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smartboyhwUbuntu Studio Contributors Meeting starting in 5 minutes.13:56
smartboyhwPlease o/ if you are here13:56
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stochastichi13:59
smartboyhwHello.13:59
smartboyhwThe problem is no one13:59
smartboyhwis here13:59
smartboyhwI will wait for 5 - 10 minutes14:00
stochasticokay14:00
smartboyhwPlease o/ if you are joining the Ubuntu studio meeting14:01
stochasticsmartboyhw, did the meeting time get agreed upon by a group of people at any point?14:01
smartboyhwYep, on Thursday14:01
stochasticwho all said they could come?14:02
smartboyhwGod, the problem is NO ONE"S HERE14:02
rajuhmm14:02
smartboyhwOh hi raju14:02
rajusmartboyhw,  waiting for someone14:03
smartboyhwastraljava14:03
smartboyhwscott-work14:03
smartboyhwholstein14:03
smartboyhwailo14:03
stochasticsmartboyhw, are you chair of the meeting?14:06
smartboyhwYep14:06
smartboyhwI called the meeting14:06
smartboyhwThey agreed14:06
smartboyhwI added it to the calendar14:06
stochasticis this the agenda we're following: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Meetings/2012August1314:06
smartboyhwYEP!14:07
smartboyhwastraljava said he'd come14:07
stochasticsometimes people sleep in/get busy/forget/etc...  things happen14:08
stochasticI don't see much in the agenda for topics14:08
smartboyhwI will issue a very angry letter to the dev mailing list about it14:08
stochasticwhy so much anger smartboyhw14:09
smartboyhwstochastic: What do you think?14:10
Len-nbThat is a good question14:10
smartboyhwOh hi Len-nb14:10
smartboyhwLen-nb: Are you Len-dt?14:10
stochasticSo I see that we're about to hit feature freeze on quantal14:10
Len-nbon a different machine yes14:10
Len-nbIt would be nice if we could actually get the changes we have madereleased.14:11
smartboyhwGood14:11
smartboyhwShould we start the meeting14:11
smartboyhw?14:11
stochasticLen-nb, is there a list of changes that need to get pushed or addressed?14:11
stochasticsmartboyhw, yes please14:12
Len-nbthere are 4 or 5 packages that have commits that need releasing.14:12
smartboyhw#startmeeting14:13
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smartboyhwOkay, hi14:13
stochastichi14:13
smartboyhw#topic Report on Ubuntu Studio14:14
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stochastichi holstein14:14
smartboyhwIf anyone had anything to say about Ubuntu Studio development or progress, please o/14:14
holsteinstochastic: \o/14:14
holsteino/14:14
smartboyhwholstein: PLease14:15
smartboyhwholstein: Go ahead14:15
holsteini was just saying im present... if Len-nb has something, that would be relavant14:16
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stochasticLen-nb, you were saying about the commits that need pushing?14:17
stochasticbefore FF hits14:17
smartboyhwlen-nb: Are you here?14:18
Len-nb-look -settings and the seeds/metas need to get done too.14:18
Len-nbtakes time to type smartboyhw14:18
smartboyhwSorry14:18
smartboyhwYou haven't o/ed14:18
stochastico/14:18
smartboyhwPlease, stochastic14:19
Len-nbI had thought there was another but it is for 12.04.1 and it looks it won't get used.14:19
* stochastic doesn't understand the o/ system14:19
* Len-nb too14:19
smartboyhwo/ in first sight means that you are present14:20
smartboyhwo/ now means you want to bring up a topic14:20
smartboyhw..14:20
holsteinsmartboyhw: re-link the meeting agenda, and lets go from there14:21
Len-nbstochastic, the seeds to meta stuff seems to not work acourding to micahg. He will work on it when time permits14:21
holsteinwe can see if Len-nb has time to report on progress today, and try and give ScottL time to show14:22
stochasticmichag only has 10 days before FF14:22
holsteinLen-nb: is that in 12.10?.. how about 12.04.1 or whatever... is that all good?14:22
smartboyhwSo guys, do you think we can meet the 23/8 schedule of releasing Ubuntu Studio 12.04.1?14:22
Len-nbholstein, as far as I know we are not really doing anything for 04.114:23
holsteinLen-nb: hopefully, its just a matter of testing... and i think some folks were testing for US14:23
holsteini know the xubuntu team always helps US out14:24
smartboyhwYep, just finished testing 12.04.1 image for 64-bit14:24
smartboyhwReported on ISO QA Tracker14:24
holsteinsmartboyhw: cool.. thanks... i think thats all we'll have to do for 12.0414:24
Len-nbThere is a -settings commited that could be used tha fixes minor menu details, but Scott doesn't seem enthused14:24
Len-nbI have done a few 12.04.1 i386 tests too14:25
smartboyhwLen-nb does 32-bit, me does 64-bit14:25
