[04:34] apachelogger_ tells me I should install the cmake from quantal -- where is the best place to ask how to do that? [04:34] * valorie was trying to test newest phonon and newest backends [04:35] but Amarok isn't using them although they are installed === jussio1 is now known as jussi [07:56] Darkwing: works for me [08:38] Hi! Can somebody confirm in ubuntu-translators mailing list if kubuntu-docs can be translated and will be packaged with translations for 12.10 (I heard that Littlegirl has no time to finish her great work for this cycle)? [08:39] yurchor: I imagine we'll still put it up for translation [08:41] Riddell: What is the reason for this? Its translation just a waste of time now... [08:42] yurchor: not really, it's mostly still all relevant [08:43] Last cycle (12.04) minor changes by DarkwingDuck just broke all translations right before the release... Littlegirl told on IRC that she also want many minor changes. And you know how LP Rosetta treat such minor changes. [08:44] So, will the translations for 12.10 docs be released? [08:45] yes should be [08:46] Riddell: Ok. Thanks. [08:47] The last edition by DarkwingDuck is the 12.10 release edition, right? [08:54] Ok. Does anybody know why about chapter is extracted to "about" template, not "kubuntu-docs-about" as it should be? [09:03] yurchor: where do you see that? [09:04] Riddell: https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/quantal/+lang/uk/+index?batch=75&memo=150&start=150 [09:04] "about" is the first template in kubuntu-docs series. [09:07] yurchor: mm, interesting, the package only makes foo.pot not kubuntu-docs-foo.pot [09:07] Darkwing: any idea what's going on there? [10:24] shadeslayer: did folks work out what issue afiestas_ was having last night or is that still to be investigated? [10:33] Riddell: for kubuntu-desktop being removed? nope, yofel proposed it might be archive skew ... [10:33] but the sure shot way to test is to use a quantal alpha image and upgrade === yofel_ is now known as yofel [10:33] morning [10:33] evening :) [10:37] Riddell: shadeslayer: I installed the Alpha3 image yesterday and upgraded, nothing was removed AFAICS [10:51] I guess archive skew then :P [10:53] Mamarok: i386 or amd64? [10:53] amd64 [10:53] I don't use i386 anymore since ages :) [10:53] ok guess that's sorted [10:54] that would probably be fixed by uploading to -proposed but hmm yet another step [10:54] yeah [10:54] Riddell: but it's for the better, will prevent archive skews [10:55] as long as copying doesn't involve rebuilding everything [10:56] it doesn't, that's the point of it [10:57] right .. [10:57] send new policy to kubuntu devel? [10:57] for discussion et all [10:59] can do yes [10:59] there's a question of knowing for what packages it's useful for, having to check for presense for arch:all packages is yet another faffy step [11:00] Riddell: I believe the entire KDE SC is critical enough to go into -proposed [11:01] shadeslayer: when we do a mass KDE SC upload yes but if just upload e.g. ark that shouldn't be necessary [11:01] Riddell: right, so if a source doesn't have a arch:all package, just dump it into the main component [11:01] grep for arch all? [11:03] yeah, faff [11:10] shadeslayer: actually it's checking if all and any are both present, all-only packages won't break [11:11] I'm fine with using -proposed, if we get the packages copied to main in a reasonable amount of time [11:12] that's the main bit of faff, you can't just upload and forget about it (watching for failing e-mails) you have to check back and copy manually when it's done [11:12] yofel: are there (KDE) packages that are only arch any? [11:12] shadeslayer: kde-wallpapers should be [11:12] shadeslayer: was it you who pointed out someone who was interested in working on printer-applet at akademy? [11:12] nope [11:12] yofel: ah, right [11:13] s/any/all/ [11:13] yofel: You did something wrong... Try s/you/me/ or tell me "help sed" [11:13] the terms any and all are really confusing >.> [11:13] agreed ~.