| Squirm | morning | 05:59 |
|---|---|---|
| * Kilos greets those not just lurking | 06:57 | |
| * jrgns greets back | 07:26 | |
| superfly | hi all | 07:45 |
| Kilos | hi superfly psydroid jrgns | 07:45 |
| jrgns | hey psydroid | 07:46 |
| psydroid | hi Kilos superfly and jrgns | 07:47 |
| Kilos | hi tonberry352_ | 08:21 |
| Kilos | hi sakhi | 08:21 |
| tonberry352_ | hello | 08:21 |
| Kilos | hmm sflr has been on holiday so we might see him here again soon | 08:46 |
| Kilos | superfly, can you mail me the pricing structure or whatever for them airtime machines please | 09:01 |
| Kilos | ian will propose they get for the business once he has the facts | 09:02 |
| tonberry352_ | anyone who knows how to transparently proxy ssl? | 09:07 |
| tonberry352_ | or rather how to transparently proxy arbitrary ports | 09:09 |
| tonberry352_ | short of hacking something together with pcap... | 09:17 |
| superfly | Kilos: I'll ask our sales lady to mail you. | 09:37 |
| Kilos | ty superfly with all costs etc too please | 09:38 |
| superfly | yup, she'll mail you all the info | 09:39 |
| Kilos | dnake | 09:39 |
| Kilos | danke too | 09:40 |
| SilverCode | morning | 09:50 |
| Kilos | hi SilverCode | 09:50 |
| Symmetria | *hrm* can someone remind me of the vi search and replace syntax to only change the next 10 instances of something | 10:17 |
| === Trix[a]r_za is now known as Trixar_za | ||
| Kilos | bbl | 10:41 |
| magespawn | Maaz tell Kilos will do as soon as I get back to my shop | 10:46 |
| Maaz | magespawn: Got it, I'll tell Kilos on freenode | 10:46 |
| magespawn | afternoon all. | 10:51 |
| Squirm | in bash, I want to take an integer, 04 and subtract 1 from this to get an answer of 03, but it gives me an answer of 3 | 10:55 |
| Trixar_za | Hmmm, sounds familiar and there is a trick to it | 10:56 |
| Squirm | my number range is 01-49, so it'd have to work | 10:56 |
| Trixar_za | Right | 10:57 |
| Trixar_za | seq using -w | 10:57 |
| Trixar_za | It pads the zeroes | 10:57 |
| Trixar_za | http://jonathanwagner.net/2007/04/zero-padding-in-bash/ | 10:57 |
| Trixar_za | How to make that useful I don't know :P | 10:57 |
| Squirm | like | 10:57 |
| Squirm | to create the files I use a for loop | 10:58 |
| Squirm | for x in {01..49}; | 10:58 |
| Trixar_za | Yeah, you can probably use seq to do that for you | 10:58 |
| Squirm | so just fyi | 10:59 |
| Squirm | .:@Filbert:. # printf '%02d\n' $((04-1)); printf '%02d\n' $((21-1)) | 10:59 |
| Squirm | .:@Filbert:. 03 | 10:59 |
| Squirm | .:@Filbert:. 20 | 10:59 |
| Squirm | bbl, lunch time | 11:00 |
| Kilos | sjoe now i done it | 11:27 |
| Kilos | installed ubuntu tweak and when i rebooted desktop came back as 640x480 and cant find where to set it back again | 11:28 |
| Kilos | oh and nvidia-current and tried to set up nvidia | 11:28 |
| Kilos | unity is a very trying release | 11:29 |
| Kilos | back on 11.04 till i cool down | 11:30 |
| Kilos | hiya maiatoday | 11:36 |
| maiatoday | hi Kilos | 11:36 |
| magespawn | hey Kilos | 11:49 |
| Kilos | hi there magespawn , you well? | 11:49 |
| magespawn | yes and you? | 11:49 |
| Kilos | im getting really angry with 12.04 | 11:50 |
| Kilos | hehe | 11:50 |
| magespawn | does take a bit of getting used to. | 11:50 |
| Kilos | no the OS isnt bad but getting nm to work with modem is like impossible | 11:51 |
