[13:56] <smartboyhw> Ubuntu Studio Contributors Meeting starting in 5 minutes.
[13:56] <smartboyhw> Please o/ if you are here
[13:59] <stochastic> hi
[13:59] <smartboyhw> Hello.
[13:59] <smartboyhw> The problem is no one
[13:59] <smartboyhw> is here
[14:00] <smartboyhw> I will wait for 5 - 10 minutes
[14:00] <stochastic> okay
[14:01] <smartboyhw> Please o/ if you are joining the Ubuntu studio meeting
[14:01] <stochastic> smartboyhw, did the meeting time get agreed upon by a group of people at any point?
[14:01] <smartboyhw> Yep, on Thursday
[14:02] <stochastic> who all said they could come?
[14:02] <smartboyhw> God, the problem is NO ONE"S HERE
[14:02] <raju> hmm
[14:02] <smartboyhw> Oh hi raju
[14:03] <raju> smartboyhw,  waiting for someone
[14:03] <smartboyhw> astraljava
[14:03] <smartboyhw> scott-work
[14:03] <smartboyhw> holstein
[14:03] <smartboyhw> ailo
[14:06] <stochastic> smartboyhw, are you chair of the meeting?
[14:06] <smartboyhw> Yep
[14:06] <smartboyhw> I called the meeting
[14:06] <smartboyhw> They agreed
[14:06] <smartboyhw> I added it to the calendar
[14:06] <stochastic> is this the agenda we're following: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Meetings/2012August13
[14:07] <smartboyhw> YEP!
[14:07] <smartboyhw> astraljava said he'd come
[14:08] <stochastic> sometimes people sleep in/get busy/forget/etc...  things happen
[14:08] <stochastic> I don't see much in the agenda for topics
[14:08] <smartboyhw> I will issue a very angry letter to the dev mailing list about it
[14:09] <stochastic> why so much anger smartboyhw
[14:10] <smartboyhw> stochastic: What do you think?
[14:10] <Len-nb> That is a good question
[14:10] <smartboyhw> Oh hi Len-nb
[14:10] <smartboyhw> Len-nb: Are you Len-dt?
[14:10] <stochastic> So I see that we're about to hit feature freeze on quantal
[14:10] <Len-nb> on a different machine yes
[14:11] <Len-nb> It would be nice if we could actually get the changes we have madereleased.
[14:11] <smartboyhw> Good
[14:11] <smartboyhw> Should we start the meeting
[14:11] <smartboyhw> ?
[14:11] <stochastic> Len-nb, is there a list of changes that need to get pushed or addressed?
[14:12] <stochastic> smartboyhw, yes please
[14:12] <Len-nb> there are 4 or 5 packages that have commits that need releasing.
[14:13] <smartboyhw> #startmeeting
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[14:13] <smartboyhw> Okay, hi
[14:13] <stochastic> hi
[14:14] <smartboyhw> #topic Report on Ubuntu Studio
[14:14] <stochastic> hi holstein
[14:14] <smartboyhw> If anyone had anything to say about Ubuntu Studio development or progress, please o/
[14:14] <holstein> stochastic: \o/
[14:14] <holstein> o/
[14:15] <smartboyhw> holstein: PLease
[14:15] <smartboyhw> holstein: Go ahead
[14:16] <holstein> i was just saying im present... if Len-nb has something, that would be relavant
[14:17] <stochastic> Len-nb, you were saying about the commits that need pushing?
[14:17] <stochastic> before FF hits
[14:18] <smartboyhw> len-nb: Are you here?
[14:18] <Len-nb> -look -settings and the seeds/metas need to get done too.
[14:18] <Len-nb> takes time to type smartboyhw
[14:18] <smartboyhw> Sorry
[14:18] <smartboyhw> You haven't o/ed
[14:18] <stochastic> o/
[14:19] <smartboyhw> Please, stochastic
[14:19] <Len-nb> I had thought there was another but it is for 12.04.1 and it looks it won't get used.
[14:19]  * stochastic doesn't understand the o/ system
[14:19]  * Len-nb too
[14:20] <smartboyhw> o/ in first sight means that you are present
[14:20] <smartboyhw> o/ now means you want to bring up a topic
[14:20] <smartboyhw> ..
[14:21] <holstein> smartboyhw: re-link the meeting agenda, and lets go from there
[14:21] <Len-nb> stochastic, the seeds to meta stuff seems to not work acourding to micahg. He will work on it when time permits
[14:22] <holstein> we can see if Len-nb has time to report on progress today, and try and give ScottL time to show
[14:22] <stochastic> michag only has 10 days before FF
[14:22] <holstein> Len-nb: is that in 12.10?.. how about 12.04.1 or whatever... is that all good?
[14:22] <smartboyhw> So guys, do you think we can meet the 23/8 schedule of releasing Ubuntu Studio 12.04.1?