~ [11:14] I frequently have to check if all is what I think it is [11:41] tazz: did you call me a couple of minutes ago? [12:18] voila http://www.kubuntu.org/news/calligra-2.5 [12:19] anyone want to take amarok 2.6 final? [12:19] shadeslayer, nope [12:19] hmm [12:20] Riddell: if no one takes it up till tonight, I'll do it === tazz_ is now known as tazz [13:20] there seems to be alot of demand for a backup mechanism [13:20] ( from what I've read on the forums ) [13:25] it's something we dropped with Keep going in KDE 4 transition [13:25] ubuntu desktop has something using ubuntu one [13:26] it would be nicer to have something using owncloud (and a link in with an owncloud provider etc) [13:26] ubuntu has dejadup I think [13:27] ah yes [13:27] good god [13:27] vala [13:27] gosh, surprising [14:01] allee: from what I can see, digikam has too many ubuntu specific modifications, hence cannot be sync'd [14:02] updating it to 2.8.0 though [14:03] and the entire diff is basically stuff that we've added [14:03] allee: how did you get on with networkmanager? [14:05] Riddell: 0.6.0.4 is in ppa:allee/test Not much has changed, so only change is new changelog entry. There are some linitian error but AFAIU there existed in 0.6.0.3 too. [14:06] Riddell: I used the new pkg over the weekend with ethernet, VPA and cisco vpn. No problem. Had no time to test the enterprise-missing-pw dialog bug yet. [14:07] according to upstream blog it's not fixed for all cases. [14:09] shadeslayer: yes, too many diffs unfortunately. Once we should coordinate with debian to consolidate the lib&dev pkgs [14:09] allee: cool I'll get it uploaded then [14:09] allee: actually, I don't think debian is interested in shipping libkface [14:09] or for that matter, other libs [14:09] will talk to msp [14:10] they would have started shipping them a long time ago if they were interested [14:10] or maybe someone just doesn't want to do it xD [14:11] shadeslayer: is the split they really needed? At least long ago digikam upstream was not good in keeping binary compat or bumping .so version ;) [14:12] http://imgur.com/TUfm8 [14:12] thoughts? [14:13] apachelogger_: all I see is that hair flip girl on the right [14:14] hi dantti, am I right in thinking that having print-manager suggest a driver for the user is quite a bit task? [14:14] apachelogger_: dunno, feels weird [14:14] Riddell: how do you mean? [14:14] big [14:14] I want something like the OS X login screen [14:14] Riddell: well not the way I'm doing now [14:14] apachelogger_: http://cdn.thetechjournal.com/wp-content/uploads/images/1106/1308311265-new-login-screen-on-mac-os-x-lion-2.jpg [14:15] Riddell: actually I just need to finish the packagekit integration to ask for kdereview [14:15] dantti: well at the minute if I want to set up my printer in s-c-p-k I just follow the wizard prompts but in print-manager it doesn't suggest anything [14:15] Riddell: I offloaded this task to s-c-p dbus interface [14:16] Riddell: have you tries last version? it should show you the same result, if it doesn't then it's a bug [14:16] shadeslayer: yes? [14:16] apachelogger_: do not like, too much text, not alot of pictures [14:16] apachelogger_: IMHO move pw prompt to the right of the username, otherwise list entries are always moved around when pw prompt (dis)appears. [14:16] http://www.techfeb.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/windows-8-login-screen-in-windows-xp.pnghttp://www.techfeb.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/windows-8-login-screen-in-windows-xp.png [14:17] apachelogger_: if the user had an icon. Where would it be shown? [14:17] Riddell: it also works with Cups 1.6 now, tho I think I'll need to talk to Avahi now.. [14:17] "Page not found. Whoops" [14:17] allee: not at all [14:17] messes with ariya minimalism [14:17] dantti: what's the latest version? [14:17] apachelogger_: yus, that looks pretty good [14:18] Riddell: well the one on my blog should do the trick, or you can try git which has some fixes but this part should be working already [14:20] shadeslayer: who looks pretty good? [14:21] apachelogger_: I would try to move the list a bit to the right. would look more light ;) [14:21] it's by no means final, just a hack I did over the weekend [14:22] apachelogger_: this http://www.techfeb.