| Kilos | and trying to get that going has made me install other stuff that shrank desktop to 640x480 | 11:53 |
| Kilos | and cant find seetings to fix again | 11:53 |
| Kilos | so i resting on 11.04 | 11:53 |
| magespawn | cool but never give up | 11:58 |
| Kilos | ha ha ha | 11:58 |
| magespawn | got to go concentrate on other stuff bbl | 12:05 |
| === Trixar_za is now known as Trix[a]r_za | ||
| smile | Hallo :) | 13:21 |
| Kilos | hi smile | 14:20 |
| smile | hi Kilos :D | 14:27 |
| smile | Kilos: i was practising the auto theory to get a learners license | 14:28 |
| smile | :p | 14:28 |
| Kilos | goood | 14:35 |
| Symmetria | woot | 14:53 |
| Symmetria | I ordered my new machine, it arrives tomorrow | 14:53 |
| Symmetria | 64gigs of ram ftw :p | 14:53 |
| Pankreas | Hi people | 14:59 |
| Kilos | hi Pankreas | 15:05 |
| Pankreas | and the is life... lol. | 15:05 |
| Pankreas | Hi Kilos How are you today? | 15:05 |
| Kilos | good ty young man and you? | 15:06 |
| Pankreas | Hectic day, sadly not over, still something to sort out with the ex... and then maybe I can install Ubuntu. Otherwise Good. | 15:07 |
| Kilos | whew | 15:08 |
| Kilos | ubuntu install goes quich | 15:08 |
| Kilos | 20-25 mins | 15:08 |
| Kilos | then longer for updating | 15:08 |
| Kilos | quick | 15:08 |
| Pankreas | Wow, Nice, I still have to make space, or partition my 500G hard drive... alot of stuff I don't want to lose. | 15:09 |
| Kilos | just remember once installed, go to the dash top left and type in ter | 15:09 |
| Kilos | then you get a terminal | 15:09 |
| Kilos | or ctrl+ alt +t | 15:10 |
| Kilos | then type in sudo apt-get update | 15:10 |
| Kilos | once done type in sudo apt-get upgrade | 15:10 |
| nuvolari | lol | 15:10 |
| === nuvolari is now known as liver | ||
| Kilos | hi nuvolari | 15:10 |
| liver | hi oom Kilos | 15:10 |
| Kilos | why? | 15:11 |
| liver | hi Pankreas | 15:11 |
| Kilos | why you went liver | 15:11 |
| Kilos | lolol | 15:11 |
| Kilos | sorroy | 15:11 |
| Pankreas | lol, hi liver , nice to see a known face. | 15:11 |
| Kilos | sorry im slow | 15:11 |
| liver | Kilos: forming part of a body with Pankreas here | 15:11 |
| liver | meh, I think it's time to go home | 15:12 |
| liver | now now | 15:12 |
| Kilos | ya | 15:12 |
| Pankreas | bit by bit... | 15:12 |
| Pankreas | Copy and pasting your instructions Kilos , ty. | 15:12 |
| Kilos | good lad | 15:12 |
| Kilos | then you have an up to date ubuntu | 15:13 |
| Pankreas | I do try. lol | 15:13 |
| Kilos | then you can go look in software centre for programs you might need | 15:13 |
| Pankreas | Nice, One of those where, you start the update and go to bed. | 15:13 |
| Kilos | or sudo apt-get install aptitude xchat | 15:14 |
| Kilos | no man | 15:14 |
| Kilos | how fast is your connection | 15:14 |
| Pankreas | Just another question, will ubuntu pick up my internet dongle? or should I have my settings ready? | 15:14 |
| Kilos | top right of the screen is a little tower | 15:14 |
| Kilos | click on that and you should see vpn | 15:15 |
| Kilos | vpn configure | 15:15 |
| Kilos | you set up in there wireless wired mobile broadband etc | 15:15 |
| Pankreas | That is a good question, not broadband, but I have downloaded stuff with moments over 3meg... not an answer, I know. | 15:15 |
