[08:39] <Squirm> morning
[08:39] <Kilos> hiya Squirm 
[09:20] <Kilos> yo Cantide 
[09:21] <Kilos> hi Tonberry 
[09:21] <Cantide> morning '<
[09:21] <Cantide> i am actually CanSnack / CanStudy right now
[09:21] <Cantide> so partially AFK :p
[09:21] <Kilos> lol
[16:47] <smile> Hoi! :)
[17:38] <Kilos> hi superfly and others
[17:39] <Kilos> drussell, evening. how good are you at making waves
[17:41] <Kilos> hi smile 
[17:41] <smile> hallo Kilos :)
[18:00] <magespawn> Evening all
[18:01] <smile> evening, magespawn :)
[18:02]  * smile gee magespawn 'n drukkie
[18:02] <magespawn> Hey smile
[18:02] <smile> :)
[18:02] <magespawn> O/
[18:02] <smile> how was your day ^^
[18:03] <Kilos> yo magespawn 
[18:03] <magespawn> Hey Kilos
[18:05] <magespawn> Good thanks smile spent some of it at the beach
[18:05] <smile> magespawn: hot? :)
[18:06] <magespawn> Pleasanylt warm for the first half.
[18:06] <magespawn> lty
[18:08] <magespawn> 25
[18:10] <smile> magespawn: 28 here @ 18h :)
[18:10] <smile> so it was over 30+ degrees
[18:10] <smile> it's the hottest we reach in Belgium
[18:10] <smile> in an average summer
[18:11] <magespawn> Had 35 yesterday. Winter here, unusual though, normally 20-25
[18:14] <superfly> hi magespawn and smile 
[18:14] <superfly> on my Kindle Fire
[18:14] <magespawn> Hey superfly
[18:14] <magespawn> And?
[18:14] <Kilos> hehe
[18:14] <Kilos> hi Pankreas 
[18:14] <Pankreas> Hey there Kilos 
[18:15] <superfly> it's useless outside of the USA
[18:15] <Kilos> aw and you were so looking forward to it superfly 
[18:15] <magespawn> Why/
[18:15] <magespawn> ?
[18:16]  * Banlam is also curious
[18:16] <Kilos> hehe
[18:16] <smile> hi superfly :D
[18:17] <Pankreas> Sorry to interupt, everyone in here SA Ubuntu users?
[18:17] <Kilos> not all
[18:17] <smile> Pankreas: nope, i'm Belgium Ubuntu user :)
[18:17] <Pankreas> Right. 
[18:17] <Kilos> some use other systems too
[18:17] <magespawn> From all over
[18:17] <smile> (and developer, not for ubuntu) :p
[18:18] <superfly> magespawn: it only has the Amazon app store, which is only available in the USA
[18:18] <Pankreas> Belgium, nice.
[18:18] <smile> Pankreas: and you :D
[18:18] <superfly> Pankreas: most of us are from SA
[18:18] <magespawn> I have that on my HTC flyer and it works.
[18:19] <Pankreas> all right, cool. From SA as well. I am new to the whole linux scene, but very interrested.... Still have to make up my mind between two types.
[18:20] <superfly> magespawn: I had to root my Kindle to install Google Play
[18:20] <smile> Pankreas: which two types? welcome in linux world :)
[18:20] <Kilos> Pankreas, what two?
[18:20] <Kilos> lol
[18:20] <smile> some things may be overwhelming, but please ask :)
[18:20] <magespawn> No shortage of opinions here thats for sure.
[18:20] <Kilos> and welcome to ubuntu-za
[18:20] <Pankreas> Thank you smile.  Ubuntu and Fedora.
[18:20] <Kilos> ubuntu
[18:20] <Pankreas> Thank you Kilos 
[18:20] <smile> Ubuntu is much easier for beginning linux users :)
[18:21] <smile> I recommended it to someone this week and he likes it very much
[18:21] <magespawn> Strange superfly, I use the amazon app from google play so maybe that is different.
[18:21] <smile> He's happy with it
[18:21] <smile> :)
[18:21] <Kilos> Pankreas, have you got adsl
[18:21] <Pankreas> Right, ok, that will help, lol. Loaded the Fedora from the live media....
[18:21] <superfly> Pankreas: Fedora is pretty nice, but it tends to break when you upgrade
[18:22] <Pankreas> uncapped internet dongle stick.... 
