/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2012/08/12/#xubuntu.txt

Artemis3	well there is not much else we can do, the most updated flash plugin	00:00
Artemis3	and the most recent nvidia driver	00:00
Artemis3	save from turning off hardware accel in flash	00:00
David-A	p01nt3r: (in my system the personal plugins folder is ~/.mozilla/plugins with an s, (if or when you would need it))	00:02
p01nt3r	ok thx	00:02
Artemis3	oops typo there, i think it is plugins	00:02
p01nt3r	ok	00:02
Artemis3	wasn't there an add on to do it for you? i never used it ;)	00:03
p01nt3r	have the .so file just in .mozilla/plugins now	00:03
Artemis3	whats the file name?	00:03
p01nt3r	libflashplayer.so	00:03
Artemis3	did you do locate ibflashplayer.so	00:03
Artemis3	er	00:03
p01nt3r	just reenabling the nvidia-thing	00:03
Artemis3	libflashplayer.so	00:03
p01nt3r	no	00:03
p01nt3r	find / -name "libflashplayer.so"	00:04
Artemis3	also remove the flashplugin-nonfree package (apt-get remove, synaptic or your favorite method)	00:04
p01nt3r	ok, sec.	00:04
Artemis3	well find works too	00:04
Artemis3	and is more current :)	00:04
p01nt3r	hehe	00:05
Artemis3	(catfish is a handy thing)	00:05
p01nt3r	never used it	00:05
Artemis3	its gui for find/locate or other engines such as tracker if you bother to install them	00:05
p01nt3r	*plugin-nonfree is gone	00:05
Artemis3	good, now make sure there is only 1 libflashplayer.so in your whole system	00:06
p01nt3r	getting nvidia-96 back with xorg.conf first?	00:06
Artemis3	yeah, i see why not	00:06
p01nt3r	ok, looking for it	00:06
p01nt3r	only 2 files, the 1 is from the unzipped package on my desk, so i guess it's ok to have it there?	00:07
Artemis3	you can try a blank xorg.conf (rename it) and run jockey, it should install it	00:07
p01nt3r	jockey?	00:07
p01nt3r	never used it	00:07
Artemis3	thats the restricted hardware thing true name	00:07
Artemis3	it runs in console too	00:07
p01nt3r	aah yes heard it	00:08
p01nt3r	kk	00:08
p01nt3r	xorg.conf whole blank?	00:08
Artemis3	if you run it, i believe it will install nvidia-96, and configure xorg.conf like a fresh install	00:08
p01nt3r	ok then i do so	00:09
Artemis3	just rename it to something else if you want to keep a backup	00:09
David-A	(the name of a firefox extension that alledgedly solves flash problems is "flash-aid", have not tried it, finish you current plan for now)	00:09
Artemis3	lol yes, but this is the manual method :)	00:09
p01nt3r	David-A, that was exaclty the tool i meant!	00:09
Artemis3	just keep a single flash in there, i have experience of system with multiple versions lurking... not nice, sometimes works, sometiems doesn't ;)	00:09
p01nt3r	ok let's try it the manual way - only the manual way is the REAL way xD	00:10
David-A	p01nt3r: thats the spirit!	00:10
p01nt3r	:-)	00:10
Artemis3	well flash-aid might actually do the very same but whatever	00:10
Artemis3	ie: download file, copy to user folder :P	00:11
p01nt3r	let's try the jockey-thing. did rename the xorg.conf(it already was renamed as i explained before)	00:11
Artemis3	yes you can have many files in there, no worries	00:11
p01nt3r	ok, wait	00:11
Artemis3	only xorg.conf matters	00:11
p01nt3r	i know xD	00:11
Artemis3	you could even delete it nowdays	00:11
Artemis3	but the nvidia driver makes one anyway	00:12
p01nt3r	sudo jockey-gtk ...	00:12
Artemis3	and you can put back your options later	00:12
p01nt3r	k k	00:12
Artemis3	or from nvidia-settings	00:12
p01nt3r	i do not have any xorg.conf file this time	00:12
Artemis3	if possible	00:12
p01nt3r	only backuped onces	00:13
Artemis3	ok let the jockey do its job	00:13
p01nt3r	running...	00:13
p01nt3r	24 days l8ter ... xD	00:14
p01nt3r	is the newest flash-version running with ff from 10.04?	00:15
Artemis3	should	00:16
Artemis3	but you can always add the firefox ppa if you want a more current ff	00:16
p01nt3r	k	00:16
p01nt3r	let's try the repos ff at first	00:16
p01nt3r	still running the jockey-thing....	00:18
p01nt3r	ok reboot	00:18
Artemis3	p3 eh? white the oldie	00:18
Artemis3	quite	00:18
p01nt3r	xD	00:18
p01nt3r	btw.: jockey made me a new xorg.conf ;-)	00:19
p01nt3r	brb	00:19
Artemis3	as expected	00:19
p01nt3r	y	00:19
p01nt3r	k, nvidia driver running again	00:21
p01nt3r	let's try ff and youtube ...	00:22
p01nt3r	no video on youtube	00:24
p01nt3r	damned	00:24
Artemis3	about:plugins ?	00:25
p01nt3r	like before	00:28
Artemis3	so it shows flash in there?	00:28
Artemis3	you have tried other flash pages and they work?	00:28
Artemis3	then youtube is showing a black or something rectangle instead of nothing?	00:29
p01nt3r	work not	00:29
Artemis3	in about:plugins it should list libflashplayer.so	00:29
p01nt3r	Datei: libflashplayer.so Version: Shockwave Flash 11.2 r202	00:29
p01nt3r	youtube showes nothing, even not any black rectangle	00:30
Artemis3	and this page shows the version running? https://www.adobe.com/software/flash/about/	00:31
p01nt3r	the rectangle just if i hover with mouse on the video-previews	00:31
Artemis3	you dont have any other add on messing with youtube? and you are loading a flash video instead of html5 one? (just in case :))	00:31
p01nt3r	the site does not show the version running	00:32
David-A	p01nt3r: just to verify, no noscript or flashblock extension? (sorry to ask a silly question again)	00:32
Artemis3	your plugin is not working	00:32
Artemis3	actually thats not silly, check :)	00:32
p01nt3r	David-A, abp is still disabled at all	00:33
Artemis3	addblock should be no problem here	00:33
Artemis3	ad	00:33
Artemis3	hmm you really really sure the plugin shows in about:plugin?	00:34
Artemis3	about:plugins	00:34
David-A	p01nt3r: if you login as guest (or create an alternate profile for yourself) you would run ff with default settings, would you like to try that?	00:34
p01nt3r	why not	00:34
p01nt3r	but wait	00:34
p01nt3r	Artemis3, yes, it does. just checked...	00:35
Artemis3	yes, its possible to disable plugins within the ff preferences	00:35
Artemis3	try the alternate profile stuff	00:35
p01nt3r	yes, doing so	00:37
p01nt3r	brb	00:37
p01nt3r	it's working with the new profile!	00:50
p01nt3r	but with some strange behaviour	00:50
p01nt3r	ff showes me that i have to install some plugins to get flash videos working	00:51
p01nt3r	and if i try to do	00:51
p01nt3r	it tells me, the plugin is allready installed xD	00:51
p01nt3r	Artemis3, David-A	00:51
Artemis3	hmmm	00:51
Artemis3	i wonder if the file permissions and ownership is ok	00:52
Artemis3	libflashplugin.so should belong to your user and should have proper permissions	00:52
p01nt3r	-rw-r--r-- 1 dirk dirk 17406436 2012-05-11 07:40 libflashplayer.so	00:55
Artemis3	try adding x?	00:56
Artemis3	it is weird to list the plugin but then nothing can use it...	00:56
Artemis3	and restart the browser	00:56
David-A	p01nt3r: if you run ff as another user and removed all .so except in ~/.mozilla/plugins for your normal user, then its right, that ff does not have flash	00:59