| Pankreas | Right. Ty you. | 15:16 |
| Kilos | yw | 15:16 |
| Kilos | i go put sheep away quick | 15:16 |
| Pankreas | I am not going to ask | 15:16 |
| Pankreas | lol | 15:17 |
| Kilos | if connection not bad you should finish upgrade in 30 mins or less | 15:19 |
| Kilos | im onna plot with sheep | 15:19 |
| Pankreas | Really. nice one | 15:20 |
| Pankreas | And sheep would be software... | 15:20 |
| Kilos | no man chops on 4 legs | 15:21 |
| Kilos | dont forget to do the xchat install | 15:21 |
| Kilos | then you set it to come here | 15:22 |
| Pankreas | Right, I'm gonna go smoke, and the normal stuff you buy in your normal shop.. lol. Brb. Will do Kilos , Thanks again. | 15:22 |
| Kilos | just tick freenode then edit and add #ubuntu-za as favourite channel | 15:22 |
| Kilos | cool | 15:23 |
| Pankreas | Tx | 15:30 |
| Pankreas | Good night Kilos, chat if I get to the installing, otherwise tomorrow night then. | 15:57 |
| Kilos | good Pankreas i should be here | 15:57 |
| Kilos | good luck | 15:57 |
| Kilos | just get xchat installed and connected and we can help you with most things | 15:58 |
| Pankreas | Thank you. | 16:00 |
| Kilos | np | 16:00 |
| magespawn | evening all | 16:38 |
| Kilos | hiyamage | 16:42 |
| Kilos | grrr | 16:42 |
| Kilos | hi magespawn | 16:42 |
| magespawn | hey Kilos | 16:42 |
| magespawn | whats up? | 16:44 |
| charlvn | good evening | 16:59 |
| charlvn | Maaz: coffee on | 16:59 |
| * Maaz starts grinding coffee | 16:59 | |
| magespawn | Maaz coffee | 16:59 |
| Maaz | magespawn: Sorry... | 16:59 |
| magespawn | Maaz coffee please | 16:59 |
| Maaz | magespawn: Alrighty | 17:00 |
| charlvn | he doesn't like it when you don't say please | 17:01 |
| Maaz | Coffee's ready for charlvn and magespawn! | 17:03 |
| charlvn | Maaz: thanks | 17:04 |
| Maaz | charlvn: Sure | 17:04 |
| charlvn | brb | 17:04 |
| Kilos | hi charlvn was eating | 17:15 |
| Kilos | Maaz, coffee on | 17:16 |
| * Maaz starts grinding coffee | 17:16 | |
| Kilos | sorry magespawn i messed up unity | 17:17 |
| Kilos | oh you know that | 17:18 |
| Kilos | is there a way from terminal to change screen sizes | 17:18 |
| magespawn | Maaz botsnack | 17:18 |
| Maaz | Yay, at last someone thinks about me as well | 17:18 |
| magespawn | not that I know of | 17:18 |
| Kilos | lol so weird | 17:19 |
| magespawn | you would need to edit the xserver settings I think. | 17:19 |
| Kilos | imagine your working os at 1024x840 or something down to 640x480 | 17:19 |
| Maaz | Coffee's ready for Kilos! | 17:20 |
| Kilos | half of everything is off screen | 17:20 |
| Kilos | Maaz, ty | 17:20 |
| Maaz | You are welcome Kilos | 17:20 |
| Kilos | haha im not the only one | 17:24 |
| Kilos | http://is.gd/SCjvhC | 17:25 |
| Kilos | nvidia | 17:25 |
| Kilos | magespawn, does this look safe to do | 17:31 |
| Kilos | run xrandr -s 1024x768 | 17:31 |
| Kilos | dont wanna reinstall from scratch again | 17:32 |
| magespawn | busy reading up on that now. | 17:33 |
| Kilos | this sounds better | 17:35 |
| Kilos | In a terminal: sudo gedit /etc/default/grub Search for the line with "quiet spasch", and change it to "quiet splash nomodeset". Save the file. Then sudo update-grub. And reboot your computer. In most of the cases this will help. | 17:35 |
| Kilos | lol | 17:35 |
