| AfC | Can someone suggest when cjwatson might be on? | 02:58 |
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| * TheMuso sighs. Distributed development will *NEVER* *EVER* work IMO unless we switch to it wholesale. | 05:15 | |
| micahg | TheMuso: what broke now? | 05:18 |
| micahg | TheMuso: well, people are supposed to check Vcs-* links before uploading | 05:19 |
| Tejas | tejas@tejas:~$ sudo su | 05:20 |
| Tejas | Cannot execute csh: No such file or directory | 05:20 |
| Tejas | need help!! | 05:20 |
| micahg | TheMuso: a gentle reminder is appropriate when someone forgets, if it becomes chronic, we should talk :) | 05:20 |
| micahg | Tejas: #ubuntu or #ubuntu+1 for support | 05:20 |
| Tejas | Thanks | 05:21 |
| TheMuso | micahg: The thing is, I have seen various reminders like that to the people in question on RIC before, and since it never seems to get through, I've given up. | 05:22 |
| didrocks | good morning | 05:49 |
| TheMuso | Hey didrocks. | 05:53 |
| didrocks | hey TheMuso | 05:54 |
| TheMuso | ~/c | 06:17 |
| === tjaalton_ is now known as tjaalton | ||
| Laney | morning | 08:00 |
| didrocks | hey Laney, how are you? | 08:01 |
| Laney | hey didrocks, I'm good thanks. What about you? | 08:04 |
| didrocks | Laney: I'm fine! Turned around the desk yesterday so that I can see the window. I'm under the impression to have a new office :) | 08:04 |
| didrocks | at least, a lot more light! | 08:04 |
| Laney | haha | 08:05 |
| Laney | I'll be moving home next week, so a whole new everything for me! | 08:06 |
| didrocks | waow! far from your present home? | 08:06 |
| Laney | no, just a couple of miles slightly closer to the city centre | 08:06 |
| didrocks | nice ;) | 08:07 |
| Laney | most importantly is that it's a place of my own - no more sharing :P | 08:07 |
| didrocks | heh, yeah, will be a big difference | 08:07 |
| chrisccoulson | good morning everyone | 08:24 |
| didrocks | hey chrisccoulson, good week-end? | 08:25 |
| chrisccoulson | didrocks, yeah, not too bad thanks. how about you? | 08:25 |
| didrocks | chrisccoulson: was good, thanks! | 08:25 |
| chrisccoulson | i had another barbeque at the weekend | 08:26 |
| chrisccoulson | but just for us this time, we didn't invite anybody around. which was quite nice :) | 08:26 |
| didrocks | heh, good that the weather is nice in the UK as well :) | 08:28 |
| mvo | chrisccoulson: hey, good morning, do you have any idea about https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/acroread/9.5.1-1precise1/+build/3404003 ? I ask because you touched it last ;) | 08:28 |
| didrocks | chrisccoulson: you should have run away when you still had time, I saw mvo preparing his machiavelic plan on #software-center :) | 08:30 |
| didrocks | hey mvo! | 08:30 |
| * didrocks hugs mvo | 08:30 | |
| chrisccoulson | mvo, it seems that ia32-libs is not installable. not sure about that though. i guess acroread should be multi-arch'd at some point. i just haven't had time to do it ;) | 08:31 |
| mvo | didrocks: ha! a spy ;) | 08:33 |
| didrocks | mvo: sneaky, isn't it? :p | 08:34 |
| mvo | ;) | 08:38 |
| chrisccoulson | hi seb128, i didn't notice you there! how are you? | 08:59 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, hey, I'm good thanks, how are you? | 09:00 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, woke up early, I had to go out for some errands but I'm back ;-) | 09:01 |
| chrisccoulson | heh | 09:01 |
| chrisccoulson | yeah, i'm not too bad thanks, other than https://bugs.launchpad.net/globalmenu-extension/+bug/1025011/comments/47 ;) | 09:01 |
| ubot2 | Ubuntu bug 1025011 in firefox "Firebug extension causes firefox to crash (can be triggered by opening HUD)" [Critical,Confirmed] | 09:01 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, is that still the same you were working on 10 days ago? | 09:02 |
| seb128 | or another hud like issue? | 09:02 |
| chrisccoulson | seb128, it's a second issue, triggered by firebug and made worse by the way the HUD works | 09:02 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, what made it start? you suggest in that comment it's an external factor? | 09:03 |
| chrisccoulson | seb128, yeah, it's a firebug change which exposed a couple of dormant bugs in our code | 09:04 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, the SRU process takes 1 week, it's not that slow, and you can use security to bypass the week if that's a regression for a security update (firefox go through security) | 09:04 |
| chrisccoulson | seb128, a week is a long time for people who wake up unable to start their browser any more ;) | 09:04 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, firefox doesn't suggest to disable addons when start is buggy? | 09:05 |