Artemis3	well, considering flash was installed in a user folder to begin with :)	01:00
David-A	p01nt3r: did you try another ff profile in same user, or logged in as another user?	01:00
p01nt3r	another user	01:01
Artemis3	of course	01:01
David-A	p01nt3r: did you remove all .so except in ~/.mozilla/plugins for your normal user?	01:01
Artemis3	if you use another user, you don't have flash :)	01:01
p01nt3r	yes, i did	01:02
p01nt3r	i use another user, but i DO have flash ^^	01:02
David-A	p01nt3r: then, let /home/anotheruser/.mozilla/plugins also have a copy...	01:02
Artemis3	well you can copy the flash file to that user folder, and make sure it belongs to that user as well have proper permissions	01:02
p01nt3r	i didnt do, and for the other user flash works! but still not for the old user	01:03
Artemis3	well i mean ~/.mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so	01:03
Artemis3	aja, that means sometihng in your ff settings is blocking the plugin	01:04
p01nt3r	hmm	01:04
Artemis3	for your old user	01:04
Artemis3	you can always use another profile, or rename your current one and make a new	01:04
p01nt3r	guys, very much thx for your help, but i am a lot of tired and have to go to bed now. let's have a look to this later?	01:05
Artemis3	hhehe as you wish, i might not be here tho	01:05
Artemis3	good luck	01:05
p01nt3r	ill try that profile thing tomorrow - THX!	01:05
David-A	p01nt3r: i'm confusd, did flash work with another user or not?	01:05
Artemis3	yes it did work	01:05
David-A	okay, goodnight, i'm off soon too	01:06
Artemis3	so the answer is in the old user profile settings	01:06
p01nt3r	(and i don't understand why...)	01:06
David-A	p01nt3r: its something with the ff settings	01:06
p01nt3r	have to go to sleep - THX THX THX so far!	01:06
David-A	bye	01:06
Artemis3	c ya	01:06
p01nt3r	;-) bb	01:07
aeternum_solus	hi. why is it that when using apt-get upgrade, it won't download and install the kernel, but it does so with the gui?	01:35
Artemis3	you might want dist-upgrade for that, and try to have the meta package "linux-image" installed ^^	01:37
aeternum_solus	ahh. thanks. I'll give that a go next time it wants to install the kernel	01:37
Artemis3	synaptic is less obvious when using the dist-upgrade method	01:38
David-A	aeternum_solus: did you use the gui (update manager) first and apt-get upgrade after, then the kernel was already the latest.	01:39
aeternum_solus	anecdotally, how successful is dist-upgrade? I hear it regularly has problems	01:39
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aeternum_solus	nah. I usually try to apt-get upgrade first, then when it complains that it won't install the kernel, I go to the upgrade manager	01:39
aeternum_solus	update manager*	01:40
David-A	aeternum_solus: did you try apt-get update before apt-get upgrade (i think it is needed)	01:40
aeternum_solus	no, I didn't do that. I'll try that next time it notifies me there are updates	01:41
aeternum_solus	also, it notifies me a LOT that there are updates. usually in the vicinity of 30 a day!	01:41
aeternum_solus	I'm on 11.1 by the way	01:42
David-A	aeternum_solus: 11.10 i presume? then your on your own :) do you keep an eye on the release plan, to see when they reach different level of freezing?	01:44
aeternum_solus	I used to, but not anymore. maybe I'll just stick 12.04 on	01:45
David-A	aeternum_solus: sorry, it's 2012 now, i forgot... :)	01:45
aeternum_solus	eh?	01:46
aeternum_solus	you thought it was 2013?	01:46
David-A	aeternum_solus: (yea, 30 a day sounds alot for 11.10 then)	01:47
aeternum_solus	interesting, dist-upgrade says no new packages to install	01:48
David-A	aeternum_solus: if you updated 10 minutes ago, even if its 30 a day, have some patience :)	01:49
aeternum_solus	so there's no difference between upgrade and dist-upgrade? if upgrade does the same as dist-upgrade, then I'm not sure I see the difference?	01:50
David-A	aeternum_solus: read the man page (man apt-get). (dubious help: I just read it but I can't say I understand the difference)	01:52
aeternum_solus	I did read it, but I still don't see the difference haha :(	01:53
David-A	aeternum_solus: it says its more intelligent. thats sometimes good, sometimes bad	01:53
David-A	(still dubious, help-wise)	01:54
aeternum_solus	I think I'll just download an iso and fresh install	01:56
David-A	aeternum_solus: "fresh install"? why? it seems to work as it should? or?	02:03
David-A	the man page will be the same :)	02:04
aeternum_solus	haha	02:04
aeternum_solus	nah, it's a bit quirky.. but I thik that's might be hardware failure actually	02:04
David-A	ah, other things	02:05
aeternum_solus	yep	02:05
aeternum_solus	hey. one more thing.. in /etc/resolv.conf, it has nameserver 127.0.0.1 .... I don't run a dns server on this machine. is that just network manager being network manager?	02:06
aeternum_solus	resolvconf, actually.	02:10
David-A	fwiw mine has two lines "nameserver" and ip-address somewhere at my isp, and "# Generated by NetworkManager" and was created around the time of my last reboot.	02:16
aeternum_solus	hmm. mine says generated by resolvconf. dunno. I guess one more of those quirks ubuntu has hehe	02:17
David-A	I have a recollection that one can choose if networkmanager or something else gonna rule. it is controllable by a setting in a file in /etc somewhere or one can install/uninstall the party that wants to rule but you dont want it to. maybe a little google?	02:26
aeternum_solus	I'm not overly concerned, because it does resolve to my dns server, but I was just curious why it uses loopback there	02:28
ouyes	office in xubuntu 12.04, the middle button(scroll) of the mouse does not work.	02:47
ouyes	you can't use the middle key of the mouse to scroll the text of the office document	02:48
David-A	ouyes: guess you mean click middle button and jox to scroll as opposed to scroll wheel roll. go to tools>options>view and set mouse>middle button to "automatic scrollintg". (default off in unix/linux versions of firefox and openoffice since we like middle button to paste)	03:23
ouyes	David-A, there is no options in my tools of office, are you in xubuntu 12.04?	03:27
David-A	no, 10.04 openoffice ver 3.2	03:27
David-A	is there tools>preferences or edit>options ?	03:28
ouyes	David-A, thanks for you help , actually I use the abiword, and I think I should install the openoffice	03:29
agentgasmask	ouyes: be aware that you can only install libreoffice from the repos. Open office can be downloaded from their website.	03:30
David-A	ouyes: go for libreoffice then, probably better supported in 12.04	03:31
ouyes	agentgasmask, David-A it is installing, thanks	03:31
agentgasmask	ouyes: oops, thanks	03:32
ouyes	it is really large in size , over 180MiB	03:39
David-A	ouyes: (with doc and java my ooo is 278 MiB)	03:51
ouyes	it is done, it is beautiful, I like it liberoffice	03:52
