[10:33] <smartboyhw> hi!
[12:48] <smartboyhw> Hello falktx.
[12:52] <falktx> hey
[12:56] <smartboyhw> Are you a team member of Ubuntu Studio in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/TeamStructure, falktx?
[12:56] <smartboyhw> I don't think so.
[13:16] <astraljava> smartboyhw: Well, depends. https://launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-dev/+members#active says he is.
[13:17] <smartboyhw> Yep, I am not even in that.
[13:26] <falktx> I'm on -dev at least
[13:26] <smartboyhw> Someone get me on -dev
[13:28] <smartboyhw> astraljava: Know what's on the Launchpad -bug team?
[13:29] <falktx> It's not my call, I think scott is the one who decides that
[13:29] <smartboyhw> Yep
[14:49] <astraljava> smartboyhw: If you intend to do development regarding this flavor, then you have to talk to ScottL or scott-work (he alternates with those nicks). That team has some uploads privileges, so it has some pre-requirements, though. Be patient, show initiative and understanding of processes regarding the distribution development.
[14:50] <smartboyhw> I know, he's not here.
[14:53] <ailo> smartboyhw: Have a look here https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/topic-quantal-flavor-ubuntustudio
[14:54] <ailo> smartboyhw: If you find something you'd like to do, that no one yet has set out to do, own it and do it
[14:54] <smartboyhw> ubuntustudio-q-documentation for me.
[14:55] <smartboyhw> But how to own it?
[14:55] <ailo> smartboyhw: I'm the doc lead on Ubuntu Studio, so in that case, we should probably discuss what you would like to do
[14:55] <smartboyhw> Oh, which one is not owned?
[14:56] <ailo> smartboyhw: I've taken on most documentation tasks, if you take a look inside it. My launchpad nick is ailo.at
[14:56] <smartboyhw> I know, I mean, which one can I take
[14:57] <ailo> smartboyhw: I've taken on most of those tasks, but as I said, we should probably discuss what it is you would like to do
[14:57] <ailo> smartboyhw: What kind of documentation?
[14:57] <ailo> User documentation, I presume?
[14:58] <smartboyhw> ailo: 1. What do you mean? 2. What is the new Ubuntu Studio Bug team on Launchpad?
[14:58] <smartboyhw> ailo: User doc is good for me.
[14:59] <ailo> smartboyhw: The Ubuntu Studio bug team is a new team, but it is not active yet. There's a technical problem to be solved with the ubuntustudio-bugs mail list first
[14:59] <ailo> Meant to be an open team which anyone can join
[14:59] <ailo> Managing bugs is something anyone can help with
[15:00] <ailo> smartboyhw: We would like to add user documentation to the web site. Right now, there's more or less zero docs of that kind. So, if you feel up to it, you are free to start working on that. 
[15:01] <smartboyhw> I will start with installation, can I?
[15:01] <ailo> There are installation instructions, but quite basic. And I would like that page to remain like that
[15:01] <smartboyhw> Oh...
[15:01] <ailo> It can always be improved on, I'm sure
[15:02] <smartboyhw> What do you want me to work on, then?
[15:02] <ailo> In depth docs can always be put in the wiki
[15:02] <ailo> Well, we need a guide for new users. How to start jack and use it with some applications
[15:03] <ailo> Really for all the areas. 
[15:03] <ailo> audio, video, graphics, etc. 
[15:04] <ailo> Problem with other things than audio is that at least for me, will require research, since I don't do that stuff a lot
[15:04] <smartboyhw> Other than audio then.
[15:04] <ailo> Monitor calibration might be something you'd do for graphics and video. Also, video drivers would be important
[15:05] <smartboyhw> BTW, ScottL should be at the meeting now.
[15:05] <smartboyhw> Where is he?
[15:05] <ailo> smartboyhw: He's not around much
[15:05] <smartboyhw> He's supposed to report to the releases meeting now...
[15:06] <astraljava> smartboyhw: You have to let go of that attitude. People are here mostly on a voluntary basis. It means we cannot always dedicate time when the paid people do.