[14:23] <Len-nb> holstein, as far as I know we are not really doing anything for 04.1
[14:23] <holstein> Len-nb: hopefully, its just a matter of testing... and i think some folks were testing for US
[14:24] <holstein> i know the xubuntu team always helps US out
[14:24] <smartboyhw> Yep, just finished testing 12.04.1 image for 64-bit
[14:24] <smartboyhw> Reported on ISO QA Tracker
[14:24] <holstein> smartboyhw: cool.. thanks... i think thats all we'll have to do for 12.04
[14:24] <Len-nb> There is a -settings commited that could be used tha fixes minor menu details, but Scott doesn't seem enthused
[14:25] <Len-nb> I have done a few 12.04.1 i386 tests too
[14:25] <smartboyhw> Len-nb does 32-bit, me does 64-bit
[14:25] <stochastic> excellent, so I think we should make a motion to push for image testers for 12.04.1 just to make sure everything is all good.  A call on the mailing list or something similar
[14:25] <Len-nb> second
[14:25] <smartboyhw> Len-nb: You know astraljava took over coordination of testing?
[14:25] <holstein> i have done some unofficial FW tests with ailo
[14:26] <smartboyhw> #action Len-nb and smartboyhw to find more people to test 12.04.1 daily images
[14:26] <meetingology> ACTION: Len-nb and smartboyhw to find more people to test 12.04.1 daily images
[14:26] <Len-nb> FW = ?
[14:26] <holstein> yeah... just an email letting everyone know testing is needed...
[14:26] <holstein> Len-nb: firewire
[14:26] <Len-nb> Ah! right
[14:26] <stochastic> holstein, how'd they turn out?
[14:27] <holstein> stochastic: so far so good... im actually still personally running 10.04 on my production machine, but i will upgrade to 12.04 when i have time
[14:27] <Len-nb> I still miss gcdmaster
[14:27] <stochastic> Ok, I think busniess for 12.04.1 is sorted as much as we can for now
[14:27] <holstein> stochastic: seems better all the time actually.. especially without the *-realtime kernel.. i find that less and less manditory
[14:28] <holstein> Len-nb: me too :/
[14:28] <stochastic> or should we discuss release announcement for 12.04.1?  Is one needed?
[14:28] <Len-nb> stochastic, on the website when released
[14:28] <holstein> stochastic: i think someone should mention it to scottL, and one of us can offer to help make on if needed
[14:28] <smartboyhw> stochastic: Let us write an email to users list
[14:29] <Len-nb> The main thing with 12.04.1 is it save upgrading about 200 packages at install for late adopters
[14:29] <stochastic> someone with knowledge of the changes between 12.04 and 12.04.1 needs to draft a couple explanation notes
[14:30] <holstein> stochastic: maybe we could just look at the main ubuntu ones and copy/edit a bit
[14:30] <smartboyhw> Question: Who has that knowledge?
[14:30] <holstein> or xubuntu...
[14:30] <stochastic> ok
[14:30] <Len-nb> holstein, you have it right
[14:31] <holstein> i bet the xubuntu ones are pretty much exactly ours... since we didnt change any studio specific stuff
[14:31] <smartboyhw> So we can transfer Xubuntu to Ubuntu Studio!
[14:31] <Len-nb> I am not if they made changes either, vanilla may cover it.
[14:32] <stochastic> I'll volunteer to draft one up for us and post it.
[14:32] <smartboyhw> stochastic: I agree
[14:32] <Len-nb> the big thing is xfce4.10 which 12.10
[14:33] <smartboyhw> #action: stochastic to write a draft for changes between 12.04 and 12.04.1
[14:33] <meetingology> ACTION: : stochastic to write a draft for changes between 12.04 and 12.04.1
[14:34] <stochastic> so on to 12.10 chat, any big things need squishing before FF?  let's get at least one action item hammered out for 12.10
[14:34] <Len-nb> firefox branding, publishing meta
[14:35] <Len-nb> Hmm, the people I need to ask are not here
[14:35] <stochastic> holstein, do you have upload privileges?
[14:36] <holstein> stochastic: to the site? i dont think so... but ScottL does ...i havnet checked to see if my old creds work on the official site
[14:36] <holstein> stochastic: i'll help sort that out though...
[14:36] <smartboyhw> holstein: Thanks
[14:36] <stochastic> holstein, not to the site, I have those, I mean to the repos?
[14:37] <stochastic> to help push commits through
[14:37] <holstein> stochastic: nah... that would be scott or one of the motu's... i think we can just ask someone for help
[14:37] <stochastic> persia is usually pretty good at helping out, also TheMuso
[14:38] <smartboyhw> Who should we select?
[14:38] <stochastic> Len-nb, can you talk to those gents to see if you can get the commits published?
[14:38] <holstein> yup... if we put the word out, i think we can get a hand.. let me know if you need help tracking someone down stochastic
[14:38] <Len-nb> I will try that
[14:38] <stochastic> excellent, sounds like an action item
[14:38] <smartboyhw> So what should we write for action?
[14:39] <smartboyhw> #action holstein and Len-nb to find someone to publishing committs
[14:39] <meetingology> ACTION: holstein and Len-nb to find someone to publishing committs
[14:39] <smartboyhw> Anyone saw the action item? So many people quit
[14:39] <holstein> smartboyhw: netsplit
[14:40] <stochastic> please post the action item again
[14:40] <smartboyhw> #action holstein and Len-dt to find someone for pushing commits
[14:40] <meetingology> ACTION: holstein and Len-dt to find someone for pushing commits
[14:40] <smartboyhw> Is this one OK?