stochasticexcellent, so I think we should make a motion to push for image testers for 12.04.1 just to make sure everything is all good.  A call on the mailing list or something similar14:25
Len-nbsecond14:25
smartboyhwLen-nb: You know astraljava took over coordination of testing?14:25
holsteini have done some unofficial FW tests with ailo14:25
smartboyhw#action Len-nb and smartboyhw to find more people to test 12.04.1 daily images14:26
meetingologyACTION: Len-nb and smartboyhw to find more people to test 12.04.1 daily images14:26
Len-nbFW = ?14:26
holsteinyeah... just an email letting everyone know testing is needed...14:26
holsteinLen-nb: firewire14:26
Len-nbAh! right14:26
stochasticholstein, how'd they turn out?14:26
holsteinstochastic: so far so good... im actually still personally running 10.04 on my production machine, but i will upgrade to 12.04 when i have time14:27
Len-nbI still miss gcdmaster14:27
stochasticOk, I think busniess for 12.04.1 is sorted as much as we can for now14:27
holsteinstochastic: seems better all the time actually.. especially without the *-realtime kernel.. i find that less and less manditory14:27
holsteinLen-nb: me too :/14:28
stochasticor should we discuss release announcement for 12.04.1?  Is one needed?14:28
Len-nbstochastic, on the website when released14:28
holsteinstochastic: i think someone should mention it to scottL, and one of us can offer to help make on if needed14:28
smartboyhwstochastic: Let us write an email to users list14:28
Len-nbThe main thing with 12.04.1 is it save upgrading about 200 packages at install for late adopters14:29
stochasticsomeone with knowledge of the changes between 12.04 and 12.04.1 needs to draft a couple explanation notes14:29
holsteinstochastic: maybe we could just look at the main ubuntu ones and copy/edit a bit14:30
smartboyhwQuestion: Who has that knowledge?14:30
holsteinor xubuntu...14:30
stochasticok14:30
Len-nbholstein, you have it right14:30
holsteini bet the xubuntu ones are pretty much exactly ours... since we didnt change any studio specific stuff14:31
smartboyhwSo we can transfer Xubuntu to Ubuntu Studio!14:31
Len-nbI am not if they made changes either, vanilla may cover it.14:31
stochasticI'll volunteer to draft one up for us and post it.14:32
smartboyhwstochastic: I agree14:32
Len-nbthe big thing is xfce4.10 which 12.1014:32
smartboyhw#action: stochastic to write a draft for changes between 12.04 and 12.04.114:33
meetingologyACTION: : stochastic to write a draft for changes between 12.04 and 12.04.114:33
stochasticso on to 12.10 chat, any big things need squishing before FF?  let's get at least one action item hammered out for 12.1014:34
Len-nbfirefox branding, publishing meta14:34
Len-nbHmm, the people I need to ask are not here14:35
stochasticholstein, do you have upload privileges?14:35
holsteinstochastic: to the site? i dont think so... but ScottL does ...i havnet checked to see if my old creds work on the official site14:36
holsteinstochastic: i'll help sort that out though...14:36
smartboyhwholstein: Thanks14:36
stochasticholstein, not to the site, I have those, I mean to the repos?14:36
stochasticto help push commits through14:37
holsteinstochastic: nah... that would be scott or one of the motu's... i think we can just ask someone for help14:37
stochasticpersia is usually pretty good at helping out, also TheMuso14:37
smartboyhwWho should we select?14:38
stochasticLen-nb, can you talk to those gents to see if you can get the commits published?14:38
holsteinyup... if we put the word out, i think we can get a hand.. let me know if you need help tracking someone down stochastic14:38
Len-nbI will try that14:38
stochasticexcellent, sounds like an action item14:38
smartboyhwSo what should we write for action?14:38
smartboyhw#action holstein and Len-nb to find someone to publishing committs14:39
meetingologyACTION: holstein and Len-nb to find someone to publishing committs14:39
smartboyhwAnyone saw the action item? So many people quit14:39
holsteinsmartboyhw: netsplit14:39
stochasticplease post the action item again14:40
smartboyhw#action holstein and Len-dt to find someone for pushing commits14:40
meetingologyACTION: holstein and Len-dt to find someone for pushing commits14:40
smartboyhwIs this one OK?14:40
stochasticThe firefox branding, where are we on that, is a fix committed?14:40
stochasticsmartboyhw, looks great14:41
smartboyhwThanks, stochastic14:41
Len-nbI need to find out if I should do more or less.14:41
Len-nbso far I have home page. but that will have to come off.14:41
Len-nbI have bookmarked our site14:42
smartboyhwLen-nb: Nice job!14:42
Len-nbbut the blueprints seem to suggest more bookmarks14:42
stochasticbaby steps are still good steps :)14:42