| magespawn | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1705929 there is this thread too. | 17:36 |
| Kilos | lucky i got min hair so not many more to go gray | 17:36 |
| Kilos | ty i go see | 17:36 |
| magespawn | also the wiki on x here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Config/Resolution#Adding%20undetected%20resolutions | 17:37 |
| magespawn | http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-to-adjust-screen-resolution-on-ubuntu.html I like this blog. | 17:38 |
| Kilos | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Config/Resolution#Adding%20undetected%20resolutions | 17:39 |
| Kilos | that one looks good using xrandr | 17:39 |
| Kilos | ty magespawn now to save this info and boot to 12.04 and do it. morrow methinks | 17:41 |
| Kilos | also been thinking some | 17:41 |
| magespawn | about? | 17:42 |
| Kilos | yes it hurts | 17:42 |
| Kilos | when i install from cd i can get nm working same as on old buntus | 17:42 |
| Kilos | so if i can stop nm and modemmanager from updating then nm should keep working | 17:42 |
| Kilos | after upgrading and reboot nm dont work no more | 17:43 |
| Kilos | the regresive stuff isnt it | 17:43 |
| Kilos | regressive | 17:43 |
| magespawn | theoretically | 17:43 |
| magespawn | or if the do update remove them and reinstall old ones | 17:44 |
| Kilos | there are hundreds of peeps complaining but not much seems to be getting done about it | 17:44 |
| Kilos | tried about 30 workarounds already | 17:44 |
| magespawn | maybe it is not a priority yet | 17:44 |
| Kilos | i dunno how to do that | 17:45 |
| Kilos | one guy even said he isnt prepared to battle like that, going back to windows | 17:45 |
| magespawn | not sure myself Kilos | 17:45 |
| Kilos | internet connection should be top priority | 17:45 |
| magespawn | ahh you get those all the time | 17:46 |
| magespawn | shouled be I agree, that how most ppl get there ubuntu I think. | 17:46 |
| magespawn | their | 17:46 |
| Kilos | im sure half the ubuntu users are on mobile broadband | 17:46 |
| Kilos | tumbleweed, are you very busy? | 17:47 |
| magespawn | there must be away to lock the version of nm. you can with other programs. | 17:47 |
| Kilos | nm and modemmanager methinks | 17:48 |
| magespawn | yup | 17:48 |
| Kilos | i dont understand upgrading something that works kiff | 17:49 |
| Kilos | Maaz, google how to stop network manager and modem manager from upgrading after clean install without updating same time | 17:51 |
| Maaz | Kilos: "NetworkManager - ArchWiki" https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/NetworkManager :: "Windows 7 Clean Installation - ThinkPad T420, T420s, T520, W520 ..." http://support.lenovo.com/?sitestyle=lenovo&lndocid=MIGR-77353 :: "13 surprises from Kubuntu 12.04 - Linux notes from DarkDuck" http://linuxblog.darkduck.com/2012/05/13-surprises-from-kubuntu-1204.html :: "Newest 'network-manager' Questions - Ask Ubuntu" http://askubuntu.com/question | 17:51 |
| magespawn | When ms brought vista and 7 they broke a whole load of modem drivers | 17:51 |
| magespawn | lol | 17:51 |
| Kilos | lol | 17:51 |
| magespawn | love the first reply. | 17:51 |
| Kilos | i installed 7 on a spare drive here and even though it sucks it works | 17:51 |
| Kilos | oh ya gotta fight with nuvolari | 17:52 |
| magespawn | spent 6 hours sorting out a corupt outlook pst file. | 17:52 |
