[00:15] <cr1st0> what partition xubuntu(linux) have and what are they for?
[00:24] <drc> http://askubuntu.com/questions/75754/deciding-partitions-and-sizes-on-ubuntu-11-10-dual-boot-windows-7
[00:26] <cr1st0> ty
[00:26] <drc> np
[01:14] <martinphone> i have 2GB RAM and sometimes my laptop freezes: on a most apps used simultaneously scenario I may have: transmission, firefox, kega fusion, google earth and a wine app
[01:15] <martinphone> would 8GB RAM be enough or should I aim to 16?
[01:15] <martinphone> add FGFS to that
[01:15] <cr1st0> i think one gb ram would be enough
[01:16] <martinphone> then what could be wrong with my machine? it freezes for some seconds after I close kegafusion
[01:17] <Unit193> Swapping out could be the reason, I have that with FF on some pages/large amount of tabs.
[01:18] <martinphone> i do too have large ammounts of open tabs, would buying more GB RAM add more swap?
[01:18] <martinphone> or, do I have to buy swap separately?
[01:18] <Unit193> Swap is "fake" ram on disk.
[01:18] <Unit193> !swap
[01:18] <Unit193> More ram *should* help.
[01:18] <martinphone> but swap memory depends on the ammount of RAM you have...
[01:19] <Maccer> Are you using a 64-bit kernel or 32-bit?
[01:19] <martinphone> !ubuntu
[01:19] <martinphone> 64
[01:20] <Maccer> Well, for 64-bit, 1 GB is a little low.  Managable, but a little low.  With xchat, skype, xmms (music player), a few virtual terminals, I'm using 800MB.
[01:20] <martinphone> Maccer, i have 2GB, for less than 50 euros I can upgrade to 8GB
[01:21] <Maccer> Firefox and its flash plugin might be hogging up a lot of memory.
[01:21] <martinphone> is it worth it?
[01:21] <martinphone> also, I sometimes play commodore games
[01:21] <Maccer> Hrm.  Did you check how much memory you even use anyways?  Using task manager or htop?
[01:21] <Maccer> I mean, how much memory you're using.
[01:21] <martinphone> ram? around 46% last time I checked
[01:22] <martinphone> cpu 15% ram 71%
[01:22] <Maccer> Keep it open.  It will daemonize, and you can just put your cursor over the icon, and it will tell you how much your computer ate.
[01:22] <martinphone> memory 71%, not ram (if its not the same)
[01:23] <Maccer> Well, when it starts freezing, take a look at it.  When it starts using SWAP then you could have slow downs because it's reading and writing to your hard-drive
[01:23] <martinphone> but if my machine freezes every time I open google earth, it means I need more ram, dont I?
[01:23] <Maccer> How would I know?  Again, check how much memory it uses
[01:24] <Maccer> You could also use the 32-bit version which could half your memory usage at a very, very small cost of performance.
[01:24] <Maccer> (Roughly half)
[01:25] <martinphone> ic
[01:27] <martinphone> oh, and every time I play a movie bigger than 700MB and I move the mouse after the first half hour, it freezes too, thats very annoying
[01:28] <Maccer> What's your processor model?
[01:28] <martinphone> intel centrino 2, does that answer the question?
[01:28] <Maccer> Depending on the encoding, your processor could be straining itself.  Check the CPU usage.  And if it's a big file that requires a lot of streaming, it could be taking a hit on disk performance.
[01:29] <martinphone> mkv
[01:29] <Maccer> Er, roughly.  Dual core?  I think it should handle it, but then again... oh.  MKV is quite hefty.
[01:29] <Maccer> Any specific video codec?
[01:30] <martinphone> noob here doesnt understand the question
[01:30] <drc> martinphone: I'd install htop (I feel it's better than Task Manager)...open it (it's a terminal app), watch the Mem/Swap and processor data as you open/use/close apps.