[15:06] <ailo> I'm sure smartboyhw was just wondering where he was
[15:06] <smartboyhw> OK, sorry, just wondering...
[15:07] <ailo> smartboyhw: So, what are you doing other than Ubuntu Studio docs right now?
[15:07] <smartboyhw> Ubuntu Testing.
[15:08] <ailo> smartboyhw: I'm also sort of taking the lead on Ubuntu Studio testing. Both testing and docs. len-dt is the person who has done most of the testing so far, though
[15:09] <ailo> smartboyhw: One way to prepare docs would be to do them on Google docs, and share them once you've come up with something
[15:09] <smartboyhw> I know you're head of testing.
[15:09] <ailo> I'm not going to do user docs until I've done a few other things first
[15:09] <astraljava> ailo: I am doing the QA lead on Xubuntu. Want me to take care of that here, too? I mean since Scott is away quite a lot recently.
[15:09] <smartboyhw> len-dt does 32-bit. I do 64-bit.
[15:09] <ailo> astraljava: Fine with me
[15:10] <smartboyhw> YEAH!
[15:10] <astraljava> ailo: I mean I don't want to step on your toes here, but just thought whether you'd like to streamline it.
[15:11] <astraljava> And of course we have to talk to Scott about it, too.
[15:11] <smartboyhw> I've talked to Scott and len-dt yesterday, that's why they let me in.
[15:12] <ailo> astraljava: I don't think anyone else is doing that, so should be no problem with anyone. My area of testing is strictly based on tweaks and system settings. Counting xruns, etc
[15:12] <smartboyhw> len-dt does 32-bit ISO testing, I do 64-bit ISO testing.
[15:12] <smartboyhw> i'm in the testing team already: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-August/001714.html
[15:12] <astraljava> ailo: Yea, we're not crossing each others' responsibilities too mcuh.
[15:12] <smartboyhw> Sorry, wrong link
[15:13] <smartboyhw> I mean in here:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/TeamStructure
[15:14] <astraljava> smartboyhw: Yes, so as we talked already on -testing, have you learnt how to file results of daily testing on iso.qa.u.c yet?
[15:14] <smartboyhw> Yep, I did it for at least 50 times.
[15:15] <smartboyhw> :)
[15:15] <ailo> smartboyhw: I can't speak much for the traditional testing bit though, since that is not what I'm doing actually. As for doing the testing itself, I think mainly len-dt has been doing that. And the testing that I'm working on, a bunch of scripts, will need as many machines as possible once it's done. Probably by this weekend
[15:16] <ailo> I'm only testing system settings and tweaks
[15:16] <astraljava> smartboyhw: Ok, did you say you tested yesterday? 9th of August?
[15:16] <smartboyhw> Yep
[15:16] <smartboyhw> ailo: That's why len-dt let me in.
[15:16] <smartboyhw> ScottL wanted somebody to do the testing.
[15:16] <astraljava> I'm not seeing any results on either arch.
[15:16] <smartboyhw> Go to http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2012/08/09/%23ubuntustudio-devel.html
[15:17] <smartboyhw> Well, I did.
[15:17] <smartboyhw> Quantal one.
[15:17] <len-dt> ailo, smartboyhw he was lloking for results on 12.04.1 
[15:17] <astraljava> ailo: I'd like to start writing some testcases based on your testing, I got into the team that has access to the tracker testcase admin panel.
[15:17] <len-dt> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/204/builds
[15:18] <smartboyhw> Oh, I don't, astraljava
[15:19] <smartboyhw> astraljava: I did test for Quantal amd64 yesterday
[15:19] <smartboyhw> I will do some 12.04.1 in the coming weeks, don't worry
[15:19] <ailo> astraljava: I'll let you know when the scripts are finished. I also need to document what they do
[15:19] <astraljava> smartboyhw: That's what I was looking at.
[15:20] <smartboyhw> Hmm.... I will file the results of a 12.04.1 build tmr.
