[06:21] <Kilos> morning all
[08:19] <queery> hi guys
[08:21]  * superfly is enjoying his Kindle Fire
[10:54] <Symmetria> hrm
[10:54] <Symmetria> anyone here happen to have dealership accounts with rectron or pinnacle?
[10:55] <Symmetria> (or any of the other big wholesalers)
[11:18] <Symmetria> hrm, no one awake?
[12:01] <charlvn> hi Symmetria 
[12:01] <charlvn> used to have a rectron dealership but that was like 10 years ago
[12:01] <charlvn> lol
[12:01] <charlvn> hi smile 
[12:01] <charlvn> Maaz: coffee on
[12:01]  * Maaz washes some mugs
[12:03] <smile> hi charlvn :)
[12:03] <smile> :D
[12:03] <charlvn> how's it going
[12:03] <charlvn> hi kodez 
[12:04] <kodez> hi charlvn, how are you
[12:04] <charlvn> i'm good thanks
[12:04] <kodez> greetings everyone
[12:04] <charlvn> just tired, came back from biking around
[12:04] <charlvn> and you?
[12:04] <kodez> i am better than yesterday, thanks for asking.
[12:05] <kodez> I am taking a few minutes break and will be doing JavaScript
[12:05] <charlvn> nice
[12:05] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charlvn!
[12:05] <charlvn> i need to do some python but i need to talk to some java classes so probably going to use jython
[12:05] <charlvn> Maaz: thanks!
[12:05] <Maaz> charlvn: No problem
[12:06] <kodez> I am listening to  SAFM too, and am enjoying Richard Mwamba's show
[12:09] <charlvn> ok lemme put on safm
[12:09] <charlvn> it has been years since i have listened to it
[12:09] <charlvn> internet radio ftw :)
[12:09] <Kilos> hi guys
[12:10] <charlvn> hi Kilos 
[12:10] <charlvn> how's it going
[12:10] <Kilos> frustrated
[12:10] <kodez> no, on radio. i don't have megabytes to listen it online
[12:10] <kodez> hi kilos
[12:10] <Symmetria> heh
[12:10] <Symmetria> got sorted with one
[12:10] <charlvn> lol kodez 
[12:10] <Kilos> even installed win7 to try get modem storage switched off
[12:10] <Symmetria> still choking at the price of his machine
[12:10] <Kilos> doesnt work either
[12:10] <Kilos> grrr
[12:11] <charlvn> modem storage?!
[12:11] <charlvn> what exactly are you trying to do Kilos 
[12:11] <Kilos> yeah modeswitch doesnt switch the thing so nm can see it
[12:12] <Kilos> wvdial doesnt even work
[12:12] <Kilos> only sakis3g but then mail and mxit not working
[12:12] <Kilos> grrr
[12:13] <charlvn> ok listening to safm but some really crappy music on right now
[12:13] <CanStudy> buy a new modem?
[12:13] <Kilos> the kill command for modem manager is sudo killall modem-manager hey?
[12:13] <Kilos> CanStudy, no man it works on maverick and natty
[12:14] <Kilos> and on winsucks
[12:14] <CanStudy> :-S
[12:14] <Symmetria> lol
[12:14] <Symmetria> someone look at this machine specs
[12:14] <Symmetria> and tell me if I forgot anything
[12:14] <Symmetria> http://valhalla.clue.be/~vort/quote.pdf
[12:14] <Symmetria> (already have the keyboard/mouse/dvd writer)
[12:14] <charlvn> Symmetria: taking a look
[12:15] <Symmetria> :P dont die when you see the price
[12:15] <Kilos> Symmetria, the comfy chair to sit on
[12:15] <charlvn> it's on a belgian domain but the price is in rands?