smartboyhwMaybe we can bookmark Wiki pages and how to contribute?14:43
stochasticI'd be happy to chat after the meeting with you Len about the intricacies of the branding?14:43
Len-nbI can commit what I have or add more. xchat is stuck right now14:43
smartboyhwUh oh, Len-nb.14:43
Len-nbI may just add a menu item that starts xchat on #ubuntustudio14:44
smartboyhw#ubuntustudio-devel also14:44
Len-nbNo14:44
smartboyhwOK14:44
stochasticdev is for active volunteers14:45
smartboyhwOk, so only #ubuntustudio14:45
Len-nbThis would be right below the help item14:45
smartboyhw#action: Len-nb to add menu item on xchat that starts #ubuntustudio14:45
meetingologyACTION: : Len-nb to add menu item on xchat that starts #ubuntustudio14:45
stochasticcool14:45
Len-nbI think it will use the studio logo14:45
smartboyhwIt should14:46
stochasticok14:47
stochasticwhat other major projects are we looking at in the next 10 days?14:47
smartboyhwMajor...Hmm...14:47
Len-nbThere is a new publishing meta.14:47
stochasticor minor14:47
stochastichave all the packages been screened/approved or is it just a rough draft still?14:48
Len-nbI was just looking at our web page and it suggests we are shipping libreoffice14:48
smartboyhwLen-nb: I agree we should ship it.14:48
Len-nbI have not added office to the meta14:48
smartboyhwSo... ?14:48
Len-nbIt is quite large14:48
holsteini could argue we shouldnt, but im with you guys14:48
holsteinits a full featured suite of tools that does not directly address anything ubuntustudio is about14:49
smartboyhwSo, action item on adding LibreOffice to Ubuutu Studio?14:49
Len-nbThe is an icon for extra software that maks it easy to load14:49
Len-nbno ... or not yet14:49
smartboyhwOK, so maybe we can ship it in future 12.10 releases...14:50
stochasticLen-nb is there a package list I can take a look at?14:50
Len-nbI am thinking maybe the website should be changed14:50
stochasticwhich website page?14:50
smartboyhwubuntustudio.org?14:50
Len-nbfeature tour14:50
Len-nbpublishing14:50
smartboyhwOK14:50
holsteini remember arguing about libreoffice though...14:50
smartboyhwSo no LibreOffice or so?14:51
holsteinseems like it might be that it is supposed to be there14:51
Len-nbI'll ask scott14:51
holsteini would run it by ScottL first...14:51
smartboyhwOk14:51
holsteini will go with whatever you guys go with...14:51
smartboyhwSo what's the action item for this?14:51
stochasticLen-nb, right at the top of the feature tour page it reads "Allthough not everything is preinstalled, powerful tools for book publishing are at your fingertips, installable from the repo using Software Center."14:51
Len-nbThe other app mentioned is calibre14:51
smartboyhwOK14:52
Len-nbOk, I will not worry about office then14:52
stochasticI don't think Calibre or LibreOffice should be shipped14:52
smartboyhwSo, ignore LibreOffice?14:52
stochasticpersonally14:52
smartboyhwAction Item: Ignore office software?14:52
stochasticis there a publishing meta that is being created for this release?14:53
Len-nbRight. Ok, I think we worked out the workflow pretty good on the list14:53
Len-nbIt is commited14:53
Len-nbPhotography has been split and commited14:53
stochasticok14:53
Len-nbso two new metas14:53
smartboyhwGREAT!14:54
stochasticso this falls under the pushing commits through subject that we already covered with the action item14:54
stochastic:)14:54
smartboyhwAction Item?14:54
Len-nbYup.14:54
smartboyhwWhat should we write?14:54
holsteinasking scottL about libreoffice14:54
stochasticsmartboyhw, we already covered this meetingology> ACTION: holstein and Len-nb to find someone to publishing committs14:55
Len-nbscott and ailo also have some workflow stuff they are working on for the bottom panel14:55
holsteinstochastic: i could go there too.. i think they dont fit in.. but i remember someone convincing me on the issue of publishing14:55
smartboyhwOh, that one14:55
smartboyhwAnything more to say apart from this?14:56
smartboyhwAnyone have more to say?14:57
stochasticI'd like to say that I think the overall direction of graphics and publishing should be given someone to take the reigns.  Maybe not now.14:57
stochasticmaybe there already is14:58
holsteinstochastic: you mean, a team member who is into grahpis?14:58
holsteingraphics*14:58
smartboyhwOn stochastic's question, any volunteers?14:58
stochasticor has a solid concept of where US should help publishers and graphic artists14:58
holsteini think we have a lot of audio folks, and thats great, but it would be nice to cultivate a person or 2 for graphics and/or video14:58
stochasticis troy_s ever around anymore?14:59
holsteinsomeone to come here like we are and say what works and what doesnt and why14:59