David-A	ouyes: (includes languages for english and my native language, add if you have installed more than 2 languages)	03:53
asterismo	hi guys	05:03
asterismo	i have a question	05:03
asterismo	i'm trying to use PCManFM as default file manager in xubuntu	05:04
asterismo	but directory menu applet in xfce-panel does not launch PCmanFM	05:04
asterismo	how can i fix this?	05:04
agentgasmask	asterismo: perhaps checkout /etc/alternitives? just a guess.	05:05
asterismo	cat /etc/alternitives ??	05:05
asterismo	agentgasmask, > no such file or directory	05:06
agentgasmask	asterismo: you'll have to google it. But basicly it handles what programs are default. also, check my spelling... hahaha	05:06
asterismo	oh!	05:06
asterismo	yeah	05:06
asterismo	agentgasmask,	05:07
asterismo	i could get in it	05:07
asterismo	thanks	05:07
asterismo	any idea what file i have to modify?	05:07
agentgasmask	asterismo: I don't think you modify the files directly. there are some commandline utilities to hadle that.	05:08
agentgasmask	asterismo: update-alternatives, perhaps. Might need to be run as root	05:09
asterismo	agentgasmask, if i have one instance of pcmanfm open, then hitting the directory menu opens a new tab	05:09
asterismo	but if i have no pcmanfm instance, it do not open anything	05:09
agentgasmask	Hmmm... sorry can't help you there. Anyone else able to help the fine gentleman?	05:10
Josh483	Can someone help me with my wifi	06:07
sambagirl	hi	06:07
Josh483	;p;	06:07
Josh483	hey	06:07
sambagirl	what version :D	06:07
sambagirl	hah	06:07
Josh483	the newest i think lol	06:07
sambagirl	64 or 32	06:07
Josh483	64	06:07
sambagirl	any recent updating done?	06:08
sambagirl	added any new applications?	06:08
Josh483	i tryed but it said evweythings up to date	06:08
sambagirl	when was the last time it worked flawlessly?	06:08
Josh483	idk i just downloaded it	06:08
Josh483	its been kinda buggy but mostly just the wifi	06:08
sambagirl	oh you just installed it for the first time?	06:08
Josh483	yea	06:08
sambagirl	has it ever worked?	06:08
Josh483	kinda	06:09
sambagirl	definately maybe?	06:09
Josh483	but i have to connect it to ethernet if i want to log in if i shut it down	06:09
Josh483	cause the wifi never auto connects	06:09
Josh483	and now it doesnt work at all	06:09
sambagirl	go to a shell and type lspci -v and see what kind of wireless card it is. is it broadcom?	06:09
sambagirl	do you have a switch?	06:10
Josh483	shell?	06:10
Josh483	switch?	06:10
sambagirl	switch for off/on wireless	06:10
Josh483	you mean terminal?	06:10
Josh483	and no i dont think so	06:10
sambagirl	is it laptop?	06:10
Josh483	yes	06:10
sambagirl	mfg?	06:10
Josh483	its an intel wifi card	06:10
Josh483	mfg?	06:10
sambagirl	manufacturer?	06:10
Josh483	dell	06:11
sambagirl	hp compaq dell	06:11
Josh483	dell inspiron 6000	06:11
sambagirl	how long have you had it?	06:11
Josh483	10 years lo	06:11
Josh483	lol	06:11
sambagirl	oh ok	06:11
sambagirl	jsut a sec	06:11
sambagirl	there is a wifi button	06:12
sambagirl	no?	06:12
Josh483	its an intel prowireless 2200 bg (calexico2)	06:12
Josh483	and no i liiked	06:12
Josh483	looked'	06:12
sambagirl	hold on	06:12
sambagirl	it came with it?	06:13
Josh483	ye	06:13
Josh483	i never got a different card	06:13
sambagirl	ok it was default card yes?	06:13
Josh483	yea	06:13
Josh483	well i updated the driver when i still had windows	06:13
Josh483	idk if that means anything	06:13
sambagirl	http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1857608	06:14
Josh483	whats thaty	06:14
sambagirl	http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1010303	06:14
sambagirl	answers	06:14
sambagirl	solutions	06:14
Josh483	oh	06:15
Josh483	it says no for both blocked	06:15
sambagirl	you type lspci -nn or lspci -v an it says intel?	06:16
Josh483	yea	06:17
Josh483	i dont get the answer thing though	06:17
sambagirl	http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1857608 <--- this looks like the solution to me.	06:18
sambagirl	well the reason i asked was so you could verify it was taht card but if your positive that link looks like the solutoin to me.	06:18
Josh483	how do i type this symbol? "\|"	06:18
sambagirl	but there are smarter people then me here.	06:18
sambagirl	above the \ with shift key	06:19
sambagirl	\|	06:19
Josh483	ohhh	06:19
Josh483	thanks lol	06:19
sambagirl	your welcome	06:19
Josh483	ok so	06:20
Josh483	i typed that thing in the terminal	06:20
sambagirl	your sure there was no update recently? cause on this other laptop i have debian and it just had an update and now wifi doesnt work on it...so it has to be the update. kinda like the goofy stuff with windows updates.	06:20
sambagirl	ok well select all copy it and paste to pastebin.com and submit and get the url and post it in the channel	06:21
Josh483	huh?	06:21
sambagirl	ok you just did a brand new install of xubuntu correct?	06:21
Josh483	yea	06:21
Josh483	i cant copy and past cause im not on it\	06:22
Josh483	its next to me	06:22
sambagirl	and wifi doesnt work from the git go correct?	06:22
sambagirl	ok	06:22
sambagirl	well plug a ethernet cable and get online with it	06:22
Josh483	ill try	06:22
Josh483	eithernet doesnt work	06:22
Josh483	idk why	06:23
sambagirl	it doesnt?	06:23
Josh483	wait ill try again	06:23
sambagirl	have you ever used linux/unix before?	06:23
Josh483	kinda	06:23
sambagirl	here is an idea to figure stuff out quickly	06:24
sambagirl	do this download ubntu 10.10 and burn it and boot with it and see what happens to see if that works first ok?	06:24
Josh483	yea ethernet isnt working now	06:24
Josh483	what do you mean?	06:24
Josh483	you mean burn it to a disk and try to run it on my laptop?	06:25
sambagirl	not try, boot it	06:25
sambagirl	with a cd live cd mode	06:25
Josh483	i cant my disc drive doesnt work for swome reason	06:25
sambagirl	see if you have functionality	06:25
sambagirl	ok	06:25
sambagirl	this is a joke i think	06:25
Josh483	i installed xubuntu with a usb drive	06:25
Josh483	im not joking	06:25
sambagirl	ok well burn 10.10 to the usb drive then	06:26
sambagirl	boot with that and see what you get	06:26
Josh483	i used some compressed thing cause it only has 500 mb of space	06:26
Josh483	and had it connected thru ethernet and downloaded the os thru the servers	06:26
sambagirl	you mean netinstall?	06:26
Josh483	ye	06:26
Josh483	yea	06:26
Josh483	could that be why the wifi isnt working	06:27
Josh483	did i do something wrong	06:27
sambagirl	ok well do a netinstall and install 10.10. i mean you said you just installed today or tonight so your not losing anything and your learning something about your computer and about yourself	06:27
sambagirl	no shouldnt be	06:27
sambagirl	you said there is no buton?	06:27
sambagirl	button?	06:27
Josh483	no but hold on im gunna try to go on ethernet again\	06:28
Josh483	im restarting my laptop	06:28
Josh483	i cant do another os load though	06:29
sambagirl	hold the fn key down and press f2	06:29
sambagirl	why not?	06:29
