[00:22] Yay :) it built! [01:19] :) [02:14] Ok so my Oneiric build failed :| [02:15] most likely because of the messed up symlink :| [02:15] for ffi.h [02:16] when I build manually, I have to do a: sudo ln -s /usr/include/i686-linux-gnu/ffi.h /usr/include/ ; sudo ln -s /usr/include/i686-linux-gnu/ffitarget.h /usr/include/ [02:17] or /usr/include/i386-linux-gnu/ I guess ? [02:17] How should I go about addressing that issue? (That's when cross-building for 32 bit on 64 bit oneiric) [02:18] I have lib32ffi-dev [amd64] in the debian/control file, but I'm guessing that the ffi package messed up and put under i686-linux-gnu instead of i386 ... [02:18] why do you need to cross build on oneiric? [02:19] well, on precise I just do the i386 build [02:19] and I guess 64 bit systems can still pull it [02:19] yes [02:19] but on oneiric, it worked until I added this libffi... [02:19] So since I could do it, I did it. [02:19] it's nice to know it can successfully be built on a 64 bit system. [02:20] as users on oneiric 64 bit might want to build it from source. [02:20] they can in a 32 bit chroot [02:20] they can also in a 64 bit system [02:20] not chroot. [02:20] chroot is overrated. [02:20] is there a way for me to add this missing include symlink? [02:21] setting up a chroot is an unnecessary burden for my users... and something that might carry them away from my software :P [02:21] why does it not compile on 64 bit? [02:22] jtaylor: no 64 bit support yet :) [02:22] Support is planned but will take a lot of dev time :P [02:22] all I need is to create that proper ffi.h symlink :P [02:23] heck, I could just add an -isystem to my makefiles. [02:23] to /usr/include/i686-linux-gnu/ [02:23] the symlink is there in oneiric [02:24] wrong include path is easily worked around with CPPFLAGS [02:34] jtaylor: the symlink from where to where have you got? [02:34] .so to .so.X [02:34] jtaylor: no i'm talking about the ffi.h [02:34] its in lib32 [02:35] the headers are in i686 [02:35] right... and that's not in the path [02:35] then add it [02:35] they should be in i386-linux-gnu, should they not? [02:35] yes and they are in precise [02:35] pre precise it is not multiarched [02:36] only the old biarch [02:36] they are in precise eh? It's strange cuz yesterday someone had that same problem on Mint 13... and before someone on Precise... [02:36] ok [02:36] (which is probably defined as i686) [02:36] so I'll just go ahead and tweak the makefiles [02:36] (my makefiles don't use CFLAGS from outside :P) [02:36] thats a bug [02:37] is it? ;) [02:37] I hate outside factors messing up a build :P [02:37] besides I can defend it on the fact of not being C ;) [02:38] CFLAGS is compiler flags [02:38] CPPFLAGS is preprocessor flags [02:38] ;) [02:38] i'm not familiar with CPPFLAGS tbh ;) first time I hear it [02:38] is that a standard configure thing? where does it come from? [02:39] its a autotools thing [02:39] k... well I'm not using autotools... [02:39] am I bound to accept CPPFLAGS? ;) [02:39] no [02:39] ah :) [02:39] hehe thanks for all the help jtaylor! appreciate it :) [02:40] i'll get dinner ready and then fix my preprocessor flags :P [02:40] is there still hope to make it into Quantal? :) [02:40] feature freeze is aug 23 [02:40] ugg that is soon. [02:40] but you still need to find reviewers which is hard [02:40] so its tight [02:40] are you a reviewer? ;) [02:41] if I find the time [02:41] whats the package about? [02:41] It's the Ecere SDK... a cross platform SDK with GUI toolkit, network library, 2D/3D graphics engine, compiler for the eC language [02:41] we've been hoping to get into Ubuntu for quite a while... [02:42] (note GCC 4.7 fails on the build... trying to fix that tonight :P) [02:43] I would really appreciate help to get this in :) [02:43] whatever I can do! [03:01] well, there's always backports if you miss feature freeze [04:32] micahg: Do Backports till make it into the official release? [04:33] ESphynx: backports is enabled by default, so people can see it, it's not officially part of the release though (and can't be on any of the main images) [04:34] oh :( i'd really like to be part of the release though :( [04:34] we've been trying hard @ it since Karmic Koala :( [04:34] ESphynx: I don't think it makes a difference unless you're trying to get