[01:30] <cr1st0> i installed xubuntu dual boot with windows it completed the install rebooted and doesnt do nothing now
[01:30] <cr1st0> the grub menu don't appear
[01:31] <Maccer> Does it boot into windows?  Do you remember roughly what install option you chose, cr1st0?
[01:32] <drc> martinphone: And if you have 1gig EAM, 64 bit and using all thos apps, I'm not surprised things are slow
[01:32] <Maccer> He says he has 2.
[01:32] <drc> ah
[01:32] <Maccer> martinphone:  Point is, find some tools that will measure your computer performance (disk i/o, cpu, ram) when you start getting performance issues.
[01:32] <drc> Like I said, htop work great for me
[01:33] <Maccer> I rarely hit 2GB until I open up firefox on my system.
[01:33] <cr1st0> i chosed the 50/50 install it asks lunch startup repair or start windows normaly
[01:33] <cr1st0> start windows normaly reboots
[01:33] <martinphone> drc, is it enough with writting htop?
[01:34] <martinphone> in the terminal, once installed
[01:34] <drc> martinphone: I don't understand the question
[01:35] <martinphone> drc, installed it, found its webpage, didnt find instructions regarding how to use it
[01:35] <Maccer> Just type in 'htop'
[01:35] <Maccer> It also creates an entry in the application menu
[01:35] <drc> martinphone: open term, type htop
[01:35] <Maccer> cr1st0: I'm not sure what the 50/50 install is.  But are you saying grub doesn't appear and it boots to windows instead?  I'm not sure I understand.
[01:36] <martinphone> moran me didnt see it
[01:37] <cr1st0> appears the windows error recovery
[01:38] <Maccer> cr1st0:  Does it allow you to boot into windows?
[01:38] <cr1st0> no it reboot and appear wondows error recovery again
[01:38] <cr1st0> should i make the recovery ?
[01:40] <Maccer> You could attempt.  I have to go soon now, maybe you could ask on #ubuntu.  They could help too.
[01:40] <cr1st0> ok
[01:40] <Maccer> I'll be back in about an hour.  Always here PST.
[04:01] <Maccer> So have you guys heard of the custom actions menu in Thunar?
[04:52] <Earthwolf> hello guys I have a question. When using the xubuntu x64 live dvd, my monitor and all display modes work, however once installed it will not pick up my monitor
[04:52] <Earthwolf> what is the issue?
[04:52] <TrollingForSoup> Hm...
[04:52] <Earthwolf> runnin 12.04 lts
[04:53] <TrollingForSoup> I've never heard of issues with detecting displays in Ubuntu...
[04:53] <TrollingForSoup> At least, not with single displays.
[04:54] <Earthwolf> maybe this will help. I'm running an old Radeon 2400 pro. If I install drivers my screen will not pick up the resolution for some reason. I think it defaults to HDMI but since its an old CRT monitor I cannot get it to work proplerly
[04:55] <TrollingForSoup> Do the default drivers work?
[04:55] <TrollingForSoup> Or do you need the specific ones?
[04:56] <Earthwolf> IDK when I install the Xorg or restricted drivers it does the same thing. Well as current I have no 3d accel because i do not have drivers installed at all
[04:59] <clear`> Hey guys, I recently replaced my laptop battery, now the battery light is blinking when ubuntu starts up. When I view the battery settings, it shows the % charge but does not show Vendor, Energy full design, energy full, voltage or serial
[04:59] <Earthwolf> like If I install drivers the video card will work on the loading screen after reboot, but when I get to the login screen all goes black and Monitor says no signal
[05:01] <TrollingForSoup> Weird...
[05:01] <Earthwolf> I'll try to install again, set settings before reboot if possible
[08:52] <xubuntu115> I'm installing xubuntu on a usb stick. My machine does have a sdd. At next boot it will recognize the usb correctly or will mess with the machine internal disk?
[08:52] <xubuntu115> sorry -- "At boot, the USB stick's xubuntu will recognize the usb"
[08:53] <TheSheep> xubuntu115: sdd?