Josh483	cause i used my laptop to download and do everything	06:29
Josh483	and iim on my phone now\	06:29
sambagirl	i dont understand?	06:29
sambagirl	ohh for chat?	06:29
Josh483	like its the only computer i have	06:29
Josh483	yea	06:29
sambagirl	hold the fn key down and press f2 and see if your wifi light illuminates	06:30
sambagirl	once it comes up i mean.	06:30
Josh483	one sec my laptops turning on	06:30
sambagirl	k	06:30
Josh483	it always says waiting for network config when i turn it on	06:31
Josh483	under the xubuntu logo	06:31
Josh483	and it never connects and starts without network config	06:31
sambagirl	if you hold fn key down and then f2 does the light come on?	06:31
Josh483	idk what that is	06:31
Josh483	i gotta wait its not on yet	06:31
sambagirl	cant someone in here offer a suggestion?	06:32
sambagirl	ok	06:32
Josh483	i dont think there here	06:32
Josh483	;p;	06:32
Josh483	lol	06:32
Josh483	ok its on now	06:32
sambagirl	hold the fn key down and press f2 and see if your wifi light illuminates	06:33
Josh483	it deoesnt	06:33
Josh483	it says networking dissabled	06:33
sambagirl	enable it	06:33
Josh483	it wont let me click it	06:33
Josh483	its faded out	06:33
sambagirl	you right click on the network icon on the upper panel on your right?	06:33
Josh483	yea	06:33
Josh483	but its faded out and doesnt let me click it	06:34
Josh483	just edit connections is	06:34
sambagirl	well hold on...	06:34
sambagirl	you booted with usb right?	06:34
Josh483	yea	06:34
sambagirl	you did netinstall right?	06:34
Josh483	yea	06:34
sambagirl	well why dont you go thru the process again? cause obviously it worked for you install it that way correct?	06:34
Josh483	i tryed that already though and gave up	06:35
Josh483	it still happens	06:35
sambagirl	well hold on. it worked before so it has to work again.	06:35
Josh483	ok	06:35
sambagirl	if your booting with the usb drive and you did a netinstall it didnt break your hw.	06:36
Josh483	hardware?	06:36
sambagirl	r u sure you paid your access bill? :D	06:36
Josh483	access bill? lol	06:37
sambagirl	seriously you have a smart phone correct?	06:37
Josh483	yes why?	06:37
sambagirl	are you using wifi or Gx on it?	06:38
Josh483	wifi but i have 4g and lte	06:38
Josh483	idk what gx is	06:38
sambagirl	ok so you know your wifi works. i could have typed Gn (n=3-4)	06:38
Josh483	yea i know my wifi password	06:39
sambagirl	4g 3g mouse...mickey mouse :)	06:39
sambagirl	ok ok	06:39
sambagirl	do this reboot with usb and do another netinstall	06:39
sambagirl	it has to work	06:39
Josh483	i dont have the usb anymore --__-	06:39
sambagirl	ok	06:39
sambagirl	i see	06:39
Josh483	is there anothe way without having to do another netinstall	06:40
Josh483	im going to kill myself if i have to go through that again	06:40
Josh483	lol	06:40
sambagirl	the reason i asked you to do it is to verify your hw is working	06:40
Josh483	im pretty sure my hw is fine	06:40
Josh483	i think somethings wrong with the settings or something	06:41
Josh483	or maybe it doesnt detect my wifi card idk	06:41
sambagirl	forget the wifi you said you cannot enable ethernet	06:41
Josh483	well it worked before	06:41
sambagirl	you said you cant enable networking	06:41
sambagirl	what did you do?	06:41
sambagirl	how did you break it?	06:42
Josh483	i might have changed some stuff by accident idk	06:42
Josh483	cause i was googling how to fix it	06:42
sambagirl	where is the usb stick?	06:42
Josh483	and some people said to type stuff into the terminal and idk if i did something	06:42
sambagirl	where is the usb stick?	06:43
Josh483	is there a way to like reset it	06:43
sambagirl	where is the usb stick?	06:43
Josh483	i gave it to my friend	06:43
Josh483	why	06:43
sambagirl	where is the usb stick?	06:43
sambagirl	well you entered commands in a shell correct?	06:44
sambagirl	some people told you to do this do that...correct, in a shell correct?	06:44
sambagirl	where is the usb stick?	06:44
Josh483	i entered them in the termna;	06:44
Josh483	terminal	06:44
Josh483	and my friend has it	06:44
sambagirl	ok well go to the term again	06:44
Josh483	ok	06:44
Josh483	im on it	06:44
sambagirl	press the up arrow and look at the commands you entered	06:45
sambagirl	what did you enter?	06:45
Josh483	ok give me a min	06:45
Josh483	ill type them out	06:45
sambagirl	where did your friend take your usb stick?	06:45
sambagirl	haha	06:46
Josh483	sudo apt -get - -reinstall install bcmw1-kernel-source	06:46
Josh483	1spci -nn \| grep 0280	06:46
Josh483	sudo ifconfig wlan0 up	06:47
Josh483	1spci	06:47
Josh483	sudo 1shw -C network	06:47
sambagirl	it works when you do a netinstall a	06:47
Josh483	huh?	06:47
sambagirl	it works when you do a netinstall a	06:48
Josh483	what works	06:48
TheSheep	a font that doesn't let you tell the difference between 1 and l is really bad for the console	06:49
sambagirl	i would go find my friend and get my usb stick back and reinstall a netinstall	06:49
Josh483	its not on the usb anymore i deleted it	06:49
Josh483	i dont even remember what i used	06:49
sambagirl	you dont have your own usb stick?	06:49
Josh483	i gave it to him	06:50
sambagirl	for ever?	06:50
Josh483	yea i said he can keep it	06:50
Josh483	why do i need to do a net install though	06:50
sambagirl	because you said you dont have a cdrom working and you said you typed in commands someone told you to do and you dont know what or why and your sytem isnt functioning properly and you just installed it tonight and you have nothing on it that is important so you can do it from scratch again that is why	06:51
Josh483	ugh	06:52
sambagirl	well maybe one of the super duper guru wizards in here can help you if they are willing to help i mean.	06:52
sambagirl	personally if it were me, i wouldnt hesitate to install it again.	06:53
Josh483	is anyone else here	06:53
Josh483	i just really dont want to reinstall it	06:53
sambagirl	well then you really dont want to have a stable system from the git go in my opinion.	06:53
Josh483	-_-	06:54
sambagirl	you have to be honest with yourself	06:54
sambagirl	i wouldnt even mess about i would do a fresh install period.	06:54
sambagirl	i mean you jsut did it tongith and its not working they way you want, so why dont you do a fresh install?	06:55
sambagirl	i don't understand?	06:55
Josh483	well not tonight a few days ago but yea	06:55
Josh483	it was just so annoying and took sooooooooo long	06:56
Josh483	like 2 hours	06:56
sambagirl	and why you gave your friend your usb stick forever and you now don't have one and don't haev a functioning optical drive, i don't follow at all?	06:56
sambagirl	well you dont have to sit there and baby sit it you know.	06:56
sambagirl	2 hours?	06:56
Josh483	yea	06:56
sambagirl	what are you on dialu?	06:56
Josh483	yea	06:56
sambagirl	netzero?	06:56
Josh483	netzerp	06:56
Josh483	netzero'	06:56
Josh483	its so slow	06:57
sambagirl	ok	06:57
sambagirl	what is it midnight there?	06:57