[15:20] <smartboyhw> I like 12.10 more, so I didn't do much focus
[15:21] <smartboyhw> ..
[15:21] <len-dt> astraljava, when is the 12.04.1 release date?
[15:22] <smartboyhw> August 23rd
[15:22] <smartboyhw> Beta 1 September 9th
[15:22] <len-dt> I wonder when freeze is then
[15:22] <smartboyhw> Beta 2 Sep 27th
[15:23] <smartboyhw> len-dt: You mean which freeze?
[15:23] <smartboyhw> Yeah! Scott!
[15:23] <len-dt> freeze for 12.04.1
[15:23] <smartboyhw> 12.04.1 FinalFreeze on August 16th.
[15:24] <smartboyhw> !patience
[15:25] <astraljava> len-dt: Anything you're particularly worried about?
[15:25] <smartboyhw> He's worrying about the dev process:)
[15:26] <len-dt> astraljava, not for 12.04 just that I want to know when I can test something that won't change the next day ;P
[15:26] <smartboyhw> len-dt: :)
[15:26] <scott-work> good morning, everyone
[15:26] <len-dt> We haven't really changed anything in 12.04
[15:26] <astraljava> len-dt: Oh, well then you'll likely have to wait until the day before release, or even later. :)
[15:26] <len-dt> gm scott-work 
[15:27] <scott-work> my day has started in a lovely manner. nothing like two hours meetings right off the bat ;)
[15:27] <scott-work> hi len-dt 
[15:27]  * smartboyhw waves at scott-work
[15:27] <scott-work> hi astraljava, i haven't seen you in a while, it's good to see you :)
[15:27] <scott-work> hi smartboyhw 
[15:27] <smartboyhw> scott-work: astraljava took over the daily ISO testing work:)
[15:27] <astraljava> scott-work: Yep, life's crazy.
[15:27] <scott-work> astraljava: mine too, my friend, but apparently i relish the chaos
[15:27] <astraljava> smartboyhw: You're reading that wrong, I most certainly did not.
[15:28] <smartboyhw> ..
[15:28] <scott-work> ooooh, drama!
[15:28] <scott-work> i tuned in at the right time apparently :)
[15:29] <astraljava> smartboyhw: Testing of a distribution is way too vast a task for one person. I'm only going to help in coordinating the quality assurance process. It's very different from "taking over" the testing.
[15:29] <astraljava> scott-work: Nah, just the enthusiasm of the youth, that's all. :)
[15:29] <smartboyhw> scott-work: NO drama.
[15:30] <smartboyhw> astraljava: Yep, you coordinate, I do the testing of 64-bit, len-dt will do the 32-bit.
[15:30] <smartboyhw> ..
[15:30] <smartboyhw> !patience | smartboyhw
[15:31] <len-dt> scott-work, I would really like to see the commits so far uploaded so we can see what they look like.
[15:31] <smartboyhw> Yeah!
[15:32] <len-dt> My guess is that anything for 12.04.1 is considered more important right now though..
[15:32] <smartboyhw> astraljava: Will start doing testing of Precise Builds tmr...
[15:33] <astraljava> smartboyhw: Ok, thanks. Make sure to post the results on the iso tracker.
[15:34] <smartboyhw> OK, I will.
[15:34] <astraljava> I'll try to get some testcase by Beta-1 for QQ, not sure if I'll have time for 12.04.1, though.
[15:34] <astraljava> testcases*
[15:34] <smartboyhw> Can I do some for 12.04.1?
[15:35] <len-dt> astraljava, I think for 12.04.1 we are just looking for regression. We haven't added/changed anything.
[15:35] <smartboyhw> len-dt: So it is actually the original build.
[15:36] <len-dt> smartboyhw, with the changes the default brings in.
[15:36] <astraljava> len-dt: True, but it'd help if we actually gathered a wider testing userbase.
[15:37] <smartboyhw> It's only len-dt, astraljava and me now. Let's ask balloons and phillw to join:)
[15:37] <len-dt> Any package that has been upgraded for precise will show up. There are almost 200 changes.