[08:54] <xubuntu115> ssd*
[08:54] <TheSheep> xubuntu115: as long as you don't tell it to install on it, the livecd (or live usb, in this case) will leave all other media alone
[08:55] <xubuntu115> It is not a live usb, I think -- I'm using the install wizard that pops up when booting off a live cd
[08:56] <TheSheep> that may not boot
[08:58] <xubuntu115> really? duh
[08:58] <TheSheep> also, it will try to install GRUB, and will ask you where it should install it -- then one of the options might be your ssd, so it's one moment where it may write something to it
[08:59] <TheSheep> of course it will ask
[09:02] <blagovest1> hi
[09:02] <blagovest1> can you pls tell me
[09:02] <blagovest1> how to
[09:02] <blagovest1> install bulgarian and chinese keyboard layouts
[09:02] <blagovest1> in xubuntu?
[09:09] <xubuntu115> okay, thank you
[09:27] <xubuntu168> hi
[15:02] <cr1st0> what is the best xubuntu app to put xubuntu in one pen drive?
[15:04] <holstein> cr1st0: you want xubuntu installed on a USB stick?.. you can do "persistent live" installs... you can just put a live instance over on the USB with unetbootin or any of the ubuntu specific tools
[15:04] <holstein> if i want live persistence, i just install to the USB stick
[15:05] <holstein> to presicely answer your question, "best" depends on what you want exactly
[15:06] <cr1st0> i wanna put xubuntu in one pen to install booting from the pen
[15:06] <holstein> cr1st0: there are other tools, but unetbootin always works for me
[15:09] <Kingsy> anyone having problems with apt-get? it just says "waiting for headers" when I try to do sudo apt-get update
[15:12] <holstein> Kingsy: this is what i was thinking http://askubuntu.com/questions/156650/apt-get-update-very-slow-stuck-at-waiting-for-headers
[15:15] <Kingsy> that fixed it.. looks like I had the wrong server for my repos
[15:47] <Kingsy> holstein: thanks
[18:19] <xubuntu807> whats the difference between the regular and alternate installer?
[18:20] <xubuntu807> alternate is text only
[18:20] <TrollingForSoup> And so a smaller ISO.
[18:22] <xubuntu807> by only 4 megs   :)
[18:23] <xubuntu807> and thats what was confusing
[18:25] <drc> xubuntu807: Here's what ubuntu has to say: "The text-based installer is for computers that can’t run the graphical interface-based installer, either because they don’t meet the minimum requirements for the live CD or because they require extra configuration before the graphical desktop can be used."
[18:26] <Sysi> I trust alt installer more than GUI one
[18:28] <drc> ncurse you Sysi :)
[18:29] <Myrtti> alt allow disk encryption at installation
[18:30] <Sysi> and creation on raid arrays and use of LVM and uses less RAM
[19:01] <Joshun> hi
[19:01] <Joshun> where has the bulk rename gone in thunar?
[19:02] <drc> Joshun: right mouse click, <RENAME>
[19:02] <Joshun> oooh
[19:02] <drc> Also under Edit
[19:02] <Joshun> so it isn't a separate app any more then
[19:02] <Joshun> thanks
[19:03] <drc> nope
[19:04] <drc> We ate all the Catfish I guess :)
[19:05] <xubuntu128> hi !
[19:07] <xubuntu128> I may have a problem using Xubuntu...
[19:08] <Joshun> xubuntu128 - what exactly? don't ask to ask, just ask
[19:08] <xubuntu128> ok
[19:09] <xubuntu128> After USB installation I found out that the boot partition was located on sdb1 (the key), and can't move it =/
[19:10] <xubuntu128> if you have any leads, thanks =)
[19:10] <Joshun> is it a uefi install?
[19:10] <Joshun> sometimes they require separate /boot partitions
[19:10] <xubuntu128> yes -used unetbootin (or at least I think so)
[19:10] <Joshun> although you probably just selected the wrong device on installation
[19:11] <Joshun> if you load up a livecd
[19:11] <xubuntu128> ok
[19:11] <Joshun> and run:
[19:11] <Joshun> sudo grub-install /dev/sdX
[19:11] <xubuntu128> Saw it on "more options
[19:11] <Joshun> X is probably an a
[19:11] <Joshun> assuming it is your primary hard disk
[19:11] <xubuntu128> ok
[19:12] <xubuntu128> I need to create a small partition for sda1 to boot, right ?