Josh483	thats why i really really need aqn alternative to another install	06:57
Josh483	yea almost midnight	06:58
Josh483	well for me its like 3 a,	06:58
Josh483	am	06:58
Josh483	but iam in another timezone now	06:58
sambagirl	i dont follow? it's either midnight or 3am?	06:58
Josh483	so its 12 am here	06:58
Josh483	i just got here today im still on my time	06:58
Josh483	but yea here its 12	06:59
sambagirl	got where?	06:59
Josh483	california	06:59
Josh483	lol	06:59
sambagirl	but oregon and california are in the same time zone?	06:59
Josh483	im from newyork	06:59
sambagirl	ohh	06:59
Josh483	lol	06:59
Josh483	where did you get oregon from?	07:00
sambagirl	nevermind	07:00
Josh483	lol	07:00
sambagirl	why dont you just go to one of those cali cafes and have a tofu latte and sit with your legs crossed and hum to your laptop and maybe instant karma will have it floating back online?	07:00
Josh483	rofl	07:01
Josh483	i wish it was that easy	07:01
sambagirl	haha	07:01
sambagirl	jsust a sec	07:02
Josh483	cant i reset it to its original settings and make a new account?	07:02
Josh483	and see if it worksw	07:02
Josh483	ok	07:02
sambagirl	type this	07:03
sambagirl	sudo /etc/init.d/NetworkManager start	07:03
Josh483	ok	07:03
sambagirl	sudo ip link set dev eth0 down	07:03
sambagirl	sudo dhclient eth0	07:04
Josh483	i typed the first one in	07:04
Josh483	and it asked me for my pass and i typed it in	07:04
sambagirl	sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart	07:04
Josh483	and then it said command not foun	07:04
sambagirl	try this sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart	07:04
sambagirl	your using your fingers not your toes correct?	07:05
Josh483	yea	07:05
Josh483	i typed it in	07:05
Josh483	it sayd cnnot find devices and failed to bring up eth1	07:05
sambagirl	eth0	07:06
Josh483	?	07:06
sambagirl	look type sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart	07:07
Josh483	same thing happened again	07:07
Josh483	what if i restore gnome-specific settings run following commands in terminal	07:07
sambagirl	ok	07:08
Josh483	rm -rf .gnome .gnome2 .gconf .gconfd .metacity	07:08
Josh483	would that work	07:08
sambagirl	did you install something ?	07:08
sambagirl	are you a student or something?	07:08
Josh483	what do u mean	07:08
Josh483	no why	07:08
sambagirl	are you a business man?	07:09
Josh483	no im a regular person why	07:09
Josh483	?	07:11
sambagirl	i forgot you dont have internet. it's odd you cant access your network. someone in here could probably have you up and running in 2 minutes but nobody is interested in your dilema i suppose.	07:11
Josh483	Sigh	07:12
sambagirl	can you edit your configuration with righclick over network icon?	07:13
Josh483	you mean edit connections?	07:13
sambagirl	yes	07:14
Josh483	yes	07:14
sambagirl	choose that option	07:14
Josh483	i fif	07:14
Josh483	did	07:14
sambagirl	do you have auto ethernet and auto eth0?	07:14
sambagirl	under wired?	07:14
Josh483	itdoesnt say anything	07:15
Josh483	everythings blank	07:15
sambagirl	ok select add	07:15
Josh483	ok	07:16
Josh483	what after	07:16
sambagirl	give it a name in the appropriate field,	07:16
sambagirl	check the box for connect auto	07:16
Josh483	it wont let me	07:16
Josh483	everythings faded out	07:16
Josh483	and locked	07:16
sambagirl	maybe pat_ can help you	07:17
Josh483	pat?	07:17
sambagirl	i guess not :D	07:17
Josh483	D:	07:17
Josh483	can you do like a reset ?	07:18
sambagirl	i dont know how, it's not like you have a restore point you can go back to as far as i know just a mion	07:19
sambagirl	min	07:19
Josh483	ok	07:19
sambagirl	you installed something you had to have.	07:21
Josh483	what??	07:22
sambagirl	opps was in the wrong channel	07:24
sambagirl	http://askubuntu.com/questions/137245/xubuntu-12-04-network-manager-menu-is-displayed-partially	07:24
sambagirl	read that	07:25
sambagirl	have you powered down the laptop?	07:26
Josh483	mine doesnt look like that when i clikc it nothing comes dow	07:26
Josh483	down	07:26
Josh483	and its on why?	07:27
sambagirl	you can do a discharge on it to kill any static elec on the system board and poewr it backup. you have to remove power cord and battery for a discharge, you press power button up down 10 times and then give it a power source.	07:27
Josh483	should i do that?	07:27
sambagirl	well i dont know what you actually did. you said there is nothing on it of any value you said you just installed it and therefore i would reinstall they os when you have the tools to do so.	07:27
sambagirl	i'm to beat rigfht now josh	07:28
sambagirl	i'm sorry i could not help you. to bad nobody else will even try.	07:29
sambagirl	niight and good luck.	07:29
Josh483	its fine atleast you tried to help	07:29
Josh483	night	07:29
Josh88484	Hey can someone help me	07:47
aeternum_solus	yes, I imagine many can	07:47
Josh88484	Ok well my networking wont start anymore	07:48
aeternum_solus	error?	07:48
Josh88484	and i tryed some stuffn in the terminal	07:48
Josh88484	it said tht	07:48
Josh88484	the script im attempting to invoke has been converted to an upstart job?	07:48
Josh88484	is that why its not workin	07:48
Josh88484	g	07:48
aeternum_solus	how are you invoking it?	07:49
aeternum_solus	/etc/init.d/networking restart?	07:49
Josh88484	yea	07:49
Josh88484	it just wont start idk why	07:50
Josh88484	im locked out	07:50
aeternum_solus	hmm. not sure. I'm not a newb, but I'm not exactly a linux guru either	07:50
Josh88484	oh :l	07:51
aeternum_solus	lots of people here are though :)	07:51
Sysi	Josh88484: what kind of network setup do you have?	07:51
Josh88484	do you mean my wifi card?	07:51
Sysi	xubuntu by default uses networkmanager	07:51
Josh88484	yea network manager wont start	07:51
Josh88484	the icon dissapeared	07:51
Sysi	try pressing Alt F2 and running nm-applet	07:52
Josh88484	and when its there it wont let e enable it	07:52
Josh88484	i tryed that already but ill do it again i guess	07:52
Sysi	you need to have notification area in your panel and maybe indicator-applet too	07:52
Josh88484	i think that got dissabled tpp	07:52
Josh88484	too'	07:52
Sysi	add them to panel again, they're needed to show that icon	07:53
Sysi	"sudo service networkmanager restart" to restart networkmanager	07:53
Josh88484	notifications is there but its faded out and i cant select it	07:54
Josh88484	and network managers not there at all	07:54
Sysi	then you probably have notification area in panel already	07:54
Sysi	nm-applet goes to notification area when it runs	07:54
Sysi	what xubuntu version btw?	07:54
Josh88484	i tryed to restart network mannager	07:54
Josh88484	it said unrecognized service	07:55
Josh88484	12.04	07:55
Sysi	clean install or updated?	07:56
Josh88484	clean install	07:56
Sysi	updated from previous release that is, you should install updates if you haven't yet	07:56
Josh88484	what	07:56
Josh88484	?	07:56
Sysi	is your system up-to-date, have you installed updates?	07:57
Josh88484	i did a clean install so it should be	07:57