[15:37] <astraljava> I think the defaults don't apply nearly at all for Studio.
[15:37] <smartboyhw> And of course ailo
[15:38] <astraljava> smartboyhw: They have their hands full of other work, but we have our mailing lists to advertise, which I intend to do when I get more work done on the cases.
[15:38] <scott-work> len-dt: re: uploading commits - we can always see about getting these changes sponsored
[15:39] <len-dt> Who would we go to?
[15:40] <astraljava> -motu, -devel and -release, generally.
[15:40] <scott-work> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Sponsorship/SponsorsQueue
[15:40] <scott-work> len-dt: ^^^
[15:40] <scott-work> i believe we can subscribe ubuntu-sponsors
[15:40] <astraljava> Yes.
[15:40] <scott-work> and then poke in -motu i presume
[15:41] <smartboyhw> astraljava: Which one is the testing mail list?
[15:42] <len-dt> Also, it is my understanding that the script that takes our seeds and make metas does not work right now.
[15:42] <smartboyhw> ...
[15:42] <astraljava> smartboyhw: Those were IRC channels, where we can go and ask once a bug has been filed, or branches updated.
[15:42] <len-dt> smartboyhw, I think it would use -devel.
[15:43] <astraljava> len-dt: Oh? Yes, that should be escalated. Why do you think that?
[15:43] <smartboyhw> Why don't we create a channel #ubuntustudio-testing?
[15:44] <astraljava> smartboyhw: Cause it doesn't generate that much traffic, so the discussion can easily be held here.
[15:44] <smartboyhw> OK. I actually invited balloons to come here:)
[15:44] <astraljava> What for?
[15:45] <smartboyhw> For testing on Ubuntu Studio!
[15:45] <smartboyhw> He only tried Kubuntu,
[15:45] <astraljava> smartboyhw: balloons is not responsible for testing of all flavors.
[15:45] <smartboyhw> I know.
[15:45] <smartboyhw> I'm trying to lure him in...
[15:45] <smartboyhw> Maybe we can get phillw?
[15:47] <smartboyhw> Anyway, will try to test 12.04.1 whil writing for two blogs...:)
[15:47] <smartboyhw> I mean tmr.
[15:47] <len-dt> astraljava, I am confused about the last comment to me. Sorry
[15:48] <astraljava> Well, people have their priorities and interests. Both of them are well aware of the whole ubuntu ecosystem, and most likely would be here if they wanted to. We don't need to try and have everyone who's something in the same places. We'd need to attract new contributors into the community, so that the existing ones won't burn out.
[15:48] <astraljava> len-dt: Why do you think the meta creation isn't working?
[15:48] <smartboyhw> Let me write a letter to the Ubuntu Testing team.
[15:49] <len-dt> micahg said it was. 
[15:49] <astraljava> Oh ok. :) So you don't just think that, then. :)
[15:50] <astraljava> Well if it's known, I'm sure they'll fix it soon-ish.
[15:50] <len-dt> astraljava, I am not sure on the blue prints if commited means done. I had called putting our channel in xchat done.
[15:50] <len-dt> Then found out the way I did it was not the best.
[15:50] <len-dt> So it went from done to in progress
[15:50] <astraljava> len-dt: Usually committed means it's being done, but hasn't yet.
[15:51] <len-dt> astraljava, Ok, that is what I have been doing.
[15:51] <smartboyhw> Don't we have a Ubuntu studio testing team on Launchpad?
[15:52] <len-dt> smartboyhw, we have just been using -devel.
[15:52] <astraljava> Sorry for the lag, I'm on a bus and the "mobile broadband" in here is a joke.
[15:52] <smartboyhw> Someone let me in the devel team!
[15:53] <smartboyhw> I mean this: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-testers
[15:53] <astraljava> smartboyhw: You are already on it.
[15:54] <smartboyhw> I mean on the devel team.
[15:54] <smartboyhw> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-dev
[15:54] <smartboyhw> I am NOT in it.
