22:03] <linuxloony89> 12.04
[22:03] <sebsebseb> ok so you mean the Gnome fall back mode then really
[22:03] <sebsebseb> which will eventaully be removed from GNOME it seems completly
[22:04] <sebsebseb> I assume you mean that
[22:04] <linuxloony89> that prob is the name, cant remember, but basically looks like gnome 2
[22:04] <linuxloony89> but obviously not
[22:04] <ali1234> it's called gnome fallback by gnome developers who want it to die, and gnome classic by everyone else who refuses to stop using it
[22:05] <sebsebseb> I  don't use  SL, but I expect any Linux port,  won't be as good as the WIndows version,  with certain graphics cards and so on
[22:05] <sebsebseb> certain graphics cards, that was meant to be above
[22:05] <sebsebseb> or maybe just in general really whatever the card, depending on how it's been made
[22:06] <linuxloony89> well the graphics card it nvidia geforce go 6600te/6200te
[22:07] <sebsebseb> also you may have a NIvida graphics card driver, which is the best one you can get really, but even so,  it's not quite working as well as you would hope with SL,  and nothing can be done about that really since it's closed source
[22:07] <directhex> sebsebseb, anything vaguely game-like that real people would want to play started on windows
[22:07] <ali1234> nvidia driver works fine
[22:07] <sebsebseb> directhex: that's not quite true
[22:07] <ali1234> heh, yeah, quake?
[22:07] <linuxloony89> yeah but hopefully will be joining linux
[22:07] <ali1234> DOS, then SGI, then finally windows supported it
[22:07] <sebsebseb> ali1234: also a lot of the games started on DOS even I guess,  and that's not WIndows :d
[22:08] <sebsebseb> linuxloony89: hopefuly who will be joining LInux ?
[22:09] <linuxloony89> the more main stream game developers, sorry
[22:09] <sebsebseb> yeah and hopefuly not just supporting Ubuntu when they do that
[22:09] <sebsebseb> altough I was reading about a distro the other day that can run well all of it really or pretty much,  Ubuntu DEb's,  Fedora  RPM's, etc etc
[22:09] <directhex> linuxloony89, so what exactly happens to you when you try to log in?
[22:11] <linuxloony89> it starts running the loading screen, gets to "requesting region capabilities@ then hangs
[22:12] <directhex> linuxloony89, anything in the console output?
[22:13] <linuxloony89> i check now
[22:15] <linuxloony89> "listening for requests on tcp:127.0.0.1:44125"
[22:16] <linuxloony89> "Initializing logging /home/rob/library/logs/vivox/, sdkserver, .txt. -i
[22:20] <linuxloony89> thats the last to lines
[22:21] <linuxloony89> directhex: I expect you ment in terminal?
[22:40] <n1md4> linuxloony89: Gnome2 look-a-like ... Cinnamon by any chance?
[22:45] <linuxloony89> n1md4not sure off the top of my head
[22:46] <linuxloony89> In1md4: all i know is it's called gnome fallback
[22:46] <linuxloony89> its really hard to type on this small keyboard..
[22:55] <linuxloony89> directhex: tryed firestorm client, it's loaded a world but extremely slowly, but it's certainly an improvement
[23:16] <directhex> linuxloony89, can you paste the output from "glxinfo" to pastebin.com ?
[23:23] <linuxloony89> directhex: http://pastebin.com/QHPYYpWc
[23:25] <directhex> wow, geforce 6000 still supported in that driver
[23:26] <petrol-head> ~
[23:27] <directhex> you might have more luck with an older driver - your card is supported in nvidia-173
[23:29] <linuxloony89> version 173 or 173-with updates
[23:44] <linuxloony89> directhex: so far not so good with 173, it's not got worse, not improved either, what about 173 - updates