[14:40] <stochastic> The firefox branding, where are we on that, is a fix committed?
[14:41] <stochastic> smartboyhw, looks great
[14:41] <smartboyhw> Thanks, stochastic
[14:41] <Len-nb> I need to find out if I should do more or less.
[14:41] <Len-nb> so far I have home page. but that will have to come off.
[14:42] <Len-nb> I have bookmarked our site
[14:42] <smartboyhw> Len-nb: Nice job!
[14:42] <Len-nb> but the blueprints seem to suggest more bookmarks
[14:42] <stochastic> baby steps are still good steps :)
[14:43] <smartboyhw> Maybe we can bookmark Wiki pages and how to contribute?
[14:43] <stochastic> I'd be happy to chat after the meeting with you Len about the intricacies of the branding?
[14:43] <Len-nb> I can commit what I have or add more. xchat is stuck right now
[14:43] <smartboyhw> Uh oh, Len-nb.
[14:44] <Len-nb> I may just add a menu item that starts xchat on #ubuntustudio
[14:44] <smartboyhw> #ubuntustudio-devel also
[14:44] <Len-nb> No
[14:44] <smartboyhw> OK
[14:45] <stochastic> dev is for active volunteers
[14:45] <smartboyhw> Ok, so only #ubuntustudio
[14:45] <Len-nb> This would be right below the help item
[14:45] <smartboyhw> #action: Len-nb to add menu item on xchat that starts #ubuntustudio
[14:45] <meetingology> ACTION: : Len-nb to add menu item on xchat that starts #ubuntustudio
[14:45] <stochastic> cool
[14:45] <Len-nb> I think it will use the studio logo
[14:46] <smartboyhw> It should
[14:47] <stochastic> ok
[14:47] <stochastic> what other major projects are we looking at in the next 10 days?
[14:47] <smartboyhw> Major...Hmm...
[14:47] <Len-nb> There is a new publishing meta.
[14:47] <stochastic> or minor
[14:48] <stochastic> have all the packages been screened/approved or is it just a rough draft still?
[14:48] <Len-nb> I was just looking at our web page and it suggests we are shipping libreoffice
[14:48] <smartboyhw> Len-nb: I agree we should ship it.
[14:48] <Len-nb> I have not added office to the meta
[14:48] <smartboyhw> So... ?
[14:48] <Len-nb> It is quite large
[14:48] <holstein> i could argue we shouldnt, but im with you guys
[14:49] <holstein> its a full featured suite of tools that does not directly address anything ubuntustudio is about
[14:49] <smartboyhw> So, action item on adding LibreOffice to Ubuutu Studio?
[14:49] <Len-nb> The is an icon for extra software that maks it easy to load
[14:49] <Len-nb> no ... or not yet
[14:50] <smartboyhw> OK, so maybe we can ship it in future 12.10 releases...
[14:50] <stochastic> Len-nb is there a package list I can take a look at?
[14:50] <Len-nb> I am thinking maybe the website should be changed
[14:50] <stochastic> which website page?
[14:50] <smartboyhw> ubuntustudio.org?
[14:50] <Len-nb> feature tour
[14:50] <Len-nb> publishing
[14:50] <smartboyhw> OK
[14:50] <holstein> i remember arguing about libreoffice though...
[14:51] <smartboyhw> So no LibreOffice or so?
[14:51] <holstein> seems like it might be that it is supposed to be there
[14:51] <Len-nb> I'll ask scott
[14:51] <holstein> i would run it by ScottL first...
[14:51] <smartboyhw> Ok
[14:51] <holstein> i will go with whatever you guys go with...
[14:51] <smartboyhw> So what's the action item for this?
[14:51] <stochastic> Len-nb, right at the top of the feature tour page it reads "Allthough not everything is preinstalled, powerful tools for book publishing are at your fingertips, installable from the repo using Software Center."
[14:51] <Len-nb> The other app mentioned is calibre
[14:52] <smartboyhw> OK
[14:52] <Len-nb> Ok, I will not worry about office then
[14:52] <stochastic> I don't think Calibre or LibreOffice should be shipped
[14:52] <smartboyhw> So, ignore LibreOffice?
[14:52] <stochastic> personally
[14:52] <smartboyhw> Action Item: Ignore office software?
[14:53] <stochastic> is there a publishing meta that is being created for this release?
[14:53] <Len-nb> Right. Ok, I think we worked out the workflow pretty good on the list
[14:53] <Len-nb> It is commited
[14:53] <Len-nb> Photography has been split and commited
[14:53] <stochastic> ok
[14:53] <Len-nb> so two new metas
[14:54] <smartboyhw> GREAT!
[14:54] <stochastic> so this falls under the pushing commits through subject that we already covered with the action item
[14:54] <stochastic> :)
[14:54] <smartboyhw> Action Item?
[14:54] <Len-nb> Yup.
[14:54] <smartboyhw> What should we write?
[14:54] <holstein> asking scottL about libreoffice
[14:55] <stochastic> smartboyhw, we already covered this meetingology> ACTION: holstein and Len-nb to find someone to publishing committs
[14:55] <Len-nb> scott and ailo also have some workflow stuff they are working on for the bottom panel
[14:55] <holstein> stochastic: i could go there too.. i think they dont fit in.. but i remember someone convincing me on the issue of publishing
[14:55] <smartboyhw> Oh, that one
[14:56] <smartboyhw> Anything more to say apart from this?