[15:55] <astraljava> smartboyhw: Please read what I already wrote about that about an hour ago.
[15:56] <smartboyhw> Where's scott?
[15:56] <smartboyhw> I need him to get me in the team...
[15:57] <astraljava> smartboyhw: So far you haven't shown all aspects that go with the membership of that team. Please read again what I wrote, and think about the points.
[15:58] <smartboyhw> astraljava: What are the pre-requirements?
[15:59] <astraljava> smartboyhw: We're glad to see you contributing to the flavor, don't get me wrong. But you have to show that you understand the processes and responsibilities that go with developing a distribution (flavor).
[16:00] <astraljava> smartboyhw: This does not happen over-night. Which is where we come to the patience point.
[16:00] <smartboyhw> !patience | smartboyhw
[16:01] <astraljava> smartboyhw: You can query the bot directly, without having to post all that on the channel for everyone to see. :)
[16:01] <smartboyhw> Sorry, don't know how to use the bot!
[16:03] <smartboyhw> Actually, didn;t we talk about a meeting yesterday?
[16:03] <astraljava> smartboyhw: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat#ubottu
[16:03] <smartboyhw> astraljava: Thanks, but look at my question first. I think len-dt will know more about the question.
[16:04] <astraljava> smartboyhw: Learning to use the documentation on help.u.c and wiki.u.c is a good skill to have when it comes to contributing.
[16:04] <astraljava> smartboyhw: Yes, and I was just handing you information on using the bots.
[16:05] <smartboyhw> astraljava: Didn't len-dt or scott-work tell you that we have called on a meeting on Monda at 12:00UTC?
[16:05] <smartboyhw> I need to go to sleep. Bye!
[16:05] <astraljava> smartboyhw: They don't have to tell me, I am on the channel and I do read the backlog.
[16:06]  * astraljava wipes the sweat off of his forehead.
[16:06] <scott-work> smartboy has been told multiple times that he will not be invited into the -dev team by several people
[16:06] <astraljava> Ok, good to know.
[16:06] <scott-work> and i believe reasons have been given in most occasions
[16:06] <astraljava> No doubt.
[16:07] <scott-work> he and i had a pm discussion where i explain it again :/
[16:07] <astraljava> Sure.
[16:07]  * len-dt has tried to ignore that part..
[16:08] <astraljava> Well I think that was my first and last time.
[16:08] <scott-work> agreed, i shall not do it again
[16:08] <Mish> Sorry for the intrusion but can I know when in October do we have a new release?
[16:09] <astraljava> Mish: All dates are on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QuantalQuetzal/ReleaseSchedule
[16:09] <astraljava> Mish: So you'll see all the milestones as well. :)
[16:10] <Mish> And studio gets released the same day as the other flavours?
[16:10] <astraljava> Yes.
[16:10] <astraljava> ...or that's the plan, anyway.
[16:11] <astraljava> I think we once missed the ETA, but released a few days after.
[16:11] <Mish> ok.. just wanted to say that I'll be busy for a few weeks now, but I'll try to finish all the icon making stuff by mid September
[16:12] <astraljava> Mish: Sure. Are those icons for Studio only?
[16:12] <Mish> yeah
[16:12] <len-dt> astraljava, yes, they are for our extra menu categories
[16:12] <astraljava> Then the freeze exception is a tad easier to get.
[16:12] <Mish> freeze exception?
[16:13] <len-dt> Mish, we are supposed to be beta by mid Sept.
[16:13] <astraljava> Mish: Yeah, feature freeze is 23rd of August. But since it only affects one flavor only, it is very unlikely that they wouldn't get updated.
[16:14] <astraljava> Mish: Don't worry, it happens all the time. Certainly not the first. :)
[16:15] <Mish> Nah no worries here
[16:16] <scott-work> hehe, very true, astraljava ;)
[16:18] <astraljava> scott-work: On a scale from 1 to... being ScottL, how busy are you? Just thought if I should give you a hand and share the load on QA, by posting the -release mails, for instance?