| chrisccoulson | seb128, no, it's a startup crash for most people. it doesn't even get that far | 09:05 |
| seb128 | we can probably fast-track a fix if it's obvious | 09:05 |
| chrisccoulson | well, it will get disabled if mozilla decide to blocklist it | 09:06 |
| seb128 | if it's non trivial though the SRU team will want the normal week testing | 09:06 |
| seb128 | what? appmenu? | 09:06 |
| chrisccoulson | seb128, yeah. they have a blocklisting mechanism for problematic addons ;) | 09:07 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, don't we ship appmenu in a deb and don't rely on the web? can they block that? | 09:07 |
| chrisccoulson | yeah, they can blocklist anything. firefox pings for a blocklist update every day | 09:07 |
| seb128 | you better make sure we don't end up on that list :p | 09:07 |
| chrisccoulson | yeah, that would be bad | 09:08 |
| seb128 | can you SRU that fix today and I will make the SRU team fast track it? | 09:08 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, if you upload today we might still get that in 12.04.1 | 09:08 |
| seb128 | would be better to have the .1 iso with that bug | 09:08 |
| chrisccoulson | yeah, i'll see what i can do | 09:08 |
| seb128 | to *not* have | 09:08 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, thanks | 09:09 |
| === __chip__ is now known as Chipaca | ||
| Chipaca | who do I have to pester to see movement on bug #1021661 ? | 09:51 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 1021661 in bamf "emacs window not picked up on startup" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1021661 | 09:51 |
| didrocks | Chipaca: see on the product strategy channels, like #ubuntu-unity | 09:57 |
| Chipaca | didrocks: thanks | 09:57 |
| === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch | ||
| arand | If a package is in the multiverse repo, does apturls work? Second, is there a canonical place to get the "available on the SOC" button image(s)? | 12:24 |
| arand | ->Do they suggest adding multiverse if it isn't? | 12:24 |
| didrocks | arand: hey, I think it does suggest adding it, but mvo can confirm ^ | 12:27 |
| arand | For using the image on a wiki, is there a place I can link it, or would I use a static image, e.g. http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~canonical-ca-hackers/ubuntu-webcatalog/trunk/view/head:/src/webcatalog/static/images/scbutton-non-free-200px.png? | 12:32 |
| arand | Reading http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~canonical-ca-hackers/ubuntu-webcatalog/trunk/view/head:/LICENSE It seems that I can't use the image though, since it's using the Ubuntu logo, and what I'm using it for would be documentation (of an official release)... | 12:34 |
| === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow | ||
| chrisccoulson | hmmm, my daughter has stuffed a pea up her nose | 12:47 |
| seiflotfy | alecu: can we agree on only logging non-local stuff (since local will be logged by zeitgeist anyhow :P) | 12:50 |
| === m_conley_away is now known as m_conley | ||
| chrisccoulson | how on earth does the fact that i have an application spewing lots of debug info to a console running tmux slow compiz down to an unusable crawl? :/ | 13:50 |
| === ralsina_ is now known as ralsina | ||
| kenvandine | jdstrand, did you get a chance to look at bug 1029549 | 14:16 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 1029549 in libsignon-glib "[MIR] online-accounts and friends" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1029549 | 14:16 |
| jdstrand | kenvandine: not yet, very high on my todo list | 14:29 |
| kenvandine | cool | 14:29 |
| kenvandine | it's blocking me getting some patches merged into other apps from main | 14:29 |
| kenvandine | jdstrand, thanks! | 14:29 |
| ayan | all: we're seeing a bug in one of the OEM teams where upon resume from S3, you're left with a black screen and a mouse pointer only. has anyone else seen this kind of bug? | 14:42 |
| Laney | dput ubuntu ... is bad muscle memory when uploading dubious stuff to a crack PPA :P | 15:18 |
| * Laney caught it in time | 15:18 | |
| didrocks | Laney: I had some dummy wrapper at some point doing that :) | 15:19 |
| didrocks | another dput in path, asking "ehhhhh, are you sure?" | 15:19 |
| Laney | hah | 15:19 |
| Laney | I think I'd just get too used to confirming everything | 15:19 |
| Laney | need a captcha or something | 15:19 |
| Laney | or something that punches me in the face | 15:20 |
| didrocks | tssss :) not! | 15:20 |