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/windows-8-login-screen-in-windows-xp.png [14:22] what with qml's listview being crap and me ending up writing an own listview in qml only :S [14:22] apachelogger_: http://cdn.thetechjournal.com/wp-content/uploads/images/1106/1308311265-new-login-screen-on-mac-os-x-lion-2.jpg is what I'd like to see :P [14:22] yeah [14:22] except they are both crap as they both have nothing to do with oxygen style [14:23] true, so something more oxygen'ish [14:23] what's more ... we have no high-res user pics [14:23] we need a artist to do mockups :P [14:23] apachelogger_: doesn't need high res pics [14:23] which IMHO makes displaying the icons less of a thing you want to do [14:23] shadeslayer: you do if it ought to look good [14:24] apachelogger_: after a certain resolution, it's pointless to have a higher res pic [14:24] you can put a cow an 16x16 pic and it will look like some very ugly person [14:24] yes [14:24] but there's no point in putting a 1080x1080 res pic [14:24] because it'll look the same as a 256x256 pic [14:24] ( on the login screen ) [14:25] dantti: ooh yes that works using git version [14:25] interesting thought [14:26] apachelogger_: I know this because tp also has the same issues with avatars :P [14:26] some avatars are crap while others have a very high res which just takes up bandwidth and doesn't offer alot of improvement [14:26] that was sarcasm on my part [14:26] sry [14:26] :| [14:26] whyever you bring that up is beyond me :P [14:27] we have 16x16 or something, so you start talking about 100 times a big picture not making sense :P [14:27] I've lost you now :P [14:28] Riddell: cool :) [14:28] shadeslayer: happens [14:29] anyhow -> no pics unless it looks snazzy, won't look snazzy unless the platform moves to a sane resolution [14:29] dantti: ah but it doesn't pre-select the recommended driver [14:29] my take on it anyway [14:29] Riddell: hmm a bug to fix then ;) [14:30] dantti: do you have a feeling if this is ready to replace s-c-p-k? [14:30] shadeslayer: you know, I totally want some subtle graphics effect somehow there :P [14:31] apachelogger_: and I want powermanagement via lightdm, but we both know that's not going to happen anytime soon :P [14:31] Riddell: I think pretty much, surely there are some small bugs like this pre-select thing but several people have tested without majos bugs.. [14:31] blank aryia is so staggeringly useless tho :P [14:31] shadeslayer: I thought afiestas_ made that happen [14:31] he did? [14:31] maybe in master [14:31] haven't checked that yet [14:31] I wonder why cups can't set up the printer for me when I plug in, it says it can't find the driver [14:31] Riddell: also speaking about features it even has a few more like action buttons when you plug the printer on usb [14:31] apachelogger_: ask nuno in #oxygen [14:32] about? [14:32] apachelogger_: lightdm mockups [14:32] Riddell: well that is s-c-p-udev job, your model isn't matching a goob ppd I think [14:32] like he isn't busy and stuff? :P [14:32] apachelogger_: who knows :P [14:32] still waiting for a dragon3 mockup [14:33] "virtual memory exhausted: Cannot allocate memory: [14:33] yay [14:35] http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/2426/login21.png [14:36] good enough [14:38] totally does not work on a small screen tho [14:39] apachelogger_: it's hard to please all the users :P [14:40] we should not screw them over regardless :P [14:45] dantti: what extras do i get with cups 1.6 turned on? [14:46] Riddell: extras? hehe [14:46] you actually only have less stuff in 1.6 [14:46] it's Apple way of saying f** you linux [14:46] now to browse remote printers we need avahi [14:47] a bunch of filters are now available as a third package [14:47] Riddell: the api changed for better imo, but now I need to make sure I won't need to talk to avahi too [14:48] printd FTW [14:48] but that won't happen so soon I think [14:49] almos like wayland [14:49] printd is a replacement for cups? [14:49] It pretends to be only for local printers for instance [14:50] but I'd love to rewrite print-manager for it ... much easier to use DBus API... CUPS API is a pain [15:08] anyone fancy doing me a favour and guest posting my blog to their blog? mine doesn't appear on planet ubuntu for some reason [15:10] anyone on phonon-backend-vlc 0.6.0? [16:15] ScottK: print-manager is in New should you be in a New mood === skaet_ is now known as skaet === skreech_ is now known as Daskreech === ronnoc_ is now known as ronnoc === ronnoc_ is now known as ronnoc [19:05] have we got calligra 