smartboyhwWho will do graphics and video publishing?14:59
holsteinstochastic: havent seen him in a while14:59
stochasticor Corey?14:59
Len-nbHaving the apps to make US interesting to these people may come first14:59
smartboyhwLen-nb: I agree14:59
stochasticagreed14:59
holsteini think someone will materialize... ScottL does a lot of video actually14:59
stochasticI can help slightly in the future with this planning15:00
stochasticmaybe not in the next 10 days15:00
smartboyhwMaybe we should send a request along teh dev mail list for volunteers of helping graphics and video15:00
holsteinstochastic: i think that email needs to be well thought out15:00
Len-nbBeen done... in various ways15:00
holsteinsome folks dont come to the IRC...15:00
holsteinstochastic: that was for smartboyhw ^^15:00
smartboyhwThat e-mail will be a job advertisement:)15:01
holsteinjust be careful how you "ask" for help... we dont need more differing opinions, and folks doing work that we cant include.. we really need one person to "take the reigns" as stochastic suggested15:01
Len-nbPart of the reason I am hesitant to add much more SW right now, is that I would like to see how big The ISO15:01
smartboyhwOK15:02
smartboyhwLen-nb: Make it under 2GB15:02
Len-nbToo late already15:02
holsteinits over 2 now... and we have lots of "why dont we have this" emails on the list15:02
stochasticLen-nb let's not add too much on this release, just get the ball moving15:02
smartboyhwMake it under 4.7GiB (DVD capacity)15:02
smartboyhwstochastic: +115:02
holsteinswsure, but folks with limited bandwidth complain15:03
holsteinsmartboyhw: ^15:03
holsteinyou literally cant please everyone15:03
Len-nbI am thinking If the seeds/metas get updated I will be able to see where we are15:03
holsteini like the workflows idea.. a nice comfortable default, and you can click on "publishing" and install whatever is designated automagically15:04
Len-nbscott was talking about adding kdenlive... but I am not sure... and knowing how big we are now would help15:04
smartboyhwyeah, we are a small team15:04
Len-nbholstein, that needs a ubiquity plugin15:05
stochasticokay, for an action item, how about a graphics/publishing sub-committee is formed to polish the current release and shape the 13.04 release plan for these metas15:05
holsteinLen-nb: could be after the install, for all i care15:05
smartboyhwstochastic: I agree. Everyone: Agree?15:05
smartboyhwwho will be in that sub-commitee?15:05
holsteinyeah.. i think thats a great goal15:06
stochasticI'll join15:06
Len-nbThere is the live experience to look at15:06
holsteingives some time for someone to step up15:06
smartboyhwI'll join too15:06
Len-nbI would use the list to set it up15:06
smartboyhwWho's the chair of the sub-committee for now?15:06
stochasticwe'll sort out the members later, including the chair, we just need to have someone willing to organize the people interested15:07
smartboyhwOK, so action item:15:07
smartboyhw#action : stochastic and Len-nb and holstein and smartboyhw to set up a graphics and publishing sub-committee for teh abovementioned metas15:07
meetingologyACTION: : stochastic and Len-nb and holstein and smartboyhw to set up a graphics and publishing sub-committee for teh abovementioned metas15:07
holsteini think any of us can help shape that15:07
smartboyhwYep15:08
smartboyhwSo, anymore to say, guys?15:08
stochasticI think we covered most things that need attention over the near future15:09
stochasticand the meeting is starting to hit the 60min mark15:09
Len-nbdone15:09
smartboyhwGood, so end meeting, everyone? o/ to agree15:10
stochastico?15:10
stochastico/15:10
Len-nbo/15:10
smartboyhw#endmeeting15:10
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smartboyhwThanks everybody!15:10
stochasticthanks smartboyhw for organizing this15:11
smartboyhwThansk stochastic, Len-nb, holstein15:12
holsteinthanks all!15:12
smartboyhwThanks!15:12
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jjohansen\o18:02
jdstrandhi!18:02
tyhicks`hello18:02
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mdeslaur\o18:02
jdstrand#startmeeting18:02
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jdstrandThe meeting agenda can be found at:18:02
jdstrand[LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/Meeting18:02
jdstrandThanks to the following individuals:18:03
jdstrandScott Kitterman (ScottK) provided a debdiff for precise for Calligra (LP: #1032934)18:03
jdstrandYour work is very much appreciated and will keep Ubuntu users secure. Great job! :)18:03
jdstrand[TOPIC] Weekly stand-up report18:03
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jdstrandI'll go first18:03