[12:15] <Symmetria> charlvn I just copied it there :)
[12:15] <CanStudy> o_o
[12:15] <Symmetria> and yes, I threw in a copy of windows 7 in there because my parents need a legit copy :P
[12:16] <CanStudy> you forgot the defibrillator that you'll need to revive him with when he sees the price :<
[12:16] <charlvn> Symmetria: i see most of the cost is just the cpu and gpu
[12:16] <charlvn> but not too unreasonable for a high end machine
[12:16] <Symmetria> heh the gpu, cpu and the cost of the ram
[12:16] <charlvn> still does look a little expensive though
[12:17] <Symmetria> the psu is also pushing up the price
[12:17] <Symmetria> charlvn heh, thats dealer pricing sadly, you dont wanna see the quotes I had for the same from a normal computer store :p
[12:17] <charlvn> oh no this music on safm is so bad it's killing me, closing the stream
[12:17] <charlvn> i can never remember that safm used to have such bad music in the past
[12:17] <Symmetria> heh charlvn that gpu in there is... completely sick :)
[12:18] <Symmetria> there is nothing on the market that can touch that
[12:18] <charlvn> lol yeah i bet
[12:18] <charlvn> for that price it better be :P
[12:18] <charlvn> way too high end for me, i bought my new laptop at 400 euro
[12:20] <Kilos> charlvn, try 702 on sat and sundays
[12:21] <Kilos> or jacaranda
[12:21] <charlvn> ok lemme see
[12:21] <charlvn> oh yeah talk radio, nice
[12:21] <Symmetria> wtf is with 5fm and their music choice lately 
[12:21] <Symmetria> they need to die 
[12:21] <Kilos> 702 has golden oldies weekends after 10am
[12:21] <Symmetria> algoa aint 2 bad when im driving, but most of the time I do internet radio from my amp
[12:22] <Symmetria> (thats probably the best feature of my amp, the fact that it downloads and offers you 2.5k internet radio stations ordered by genre, name, language, location or anything else)
[12:23] <charlvn> weird, i opened the 702 stream in vlc and all i'm getting is the intro
[12:23] <charlvn> in a loop even
[12:24] <charlvn> jacaranda works nicely though
[12:24] <charlvn> oh they have a flash player
[12:25] <charlvn> a friend of mine uses satellite radio
[12:25] <charlvn> in his car
[12:27] <Kilos> charlvn, you didnt tell me if that killall is right for modem manager
[12:27] <charlvn> oh no bad music now on jacaranda too
[12:27] <charlvn> bah switching to veronica
[12:27] <charlvn> Kilos: sorry i have no idea, it's been a while since i've used a 3g modem
[12:27] <Kilos> saw one link where they said kill modem manager then nm will see usb modem
[12:28] <Kilos> man modem manager kill not 3g modem
[12:28] <CanStudy> I use a 3G modem in 12.04 without any hassles :-S
[12:28] <Kilos> lol i cant find the site where i read that
[12:28] <CanStudy> well, it doesn't detect on startup, but after disabling and enabling networking it's fine
[12:29] <Kilos> how you do that CanStudy 
[12:29] <Kilos> oh i tried that
[12:29] <CanStudy> press alt
[12:29] <CanStudy> oh
[12:29] <Kilos> no diffs
[12:29] <CanStudy> :<
[12:30] <charlvn> oh no even veronica has bad music today
[12:30] <charlvn> what the heck is going on on a saturday with the radio
[12:30] <charlvn> ok, grooveshark time :)
[12:30] <Kilos> what does that alt thing do i see it says command
[12:30] <CanStudy> just a menu
[12:30] <CanStudy> type stuff in there
[12:30] <Kilos> is it a terminal
[12:30] <CanStudy> type "net"
[12:31] <CanStudy> the available commands differ depending on what program is open
[12:31] <CanStudy> it's called the "HUD"
[12:31] <CanStudy> quite useful if you don't like your mouse (like me) and don't know many keyboard shortcuts
[12:32] <Kilos> doesnt show hud
[12:32] <CanStudy> ?
[12:54] <Kilos> hmmm sudo gnome-ppp works
[12:55] <Kilos> now to try find how to make it auto restart
[13:44] <Kilos-> hi Trixar_za 
[13:44] <Trixar_za> Hey Kilos-
[13:45] <Kilos> saki let me down today again
[13:45] <Kilos> no email and mxit
[13:45] <Kilos> yet it worked last night
[13:45] <Kilos> hows things your side
[13:45] <Kilos> im using gnome-ppp now
[13:46] <Kilos> but gnome-ppp also no email or mxit
[13:46] <Kilos> maybe i must do a fresh install
[13:46] <Trixar_za> Weird
[13:47] <Kilos> i even tried the win7 trip
[13:47] <Kilos> hehe
[13:47] <Kilos> what a pain
[13:47] <Trixar_za> What does ls -l /etc/resolv.conf say?