| didrocks | the confirm was only on a heuristic that I didn't want to push this package to ubuntu | 15:20 |
| didrocks | otherwise, no confirm :) | 15:20 |
| seb128 | you need a smart wrapper at least | 15:20 |
| seb128 | like if the version has ~ default to a ppa | 15:20 |
| Laney | worth an upload, worth the pain of being punched :P | 15:20 |
| seb128 | like ~ppa or | 15:20 |
| didrocks | that and package name :) | 15:20 |
| Laney | that would be good | 15:20 |
| didrocks | when unity was not ready to be pushed to the distro but only in the ppa, it was scanning that :) | 15:21 |
| didrocks | (for the whole stack) | 15:21 |
| Laney | need some way of testing this fontconfig stuff | 15:24 |
| * didrocks grrr about no-typeahead | 16:21 | |
| === skaet_ is now known as skaet | ||
| * didrocks waves good evening | 17:23 | |
| dobey | kenvandine, mterry: are you guys super busy? or might you have a few minutes to review a new package for universe in quantal? | 18:02 |
| mterry | dobey, I'm about to eat a late lunch. But after, I can | 18:03 |
| dobey | mterry: great. ping me when you get back. and enjoy lunch :) | 18:03 |
| mterry | dobey, so what sort of review do you need? | 19:08 |
| dobey | mterry: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1035392 | 19:10 |
| ubot2 | Ubuntu bug 1035392 in ubuntu "[needs-packaging] u1db" [Wishlist,In progress] | 19:10 |
| mterry | dobey, so you don't need this in main or anything, just a sanity check and upload to quantal? | 19:11 |
| dobey | mterry: yeah, just needs to be in universe for quantal; we'll probably try to MIR it next release though | 19:12 |
| mterry | dobey, sure thing | 19:12 |
| dobey | mterry: and once it's in ubuntu, would like to have it added to the ubuntuone package set as well of course :) | 19:13 |
| dobey | don't remember who i'm supposed to bug about that though | 19:13 |
| mterry | dobey, I think an archive admin | 19:14 |
| micahg | dobey: the DMB can do that, you just need to mail devel-permissions asking for it | 19:34 |
| dobey | ah, that's the list, right. thanks micahg | 19:34 |
| micahg | mterry: new sources need 2 MOTU/core-dev signoffs before upload, dobey is seeking those reviews :) | 19:34 |
| micahg | well, technically before archive entrance, not upload, but it's usually not nice to force the AA reviewing to be the second | 19:35 |
| dobey | micahg: care to review it? | 19:36 |
| dobey | :) | 19:36 |
| micahg | dobey: I don't think you want to wait until I have time for it :), although I might be able to work it into my piloting... | 19:36 |
| mterry | dobey, u1db looks fine to me. I'd run update-maintainer on it, but that's it. | 19:38 |
| dobey | micahg: should be quick for you to do, if you can find a couple minutes to do it. i tried to take proper care of everything when setting up the nightlies builds of u1db a couple months ago :) | 19:38 |
| micahg | dobey: ok, will try to take a look when I pilot then | 19:39 |
| micahg | mterry: can you comment in the bug to that regard? | 19:39 |
| dobey | mterry: ah, right. good catch. i'll fix that now, thanks :) | 19:39 |
| mterry | micahg, sure | 19:40 |
| micahg | thanks | 19:40 |
| dobey | mterry, micahg: just re-attached the files after rebuilding after update-maintainer | 19:45 |
| seb128 | micahg, since when are double ack needed for NEW packages? | 21:15 |
| micahg | seb128: umm, as far back as I know (uploader can count as one), dobey isn't MOTU/core-dev so he needs 2 | 21:17 |
| seb128 | ok, weird rule, we never applied it around | 21:17 |
| micahg | seb128: basically 2 eyes on each package | 21:17 |
| micahg | *sets of eye | 21:17 |
| seb128 | that's always the case, sponsors and archive admin reviewers are not the same person | 21:18 |
| micahg | seb128: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/NewPackages#Going_through_MOTU | 21:18 |
| micahg | fourth bullet in the second section | 21:19 |
| seb128 | is motu still a thing? | 21:19 |
| micahg | yes | 21:19 |
| micahg | but core devs count as MOTU | 21:19 |
| seb128 | that document doesn't say that ;-) | 21:19 |
| micahg | this does: https://launchpad.net/~motu :) | 21:20 |
| micahg | well, this one: https://launchpad.net/~motu/+members#active | 21:20 |
| seb128 | well, anyway usually one sponsor is enough for most thing, motu might have their rules but I don't think they make sense | 21:20 |
| seb128 | we strungle enough on reviewers and sponsors | 21:20 |
| micahg | seb128: this is for a new source | 21:20 |
| seb128 | right | 21:20 |
| seb128 | well, we do without that for most desktop packages and nobody told us off for it | 21:21 |