jdstrandI'm doing triage this week18:04
jdstrandI'm working on an embargoed issue18:04
jdstrandI'd like to finish the ever exanding list of MIR audits18:04
jdstrandI'd like to say I am hopeful, but quite a few got piled on last week18:05
jdstrandrecruiting continues18:05
jdstrandand hopefully I'll get back to updates18:06
jdstrandmdeslaur: you're up18:06
mdeslaurI'm in the happy place this week18:06
mdeslaurI'm about to publish libreoffice/openoffice updates18:06
mdeslaurand since feature freeze is in a week and a half, I want to continue working on my apport apparmor work items18:07
mdeslaurto try and get that in before then18:07
mdeslaurif I have time, I'll pick something else off the list18:07
mdeslaurthat's it for me18:07
mdeslaursbeattie: you're up18:07
sbeattieI'm on community this week18:07
sbeattie(It'll be a bit of a short week as I'm off Friday)18:08
mdeslauroh, I'm off friday too18:08
sbeattieI'm trying to get out from under my email backlog after being gone last week18:08
sbeattieI need to get on top of my apparmor work items and resurrect the updates I was working on before my holiday (libgc, openstack)18:09
sbeattieI think that's it for me.18:09
sbeattiemicahg: you're up18:09
micahgstill working on webkit, and piloting today18:10
micahgran into a few bumps with various things that I might try to debug (not strictly security related)18:10
micahgand more mozilla pre-testing18:10
micahgthat's it18:11
micahgtyhicks: you're up18:11
tyhicksI'm in the happy place and have a short week this week (only working today and tomorrow)18:11
tyhicksI'm working on the xmlrpc-c update, but I doubt it will go out this week18:11
tyhicksI also have a few loose ends to tie up (triage of a new bug report and a patch that I need to merge) on the eCryptfs mailing list before Wednesday18:12
tyhicksthat's it for me18:12
tyhicksjjohansen: you're up18:12
jjohansenwell I will be coordinating with sbeattie on some of his apparmor WIs. I have several bugs to track down and fix so I can actually push out the latest queue of patches with the locking rework, and I hope to pick off some of the smaller, WIs this week like enabling basic netlink socket mediation18:13
jjohansenjdstrand: back to you18:14
jdstrandThe Ubuntu Security team will highlight some community-supported packages that might be good candidates for updating and or triaging. If you would like to help Ubuntu and not sure where to start, this is a great way to do so. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/UpdateProcedures for details and if you have any questions, feel free to ask in #ubuntu-security. To find out other ways of helping out, please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Securi18:15
jdstrandhttp://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/libspring-java.html18:15
jdstrandhttp://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/mpop.html18:15
jdstrandhttp://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/libfcgi-perl.html18:15
jdstrandhttp://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/xpdf.html18:15
jdstrandhttp://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/snort.html18:15
jdstrand[TOPIC] Miscellaneous and Questions18:15
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jdstrandThere are a lot of merge opportunities for packages listed in http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/d2u/. Performing these updates is a great way to help Ubuntu and bolster your developer application.18:16
jdstrandDoes anyone have any other questions or items to discuss?18:16
mdeslaurI do18:16
mdeslaursbeattie, jdstrand, tyhicks, jjohansen: since it's feature freeze next week, please prioritize work items that can actually be done this week18:16
mdeslaurI mean, that need to go in before feature freeze18:17
mdeslaurif there's anything that you can't do this week that needs to go in before feature freeze, please let me know18:17
mdeslaurso we can either postpone, or start thinking about a FFe18:17
mdeslaurwhoops, micahg too ^18:17
jdstrandack18:18
micahgmdeslaur: I don't think I have an WI tied to the release that involve features18:18
mdeslaurcool.18:18
mdeslaurand now, back to Jamie:18:18
jdstrandanything else people would like to discuss?18:19
jdstrandmdeslaur, sbeattie, micahg, tyhicks, jjohansen: thanks!18:21
jdstrand#endmeeting18:21
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mdeslaurthanks jdstrand18:21
tyhicksthanks18:21
jjohansenthanks jdstrand18:21
sbeattiejdstrand: thanks!18:21
micahgthanks jdstrand18:21
bdrung!dmb-ping18:59
ubottubdrung, cody-somerville, Laney, micahg, barry, tumbleweed, stgraber: DMB ping18:59