[13:47] <Kilos> sec i see
[13:48] <Kilos> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 29 Aug  7 14:56 /etc/resolv.conf -> ../run/resolvconf/resolv.conf
[13:48] <Kilos> hehe does that mean something to you
[13:49] <Trixar_za> Just that anybody can use and write to it
[13:49] <Kilos> or will it still give an answer
[13:49] <Trixar_za> It's what your system uses to resolve domain names to IPs
[13:49] <Trixar_za> so you can connect to stuff
[13:51] <Kilos> oh it doesnt go look for conflicts and fix them
[13:52] <Trixar_za> brenton@trixarian:~$ cat /etc/resolv.conf
[13:52] <Trixar_za> nameserver 196.43.34.190
[13:52] <Trixar_za> nameserver 196.43.46.190
[13:52] <Trixar_za> should look something like that
[13:52] <Kilos> i need a tool that can do that
[13:52] <Kilos> oh my
[13:53] <Kilos> ill run it again
[13:53] <Trixar_za> Sometimes ppp has an error in it that changed /etc/resolv.conf permission so only root can use it. Which makes stuff not work
[13:53] <Trixar_za> changes*
[13:53] <Kilos> ah
[13:53] <Trixar_za> Well, it works, but only for root
[13:53] <Trixar_za> Which is why I asked
[13:54] <Symmetria> god
[13:54] <Symmetria> my parents are so clueless as to what stuff is worth these days
[13:54] <Kilos> so is root got control here
[13:54] <Symmetria> I asked my dad if I could borrow a pair of cuff links to use on a dress shirt I had
[13:54] <Trixar_za> No, your resolv.conf file is open to everybody, so it's probably not that
[13:54] <Symmetria> so he's like, yeah, I got these for my 21st, they probably pretty crappy, but you can have em, I've never used em in 47 years of having em
[13:55] <Symmetria> .... he thought they were worth like 100 bux...
[13:55] <Symmetria> I was like... dad... those are *gold* and they have fancy inlays... and thats dress jewellery, thats gonna be worth a fortune, he's like, bullshit
[13:55] <Symmetria> so I went and checked at the jeweler...
[13:55] <Symmetria> 45 thousand bux :p
[13:56] <Symmetria> he almost died
[13:56] <Symmetria> :p
[13:56] <Trixar_za> >.>
[13:56]  * Trixar_za swipes
[13:57] <Symmetria> heh
[13:58] <Symmetria> parents are just clueless as to the price of things these days
[13:58] <Symmetria> like, LOL, someone broke in and stole my moms wedding ring and engagement ring and some other jewelery
[13:58] <Symmetria> and shes like, dammit, probably about 10 grands worth
[13:58] <Symmetria> puts in an insurance claim...
[13:58] <Symmetria> insurance comes back and says, we wont pay cash, you gotta go actually buy replacements, but we've told the jeweler you have 95 thousand bux to spend
[13:58] <Symmetria> LOL
[13:59] <Symmetria> haha so she got a new enagement ring and locked it in my safe and has never worn it cause she's 2 scared to wear it
[14:04] <charlvn> lol it's the insane inflation
[14:05] <Kilos> hmm
[14:10] <Symmetria> lol
[14:10] <Symmetria> its like my parents dining room table
[14:10] <Symmetria> I told my dad, get that thing insurance assessed, you have no idea what its worth
[14:11] <Symmetria> he's like, its a fuckin wooden table, how much can it possibly be worth
[14:11] <Symmetria> Im like, errr, THATS STINKWOOD, you cant even legally chop down stinkwood trees anymore, the only reason that table is legal is because its old 
[14:11] <Symmetria> he's like fine, get it assessed
[14:11] <Symmetria> ... 100 grand table :p
[14:11] <Symmetria> he's like "Maybe I should sell it?!"
[14:12] <Symmetria> Im like, since you're always broke, maybe thats a good idea :p
[14:14] <charlvn> hahaha
[14:14] <charlvn> what's up with all these farming games
[14:14] <Kilos> Symmetria, you talking bout these kinda things
[14:14] <Kilos> http://imageshack.us/content_round.php?page=done&l=img571/4987/image0031t.jpg
[14:14] <charlvn> why don't people go live on a real farm if they are so desperate to grow stuff
[14:15] <Kilos> they kinda heavy
[14:15] <charlvn> Kilos: what is that? gold cufflinks?
[14:15] <Kilos> i think so
[14:16] <Kilos> do they have stamps on somewhere like rings?