[18:22] <smile> Fedora is much modern techniques -> more likely to break
[18:22] <smile> :p
[18:22] <Pankreas> thank you superfly , you just made up my mind....
[18:22] <superfly> Pankreas: in my experience, Ubuntu breaks less
[18:22] <superfly> magespawn: app store, not app
[18:23] <Pankreas> linux mint?
[18:23] <magespawn> Brb
[18:23] <Pankreas> look nice
[18:23] <Kilos> Pankreas, have you used or seen any linux os in action yet?
[18:23] <smile> Pankreas: good choice also. :) most ubuntu software will run on linux mint too
[18:23] <magespawn> superfly yup the amazon app store.
[18:24] <magespawn> Is mint not ubuntu baser?
[18:24] <magespawn> Baser
[18:24] <magespawn> Based
[18:24] <Kilos> haha youll get there
[18:24] <superfly> magespawn: well, I couldn't even install free apps
[18:24] <Kilos> sooner or later
[18:24] <Pankreas> Well, i am downloading ubuntu tonite, while I sleep. lol. No really no, not in action. right, so you get different software aswell,???
[18:25] <Kilos> all software is available in the repos
[18:25] <Pankreas> meaning, software for different versions of linux...
[18:25] <Kilos> software centre
[18:25] <Kilos> oh ya
[18:25] <magespawn> superfly i cant get the drm ones that need usa but the free ones I can 
[18:26] <Kilos> magespawn, mail them to the fly
[18:26] <smile> magespawn: yes it is
[18:26] <smile> :)
[18:26] <magespawn> So then it uses dpkg and apt?
[18:26] <smile> yes, apt-get to be precise
[18:26] <smile> :)
[18:26] <Pankreas> ok, I'm still learning. Thank you.
[18:27] <magespawn> Debian packages .dbm?
[18:27] <smile> .deb, magespawn ;)
[18:27] <Kilos> Pankreas, you are welcome here no matter what linux system you are using
[18:27] <smile> even arch ;)
[18:27] <magespawn> Touch keyboard
[18:27] <smile> but less likely with Arch Linux we will able to help you
[18:27] <smile> :p
[18:27] <superfly> Pankreas: no, we're talking about how you install software on Linux
[18:28] <superfly> Pankreas: on Windows you have those installers. on Linux it works completely differently
[18:28] <Kilos> Pankreas, once you have installed ubuntu everything is available at the click of your mouse
[18:29] <magespawn> The point I was trying to get to was Pankreas can use the ubuntu software.
[18:29] <Pankreas> I'm not rushing into anything at the moment.  Going to change my desktop pc to linux, and take it from there. I really don't want to sound like a newbie, but hey, I am....
[18:29] <Pankreas> I am going to install Ubuntu
[18:30] <superfly> Pankreas: each distribution has their own way to install stuff, though the concept is the same for them all
[18:30] <Kilos> good decision
[18:30] <smile> bye :)
[18:30] <superfly> Pankreas: awesome!!
[18:30] <Kilos> most help needed for ubuntu you can get here
[18:30] <Pankreas> :) 
[18:30] <Kilos> toods smile 
[18:30] <superfly> bye smile 
[18:30] <Pankreas> that is some good news.
[18:30] <smile> see ya all :)
[18:30] <Pankreas> bye smile 
[18:30] <magespawn> Bye smile
[18:30] <smile> good night :)
[18:31] <Kilos> sleep tight smiley guy
[18:31] <magespawn> http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm maybe give this a gander.
[18:31] <smile> thanks Kilos :D
[18:31] <magespawn> Pankreas^
[18:31] <Pankreas> will do. ty
[18:34] <Pankreas> Um... server taking to long to respond, will check it out a bit later then.
[18:35] <Kilos> Pankreas, you can upgrade your server to ubuntu as well
[18:35] <Kilos> hehe
[18:36] <Pankreas> Here is a qeustion, running server OS on a desktop not for a server purpose. pointless right?
[18:36] <Pankreas> question.
[18:36] <Pankreas> btw, I do make spelling mistakes.
[18:36] <Pankreas> lol
[18:36] <Kilos> superfly, runs his server on a sparee pc at home
[18:37] <Squirm> Pankreas: what server OS though?
[18:37] <Kilos> we all do 
[18:38] <Pankreas> cool, but for server purpose... netwoking, vrn etc.... Squirm: any i guess, win 2008, red hat.... 