bdrungmeeting in one minute!18:59
* stgraber waves18:59
dupondjeEvening!19:00
tumbleweedhi19:02
* barry waves19:02
* micahg is here19:05
* dupondje to19:05
bdrungwhere is our chair cody-somerville?19:06
micahg#startmeeting19:09
meetingologyMeeting started Mon Aug 13 19:09:33 2012 UTC.  The chair is micahg. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.19:09
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micahg#topic Review of previous action items19:10
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micahg#subtopic micahg to document the zentyal packageset19:10
micahgcarried19:10
micahg#subtopic micahg to ping beuno regarding CC discussion on whether upload rights should confer membership19:10
micahgthis is now yokozar who agreed to start the discussion, so done19:10
micahg#subtopic tumbleweed to contact ubuntu developers who haven't signed the CoC19:10
tumbleweedcontacted19:10
tumbleweedno reply from scott19:11
micahgright, so should we discuss at the end what to do about this?19:11
tumbleweedsounds good19:11
micahgmoving on19:12
stgrabersure, though I can only thing of one thing we can do...19:12
stgraber*think19:12
micahg#topic MOTU application for Jean-Louis Dupond19:14
=== meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: MOTU application for Jean-Louis Dupond
dupondjeApproved ;)19:14
dupondjeYou can view my application on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JeanLouisDupond/MOTUApplication19:16
dupondjeBeen active quite some time for Ubuntu, and a daily user.19:16
dupondjeDoing merges/syncs mostly, and also cryptsetup/remmina maintainer upstream (debian)19:17
micahg#link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JeanLouisDupond/MOTUApplication19:17
dupondjeAnd i'm working on Ubuntu when I have some spare time, so sometimes alot, sometimes a bit less :'(19:18
* xnox lurks in due to highlight on cryptsetup19:18
dupondjehello xnox  :)19:19
stgraberdupondje: are you subscribed to ubuntu-devel-announce?19:20
* xnox has a question for the candidate. 0/19:21
dupondjeAnd there is still much work todo on MOTU (https://merges.ubuntu.com/universe.html)19:21
dupondjestgraber: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/devel-permissions/2012-August/000381.html19:21
dupondjebut not subscribed indeed19:21
stgraberdupondje: I said ubuntu-devel-announce, not devel-permissions :)19:22
dupondjei'm not no19:23
stgraberok, please make sure you're subscribed to it and read it daily19:23
stgraberthat's where the freeze announcements are announced, anyone who intends to upload to the archive should be reading it19:23
dupondjeNot much traffic on it it seems :)19:23
stgraberindeed, it's low but very important traffic19:24
dupondjeYour subscription request has been received, done!19:24
stgrabergood19:24
stgrabernow, an hopefully quick other question19:25
dupondjei'm open for it :)19:25
stgraberlet's say you're for some reason working on python-gevent19:25
stgraberit's on the 4th of september19:25
stgraberand your upload is a non critical bugfix19:25
bdrungdupondje: image you want to upload vlc on September, 1st. are you allowed to do that?19:26
stgraberassuming, you're a MOTU by then, will you be able to upload it?19:26
stgraberbdrung: I see some overlap between our questions ;)19:26
* bdrung nods.19:26
dupondjebdrung: no, gotto ask permission first (and only bugfix releases (normally))19:28
bdrungdupondje: assume that it's just a bug fix. permission for what?19:28
dupondjestgraber: think a non-critical is not wanted, if its critical, I could consider asking the release team19:28
stgraberdupondje: ok, why?19:29
dupondjeIf the patch is small (and doesn't change any functionallity/api or break other things) its fine19:30
stgraberactually, it's not, now guess why :)19:31
dupondjestgraber: in general or for the python-gevent?19:32
dupondje:)19:32
stgraberin this case, python-gevent :)19:32
stgraberthough the same applies to vlc, as bdrung's question touches the same problematic19:33
* stgraber shuts up now, that's way enough hints ;)19:33
stgraberright, so we need to move on with the questions.19:36
stgraberthe answer to both bdrung and my questions is that we're in a freeze period at that point19:36
stgraberand python-gevent is a dependency of python-x2go which is seeded by Edubuntu and so is covered by the freeze even if it's in universe19:37
* dupondje checked https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeatureFreeze19:37
stgrabersame thing for vlc that's part of mythbuntu19:37
stgraberso these packages should only be touched with approval of the product manager and/or release team during the freeze periods19:37