Josh88484	?	07:58
Josh88484	plus i cant do anything it cant connect to t he internet cause network managers not working	07:58
Sysi	no, install disks don't contain newest software, you need to install updates	07:58
Josh88484	i did a netinsta;;	07:58
Josh88484	netinstall	07:59
Sysi	does anything happen when you start nm-applet?	07:59
Josh88484	i tryed nm-applet but nothing happens?	07:59
Josh88484	it said it failed to regester as an agent	08:00
Josh88484	the name networkmanager was not provided by any service files	08:00
Sysi	try to run nm-applet in terminal	08:01
Josh88484	i did both	08:01
Sysi	any errors?	08:01
Josh88484	just in terminal	08:01
Josh88484	what i just wrote was whjat it said	08:01
Josh88484	nothing happens without terminal though	08:01
Sysi	you only told error about networkmanager, whick is because it's apparently "service network-manager start"	08:02
Josh88484	?	08:03
Sysi	run that in terminal, then run nm-applet in terminal	08:03
Josh88484	ok	08:03
Josh88484	is there a space between service and network-manager	08:04
Sysi	yup	08:04
Josh88484	kk	08:04
Josh88484	ok i did it	08:04
Josh88484	same thing came up	08:05
Sysi	are you on wired connection?	08:05
Josh88484	Started applet secret agent because GNOME shell dissapeared?	08:05
Josh88484	im on my phone	08:05
Josh88484	well tablet	08:06
Josh88484	but i use it as my phone too	08:06
Sysi	I mean your computer, how is it connected to the internet	08:06
Josh88484	Well it would be connected with wifi but its not working	08:07
Josh88484	?	08:09
Josh88484	Hello?	08:16
Josh9449	Can someone help me?	09:00
aquix	can you connect using a ethernet cable?	09:04
baizon	what is the question? :)	09:07
aquix	network troubles..	09:08
hystryfe	hey does anyone have any advice for cleaning up the boot process for xubuntu? specifically, i'm wondering about some scripts that i see in /etc/init.d and /etc for things i have uninstalled	09:08
baizon	hystryfe: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=89491	09:09
baizon	that should help	09:09
hystryfe	thanks that's exactly what i was looking for but for some reason google neglected to show me ;D	09:10
baizon	:)	09:11
livingdaylight	hi	09:20
baizon	hi hi	09:20
livingdaylight	hi baizon	09:20
baizon	im just a bot... your question please :)	09:20
livingdaylight	baizon, you're enjoying Ubuntu Unity but you're in xubuntu? :)	09:21
baizon	of course, im supporting as much as i can	09:21
livingdaylight	I have an AWN dock question actually :s	09:21
livingdaylight	I added a couple applets and just don't see how to remove them	09:21
baizon	livingdaylight: just pick it up and move from the awn dock	09:22
livingdaylight	preferences shows a delte tab but it doesn't activate whatever I do, including selecting the applet I wish to remove, which seems obvious.	09:22
livingdaylight	tried that too	09:22
livingdaylight	I pick it up and move to desktop and nothing	09:23
baizon	Drag the active applet back to the list of available applets.	09:23
livingdaylight	in the preferences dialog?	09:23
livingdaylight	gotcha	09:24
livingdaylight	thank you baizon	09:24
baizon	np	09:24
livingdaylight	easy, and maybe not counter-intuitive, but it didn't occur to me :)	09:25
livingdaylight	the 'delete' tab which does nothing is misleading :)	09:25
baizon	hehe	09:25
livingdaylight	ok, thanks again	09:26
baizon	your welcome	09:26
livingdaylight	bye for now	09:26
baizon	see you	09:26
livingdaylight	time to go to the farmers market and get a bit of sun while i'm at it	09:26
gmagno	hello. I'm using the super key to open applications menu ("start" menu) but I'm also using super+'e' to open thunar. Everytime I open thunar the applications menu also pops up because super key was pressed as wel. Is there any trick to make this not happen?	10:52
knome	well, you can remove the other shortcut of course	10:53
baizon	indeed	10:54
baizon	im using alt+F1 for the menu	10:54
gmagno	knome, but I use both shortcuts...	10:54
knome	gmagno, there's no way to make the computer guess which one you want	10:55
gmagno	I thout the gui or the os, would understand that Super != Super+'e'	10:55
knome	yes, but super+e has super too.	10:55
knome	and you are most probaby pressing it first	10:55
knome	so the system expects you to want to open app menu.	10:56
knome	set the app menu to super+alt or something.	10:56
gmagno	interesting... it is not that linear knome	10:57
gmagno	i just tried something interesting	10:57
gmagno	if you press super + 'e' and wait a bit longer	10:57
gmagno	apps menu (the super shortcut) won't pop up	10:58
knome	ok. then that.	10:58
gmagno	in fact, I have to realease first 'e' and then Super	10:58
gmagno	but it does not work all the time...	10:59
gmagno	nevermind...	10:59
gmagno	i'll survive	10:59
knome	my advice is not to use overlapping shortcut keys	10:59
gmagno	:-/	10:59
gmagno	right...	11:00
gmagno	thanks anyway	11:00
knome	np	11:00
jb999	Hello evryone	12:13
jb999	i would need help about ctrl+1, ctrl+2, ..., ctrl+0 hotkey beug	12:15
The_Cog	jb999: What's the bug?	12:17
jb999	thanks for your help Cog	12:18
jb999	I use a french version of Xubuntu	12:19
jb999	and i can't use the hotkeys : ctrl+1, ctrl+2, ..., ctrl+0 on LibreOffice	12:19
Sysi	disable them for workspace switching, in window manager settings	12:21
jb999	the computeur think i use ctrl+&, ctrl+é, ... (1234567890 are the french Shift of &é"'(-è_çà )	12:21
jb999	that's not realy a bug, but i've not found a solution for this problem	12:22
jb999	Sysi	12:26
Sysi	you should at least see if those keys are reserved and try removing them in settings if that's the case	12:27
jb999	this hotkey arn't used by workspace switching, furthermore when i activate my numlock (Fn+Num LK) i can use this hotkeys	12:28
jb999	i use a netbook, so the numeric keypad is not easy to use (fn + inser to activate, same keypad to deasable)	12:31
jb999	but i need the key pad ctrl+1, +2, ..., +0 on LibreOffice	12:32
jb999	(the hotkey)	12:33
The_Cog	On my LibreOffice, Ctrl+1, Ctrl+2, Ctrl+3 change the paragraph to Heading-1, Heading-2, Heading-3. Is this what doesn't work in your setup?	12:33
jb999	no becaus my computer thinks i want the hotkey ctrl+& when i want ctrl+1, ctrl+é when i want ctrl+2, etc...	12:34
jb999	i've also tried to push the key to lock Caps, it change nothing	12:37
Padfoot30	Hi all! I installed the ubuntu-desktop package on top of Xubuntu 12.04 using "sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop --no-install-recommends"	13:18
Padfoot30	then I encountered probs	13:18
holstein	Padfoot30: where did you read to do that?	13:19
Padfoot30	I booted into Unity 2D but there was no session menu, dash home didn't work, etc	13:19
Padfoot30	A blog: mylinuxexplore.blogspot.com	13:19
holstein	can you still see/use the xubuntu session? any XFCE session?	13:20
Padfoot30	(the blogger didn't mention the argument in the command)	13:20
holstein	Padfoot30: where did you get the argument?	13:20