[19:12] <Joshun> you don't have to use uefi mode for booting, you can still use a traditional mbr I think
[19:13] <Joshun> though I don't have the hardware to actually test this
[19:13] <Joshun> is grub-efi installed?
[19:13] <David-A> xubuntu128: when working with sda, sdb, sdc, etc, check that the device is what you think it is, it may change over boots when devices are installed/removed
[19:13] <xubuntu128> no
[19:13] <xubuntu128> (yes, sdb1 was the USB key)
[19:14] <Joshun> do you know how to chroot?
[19:14] <xubuntu128> I'm a rookie, sorry =/
[19:14] <Joshun> are you on the livecd now?
[19:14] <xubuntu128> yes
[19:14] <Joshun> ok
[19:15] <xubuntu128> running installation 2nd time
[19:15] <Joshun> open the file manager
[19:15] <xubuntu128> ok
[19:15] <Joshun> and navigate to your installed linux partition
[19:15] <Joshun> it will probably say 'xxxGB filesystem'
[19:15] <Joshun> at the side
[19:15] <xubuntu128> I see it
[19:16] <Joshun> now if you press Control-L
[19:16] <Joshun> it should pop up with the full path to the mounted HD
[19:16] <xubuntu128> ok
[19:16] <Joshun> if you copy that
[19:16] <xubuntu128> actually asking for a path
[19:16] <Joshun> does it display the path?
[19:17] <xubuntu128> "/home/xubuntu" ?
[19:17] <Joshun> must have selected the wrong location
[19:17] <xubuntu128> ok
[19:17] <Joshun> at the sidebar, what do you see?
[19:17] <xubuntu128> file system
[19:17] <xubuntu128> path "/"
[19:17] <Joshun> are there any other entries there?
[19:18] <xubuntu128> oh, bin, root..
[19:18] <Joshun> in the sidebar that is
[19:18] <xubuntu128> file system (7... gb)
[19:18] <xubuntu128> network
[19:18] <Joshun> ok
[19:18] <xubuntu128> trashbin
[19:18] <Joshun> if you click filesystem (7...gb)
[19:18] <xubuntu128> that's the key
[19:19] <Joshun> what about your hard disk?
[19:19] <Joshun> does it not show up
[19:19] <xubuntu128> yes, but indicates path "/"
[19:20] <xubuntu128> oh wait
[19:20] <xubuntu128> don't waste your time, I'll try with a CD
[19:20] <Joshun> drc - btw, do you know how to do this for a lot of files? it seems to crash thunar
[19:20] <Joshun> ^bulk renaming that is
[19:21] <xubuntu128> I don't want to disturb, a disk will be easiest I'm sure =)
[19:21] <xubuntu128> thanks a lot though
[19:21] <xubuntu128> have a good day !
[19:21] <Joshun> would reinstalling be an option for you?
[19:22] <Joshun> since you have only just done it anyway
[19:22] <xubuntu128> yes, actually the disk is empty
[19:22] <xubuntu128> not a problem =)
[19:22] <Joshun> it should hopefully just work
[19:22] <Joshun> I think uefi is autodetected
[19:22] <xubuntu128> liveCD are sometimes the best option =)
[19:23] <Joshun> I would test this, just don't have the hardware at the moment (even my fairly new netbook still has a normal BIOS)
[19:23] <xubuntu128> I have tried with Ubuntu 12.04, worked just fine
[19:24] <Joshun> you probably just selected sdb instead of sda or something like that
[19:24] <xubuntu128> maybe there's a CD-RW remaining somewhere
[19:24] <xubuntu128> thanks again, and goodbye ! =)
[19:24] <Joshun> if in doubt, you can always run commands like sudo fdisk -l or parted -l to show the disks before the install
[19:24] <Joshun> hope it works :)
[19:24] <xubuntu128> yep
[19:24] <David-A> xubuntu128: you will be back if problems, will you be back if success? :)
[19:25] <xubuntu128> I can come back if I succeed =)
[19:25] <xubuntu128> see you !