[14:57] <smartboyhw> Anyone have more to say?
[14:57] <stochastic> I'd like to say that I think the overall direction of graphics and publishing should be given someone to take the reigns.  Maybe not now.
[14:58] <stochastic> maybe there already is
[14:58] <holstein> stochastic: you mean, a team member who is into grahpis?
[14:58] <holstein> graphics*
[14:58] <smartboyhw> On stochastic's question, any volunteers?
[14:58] <stochastic> or has a solid concept of where US should help publishers and graphic artists
[14:58] <holstein> i think we have a lot of audio folks, and thats great, but it would be nice to cultivate a person or 2 for graphics and/or video
[14:59] <stochastic> is troy_s ever around anymore?
[14:59] <holstein> someone to come here like we are and say what works and what doesnt and why
[14:59] <smartboyhw> Who will do graphics and video publishing?
[14:59] <holstein> stochastic: havent seen him in a while
[14:59] <stochastic> or Corey?
[14:59] <Len-nb> Having the apps to make US interesting to these people may come first
[14:59] <smartboyhw> Len-nb: I agree
[14:59] <stochastic> agreed
[14:59] <holstein> i think someone will materialize... ScottL does a lot of video actually
[15:00] <stochastic> I can help slightly in the future with this planning
[15:00] <stochastic> maybe not in the next 10 days
[15:00] <smartboyhw> Maybe we should send a request along teh dev mail list for volunteers of helping graphics and video
[15:00] <holstein> stochastic: i think that email needs to be well thought out
[15:00] <Len-nb> Been done... in various ways
[15:00] <holstein> some folks dont come to the IRC...
[15:00] <holstein> stochastic: that was for smartboyhw ^^
[15:01] <smartboyhw> That e-mail will be a job advertisement:)
[15:01] <holstein> just be careful how you "ask" for help... we dont need more differing opinions, and folks doing work that we cant include.. we really need one person to "take the reigns" as stochastic suggested
[15:01] <Len-nb> Part of the reason I am hesitant to add much more SW right now, is that I would like to see how big The ISO
[15:02] <smartboyhw> OK
[15:02] <smartboyhw> Len-nb: Make it under 2GB
[15:02] <Len-nb> Too late already
[15:02] <holstein> its over 2 now... and we have lots of "why dont we have this" emails on the list
[15:02] <stochastic> Len-nb let's not add too much on this release, just get the ball moving
[15:02] <smartboyhw> Make it under 4.7GiB (DVD capacity)
[15:02] <smartboyhw> stochastic: +1
[15:03] <holstein> swsure, but folks with limited bandwidth complain
[15:03] <holstein> smartboyhw: ^
[15:03] <holstein> you literally cant please everyone
[15:03] <Len-nb> I am thinking If the seeds/metas get updated I will be able to see where we are
[15:04] <holstein> i like the workflows idea.. a nice comfortable default, and you can click on "publishing" and install whatever is designated automagically
[15:04] <Len-nb> scott was talking about adding kdenlive... but I am not sure... and knowing how big we are now would help
[15:04] <smartboyhw> yeah, we are a small team
[15:05] <Len-nb> holstein, that needs a ubiquity plugin
[15:05] <stochastic> okay, for an action item, how about a graphics/publishing sub-committee is formed to polish the current release and shape the 13.04 release plan for these metas
[15:05] <holstein> Len-nb: could be after the install, for all i care
[15:05] <smartboyhw> stochastic: I agree. Everyone: Agree?
[15:05] <smartboyhw> who will be in that sub-commitee?
[15:06] <holstein> yeah.. i think thats a great goal
[15:06] <stochastic> I'll join
[15:06] <Len-nb> There is the live experience to look at
[15:06] <holstein> gives some time for someone to step up
[15:06] <smartboyhw> I'll join too
[15:06] <Len-nb> I would use the list to set it up
[15:06] <smartboyhw> Who's the chair of the sub-committee for now?
[15:07] <stochastic> we'll sort out the members later, including the chair, we just need to have someone willing to organize the people interested
[15:07] <smartboyhw> OK, so action item:
[15:07] <smartboyhw> #action : stochastic and Len-nb and holstein and smartboyhw to set up a graphics and publishing sub-committee for teh abovementioned metas
[15:07] <meetingology> ACTION: : stochastic and Len-nb and holstein and smartboyhw to set up a graphics and publishing sub-committee for teh abovementioned metas
[15:07] <holstein> i think any of us can help shape that
[15:08] <smartboyhw> Yep
[15:08] <smartboyhw> So, anymore to say, guys?
[15:09] <stochastic> I think we covered most things that need attention over the near future
[15:09] <stochastic> and the meeting is starting to hit the 60min mark
[15:09] <Len-nb> done
[15:10] <smartboyhw> Good, so end meeting, everyone? o/ to agree
[15:10] <stochastic> o?
[15:10] <stochastic> o/
[15:10] <Len-nb> o/
[15:10] <smartboyhw> #endmeeting
[15:10] <meetingology> Meeting ended Mon Aug 13 15:10:28 2012 UTC.