[14:18] <Kilos> all i find is anson pat pend
[14:19] <Kilos> now where is Symmetria 
[14:21] <Kilos> he get my thinktank going and now disappears
[14:22] <Kilos> maybe if im lucky i can get a plane ticket outa them bits and pieces
[14:28] <Kilos> Symmetria, ping
[15:01] <charlvn> Kilos: i think you will need to take them to a jeweler to get an reasonable estimate of how they are worth
[15:01] <charlvn> *how much
[15:01] <Kilos> ah ty
[15:02] <Kilos> just wanted to know if thats the kinda stuff he is talking about
[15:02] <Kilos> or are his very different
[15:04] <charlvn> yeah, sorry i'm pretty useless in this regard, i own no jewelry
[15:08] <Kilos> me neither till now
[15:08] <Kilos> lol
[15:08] <Kilos> just remembered heirloom stuff
[15:09] <Kilos> im pretty without jewelery on
[15:10] <Kilos> nuvolari, jou heli is moeg nou
[15:26] <Squirm> hello
[15:26] <Kilos> hi Squirm 
[15:56] <Kilos> hi psydroid 
[15:56] <psydroid> hi Kilos
[15:57] <psydroid> hi Squirm
[16:11] <Kilos> bb a bitlater
[16:22] <smile> hi :)
[17:08] <Kilos> shame poor sharks gotta play in penguin weather
[17:18]  * Squirm shrugs
[17:18] <Squirm> They'll win anyway
[17:18] <Kilos> i hope so
[17:18] <Kilos> weather very sucky there in fly valley
[17:25] <smile> Kilos: :DD
[17:25] <smile> http://nl.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Aircrack-ng&diff=32277915&oldid=31714999
[17:26] <Kilos> yo smile 
[17:27] <smile> you like my edit? :)
[17:28] <Kilos> i didnt go look
[17:28] <Kilos> looking rugger and thinking what to make for supper
[17:29] <Kilos> Maaz, whats for supper
[17:29] <Maaz> A nice thick homemade  oxtail and vegetable soup for starters and then Spaghetti bolognaise
[17:29] <Kilos> hmmm soupd would be good now
[17:29] <smile> Kilos: ok :p
[17:30] <Kilos> whats it about smile??
[17:35] <smile> Kilos: I've written that :) Wanted to know if you like it :p
[17:35] <smile> there is one image on that page
[17:35] <Kilos> lol
[17:35] <Kilos> what is it about
[17:38] <Kilos> why didnt you write it in english man
[17:38] <Kilos> or zulu
[17:39] <Kilos> something about security of wireless networks
[17:39] <Kilos> ?
[17:47] <charlvn> lol Kilos, the wikipedia is international
[17:48] <Kilos> ya but why get me to read dutch
[17:49] <Kilos> more english speakers in the word
[17:49] <Kilos> world as well
[17:49] <charlvn> yeah this is a question for #ubuntu-nl more than for this channel
[17:49] <charlvn> smile: good edit though
[17:49] <Kilos> hehe
[17:50] <Kilos> he likes to rattle my brain
[17:52] <smile> charlvn: thanks :)
[17:52] <smile> ^^
[17:52] <smile> charlvn: or #wikipedia-nl
[17:52] <smile> but they're dead over there
[17:52] <smile> :p
[17:53] <charlvn> hehe
[17:54] <charlvn> Maaz: coffee on
[17:54]  * Maaz washes some mugs
[17:54] <smile> charlvn: are you addicted to coffee ;)
[17:54] <charlvn> yup and tea
[17:55] <charlvn> we should learn Maaz to make tea
[17:55] <Kilos> he can
[17:55] <Kilos> kinda
[17:55] <charlvn> smile: do you know teekanne?
[17:55] <Kilos> Maaz, tea please
[17:55] <Maaz> As soon as the kettle boils I will pour boiling water into your cup if you have the tea bag in already
[17:55] <charlvn> ah nice
[17:57] <smile> charlvn: where you put tea in? :p
[17:57] <Squirm> Maaz: coffee please
[17:57] <Maaz> Squirm: Done
[17:57] <charlvn> smile: lol no i mean the german company that produces herbal teas
[17:57] <charlvn> good stuff
[17:57] <charlvn> i drink it at work
[17:58] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charlvn and Squirm!