Padfoot30	Yeah, Xfce works fine.	13:21
knome	that should work, but there's no guarantee nothing will break	13:21
Padfoot30	Even KDE works fine	13:21
Padfoot30	The argument, well, I read somewhere else.	13:21
holstein	i have always had issues here and there with the meta-packages and using them at the same time... i install lxde instead of lubuntu-desktop for example	13:22
holstein	but, yeah.. it should be find to install ubuntu-desktop	13:22
holstein	i would probably try reinstalling without that argument, or just purge it and run a live CD to look at unity	13:22
knome	Padfoot30, i can't imagine anything else than something in lightdm breaking unity, so maybe you want to do dkpg-reconfigure lightdm	13:23
knome	dpkg- ...	13:23
Padfoot30	holstein, yeah live cd is fine but right now I'm running low on data, and that's why the argument	13:24
Padfoot30	knome, sorry but I'm not quite an experienced user. I don't exactly know what's lightdm. Is it something like kdm and xfdm?	13:25
holstein	i would refer to the writer of the article that suggested the argument.. i have never used it	13:25
Padfoot30	Basically, the argument eliminates the recommended packages, keeping only what's essential	13:26
holstein	sure.. but its a meta-package.. i would expect a lot of recommends, and all of them to be important	13:27
Padfoot30	so less data usage	13:27
knome	holstein, nothing "recommended" shouldn't be critial though	13:27
knome	Padfoot30, yes, it's the login manager	13:27
holstein	you would think... but its the main environment... and something is borked	13:28
Padfoot30	but I didn't really need Rhythmbox, Thunderbird, Empathy, etc.	13:28
knome	holstein, a recommend for a file manager might be some plugin to handle network mounts, which is in no way critical for the file manager to work :)	13:28
knome	Padfoot30, rhythmbox isn't installed with xubuntu though ;)	13:28
knome	bbl, lunch/dinner	13:29
holstein	Padfoot30: you can try as the guest user... or another user you makd	13:29
holstein	make*	13:29
Padfoot30	knome, yeah but it was gonna be downloaded with that package,	13:29
Padfoot30	if I didn't use the argument	13:30
Padfoot30	Anyway, I guess I'll have to get the full package now! Thanks holstein and knome for your help!	13:34
c_smith	hello, I'm having trouble getting Compiz to start on startup on Xubuntu 12.04 64-bit, I have "compiz --replace" in an entry to the startup programs, is there anything I am doing wrong?	15:06
c_smith	nevermind, found out what I was doing wrong, I should be adding the fusion icon to the startup programs instead of compiz itself.	15:10
recon69_lap	another satisfied customer :) , glad you got it fixed, dont think many here care about wiggly windows	15:11
c_smith	eh, I just use it to show off the functionality Linux CAN have in, say, a coffeeshop.	15:14
c_smith	and how it could really look good.	15:14
c_smith	is there anyone here with any experience with Samba?	15:53
recon69_lap	c_smith: best to just ask your question, I have used samba but not sure if it counts as experience :)	16:00
c_smith	eh, I figured it out, but I'll tell you what the outcome is: use system-config-samba instead of Nautilus-share.	16:04
c_smith	that's what I ended up having to do.	16:04
Sysi	samba would be worth a try, because windows shares never seem to work from windows	16:07
c_smith	Sysi, I know, and I use Samba to share music with the household (although for my own reasons, I give the share read-only access)	16:36
ikonia	l/ast dfrost	16:57
ikonia	oops	16:57
knome	congrats ikonia :)	16:58
rhin0	what would cause xubuntu 10.04 to lose its hardware drivers after a while on a dell laptop	17:49
rhin0	they just unload	17:49
rhin0	im moving back to ubuntu 10.04 on that machine just to see if that solve	17:49
rhin0	ie. its happened twice	17:49
rhin0	both graphics driver and wireless driver gone	17:50
rhin0	like they're not loaded	17:50
rhin0	machine running fine for a week then BANG both drivers gone	17:51
holstein	rhin0: kernel upgrade... firmware upgrade... misconfiguration.. bad memory, bad hard drive	17:51
rhin0	1 no 2 no 3 never touch it ie bios setup 4 - would be pretty sure its not memory	17:51
rhin0	5 is an ssd	17:51
Sysi	jockey-gtk acting up, did that multiple times for me	17:51
rhin0	never had problems with it	17:51
rhin0	what - you've had the same problem Sysi?	17:52
Sysi	with nvidia driver, yes	17:53
rhin0	what the hell would cause drivers to just unload	17:53
rhin0	i don't get it	17:53
Sysi	gladly there are three version released after 10.04, even one LTS	17:53
knome	rhin0, watch the language please	17:54
rhin0	well hell I like 10.04	17:54
rhin0	been through them all	17:54
rhin0	ok	17:54
Sysi	no matter what you like, how much you like, it will die	17:54
rhin0	10.04 gives me least problems	17:55
rhin0	ubuntu should be like debian imo (1 version)	17:56
rhin0	its all over the place - stick with what works - shouldn't be about marketing	17:56
rhin0	everyones trying to emulate the microsoft model	17:57
Sysi	you just told you have awful problems with drivers	17:57
rhin0	they do not give a hoot about their customers	17:57
rhin0	I have temporary problems which last a few hours	17:57
rhin0	bbl	17:57
knome	if ubuntu should be like debian, why aren't you using debian? just wondering...	17:58
rhin0	because I haven't got the energy to configure it	17:59
rhin0	ubuntu is easier	17:59
holstein	rhin0: whats the issue? did you run upgrades? if you have a kernel upgrade, then i would try booting the old one	18:00
rhin0	is xubuntu 12.04 lts?	18:00
astraljava	rhin0: If you think of LTS's as the debian stable releases, then ubuntu pretty much is like debian.	18:00
rhin0	maybe i'll d/l try 12.04 lts	18:00
rhin0	is 12.04 xfce?	18:00
rhin0	ok ok -- looking	18:01
rhin0	gotta be an improvement	18:01
rhin0	I have actually ran it for a short time - wil d/l it upgrade	18:02
rhin0	ty very much	18:02
holstein	rhin0: xubuntu is XFCE, thats what the x is	18:02
holstein	there is an ubuntu 12.04, and xubuntu 12.04 (and others)	18:02
rhin0	ubuntu lose me with unity	18:06
rhin0	can't abide	18:06
rhin0	lost me	18:06
rhin0	i know what ubuntus there are xubuntu lubuntu mint ubuntu	18:07
holstein	rhin0: you have no need to.. there are options.. you dont even need to comment about unity at all.. you can and are encourged to choose what environemtn you like, such as XFCE, and enjoy it	18:07
rhin0	can't think of any others	18:07
holstein	rhin0: mint is not one	18:07
Sysi	mint isn't ubuntu	18:07
rhin0	i thought it was an ubuntu	18:07
rhin0	ok	18:07
xubuntu326	hello guys could i have some help	18:07
rhin0	we are here to serve xubuntu	18:07
rhin0	326	18:08
holstein	rhin0: it is based on ubuntu, as are many things.. and as ubuntu is based on debian (bascially)	18:08
xubuntu326	awsome im running xubuntu	18:08
xubuntu326	im trying to install my usb wirless adaptor but dont have a clue how to	18:08