2.5 ppa's aready ? [19:07] * shadeslayer is bogged down with other woek [19:07] *work [19:11] jussi: which ones? from what I see we already have calligra 2.5 [19:11] yofel: as I see from planet u it was released recently. [19:11] and we have it... [19:12] my apologies... [19:12] JontheEchidna: could you possibly add an 'upgrade' button as drop-down alternative to 'Full Upgrade' in muon? I currently have to fallback to CLI because libav is broken but I don't want to remove the packages - but muon gives me no way to do so [19:12] jussi: np :) [19:13] JontheEchidna: what it does here is show them as being removed, and when I want to unmark one it tells me that other packages are broken too so it cannot do that [19:13] apt-get upgrade happily keeps them back [19:14] yofel: you can do Edit -> Cautious Upgrade to get that behavior [19:14] actually, you could probably configure the toolbar to put the cautious upgrade action in [19:14] well hidden feature... thanks [19:14] allee: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/digikam [19:16] jtechidna: what's 'Undo' supposed to do btw.? I tried it here after attempting to upgrade, but even with all changes "undone" I still have my upgrade in the change preview [19:18] yofel: hmm, try mousing over the packages [19:18] it may be a bug that I never got around to fixing & forgot about [19:18] where the status labels never change until the view is repainted :P [19:19] well, they're still marked for upgrade from what I see [19:20] can't reproduce :( [19:21] well, here's what I see after opening the preview after undoing everything: http://people.ubuntu.com/~yofel/pics/m1.png [19:21] let's see if I can reproduce that (this is 1.3.95 btw.) [19:23] no o.O [19:23] :s [19:23] weird [19:24] maybe there was an edge case where the original undo/redo state was lost? [19:30] could be, but now I can't reproduce it anymore -.- [19:31] I'll try to get the repaint bug fixed now that I remember about it :P [19:34] 5 minute patch. I'll apply it when I get back home :) [19:34] back in 2010 when I first noticed it I didn't know how to fix it and forgot about it :P [19:34] it's been in every release of Muon, but surprisingly nobody's ever complained [19:35] heh. At least cautious upgrade seems to work fine now :) [19:35] except... [19:35] * yofel goes digging into polkit-kde code *-.- [19:36] fun times [19:50] great, the "select current user in polkit dialog when more than one user exists" issue was fixed in git 8 monts ago - polkit-kde-agent-1 just never does releases... [19:51] * yofel cherry-picks [19:52] jtechidna: another bug that I believe should be fixed is that when a user cancels the upgrade, the upgrade keeps on going in the background [19:52] I think I've mentioned this a couple of times [19:52] shadeslayer: you can't really "cancel" that... [19:52] qaptworker keeps on going [19:52] at least not while it's in progress [19:52] no I mean when it's downloading packages [19:52] you can cancel that [19:52] oh [19:52] qaptworker hangs around idle for 30 seconds, and then quits [19:53] but it doesn't continue the upgrade [19:53] oh hmm, I didn't wait for 30 seconds [19:53] anyone else having issues logging in with 12.10? [19:54] Darkwing: make sure you have kubuntu-desktop and kde-workspace-bin [19:54] if not, then please show logs :) [19:54] jtechidna: whee, works [19:55] shadeslayer, will do [19:57] shadeslayer why would it not update? [19:57] why will what not update ? [19:58] ( that sounds weird ) [19:58] it broke during a nightly update. [19:58] Darkwing: so kde-workspace-bin is not installed? [19:59] Darkwing: which mirror are you using [19:59] lots of things were not installed. [19:59] *cringe* [20:02] it was a mix of both. [20:09] Darkwing: works? [20:38] hrm, in Calligra 2.5 I seem to be issing the blank doc template. anyone else seeing same thing? [22:00] jussi: in which app? [22:14] I think I did something very stupid [22:15] oh wait [22:15] no [22:15] It works [22:17] Quintasan: i always knew you were clever [22:21] \o/ [22:21] Riddell: I forgot how do we do this, if I have libmaliit-plugins0 the dev package should be libmaliit-plugins0-dev or the zero should go away? [22:21] Daskreech: sup [22:22] hi Quintasan [22:22] I"m mostly back [22:22] been out of it for a while [22:22] Quintasan: no zero indeed (unless you expect to have multiple versions of the same library that can be installed together which is rare) [22:23] Daskreech: welcome back, you've been sprinting hard like all the other Jamaicans? [22:23] Given the twisted ankle. No [22:24] !