[20:11] <xubuntu573> hi ! this is "xubuntu138", back again !
[20:12] <xubuntu573> successfully installed Xubuntu =)
[20:12] <aquix> congrtatulations :)
[20:12] <xubuntu573> imgburn is a very useful software to make a liveD
[20:12] <xubuntu573> CD*
[20:13] <xubuntu573> now, I'll try to install it to a LOT of people
[20:14] <xubuntu573> using it on this computer, installed it on several friends computer
[20:14] <xubuntu573> Xubuntu - also all linux distribs - deserves to expand =)
[20:15] <xubuntu573> well, I leave you
[20:15] <xubuntu573> goodbye !
[22:12] <p01nt3r> good evening. got a problem with firefox/xubuntu/10.04. swf-buttons and videos are not shown in firefox. how can i fix that?
[22:15] <David-A> p01nt3r: couple of questions: have it worked before on the same system? what graphics card? have you installed *restricted-extras or flashplugin-installer? what flashplayer version?
[22:17] <p01nt3r> David-A, flashplayer-version is newest from adobe-website. did never work on that system. card is a quadro nvs 400.
[22:19] <p01nt3r> could it be the problem, if i got the libflashplayer.so in too many folders?
[22:19] <p01nt3r> and - where does it have to be?
[22:20] <David-A> p01nt3r: it is installed in the right places by *restricted-extras or flashplugin-installer, no problem if there are copies in more places.
[22:20] <p01nt3r> hmm
[22:21] <David-A> p01nt3r: or did you download from adobe yourself and unpacked and copied yourself?
[22:21] <p01nt3r> ...because it is just read from one place i guess?
[22:21] <p01nt3r> yes i did
[22:22] <p01nt3r> because trying installation with flashplugin-installer failed.
[22:22] <David-A> p01nt3r: did you try install package xubuntu-restricted-extras first? (from software center or synaptic or apt-get) and it didnt work?
[22:22] <David-A> okej
[22:22] <p01nt3r> no i didnt, let's try
[22:23] <David-A> p01nt3r: xubuntu-restricted-extras will just install flashplugin-installer plus other stuff.
[22:24] <David-A> p01nt3r: but you can try again if problem was adobes site was busy
[22:24] <p01nt3r> i thought so, but tried before and didn't work too
[22:24] <p01nt3r> ...installing xubuntu-restricted-extras
[22:24] <David-A> p01nt3r: do you remember how flashplugin-installer failed? err message?
[22:27] <p01nt3r> no message, i just don't see buttons from type swf on websites
[22:27] <p01nt3r> restricted-extras didn't solve it.
[22:28] <p01nt3r> same error as before. could any blocker like abp be the cause of it?
[22:29] <p01nt3r> "about:plugins" in ff showes me: application/x-shockwave-flash 	Shockwave Flash 	swf
[22:29] <David-A> p01nt3r: if abp blocks flash from that site, yes, does flash run on some sites and not on some others?
[22:29] <p01nt3r> file: libflashplayer.so
[22:30] <p01nt3r> how can i try that?
[22:30] <p01nt3r> version: Shockwave Flash 11.2 r202
[22:30] <David-A> p01nt3r: that means flash IS installed and available for firefox
[22:31] <p01nt3r> so let's have more focus on that abp-thing?
[22:31] <p01nt3r> which site can i test?
[22:33] <David-A> p01nt3r: try youtube, but make sure it does not fall back to html5 but uses flash (and that you have not blocked youtube in abp)
[22:33] <p01nt3r> ok, moment...