| seb128 | so I guess it's a motu specific stuff, I will not comment on what they do | 21:21 |
| seb128 | but there is no reason to apply that to e.g dobey's upload | 21:21 |
| micahg | well, the idea is to prevent bad stuff from hitting the archive | 21:21 |
| micahg | so, the double check is to make sure that nothing's been missed | 21:21 |
| seb128 | well, if a coredev and an archive admin don't prevent that you have another issue | 21:21 |
| seb128 | we double check | 21:22 |
| seb128 | it requires an uploader and an archive admin to get to universe | 21:22 |
| stgraber | well, whoever-uploads + reviewing-AA == 2 so it's technically always true, unless you get a sponsor who doesn't review the upload, but then that sponsor really should stop sponsoring stuff | 21:22 |
| micahg | well, that's 2, but the AAs are usually super busy, so that's why they're not inherently counted there | 21:22 |
| seb128 | then you add a mir reviewer for main | 21:22 |
| seb128 | well, aa are needed to get to the archie | 21:22 |
| seb128 | so they are always counted | 21:22 |
| seb128 | you can't get out of the NEW queue without an archive admin review | 21:23 |
| stgraber | I'd be quite scared if an AA wasn't doing a full package review, that's after all what they're supposed to do isn't it? :) | 21:23 |
| stgraber | not saying they're not busy, they certainly are, but if they do a review I'd expect them to do it completely | 21:23 |
| micahg | they count, but the idea is to prevent a lot of back and forth on the archive admin's part as they have plenty of other stuff to do | 21:23 |
| seb128 | well, if anyone has upload right they should know better than throwing back and forth unready stuff | 21:23 |
| micahg | seb128: well, we're human, we all make mistakes, it's especially hard when one is engrossed in something to always see the flaws hence the outside review | 21:24 |
| micahg | seb128: anyways, I offered to review/upload dobey's package already, so it's not an issue in this case | 21:24 |
| seb128 | well, as said we have 2 people there, the uploader and the archive admin reviewer | 21:25 |
| seb128 | but the "you need 2 ack before upload" doesn't make sense, we have enough slowness and blockers in our processes without adding extra ones | 21:25 |
| seb128 | speaking as an archive admin I'm happy to review anything that got uploaded, usually people who are granted upload rights know enough to not make us waste much time | 21:26 |
| micahg | seb128: we have a limited number of archive admins and more uploaders, it would seem to make sense to not block on the AA having to review/write up lots of package rejection mails (and we do get plenty still from what I've seen) | 21:26 |
| micahg | anyways, there shouldn't be new sources all that often that it would actually slow anything down | 21:27 |
| seb128 | right, let's apply best judgement there, I do trust most of the people on that channel to not do stupid things with their uploads and when they do it's usually trivial to fix and a short rountrip | 21:28 |
| seb128 | but I will refrain to comment on whether that's true or not for other groups ;-) | 21:28 |
| dobey | heh | 21:30 |
| === m_conley is now known as m_conley_away | ||
| dobey | i'm just trying to follow the documented process on the wiki :) | 21:31 |
| micahg | dobey: I applaud you're choice here, which is one of the reasons I agreed to do the review | 21:32 |
| micahg | s/you're/your/ | 21:32 |
| micahg | seb128: oh, it actually does say coredevs are included, 1st bullet point, first section | 21:37 |
| seb128 | well, that rules might make sense for new comers | 21:38 |
| seb128 | it should probably be updated to consider ppu uploaders at the same level that motus | 21:39 |
| seb128 | than | 21:39 |
| seb128 | it likely didn't get revisited since we have ppu and upload sets | 21:39 |
| micahg | no, we specifically relate it to people with component level access, the idea is a broad base of knowledge to be able to catch most issues, PPU are very limited in scope | 21:41 |
| micahg | akin to DMs who can't upload new packages initially | 21:42 |
| micahg | s/relate/limit/ | 21:43 |
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| === mbiebl_ is now known as mbiebl | ||
| === zyga is now known as zyga-afk | ||
| jasoncwarner_ | morning everyone | 22:43 |
| Laney | I don't think the archive admin's review is the same as a sponsor's one. | 22:46 |
| Laney | but also that is indeed a MOTU process, not something for the whole archive | 22:46 |
| Laney | and it can only ever be advisory | 22:47 |
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