[17:58] <charlvn> Maaz: thanks
[17:58] <Maaz> charlvn: No problem
[17:58] <Squirm> yeeee
[17:58]  * Squirm sips
[18:00] <smile> charlvn: oh :D ^^ no, don't know them
[18:00] <smile> :)
[18:00] <charlvn> smile: http://www.teekanne.de/
[18:02] <smile> I see :) german, easy understandable ^^
[18:03] <smile> the woman on the cover is ugly, charlvn :p
[18:03] <Kilos> you guys get rooibos there charlvn smile 
[18:03] <smile> I'm sure it's because of the tea :)
[18:04] <Kilos> hi not_found 
[18:05] <not_found> hey unlce Kilos 
[18:05] <Kilos> we found you, you can become neelsie again
[18:05] <not_found> :)
[18:05] <smile> ;)
[18:05] <Kilos> hahaha
[18:06] <Kilos> dag Neelsie gaan dit goed daar in die warm plek
[18:06] <Squirm> oh look at that
[18:06] <Squirm> it's time
[18:06] <Squirm> bbl
[18:07] <Neelsie> Yup. Vriend het gister aand geland, begin nou ook hoer saam met my werk (wel, in 'n paar dae)
[18:07] <Kilos> aha
[18:07] <charlvn> Kilos: yes it's the base for some of the teekanne teas actually, "rotbusch" they call it in german
[18:07] <Kilos> betaal daai arabiere so goed
[18:07] <charlvn> Kilos: you can also buy rooibos in most dutch shops except they rarely sell it plainly, usually with added herbs/spices/aromas
[18:08] <Neelsie> Better than SA in any case (but not enough I feel somedays)
[18:08] <Kilos> ah very healthy charlvn 
[18:08] <Kilos> they still doing reserch on it and found lots more it is good for
[18:08] <charlvn> Neelsie: lol you said "hoer" instead of "hier"
[18:08] <Kilos> research
[18:08] <charlvn> easy mistake
[18:09] <charlvn> smile: haha, nah just a bad choice of model
[18:09] <Neelsie> charlvn: sorry about that... when in front of a PC I can't think in any language but english
[18:09] <smile> charlvn: well I think so
[18:10] <smile> :p
[18:10] <Kilos> lolol
[18:10] <charlvn> smile: the model probably never even drinks the tea herself :P
[18:10] <charlvn> Neelsie: haha!
[18:11] <charlvn> Krokodil: are you the infamous "groot krokodil"? before he died he used to live there in wilderness close to where i used to live
[18:11] <Krokodil> awesome
[18:11] <Krokodil> only related
[18:11] <Krokodil> got to go... be back later all :)
[18:11] <Kilos> toods lad
[18:12] <charlvn> smile: in case you are wondering what that was about: http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pieter_Willem_Botha
[18:13] <smile> charlvn: thanks :) lot of text ^^
[18:13] <smile> Pieter Willem Botha, P.W. of die Groot Krokodil (Paul Roux (Vrystaat) 12 Januarie 1916 - Wildernis naby George, 31 Oktober 2006) was van 1978 tot 1984 Eerste Minister en van 1984 tot 1989 staatspresident van Suid-Afrika. Van 1978 tot 1989 was hy ook leier van die Nasionale Party. :)
[18:13] <charlvn> feel free to tl;dr, you just need to read the first paragraph to get the reference
[18:13] <smile> Die Afrikaanse bladsy kan ek ook verstaan :)
[18:14] <charlvn> nice, but when i google i always get the dutch version first
[18:14] <charlvn> google's geolocation
[18:15] <charlvn> btw where is inetpro hiding these days, he is extremely silent
[18:15] <charlvn> i miss him around here
[18:15] <Kilos> he said he gonna be very busy for 2 weeks
[18:16] <charlvn> ah i see
[18:16] <Kilos> work school and kids i think
[18:18] <charlvn> talking about tea, there is this german instant lemon tea i drink made by this company: http://krueger-company.com/
[18:19] <charlvn> i can't help but think about this guy when i drink it: http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Kruger
[18:20] <charlvn> there is actually a restaurant in NL named after him: http://www.paulkruger.nl/
[18:21] <charlvn> anyway, bbl
[18:21] <Kilos> k
[18:34] <smile> bye :)
[18:35] <Kilos> sleep tight smile 
[18:36] <smile> thanks :)
[18:43] <Guest9431> ey yall
[18:44] <Kilos> hi Guest9431 
[18:44] <Kilos> this is a linux ubuntu help channel
[18:45] <Kilos> if you need help feel free to ask your question
[18:51] <zeref> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/08/ubuntu-12-10-may-ship-with-older-but-more-featured-nautilus
[18:51] <zeref> hmm, interesting
[18:52] <Kilos> wish it would ship with an old nm and modeswitch that works
[19:04] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[21:27] <Kilos> sigh
[21:28] <Kilos> just dida clean install of 12.04. from the cd nm connects as before. after reboot no mobile broadband
[21:28] <Kilos> cli
[21:29] <Kilos> why arent you all asleep yet