[22:34] <David-A> p01nt3r: (I have the same version of flash, if that is any comfort)
[22:35] <p01nt3r> no videos in youtube :-(
[22:35] <p01nt3r> even if i disable abp at all
[22:36] <p01nt3r> or do i have to restart firefox after disabling abp?
[22:36] <David-A> while in youtube, can you rightclick the black area where video should be? do you then see a flash menu or a firefox menu?
[22:37] <David-A> p01nt3r: no need to restart ff for disabling abp
[22:38] <p01nt3r> no context-menu, no black area
[22:38] <p01nt3r> just grey like the rest of the page
[22:39] <p01nt3r> i only see the video preshow
[22:40] <p01nt3r> preview (hope that is better english... :-) )
[22:40] <p01nt3r> maybe a version-conflict?
[22:41] <p01nt3r> there was a tool written by a ubuntu-forum guy. but he erased it from the site
[22:41] <p01nt3r> forgot the name of that tool
[22:42] <p01nt3r> maybe it helps for getting a clean system for reinstalling the player?
[22:43] <p01nt3r> David-A, trying to install flashplugin-installer once again? and look for some error messages?
[22:44] <David-A> p01nt3r: if you go to http://www.adobe.com/software/flash/about/ , do you see a bouncing red block for 2 seconds and "you have verson xxx installed", or just advertisement?
[22:44] <David-A> okej
[22:44] <David-A> p01nt3r: but it IS installed according to about:plugins
[22:45] <p01nt3r> the only error i got was when tried to install it from the adobe site, trying the ubuntu-deb thing, there was a message like ... wait pls
[22:47] <p01nt3r> no "version xxx installed" on that site
[22:47] <David-A> p01nt3r: no boucing red block either?
[22:48] <p01nt3r> no.
[22:48] <p01nt3r> the error i get on the adobe site when trying the ubuntu-deb-thing is: "unknown channel >>lucid-partner<<
[22:48] <David-A> p01nt3r: did you restart firefox after installing flash? (silly question, hope you dont mind)
[22:49] <p01nt3r> yes i did - and it's ok
[22:49] <p01nt3r> about:plugins tells me that it is installed, yes.
[22:51] <p01nt3r> found out something on the youtube page.
[22:51] <Xbert> p01nt3r, do you have apparmor enabled>
[22:51] <p01nt3r> if hover with the mouse over some video-previews, then i get that black area where the video should be, but it isn't.
[22:52] <p01nt3r> apparmor? where?
[22:53] <David-A> p01nt3r: i dont think the error from double click a .deb is related to this flash problem. (if you have similar errors when installing ordinary packages from software centre or synaptic or apt-get, you may want to look into that, but let that wait now)
[22:53] <p01nt3r> but you remember that my xubuntu is jaunty, right?
[22:53] <p01nt3r> David-A, got no errors on apt-get or synaptic otherwise.
[22:55] <p01nt3r> got another mashine running here with ubuntu oneiric, got flashplayer working. maybe we could get some help from it?
[22:55] <p01nt3r> mashine = machine
[22:55] <David-A> p01nt3r: 40 mins ago you said xubuntu 10.04 = lucid != jaunty
[22:56] <p01nt3r> oh damned i meant 10.04, not jaunty, sry!
[22:56] <David-A> okey
[22:56] <p01nt3r> so lucid i have, my fault.
[22:56] <David-A> all tests and comments still valid
[22:57] <p01nt3r> couldn't get any newer version because of limitations of x-server and that old nvs 400-card.
[22:57] <p01nt3r> :-)
[22:57] <p01nt3r> it was a 3 day-work on getting dualview work on that old machine lol
[22:58] <David-A> p01nt3r: you have proprietary driver enabled or not? (system>hardware drivers)
[22:58] <p01nt3r> nvidia-96 from repositories.
[22:59] <p01nt3r> it was shown in hardware-drivers, but had to put some more stuff into it to get it work (like installation of linux-headers-...)
[22:59] <David-A> p01nt3r: if you disable it, logout and login, and try youtube or adobe test page?
[22:59] <p01nt3r> wait
[23:00] <p01nt3r> with disable. you mean abp or flash?