[16:20] <scott-work> astraljava: i'm pretty busy, but i'm getting more time for ubuntu studio, i hope this weekend is the last push for other things
[16:20] <scott-work> astraljava: posting the -release emails would be extremely helpful though
[16:20] <astraljava> scott-work: Alrighty. Just figured, as I'm doing it for Xubuntu, might as well do the similar thing for Studio.
[16:21] <scott-work> astraljava: although i have given some thought to this, i'm wondering if we could "automate" this somewhat or provide a framework to help make it more efficient
[16:21] <scott-work> eh, i have a business lunch meeting to go to now
[16:21] <scott-work> be back in an hour or so
[16:21] <len-dt> astraljava, that would be helpful.
[16:22] <astraljava> scott-work: Generally I gather stuff from mailing lists and IRC channels. Something could be automated, for sure, but it's not all very straight-forward.
[16:22] <astraljava> I'm running out of battery, so will soon drop off and come back later, just a heads-up.
[16:24] <astraljava> What is the status of -lowlatency on PP? Does it need more love for 12.04.1?
[16:24] <astraljava> I remember the stuff scott-work posted a few days ago, but I also seem to recall that the precise part was pretty vague.
[16:26] <len-dt> I have heard that the kernel team will do one kernel.
[16:27] <astraljava> Ok, that's good. Let's wait a while, we have a few days.
[16:28] <len-dt> I think the idea is that they will help train someone wilst they do so.
[16:28] <astraljava> Right. I'm still interested, and I'm sure ailo and scott-work are, too.
[16:28] <len-dt> (cause it hasn't been getting done as it was supposed to.)
[16:28] <astraljava> Yes, true.
[16:29] <astraljava> I remember there was some talk about cooperation when precise was released, but things sort of fell apart.
[16:30] <astraljava> Alright, back later.
[16:31]  * len-dt waves
[18:07] <scott-work> i probably should email the list about the kernel but was waiting for something more definitive from apw, i'll probably poke him this weekend to check up on it
[18:09] <scott-work> but the last thing discussed with apw was:
[18:09] <scott-work> ukt would develop the lowlatency kernel for quantal
[18:09] <scott-work> at some point (presumably before release) UKT will develop procedures for maintenance
[18:10] <scott-work> at release USKT (ubuntu studio kernel team) would be responsible for lowlatency for quantal
[18:10] <scott-work> during the time of developing the procedures, UKT would update lowlatency for precise
[18:48] <len-dt> ailo, I was looking at adds for some high end laptops. And am noticing that some of them come with only USB3 ports or at most 1 USB2 port. Yet there are no USB3 Audio IFs available.
[18:49] <len-dt> It is my understanding that even the plug form factor is different. So USB units will not plug in.
[18:49] <micahg> USB 3 is the same ports as USB 2 AIUI
[18:50] <len-dt> My info might be wrong then. I have also heard some of the USB 2 audio IFs are getting new firmware to work with them
[18:52] <len-dt> The pictures show 9 pins. But it looks like the sub 1&2 pins are still there.
[19:47] <ailo> len-dt: Don't think usb3 is much needed for the kind of devices that are out now, since usb2 has enough performance. Would be gold however, if all devices would adhere to a standard, so that they all work with the same generic driver
[19:48] <ailo> Got myself some more RAM, but my MB wasn't as well supporting as I thought. Seems I'm getting a new MB and Processor as well
[19:48] <knome> heh
[19:48] <ailo> I looked through the specs, and it should have been fine, but no
[19:52] <ailo> No matter. I have an extra power supply, so I can keep the old system as a backup/server
[20:56] <astraljava> scott-work: Ping apw re: precise, it's lagging behind badly. I mean, if you haven't. But thanks, that's how I recalled it going.
[21:11] <astraljava> Downtime for website expected in approx. 7 hours, up to 12 hours. re: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/loco-contacts/2012-August/005922.html
[21:37] <len-dt> ailo, my only concern with USB3 was that it has a different connector. But it appears that is a non-issue.
[21:42] <micahg> astraljava: no, it's next weekend