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[15:10] <smartboyhw> Thanks everybody!
[15:11] <stochastic> thanks smartboyhw for organizing this
[15:12] <smartboyhw> Thansk stochastic, Len-nb, holstein
[15:12] <holstein> thanks all!
[15:12] <smartboyhw> Thanks!
[18:02] <jjohansen> \o
[18:02] <jdstrand> hi!
[18:02] <tyhicks`> hello
[18:02] <mdeslaur> \o
[18:02] <jdstrand> #startmeeting
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[18:02] <jdstrand> The meeting agenda can be found at:
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[18:03] <jdstrand> Thanks to the following individuals:
[18:03] <jdstrand> Scott Kitterman (ScottK) provided a debdiff for precise for Calligra (LP: #1032934)
[18:03] <jdstrand> Your work is very much appreciated and will keep Ubuntu users secure. Great job! :)
[18:03] <jdstrand> [TOPIC] Weekly stand-up report
[18:03] <jdstrand> I'll go first
[18:04] <jdstrand> I'm doing triage this week
[18:04] <jdstrand> I'm working on an embargoed issue
[18:04] <jdstrand> I'd like to finish the ever exanding list of MIR audits
[18:05] <jdstrand> I'd like to say I am hopeful, but quite a few got piled on last week
[18:05] <jdstrand> recruiting continues
[18:06] <jdstrand> and hopefully I'll get back to updates
[18:06] <jdstrand> mdeslaur: you're up
[18:06] <mdeslaur> I'm in the happy place this week
[18:06] <mdeslaur> I'm about to publish libreoffice/openoffice updates
[18:07] <mdeslaur> and since feature freeze is in a week and a half, I want to continue working on my apport apparmor work items
[18:07] <mdeslaur> to try and get that in before then
[18:07] <mdeslaur> if I have time, I'll pick something else off the list
[18:07] <mdeslaur> that's it for me
[18:07] <mdeslaur> sbeattie: you're up
[18:07] <sbeattie> I'm on community this week
[18:08] <sbeattie> (It'll be a bit of a short week as I'm off Friday)
[18:08] <mdeslaur> oh, I'm off friday too
[18:08] <sbeattie> I'm trying to get out from under my email backlog after being gone last week
[18:09] <sbeattie> I need to get on top of my apparmor work items and resurrect the updates I was working on before my holiday (libgc, openstack)
[18:09] <sbeattie> I think that's it for me.
[18:09] <sbeattie> micahg: you're up
[18:10] <micahg> still working on webkit, and piloting today
[18:10] <micahg> ran into a few bumps with various things that I might try to debug (not strictly security related)
[18:10] <micahg> and more mozilla pre-testing
[18:11] <micahg> that's it
[18:11] <micahg> tyhicks: you're up
[18:11] <tyhicks> I'm in the happy place and have a short week this week (only working today and tomorrow)
[18:11] <tyhicks> I'm working on the xmlrpc-c update, but I doubt it will go out this week
[18:12] <tyhicks> I also have a few loose ends to tie up (triage of a new bug report and a patch that I need to merge) on the eCryptfs mailing list before Wednesday
[18:12] <tyhicks> that's it for me
[18:12] <tyhicks> jjohansen: you're up
[18:13] <jjohansen> well I will be coordinating with sbeattie on some of his apparmor WIs. I have several bugs to track down and fix so I can actually push out the latest queue of patches with the locking rework, and I hope to pick off some of the smaller, WIs this week like enabling basic netlink socket mediation
[18:14] <jjohansen> jdstrand: back to you
[18:15] <jdstrand> The Ubuntu Security team will highlight some community-supported packages that might be good candidates for updating and or triaging. If you would like to help Ubuntu and not sure where to start, this is a great way to do so. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/UpdateProcedures for details and if you have any questions, feel free to ask in #ubuntu-security. To find out other ways of helping out, please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Securi
[18:15] <jdstrand> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/libspring-java.html
[18:15] <jdstrand> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/mpop.html
[18:15] <jdstrand> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/libfcgi-perl.html
[18:15] <jdstrand> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/xpdf.html
[18:15] <jdstrand> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/snort.html
[18:15] <jdstrand> [TOPIC] Miscellaneous and Questions
[18:16] <jdstrand> There are a lot of merge opportunities for packages listed in http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/d2u/. Performing these updates is a great way to help Ubuntu and bolster your developer application.
[18:16] <jdstrand> Does anyone have any other questions or items to discuss?
[18:16] <mdeslaur> I do
[18:16] <mdeslaur> sbeattie, jdstrand, tyhicks, jjohansen: since it's feature freeze next week, please prioritize work items that can actually be done this week
[18:17] <mdeslaur> I mean, that need to go in before feature freeze
[18:17] <mdeslaur> if there's anything that you can't do this week that needs to go in before feature freeze, please let me know
[18:17] <mdeslaur> so we can either postpone, or start thinking about a FFe
[18:17] <mdeslaur> whoops, micahg too ^
[18:18] <jdstrand> ack
[18:18] <micahg> mdeslaur: I don't think I have an WI tied to the release that involve features
[18:18] <mdeslaur> cool.
[18:18] <mdeslaur> and now, back to Jamie:
[18:19] <jdstrand> anything else people would like to discuss?