[23:00] <p01nt3r> and - how do i disable flash?
[23:00] <David-A> p01nt3r: disable nvidia driver in stem>hardware drivers
[23:00] <David-A> *system>
[23:00] <p01nt3r> hmm
[23:01] <p01nt3r> sec.
[23:04] <p01nt3r> that takes a while on this p3-900 hell machine xD
[23:05] <David-A> bin ther
[23:08] <p01nt3r> no video without nvidia-driver on youtube
[23:09] <p01nt3r> exact the same behaviour as before.
[23:11] <p01nt3r> what's about adobe no longer supporting linux? could that have something to do with my issue?
[23:12] <p01nt3r> e.g. newest version of flash not compatible with 10.04 or something like that?
[23:13] <David-A> p01nt3r: no, I have same xubuntu ver and flash ver as you
[23:14] <David-A> p01nt3r: if you start firefox in a terminal, does it show error messages when it starts or when you visit pages with flash on?
[23:15] <p01nt3r> let me have a look...
[23:17] <p01nt3r> David-A, no error.
[23:19] <p01nt3r> what are the dependencies to get flash running in ff?
[23:20] <David-A> p01nt3r: do you have a file /etc/X11/xorg.conf ? (when was it created? did you create it?)
[23:20] <p01nt3r> i created it.
[23:21] <p01nt3r> some days before.
[23:21] <David-A> p01nt3r: no dependencies I know of. package management usually resolves dependencies during install.
[23:21] <p01nt3r> shall i nopaste it?
[23:22] <David-A> "nopaste"?
[23:22] <p01nt3r> paste it ^^
[23:22] <David-A> not in the chat directly
[23:23] <p01nt3r> that i mean with NOpaste xD
[23:23] <p01nt3r> brb
[23:26] <p01nt3r> David-A, http://pastebin.com/hGgFLLJw
[23:27] <p01nt3r> i just found out that i didnt use any yorg.conf file ^^
[23:28] <p01nt3r> but i did and it was the same error
[23:28] <p01nt3r> but can try again if necessary
[23:28] <David-A> p01nt3r: didnt use? it was named/placed somewhere else?
[23:28] <p01nt3r> y, was named xorg.conf.twinview
[23:29] <p01nt3r> copied it back to xorg.conf but i just saw that the xorg.conf-file didnt exist itself any longer
[23:30] <David-A> p01nt3r: its "Driver" entry seems to override "disable" in system>hardwaredrivers
[23:30] <p01nt3r> shall i try to reenable the nvidia-driver with the right xorg.conf file?
[23:30] <David-A> p01nt3r: was there a reason you created xort.conf in the first place, a problem it solved?
[23:30] <David-A> *xorg
[23:31] <p01nt3r> not a real "problem", just for getting clone-mode work with the tv-out.
[23:32] <p01nt3r> i also tried nouveau driver but it just gives me a black/white screen to the tv.
[23:33] <p01nt3r> and with nvidia-96 driver it works better.
[23:33] <p01nt3r> (tv-scrren is coloured but has more tearing in it)
[23:33] <p01nt3r> scrren = screen
[23:35] <Artemis3> what gpu is this?
[23:35] <David-A> p01nt3r: try with and without nvidia driver, both without xorg.conf, but from what you said, i think that is what you've tried already
[23:36] <p01nt3r> Artemis3, you ment me?
[23:37] <Artemis3> yes
[23:37] <p01nt3r> 00:09.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV17GL [Quadro NVS] (rev a3)
[23:38] <p01nt3r> David-A, yes, so it is.
[23:40] <p01nt3r> David-A, all of flash player is in that flashplayer.so-file?
[23:40] <p01nt3r> did the location of that file change between 10.04 and 11.10?
[23:40] <David-A> p01nt3r: thinking about trying older versions of the flash player. can be downloaded from adobe, unzipped and untared in several levels, and copied to where the .so shall be.
[23:41] <p01nt3r> if not, i could try to put it just in the same loc. as on the working machine...