stgraberwhich are anonunced on ubuntu-devel-announce (hence the need to subscribe and read it)19:38
dupondjeOk :) That was not very clear after reading https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeatureFreeze19:38
micahgdupondje: Feature Freeze != Milestone freeze19:40
stgraberright, milestone freeze is completely different from feature freeze19:41
stgraberand is also valid for alpha releases way before we get into feature freeze19:41
micahgdupondje: you mention that you don't like the dev cycle since the whole cycle isn't available to do syncs/merges, how do you propose that the distro stabilize for a release?19:42
dupondjemilestone freeze is announced on the devel-announce, so I keep an eye on that19:42
barryhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/MilestoneProcess19:42
dupondjemicahg: I think the way debian does it is a nice option19:43
micahgdupondje: Debian freezes for 6 months :)19:43
bdrung(or more)19:43
dupondjetrue, but advanced users can use the devel version (aka testing)19:43
bdrungadvanced users are not the main target of ubuntu19:44
micahgtesting (which is the next release) is what's frozen for months on end19:44
dupondjewell yea, but there should be a 'rolling version', where everything gets in after some testing19:46
micahgdupondje: well, we do have the option for backports if we ever start opening that post feature freeze for things that qualify19:46
dupondjebut its indeed not the focus of ubuntu. Which isn't a problem ofcourse :)19:46
bdrungdupondje: our 'rolling version' is currently called 'quantal' ;)19:47
dupondjethats what i'm using atm :)19:48
dupondjewith almost no issues in fact19:48
dupondjeIts nice to see new stuff gets added, and everything is moving. But near to the release its getting a bit 'boring' :)19:49
dupondjemaby the next version should be started before the release of the next version (so it overlaps a bit)19:50
dupondjecause now its perferred to do syncs/merges in the early dev stage :)19:50
dupondjeBut a perfect solutions for everybody is indeed not possible :)19:51
micahgdupondje: you do realize the intent of new uploads is to provide the best user experience, not be not-boring, right?19:51
dupondjeIts ofcourse most important that the release version is stable and gives a good user experience19:52
dupondjebut I also think some people prefer bleeding edge :)19:52
bdrungdupondje: would it make sense to upload audacity 2.0.2 RC1 to quantal?19:55
dupondjeI think its preferred to stay in sync with debian, also better stay with stable releases (no beta/rc) if there is not a good reason19:57
micahgxnox: did you have a quesiton?19:59
bdrungdupondje: imagine that i upload audacity 2.0.2 RC1 to debian. should i do the sync?19:59
bdrungdupondje: which are good reasons to upload beta/rc packages?19:59
dupondjeIf the release of the stable version is soon (before ff), and if it fixes quite soms bugs :)20:01
* bdrung nods.20:01
bdrungxnox: you can ask your question now.20:02
micahgwell, RCs could also be useful if the final version is after feature freeze, but the upstream release is feature frozen and they keep to their timetables well enough to ensure a release before final freeze20:02
dupondjealot of projects doesn't have a strict timetable tho :)20:03
bdrungdupondje: they can be judged by their previous releases.20:04
micahgsee why we have Xfce 4.8 in precise :)20:04
* dupondje is still using gnome-shell20:06
dupondjefeeling quite alone these days :)20:06
micahg#voters barry tumbleweed Laney cody-somerville micahg stgraber bdrung20:08
meetingologyCurrent voters: Laney barry bdrung cody-somerville micahg stgraber tumbleweed20:08
micahg#vote Grant MOTU upload rights to dupondje20:08
meetingologyPlease vote on: Grant MOTU upload rights to dupondje20:08
meetingologyPublic votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)20:08
bdrung+120:08
meetingology+1 received from bdrung20:08
dupondjeand if I doubt on something, i'll stalk you guys in #ubuntu-motu :)20:09
stgraber-1 [ I appreciate the technical skills and I'm not worried about that side of things. But I want to see more knowledge about the ubuntu release process before giving a +1 ]20:09
meetingology-1 [ I appreciate the technical skills and I'm not worried about that side of things. But I want to see more knowledge about the ubuntu release process before giving a +1 ] received from stgraber20:09
dupondjenp20:09
barry+0 [ for similar reasons ]20:10
meetingology+0 [ for similar reasons ] received from barry20:10
micahg+0 what stgraber said20:10
meetingology+0 what stgraber said received from micahg20:10
tumbleweed+0 [ I a also would like to see more knowledge of the release processes ]20:12