it on an image [04:34] yes I'd like to be on the CD :P [04:34] ESphynx: which CD? [04:34] hmm... the 1 CD ideally :P [04:34] or DVD :P [04:35] Ubuntu doesn't have that like Debian [04:35] where do dev apps go? [04:35] hmm, I have an Ubuntu CD here [04:35] 9.04 I think ? [04:35] no, I mean Ubuntu doesn't have the whole archive on media [04:35] right, but it's got some stuff, right? :) [04:36] to get something on an image, there has to be a request for it, the primary images (flavors included) are all tight on space except maybe Ubuntu Studio [04:36] I'll settle for Ubuntu Studio I guess ;) [04:37] but anyway, I'd really like to make it to feature freeze :P [04:37] but jtaylor ran away :P [04:37] micahg are you a potential reviewer as well? :) [04:38] ESphynx: yeah, but just FWIW, I don't see this being included on any media, it's fine for the archive though (in theory, I've done no review) [04:39] micahg: hey, I can dream ;) [04:39] I'll start with being on the archive ;) [04:39] Seriously, eC is an amazing programming language. [04:40] with less popularity than it deserves :P [04:40] And so is the Ecere GUI/toolkit ;) [04:40] I'm not sure any of the flavors ship an IDE at all [04:40] hmm, I'm sure they do? [04:40] KDevelop etc. [04:40] Python support? [04:40] I'm sure the distros come with Python support? [04:40] I don't think that's on any media though [04:41] in terms of space, the SDK is tiny... [04:41] we're talking < 10mb [04:41] we have many in the archive, just none on shipped media [04:41] K.... I sure would have thought some IDEs shipped with it! [04:42] Would you potentially have time to do a review? :) === codemaniac is now known as fego === fego is now known as codemaniac === Guest88558 is now known as iulian [10:19] green7: You here? [10:19] yup [10:20] Did you ask them? [10:20] I'm asking [10:20] need some help in beginning development. === smartboyhw is now known as smartboyhw_away [10:49] can anyone help me in starting development? [10:52] this happens to be one of the few times during the week when very few people are around [10:53] well, can you help me? [10:54] I'm very close to going to sleep, but what do you mean by development (Ubuntu, Ubuntu App, general)? [10:54] Ubuntu [10:54] To start with, have a look at the links from the topic. [10:54] Specifically, the contributing one. [10:55] Well, the Ubuntu wiki has so much links! [10:55] That's a good thing, isn't it? [10:55] Nope! It's very confusing! [10:56] When I'm close to reading half the page, it directs me to take a look a t some other page. [10:57] green7: Well, then read that page and come back. [10:58] OK. I want to fix the bugs and probably write some patches. What should I read? The MOTU wiki? [10:58] There's way too much stuff going on to just have one single page. And thus, we've structured it as much as we could. [10:58] green7: Yes. That'd be a good place to start. [10:58] All right. [11:00] If you have any questions, feel free to ask them here and we shall try to point you in the right direction. [11:00] okay, thanks [12:15] hello again [12:15] got a question [12:19] join #ubuntu-devel === smartboyhw_away is now known as smartboyhw [13:46] got a question [13:47] green7: Clearly it is still me here [13:47] so I've read the MOTU wiki [13:47] and I'm ready for packaging [13:47] OK [13:47] OK [13:48] The question is that there are many requests for packaging, and some of them already have their ppa, so what's the point of packaging? [13:48] Don't ask me, ask the others [13:48] I'm asking everyone [13:48] They are not awake:) [13:49] green7: Also it's Sunday [13:49] yep [13:51] do you know what's the difference between the packager and the maintainer? [13:51] green7: I am only good at testing [13:51] okay [14:47] I cannot debuild a code [15:29] I need some help in debuilding a package [15:30] green7: This is Sunday!!!! [15:31] not a single person works on sunday? [15:32] NO! [15:40] I do :) [15:40] Good! [15:41] I have to rewrite my code generator to work with GCC 4.7 though :P [15:48] smartboyhw: a lot of people work on Sundays for the community . :) [15:48] Oh, do they [15:48] as weekdays are full of work on work . [15:49] right === yofel_ is now known as yofel === almaisan-away is now known as al-maisan === al-maisan is now known as almaisan-away