[18:21] <jdstrand> mdeslaur, sbeattie, micahg, tyhicks, jjohansen: thanks!
[18:21] <jdstrand> #endmeeting
[18:21] <meetingology> Meeting ended Mon Aug 13 18:21:07 2012 UTC.
[18:21] <meetingology> Minutes (wiki):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-08-13-18.02.moin.txt
[18:21] <meetingology> Minutes (html):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-08-13-18.02.html
[18:21] <mdeslaur> thanks jdstrand
[18:21] <tyhicks> thanks
[18:21] <jjohansen> thanks jdstrand
[18:21] <sbeattie> jdstrand: thanks!
[18:21] <micahg> thanks jdstrand
[18:59] <bdrung> !dmb-ping
[18:59] <bdrung> meeting in one minute!
[18:59]  * stgraber waves
[19:00] <dupondje> Evening!
[19:02] <tumbleweed> hi
[19:02]  * barry waves
[19:05]  * micahg is here
[19:05]  * dupondje to
[19:06] <bdrung> where is our chair cody-somerville?
[19:09] <micahg> #startmeeting
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[19:10] <micahg> #topic Review of previous action items
[19:10] <micahg> #subtopic micahg to document the zentyal packageset
[19:10] <micahg> carried
[19:10] <micahg> #subtopic micahg to ping beuno regarding CC discussion on whether upload rights should confer membership
[19:10] <micahg> this is now yokozar who agreed to start the discussion, so done
[19:10] <micahg> #subtopic tumbleweed to contact ubuntu developers who haven't signed the CoC
[19:10] <tumbleweed> contacted
[19:11] <tumbleweed> no reply from scott
[19:11] <micahg> right, so should we discuss at the end what to do about this?
[19:11] <tumbleweed> sounds good
[19:12] <micahg> moving on
[19:12] <stgraber> sure, though I can only thing of one thing we can do...
[19:12] <stgraber> *think
[19:14] <micahg> #topic MOTU application for Jean-Louis Dupond
[19:14] <dupondje> Approved ;)
[19:16] <dupondje> You can view my application on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JeanLouisDupond/MOTUApplication
[19:16] <dupondje> Been active quite some time for Ubuntu, and a daily user.
[19:17] <dupondje> Doing merges/syncs mostly, and also cryptsetup/remmina maintainer upstream (debian)
[19:17] <micahg> #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JeanLouisDupond/MOTUApplication
[19:18] <dupondje> And i'm working on Ubuntu when I have some spare time, so sometimes alot, sometimes a bit less :'(
[19:18]  * xnox lurks in due to highlight on cryptsetup
[19:19] <dupondje> hello xnox  :)
[19:20] <stgraber> dupondje: are you subscribed to ubuntu-devel-announce?
[19:21]  * xnox has a question for the candidate. 0/
[19:21] <dupondje> And there is still much work todo on MOTU (https://merges.ubuntu.com/universe.html)
[19:21] <dupondje> stgraber: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/devel-permissions/2012-August/000381.html
[19:21] <dupondje> but not subscribed indeed
[19:22] <stgraber> dupondje: I said ubuntu-devel-announce, not devel-permissions :)
[19:23] <dupondje> i'm not no
[19:23] <stgraber> ok, please make sure you're subscribed to it and read it daily
[19:23] <stgraber> that's where the freeze announcements are announced, anyone who intends to upload to the archive should be reading it
[19:23] <dupondje> Not much traffic on it it seems :)
[19:24] <stgraber> indeed, it's low but very important traffic
[19:24] <dupondje> Your subscription request has been received, done!
[19:24] <stgraber> good
[19:25] <stgraber> now, an hopefully quick other question
[19:25] <dupondje> i'm open for it :)
[19:25] <stgraber> let's say you're for some reason working on python-gevent
[19:25] <stgraber> it's on the 4th of september
[19:25] <stgraber> and your upload is a non critical bugfix
[19:26] <bdrung> dupondje: image you want to upload vlc on September, 1st. are you allowed to do that?
[19:26] <stgraber> assuming, you're a MOTU by then, will you be able to upload it?
[19:26] <stgraber> bdrung: I see some overlap between our questions ;)
[19:26]  * bdrung nods.
[19:28] <dupondje> bdrung: no, gotto ask permission first (and only bugfix releases (normally))
[19:28] <bdrung> dupondje: assume that it's just a bug fix. permission for what?
[19:28] <dupondje> stgraber: think a non-critical is not wanted, if its critical, I could consider asking the release team
[19:29] <stgraber> dupondje: ok, why?
[19:30] <dupondje> If the patch is small (and doesn't change any functionallity/api or break other things) its fine
[19:31] <stgraber> actually, it's not, now guess why :)
[19:32] <dupondje> stgraber: in general or for the python-gevent?
[19:32] <dupondje> :)
[19:32] <stgraber> in this case, python-gevent :)
[19:33] <stgraber> though the same applies to vlc, as bdrung's question touches the same problematic
[19:33]  * stgraber shuts up now, that's way enough hints ;)
[19:36] <stgraber> right, so we need to move on with the questions.