#$^%#@ [22:24] Though that hasn't stopped a lot of jumping up and down over the past few weeks [22:24] * Quintasan curses [22:24] Daskreech #$^%#@ Illegal channel name [22:24] V_V [22:28] * Quintasan prays it works [22:32] [trunk] Jonathan Thomas * echidnaman@kubuntu.org-20120813223209-zrqo1hj2fsu4ue55 * src/daemon/ (5 files in 2 dirs) Remove the DistUpgradeEvent, moved to Muon Notifier and unused here. [22:32] should keep people from wasting time patching it ;-) [22:38] JontheEchidna: has the stuff to replace jockey made it into muon 1.4? [22:39] oh it wasn't going to be a part of muon, just a separate project [22:39] ah hah [22:39] somebody said they'd look in to KCMs for python3 and they never got back to me [22:39] or something [22:39] so I've not done anything about that [22:40] right now there's not a pykde component for KConfig modules [22:40] ScottK: do you know if barry got anywhere with that? [22:40] ah, it was barry [22:40] I don't. [22:41] I'd give him a ping. [22:42] to be fair, I forgot about it too [22:43] Hi guys, do you think that posting http://pledgie.com/campaigns/18045 to the Kubuntu Google+ page is too off topic? [22:44] tsdgeos_: it's a question of finding out who can post to that page [22:45] which is somewhere in the irc logs [22:45] whoever created it? [22:46] a guy called fabidesu [22:46] who did make me an admin or something I think [22:47] Riddell: so https://plus.google.com/107577785796696065138/posts ? [22:47] do you have a "entry widget" there? [22:48] tsdgeos_: not an obvious one [22:48] maybe he didn't then [22:48] i see [22:48] eh [22:48] apachelogger_: do you? [22:48] I think you should have a link to get somewhere [22:48] i.e. managing urls are different [22:48] Riddell: I think [22:49] I do [22:50] Riddell: FWIW you should have an invite on riddell@gmail.com [22:52] this is too complex [22:52] all this new fangled stuff [22:52] lol [22:52] how do i see what groups I'm part of? [22:52] I am not sure we want drunkenlogger to post there though [22:52] how do I see what invites I have? [22:52] Riddell: in the top right corner [22:53] you should be able to switch into a special mode per "group" [22:53] no clue about the invites tho [22:53] thanks for working on this guys :-) [22:53] simply check the gmail archive? or I can reinvite I suppose [22:53] * tsdgeos_ goes to sleep [22:53] tsdgeos_: nite [22:53] too tired after the biking this afternoon [22:53] cheers! [22:53] * apachelogger_ actuall closed the rekonq already [22:53] or rekonq closed itself [22:53] Oo [22:56] oh the invite was in german, how confusing [22:56] ok I'm a manager now [23:22] Riddell: http://people.ubuntu.com/~quintasan/uploads/maliit-framework_0.90.0-0ubuntu1.dsc Care to take a look at it? I want to see if list-missing is insane just here or some files really don't get installed for some reason [23:31] claydoh: Nice bike you've got there. [23:32] Quintasan: lol [23:34] Don't you lol me :P [23:35] Quintasan: ok :) [23:35] claydoh: I didn't ride a bike for at least 6 years :O [23:35] bike was free, too [23:35] skateboarding all the time [23:35] tho I will insist he take some of my money [23:35] I rode a bike at about 4 [23:35] * Quintasan has to find a bike and try riding [23:36] I will probably bend the rims easily [23:36] very thin [23:36] I still can't get used to walking. [23:36] Quintasan: u stalks me on the googles, then? [23:36] claydoh: Don't you stalk me too? [23:36] claydoh: My default motion for movement is to hold right leg still and push using left leg [23:41] heh, I can't stalk you there, if you don't post - else I don't see you or *gasp* I don't have you in a circle [23:42] I think I just sent you a message [23:42] lol [23:45] claydoh: Hell, I should really go to bed [23:49] I never could skateboard well, even back in the early days - before the fancy skate parks stuff. [23:49] lol Quintasan I was wondering what that sound was, it was my google messenger on my g+ page [23:49] anyway, I am way off topic now [23:49] :D [23:52] I would think so too, Young Man :p