[18:38] <Squirm> I know a guy who runs windows server '03, stability purposes
[18:38] <Squirm> I'd run something like RH as a desktop
[18:39] <Tonberry>  debian?
[18:39] <Squirm> it's nice and stable, if that's what you're going for. Only downfall is you don't get all the up to date packages, you'd have to build them yourself
[18:39] <Squirm> Tonberry: I run debian
[18:40] <Squirm> on my desktop, netboot and raspberry pi
[18:40] <Squirm> s/netboot/netbook
[18:40] <Pankreas> Ok, was thinking of loading ubuntu server.... but went for the desktop version...
[18:40] <Tonberry> does everyone but me have a pi?
[18:40] <Squirm> Tonberry: probably
[18:41] <magespawn> No I dont have one yet
[18:42] <Pankreas> um, I had custard pi today...... Only heard of the raspberry pi today, what is it, if I may ask?
[18:42] <Pankreas> hardware, software?
[18:42] <Squirm> credit card sized computer
[18:42] <Squirm> 800Mhz arm processor, 256mb ram
[18:43] <Squirm> powered off 5v mini usb
[18:43] <Kilos> Maaz, google rasberry pi
[18:43] <Maaz> Kilos: "Raspberry Pi | An ARM GNU/Linux box for $25. Take a byte!" http://www.raspberrypi.org/ :: "FAQs | Raspberry Pi" http://www.raspberrypi.org/faqs :: "Raspberry Pi - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raspberry_Pi :: "Rasberry pi - Hack a Day" http://hackaday.com/category/rasberry-pi/ :: "Rasberry Pi Foundation announces the Gertboard - The H Open ..." http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Rasberry-Pi-Found
[18:43] <Squirm> look at the faq
[18:43] <Squirm> it has photo
[18:44] <Kilos> Pankreas, download the server tomorrow night
[18:44] <Kilos> you can also try kubuntu
[18:44] <Kilos> the fly should have a link
[18:44] <Squirm> Pankreas: it's not exactly 'pointless', it depends what the person wants out of his OS
[18:45] <Squirm> http://ubuntu.mirror.ac.za/ubuntu-cdimage/
[18:45] <Kilos> Squirm, is kubuntu there
[18:45] <Squirm> should be
[18:46] <Kilos> they split from canonical
[18:46] <Squirm> http://ubuntu.mirror.ac.za/ubuntu-cdimage/kubuntu/
[18:46] <Kilos> or vice versa
[18:46] <Kilos> ah
[18:46] <Squirm> hmm
[18:46] <Squirm> the date's are old though
[18:46] <superfly> Pankreas: there's no real difference between the server and the desktop in Linux, other than the preinstalled software
[18:46] <Squirm> goes up to 11.10
[18:47] <Pankreas> Wow, look very nice, will have a better look later at the raspberry pi. 
[18:47] <Squirm> Pankreas: best part is, you'll pay around R340 for it
[18:47] <Pankreas> superfly:  Right, so server it is then.
[18:47] <Pankreas> reason for tomorrow night?
[18:47] <Pankreas> Squirm: what? really? 
[18:48] <superfly> Pankreas: but if you want to use it as a desktop machine, install the desktop version
[18:48] <superfly> Pankreas: you can install the server software as and when you need it
[18:49] <Pankreas> ok, does this make sense... I want to learn myself a bit more about servers, and linux, thus installing a server version should be the best option????
[18:49] <Pankreas> yes, no?
[18:49] <Pankreas> start with desktop first
[18:49] <superfly> Pankreas: remember, the server doesn't have a gui
[18:50] <superfly> Pankreas: start with the desktop
[18:50] <Squirm> speaking of servers. I really need to start learning for my RH exam :/
[18:52] <Pankreas> makes sense, seeing as the gui will help.
[18:54] <Pankreas> Right Gentlemen, and Ladies if present. quick coffee and smoke break, which i am trying to stop as well... both. brb.
[18:54] <Squirm> Maaz: coffee on
[18:54]  * Maaz puts the kettle on
[18:54] <Kilos> lol
[18:54] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee please
[18:54] <Maaz> Kilos: Yessir
[18:55] <Pankreas> lol
[18:56] <superfly> Pankreas: coffee yes, smoke no. :-)
[18:57] <magespawn> Squirm RH exam?