[19:36] <stgraber> the answer to both bdrung and my questions is that we're in a freeze period at that point
[19:37] <stgraber> and python-gevent is a dependency of python-x2go which is seeded by Edubuntu and so is covered by the freeze even if it's in universe
[19:37]  * dupondje checked https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeatureFreeze
[19:37] <stgraber> same thing for vlc that's part of mythbuntu
[19:37] <stgraber> so these packages should only be touched with approval of the product manager and/or release team during the freeze periods
[19:38] <stgraber> which are anonunced on ubuntu-devel-announce (hence the need to subscribe and read it)
[19:38] <dupondje> Ok :) That was not very clear after reading https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeatureFreeze
[19:40] <micahg> dupondje: Feature Freeze != Milestone freeze
[19:41] <stgraber> right, milestone freeze is completely different from feature freeze
[19:41] <stgraber> and is also valid for alpha releases way before we get into feature freeze
[19:42] <micahg> dupondje: you mention that you don't like the dev cycle since the whole cycle isn't available to do syncs/merges, how do you propose that the distro stabilize for a release?
[19:42] <dupondje> milestone freeze is announced on the devel-announce, so I keep an eye on that
[19:42] <barry> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MilestoneProcess
[19:43] <dupondje> micahg: I think the way debian does it is a nice option
[19:43] <micahg> dupondje: Debian freezes for 6 months :)
[19:43] <bdrung> (or more)
[19:43] <dupondje> true, but advanced users can use the devel version (aka testing)
[19:44] <bdrung> advanced users are not the main target of ubuntu
[19:44] <micahg> testing (which is the next release) is what's frozen for months on end
[19:46] <dupondje> well yea, but there should be a 'rolling version', where everything gets in after some testing
[19:46] <micahg> dupondje: well, we do have the option for backports if we ever start opening that post feature freeze for things that qualify
[19:46] <dupondje> but its indeed not the focus of ubuntu. Which isn't a problem ofcourse :)
[19:47] <bdrung> dupondje: our 'rolling version' is currently called 'quantal' ;)
[19:48] <dupondje> thats what i'm using atm :)
[19:48] <dupondje> with almost no issues in fact
[19:49] <dupondje> Its nice to see new stuff gets added, and everything is moving. But near to the release its getting a bit 'boring' :)
[19:50] <dupondje> maby the next version should be started before the release of the next version (so it overlaps a bit)
[19:50] <dupondje> cause now its perferred to do syncs/merges in the early dev stage :)
[19:51] <dupondje> But a perfect solutions for everybody is indeed not possible :)
[19:51] <micahg> dupondje: you do realize the intent of new uploads is to provide the best user experience, not be not-boring, right?
[19:52] <dupondje> Its ofcourse most important that the release version is stable and gives a good user experience
[19:52] <dupondje> but I also think some people prefer bleeding edge :)
[19:55] <bdrung> dupondje: would it make sense to upload audacity 2.0.2 RC1 to quantal?
[19:57] <dupondje> I think its preferred to stay in sync with debian, also better stay with stable releases (no beta/rc) if there is not a good reason
[19:59] <micahg> xnox: did you have a quesiton?
[19:59] <bdrung> dupondje: imagine that i upload audacity 2.0.2 RC1 to debian. should i do the sync?
[19:59] <bdrung> dupondje: which are good reasons to upload beta/rc packages?
[20:01] <dupondje> If the release of the stable version is soon (before ff), and if it fixes quite soms bugs :)
[20:01]  * bdrung nods.
[20:02] <bdrung> xnox: you can ask your question now.
[20:02] <micahg> well, RCs could also be useful if the final version is after feature freeze, but the upstream release is feature frozen and they keep to their timetables well enough to ensure a release before final freeze
[20:03] <dupondje> alot of projects doesn't have a strict timetable tho :)
[20:04] <bdrung> dupondje: they can be judged by their previous releases.
[20:04] <micahg> see why we have Xfce 4.8 in precise :)
[20:06]  * dupondje is still using gnome-shell
[20:06] <dupondje> feeling quite alone these days :)
[20:08] <micahg> #voters barry tumbleweed Laney cody-somerville micahg stgraber bdrung
[20:08] <meetingology> Current voters: Laney barry bdrung cody-somerville micahg stgraber tumbleweed
[20:08] <micahg> #vote Grant MOTU upload rights to dupondje
[20:08] <meetingology> Please vote on: Grant MOTU upload rights to dupondje
[20:08] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)
[20:08] <bdrung> +1
[20:08] <meetingology> +1 received from bdrung
[20:09] <dupondje> and if I doubt on something, i'll stalk you guys in #ubuntu-motu :)
[20:09] <stgraber> -1 [ I appreciate the technical skills and I'm not worried about that side of things. But I want to see more knowledge about the ubuntu release process before giving a +1 ]
[20:09] <meetingology> -1 [ I appreciate the technical skills and I'm not worried about that side of things. But I want to see more knowledge about the ubuntu release process before giving a +1 ] received from stgraber
[20:09] <dupondje> np
[20:10] <barry> +0 [ for similar reasons ]
[20:10] <meetingology> +0 [ for similar reasons ] received from barry
[20:10] <micahg> +0 what stgraber said
[20:10] <meetingology> +0 what stgraber said received from micahg
[20:12] <tumbleweed> +0 [ I a also would like to see more knowledge of the release processes ]
[20:12] <meetingology> +0 [ I a also would like to see more knowledge of the release processes ] received from tumbleweed
[20:12] <micahg> #endvote
[20:12] <meetingology> Voting ended on: Grant MOTU upload rights to dupondje
[20:12] <meetingology> Votes for:1 Votes against:1 Abstentions:3
[20:12] <meetingology> Deadlock, casting vote may be used
[20:14] <bdrung> with the two remaining members +4 can't be reached any more.