meetingology+0 [ I a also would like to see more knowledge of the release processes ] received from tumbleweed20:12
micahg#endvote20:12
meetingologyVoting ended on: Grant MOTU upload rights to dupondje20:12
meetingologyVotes for:1 Votes against:1 Abstentions:320:12
meetingologyDeadlock, casting vote may be used20:12
bdrungwith the two remaining members +4 can't be reached any more.20:14
micahgdupondje: sorry that we weren't able to grant this today, but please come back in a few months, you've done good work20:14
dupondjeok np20:14
bdrungdupondje: btw, it's good to see a good collaboration with debian20:15
dupondjeI keep it up :) and will read some more about the release process. Also I keep subscribed to the deval-announce :)20:15
bdrung*devel-announce ;)20:15
dupondjewell yea :)20:15
tumbleweedgiven the feature freeze coming up, there's lots of opportunity to see the process in action :)20:16
dupondjebdrung: keeping the delta 0 is gives us less work :)20:16
bdrungdupondje: i totally agree20:16
dupondjeand the debian guys are also happy their bugs gets fixed :)20:16
dupondjeand fixing the things in upstream (not debian, but the devel itself) is even better :)20:17
micahgok, moving on20:18
micahg#topic what to do when uploaders no longer have the CoC signed20:18
=== meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: what to do when uploaders no longer have the CoC signed
micahgso, as stgraber said, there seems to be only one course of action once they've been notified and given a chance to correct this, remove their upload rights until the sign the CoC20:18
* bdrung agrees20:19
tumbleweedas scott isn't using his upload rights, we also have the option of just ignoring it20:19
stgraber+120:19
stgraberwell, as he's not using it anyway, we might as well remove it :)20:20
tumbleweedquite20:20
* xnox will poke ev to poke scott about it =)20:20
micahgok, I think we can dispense with the formal vote here20:20
* xnox just as another thing to make fun of =)20:20
tumbleweedstgraber: have we dealt with all the inconsistencies that your report picked up?20:21
stgrabertumbleweed: all but the langpack team20:21
stgraberoh and I still need to cleanup coredev/motu duplicate package set rights20:22
micahg#action remove scott from ubuntu-core-dev until he signs the CoC20:22
meetingologyACTION: remove scott from ubuntu-core-dev until he signs the CoC20:22
tumbleweeddo I need to roll any of this into the membership check e-mail?20:22
micahg#action stgraber to clean up coredev/motu duplicate package set rights20:22
meetingologyACTION: stgraber to clean up coredev/motu duplicate package set rights20:22
micahg#topic aob20:23
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stgrabertumbleweed: I don't think so, I can check from time to time but it shouldn't get any worse as long as we don't screw up ;)20:23
stgraberit's really the historic stuff that's a bit of a mess, I think that all additions have been sane20:24
micahgyeah, as long as we see who's expired, we just need to follow up on that20:24
tumbleweedwell, that's the main purpose of the weekly e-mail20:24
micahgI think that's a wrap then20:26
tumbleweeddo we want to discuss scrapping any packagesets?20:26
micahgtumbleweed: oh, we could I guess20:26
tumbleweedI suppose the thing to do here is contact uploaders of packagesets that we don't think are used20:26
micahgsounds good, want an action?20:27
tumbleweedsure, I'll take it (pity Laney isn't here)20:27
micahgtumbleweed: we have the option to voluntold :)20:27
tumbleweedlet's try that first. he seemed keenest20:28
micahg#action laney (tumbleweed) to contact the uploaders of unused packagesets20:28
meetingologyACTION: laney (tumbleweed) to contact the uploaders of unused packagesets20:28
tumbleweedok, i've had enough of this meeting, and want to go to bed20:29
micahg#action next chair: cody-somerville (laney)20:29
meetingologyACTION: next chair: cody-somerville (laney)20:29
micahg#endmeeting20:29
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meetingologyMeeting ended Mon Aug 13 20:29:55 2012 UTC.20:29
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barrymicahg: thanks!20:30
micahgthanks for coming everyone20:30
stgrabertumbleweed: good night!20:30
stgrabermicahg: thanks!20:30
micahgnight tumbleweed20:30
tumbleweedthanks :)20:33
tumbleweedstill recovering from flu. after a day at work, I'm totally exhausted and not much use any more :/20:34
bdrungtumbleweed: get well soon! hopefully the flu cannot spread via IP ;)20:35
micahgIP bird flu :) http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc114920:36
bdrung:D20:37
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