[18:57] <Kilos> smoking keeps elephants at bay
[18:58] <Squirm> magespawn: doing my RHCSA on the 24th
[18:58] <Kilos> great Squirm 
[18:58] <Kilos> glad to hear that
[18:58] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Squirm and Kilos!
[18:58] <Squirm> ty Maaz
[18:58] <Kilos> Maaz, danke
[18:58] <Maaz> Bitteschön
[18:58] <Squirm> Kilos: I hope it will be great
[18:59] <Kilos> give it your best lad
[18:59] <Squirm> 2.5 hour prac
[18:59] <Squirm> ...fun
[18:59] <Kilos> whew
[19:00] <Kilos> and the theory?
[19:00] <Kilos> 3 hours
[19:00] <Squirm> no theory
[19:00] <Kilos> lekker
[19:00] <Squirm> yeah
[19:00] <Squirm> if it was theory, I'd suffer
[19:01] <Squirm> it's more like. here's a problem, fix it
[19:01] <Kilos> ah thats nice
[19:02] <Kilos> when Squirm ?
[19:03] <Kilos> magespawn, you gone quiet
[19:04] <magespawn> Family chatting here. Also googling rhsca.
[19:04] <magespawn> Rhcsa
[19:06] <Squirm> Red Hat Certified System Administrator
[19:06] <Squirm> then the next level from that is Red Hat Certified Engineer
[19:07] <Squirm> which I want to get, but maybe next year
[19:07] <Squirm> inbetween I think I'll try and get up to LPIC3
[19:10] <Pankreas> There is obviously market for linux in SA?
[19:11] <magespawn> I think there is a market world wide.
[19:12] <Pankreas> fair
[19:13] <magespawn> Big business uses it to tun most of their servers and such.
[19:13] <magespawn> Tun/run
[19:13] <Squirm> that's where I'm hoping to go
[19:14] <Pankreas> Good luck with that. Read somewhere on one of the linux sites, servers that has not been shut down in over a year.. 
[19:14] <Squirm> that happens pretty often
[19:15] <Squirm> Symmetria: maybe you can grab an uptime off the mirror?
[19:15] <Squirm> :P
[19:15]  * Squirm pesters
[19:15] <Pankreas> Which is a plus
[19:15] <magespawn> Only time mine goes off is when Eskom fails.
[19:16] <Squirm> my dedi which hosts my irc server in the US
[19:16] <Squirm> $ uptime
[19:16] <Squirm>  15:14:26 up 192 days,
[19:17] <Pankreas> nice :)
[19:17] <Squirm> debian ftw
[19:28] <Kilos> hi psydroid 
[19:28] <psydroid> hi Kilos
[19:28] <Kilos> i go sleep now. sleep warm all
[19:28] <Kilos> see ya morrow
[19:29] <magespawn> Night kilos, night all.
[19:34] <Pankreas> Right people, time to say good bye. Thanks for the chat. see again.
[19:45] <Squirm> Kilos: that was quick
[19:48] <Kilos> lol i forgot to ask maaz somethig
[19:48] <inetpro> good evening
[19:48] <inetpro> Kilos: I'm still alive
[19:49] <inetpro> that is for in case you where wondering 
[19:49] <Kilos> goosie
[19:50] <psydroid> hi Kilos and inetpro
[19:50] <Kilos> so lekker to see you again
[19:50] <Kilos> hows things old man
[19:50] <psydroid> kids killed my internet connection
[19:50]  * inetpro been afk for a few days
[19:50] <Kilos> ouch
[19:50] <Kilos> we kinda noticed inetpro 
[19:50] <Kilos> better sort things out
[19:51] <Kilos> 8 days to meeting
[19:51] <Squirm> hello inetpro 
[19:51] <inetpro> Kilos: hmm... time to start thinking about the new agenda
[19:51] <inetpro> heh Squirm and psydroid
[19:52]  * inetpro won't touch the agenda tonight... need another weekend to recover from the long weekend
[19:52] <Kilos> now i can go sleep. i spoke to maaz and saw the pro
[19:52] <Kilos> 8 days is plenty inetpro 
[19:53] <Kilos> we start in the week sometime
[19:53] <inetpro> Kilos: tks, now I feel better
[19:53] <inetpro> good night
[19:53] <Kilos> night again guys
[21:14] <superfly> night all