[23:41] <p01nt3r> David-A, but where does the .so file have to be in 10.04?
[23:42] <David-A> p01nt3r: what I know, only the libflashplayer.so file in the right place (one several places are okay)
[23:43] <David-A> p01nt3r: is the .so NOT in the same places in your 10.04 and 11.10 ?
[23:44] <p01nt3r> sure, but it is on many other places too in 10.04, but not so in 11.10, there it is just in one place and that works.
[23:44] <David-A> p01nt3r: (well maybe it may differ with major version changes of a web browser)
[23:45] <p01nt3r> couldnt ff show me where it wants that file to have?
[23:45] <p01nt3r> is there any command to do so?
[23:45] <David-A> p01nt3r: the flashplugin-installer will install it in the right places for your current version of xubuntu, and it is right because about:plugins sees it!
[23:46] <p01nt3r> but the problem is that i copied it to several other folders
[23:46] <p01nt3r> but there you are right - he finds it
[23:46] <p01nt3r> and so it should work
[23:47] <David-A> p01nt3r: thats for several other web browsers, firefox just looks in two or three places or so, and obviously it finds it
[23:47] <Artemis3> i'd say delete them all and reinstall flashplugin, and stick to the nvidia driver supplied
[23:47] <p01nt3r> even it is only in any of that folders, i guess
[23:48] <Artemis3> maybe try with 12.04, try a live usb to see if it works?
[23:48] <p01nt3r> let's try it
[23:48] <p01nt3r> no way
[23:49] <p01nt3r> this old system cannot boot from usb. 12.04 not working o.o.t.b with my grafixcard
[23:49] <p01nt3r> (x-server has too new version)
[23:49] <Artemis3> hm is the 96.x series not bundled in 12.04? should be
[23:49] <Artemis3> lemme check :)
[23:49] <p01nt3r> :-)
[23:50] <Artemis3> yes its included
[23:50] <Artemis3> you need to pick the right version from jockey, that should require a single reboot at most?
[23:50] <p01nt3r> it is, i tried it, but then Xorg.0.log tells me the x-server version is not cappable with nvs 400. i shall try an older version of x
[23:51] <Artemis3> uh oh, i see...
[23:51] <p01nt3r> ... a light at this endless long, dark tunnel? xD
[23:52] <Artemis3> well 10.04 should do then, but i'd stick to the bundled nvidia driver instead of nouveau, specially that old nouveau...
[23:52] <p01nt3r> i use the nvidia-96 alright
[23:53] <Artemis3> there is a simple way to have an updated flashplugin, don't install the package
[23:53] <p01nt3r> ok...
[23:53] <Artemis3> there is, a: an add-on for firefox to do it for you, or b: download from adobe and put it in a folder, quite simple actually.
[23:54] <p01nt3r> it could have nothing to do with tv-out, twinview or st like that?
[23:54] <p01nt3r> Artemis3, i know, but which folder it has to be?
[23:54] <Artemis3> there is a system wide folder, and a user folder
[23:55] <Artemis3> if you are the sole user, the user folder will do
[23:55] <p01nt3r> i am the only one
[23:56] <Artemis3> then ~/.mozilla/plugin
[23:56] <Artemis3> if it doesnt exists, just create it
[23:56] <p01nt3r> that folder doesnt exist!
[23:56] <Artemis3> and put the .so file there, done
[23:57] <p01nt3r> only firefox and extensions thee
[23:57] <p01nt3r> there
[23:57] <Artemis3> when you start firefox type about:plugins should be there
[23:57] <p01nt3r> it is
[23:57] <Artemis3> search your syetem, delete any other file
[23:57] <p01nt3r> ok, wit
[23:57] <p01nt3r> wait
[23:59] <Artemis3> search that file name (i forgot) flashsomething.so using locate
[23:59] <Artemis3> delete all of them except the one you just downloaded and put in your user folder
[23:59] <David-A> Artemis3: (according to about:plugins p01nt3r already have a flashplugin and a reasonable version of it)