xubuntu326	i have been on fourums tried many methods but will not work	18:08
holstein	rhin0: http://www.ubuntu.com/project/about-ubuntu/derivatives if you'd like more information	18:09
rhin0	ok thanks holstein	18:09
holstein	xubuntu326: i would plug it into wired internet, and see if you see a popup about "restricted drivers"	18:09
xubuntu326	i am now on wired	18:09
rhin0	xubuntu i can't help you there all my usb keys work belkin netgear .. standard types - sounds like you have a non standard type - may need driver from manufacturers website -- there will also be a compatibility list somewhere for your wireless usb key	18:10
rhin0	mine just work (pick up network) when you plug them in -- generally only use them to get hardware driver for laptop	18:10
xubuntu326	i installed wireless on software centre put my stick in and it doesnt do anything	18:10
rhin0	gotta go someone else may help you	18:10
xubuntu326	mine is tenda w311u i no it is compatable as other users have had it wrking	18:10
holstein	xubuntu326: you can always use the windows driver.. theres a GUI for that.. ndisgtk	18:11
holstein	http://kimbriggs.com/computers/computer-notes/linux-notes/ubuntu-linux-wi-fi-card.file	18:11
xubuntu326	thanks will take a look and let you no	18:12
holstein	xubuntu326: its not really going to help to say "others have had it working".. manufacturers can switch chipsets... you can run "lsusb" in a terminal, and get the information about the device, and search for assistance	18:12
xubuntu326	Ralink rt2870 its on that oone	18:13
xubuntu326	sorry im read with linux	18:14
xubuntu326	rubbish	18:14
rhin0	I never said that holstein	18:15
rhin0	you use ndisdriver	18:15
rhin0	to use the windows driver if you can't find native linux driver	18:16
holstein	xubuntu326: it is not you who is rubbish... some vendors do not allow linux to support the products easily... im sure you'll get it sorted	18:16
rhin0	its a wrapper for the windows driver	18:16
holstein	rhin0: said what?	18:16
rhin0	oh hang on thought you were talkkng to me mis-direct ignore me	18:16
rhin0	bbl	18:16
holstein	rhin0: no worries	18:17
xubuntu326	u di no it is supported just finding the driver	18:17
rhin0	you can download the windows driver files -- then wrap then using "ndiswrapper" xubuntu336	18:17
xubuntu326	how do i wrap ?	18:17
rhin0	so it drives using windows drivers (wrapped)	18:17
rhin0	you must find out how to configure "ndiswrapper"	18:17
rhin0	get the windows drivers for your usb wireless dongle	18:17
xubuntu326	i presume this s a loong nprocess	18:17
holstein	xubuntu326: if its supported, i would ask the vendor for support.. otherwise, i would just point ndisgtk to the windwos driver and see if that works	18:17
rhin0	longer than getting native linux driver	18:18
xubuntu326	it says invalid driver	18:18
holstein	xubuntu326: its literally.. download the windwos driver, open ndisgtk... choose it... try	18:18
xubuntu326	is it the inf file i use ?	18:18
holstein	xubuntu326: you can always point it at everyone and see what the gui will use.. but yes, it should be that one	18:19
xubuntu326	ok well i got the ndissgtk do i need anyother software	18:19
holstein	xubuntu326: you shouldnt.. just the proper windows driver	18:20
xubuntu326	it even has a linux folder on the disk but n inf file	18:21
holstein	xubuntu326: it?	18:22
xubuntu326	on the disk the device came with	18:22
holstein	xubuntu326: cool.. you can try that one then... should be a "readme" somewhere with what kernels are supported and what you are intended to do	18:23
xubuntu326	no read me in there	18:24
xubuntu326	i have found one in another folder what would i open a read me with	18:25
xubuntu326	sorry im not got knowledge with this os im more windows	18:25
holstein	xubuntu326: then use the windows driver	18:25
xubuntu326	all i get is invalid driver with the windows driver	18:26
holstein	xubuntu326: i would call the manufacturer and ask about the driver	18:26
c_smith	does anyone here know what I would put for the application menu name so I can bind it to the super key?	18:26
holstein	actually, if it were me, id return it, and get a more friendly card	18:26
xubuntu326	have done they are chinese and dont have a clue	18:27
holstein	c_smith: what application? you can open a terminaln and try tab complete	18:27
xubuntu326	its a really good card for windows lol	18:27
c_smith	the XFCE4 menu on the panel.	18:27
c_smith	currently i have xfce-popup-applicationsmenu	18:28
holstein	c_smith: i would probably type xfce in the terminal and hit tab, and read the options.. until someone who knows chimes in	18:29
c_smith	kk	18:29
c_smith	heh got it. the entry I wanted was xfce4-popup-applicationsmenu	18:30
holstein	c_smith: cool!...	18:31
c_smith	was missing the 4	18:31
c_smith	xfce ftw! :D	18:31
c_smith	thanks for that bit of info about tabbing with Terminal. did not know that was a viable way to do that. :)	18:31
Papa	helloooo guys	19:43
nasserash	hi all, is it possible to enable VSync with xfwm4? I get tearing when dragging windows around. I have a thinkpad X220 with intel graphics.	21:29
DominicLow	not sure if that is possible but you could try propreitory drivers and such first?	21:33
nasserash	DominicLow, I have an intel sandy bridge card. so it's all open source	21:36
asterismo	does somebody uses PCmanfm?	22:45
asterismo	anyway to remove context menu entries in PCman when clicking in folders?	22:47
asterismo	It has this many options, Files, Files, File Manager, File Manager, Open Folder With Thunar	22:48
asterismo	can i remove them?	22:48
grizlo42	hey all - 2 things: 1) wanted to thank the xubuntu community for making an AWESOME os experience 2) speaking of awesome, I heard about a patch for xfce to support tiling and was curious if anyone here has experience with using it	22:57
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MikeDRU	Hello everybody, I am stucked with my xubuntu because it doesn't let me boot into my own user profile (which is the root). One week ago it didn't allow me to enter to any profile, and the answer to the login was "stopping v system runlevel compatibility." SO I checked out the forum, updated the packages in the Ctrl+Alt+F1 mode and now it allows me to enter as a guest, but not as the main user, and the answer is "could not write byt	23:28
MikeDRU	Anybody able to help me? Please be patient, I'm a beginner	23:28
MikeDRU	anybody out there?	23:41
David-A	MikeDRU: what is the error when you log in from a Ctrl+Alt+F1 consol? do you ever come to the normal graphical login page? (you should not have user "root" as your normal login)	23:42
MikeDRU	David-A: Unfortunately I do have user root as my normal login. I come to the normal graphic interface, I try to log in into it, and the answer is "Cold not write bytes: broken pipes" and then "Saned disabled; edit/etc/default/saved". Sometimes also "Checking battery", but not always	23:47

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