[20:14] <micahg> dupondje: sorry that we weren't able to grant this today, but please come back in a few months, you've done good work
[20:14] <dupondje> ok np
[20:15] <bdrung> dupondje: btw, it's good to see a good collaboration with debian
[20:15] <dupondje> I keep it up :) and will read some more about the release process. Also I keep subscribed to the deval-announce :)
[20:15] <bdrung> *devel-announce ;)
[20:15] <dupondje> well yea :)
[20:16] <tumbleweed> given the feature freeze coming up, there's lots of opportunity to see the process in action :)
[20:16] <dupondje> bdrung: keeping the delta 0 is gives us less work :)
[20:16] <bdrung> dupondje: i totally agree
[20:16] <dupondje> and the debian guys are also happy their bugs gets fixed :)
[20:17] <dupondje> and fixing the things in upstream (not debian, but the devel itself) is even better :)
[20:18] <micahg> ok, moving on
[20:18] <micahg> #topic what to do when uploaders no longer have the CoC signed
[20:18] <micahg> so, as stgraber said, there seems to be only one course of action once they've been notified and given a chance to correct this, remove their upload rights until the sign the CoC
[20:19]  * bdrung agrees
[20:19] <tumbleweed> as scott isn't using his upload rights, we also have the option of just ignoring it
[20:19] <stgraber> +1
[20:20] <stgraber> well, as he's not using it anyway, we might as well remove it :)
[20:20] <tumbleweed> quite
[20:20]  * xnox will poke ev to poke scott about it =)
[20:20] <micahg> ok, I think we can dispense with the formal vote here
[20:20]  * xnox just as another thing to make fun of =)
[20:21] <tumbleweed> stgraber: have we dealt with all the inconsistencies that your report picked up?
[20:21] <stgraber> tumbleweed: all but the langpack team
[20:22] <stgraber> oh and I still need to cleanup coredev/motu duplicate package set rights
[20:22] <micahg> #action remove scott from ubuntu-core-dev until he signs the CoC
[20:22] <meetingology> ACTION: remove scott from ubuntu-core-dev until he signs the CoC
[20:22] <tumbleweed> do I need to roll any of this into the membership check e-mail?
[20:22] <micahg> #action stgraber to clean up coredev/motu duplicate package set rights
[20:22] <meetingology> ACTION: stgraber to clean up coredev/motu duplicate package set rights
[20:23] <micahg> #topic aob
[20:23] <stgraber> tumbleweed: I don't think so, I can check from time to time but it shouldn't get any worse as long as we don't screw up ;)
[20:24] <stgraber> it's really the historic stuff that's a bit of a mess, I think that all additions have been sane
[20:24] <micahg> yeah, as long as we see who's expired, we just need to follow up on that
[20:24] <tumbleweed> well, that's the main purpose of the weekly e-mail
[20:26] <micahg> I think that's a wrap then
[20:26] <tumbleweed> do we want to discuss scrapping any packagesets?
[20:26] <micahg> tumbleweed: oh, we could I guess
[20:26] <tumbleweed> I suppose the thing to do here is contact uploaders of packagesets that we don't think are used
[20:27] <micahg> sounds good, want an action?
[20:27] <tumbleweed> sure, I'll take it (pity Laney isn't here)
[20:27] <micahg> tumbleweed: we have the option to voluntold :)
[20:28] <tumbleweed> let's try that first. he seemed keenest
[20:28] <micahg> #action laney (tumbleweed) to contact the uploaders of unused packagesets
[20:28] <meetingology> ACTION: laney (tumbleweed) to contact the uploaders of unused packagesets
[20:29] <tumbleweed> ok, i've had enough of this meeting, and want to go to bed
[20:29] <micahg> #action next chair: cody-somerville (laney)
[20:29] <meetingology> ACTION: next chair: cody-somerville (laney)
[20:29] <micahg> #endmeeting
[20:29] <meetingology> Meeting ended Mon Aug 13 20:29:55 2012 UTC.
[20:29] <meetingology> Minutes (wiki):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-08-13-19.09.moin.txt
[20:29] <meetingology> Minutes (html):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-08-13-19.09.html
[20:30] <barry> micahg: thanks!
[20:30] <micahg> thanks for coming everyone
[20:30] <stgraber> tumbleweed: good night!
[20:30] <stgraber> micahg: thanks!
[20:30] <micahg> night tumbleweed
[20:33] <tumbleweed> thanks :)
[20:34] <tumbleweed> still recovering from flu. after a day at work, I'm totally exhausted and not much use any more :/
[20:35] <bdrung> tumbleweed: get well soon! hopefully the flu cannot spread via IP ;)
[20:36] <micahg> IP bird flu :) http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc1149
[20:37] <bdrung> :D
[20:40] <xnox> 878507