| Kilos | he gave the link to use win7 to change the modems settings then gnome-ppp didnt work | 17:53 |
| magespawn | if windows worked I would not have work lol | 17:53 |
| Kilos | eish, everything in winsucks is corrupt | 17:53 |
| Kilos | lol | 17:54 |
| Kilos | pc shops live off windows pcs | 17:54 |
| magespawn | they have some very strange file restrictions | 17:55 |
| magespawn | I try to get people to use linux when I can | 17:55 |
| Kilos | 7 wouldnt let me install the gigabyte drivers till i turned something right down | 17:56 |
| Kilos | well hear what pankreas says when he gets going | 17:56 |
| Kilos | he sounds clued on winsucks | 17:57 |
| Kilos | Maaz, google how to stop network manager and modem manager from upgrading after clean install without updating same time on 12.04 | 17:58 |
| Maaz | Kilos: "Newest 'network-manager' Questions - Ask Ubuntu" http://askubuntu.com/questions/tagged/network-manager :: "13 surprises from Kubuntu 12.04 - Linux notes from DarkDuck" http://linuxblog.darkduck.com/2012/05/13-surprises-from-kubuntu-1204.html :: "Bug #882817 “shutdown screen stuck after upgrade to Ubuntu 11.10 ..." https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/882817 :: "NetworkManager causes orphaned inodes - Launchpad Bugs" https://bugs.launch | 17:58 |
| Kilos | eish | 17:58 |
| Kilos | cocooncrash, are you still using ubuntu? | 18:00 |
| cocooncrash | Kilos: Of course | 18:00 |
| Kilos | can you give some advice please | 18:00 |
| Kilos | can one stop nm and modemmanager from upgrading on a clean install | 18:01 |
| Kilos | 12.04 nm sucks | 18:01 |
| cocooncrash | You can hold packages to prevent them from being upgraded | 18:01 |
| Kilos | the one on the live cd works kiff | 18:01 |
| charlvn | hi back | 18:02 |
| cocooncrash | But running NM from a different releases is likely to cause issues. | 18:02 |
| charlvn | hi Kilos, cocooncrash | 18:02 |
| Kilos | have you a link for me please | 18:02 |
| cocooncrash | Kilos: Google for "aptitude hold" | 18:02 |
| Kilos | ty cocooncrash | 18:02 |
| Kilos | there we go magespawn | 18:05 |
| Kilos | #aptitude hold package_name | 18:06 |
| smile | bye :) | 18:06 |
| Kilos | will try a clean install without being connected | 18:06 |
| magespawn | cheers smile | 18:06 |
| Kilos | cheers smil | 18:06 |
| Kilos | grr | 18:06 |
| magespawn | ty Kilos and cocooncrash | 18:07 |
| Kilos | i gotta get unity working properly so i can help noobs | 18:07 |
| Kilos | hehe | 18:07 |
| Kilos | and get going for our meet in 7 days time | 18:08 |
| magespawn | do you need to add a sudo before that? | 18:18 |
| Kilos | most likely | 18:18 |
| Kilos | it will say file not found | 18:18 |
| magespawn | bbl fish time. | 18:19 |
| Kilos | k | 18:19 |
| Kilos | magespawn, here is an easier way if you have synaptic installed, one of the first things i did on 12.04 | 18:24 |
| Kilos | http://askubuntu.com/questions/18654/how-to-prevent-updating-of-a-specific-package | 18:24 |
| Kilos | dunno if that will stop aptitude and apt-get as well | 18:24 |
| Kilos | i gona be a geek before i die | 18:25 |
| Kilos | thanks to unity | 18:25 |
| Symmetria | ullo | 18:27 |
| Kilos | i Symmetria | 18:27 |
| Symmetria | <3 cant wait, new machine tomorrow | 18:27 |
| Kilos | fingers tired? | 18:27 |
| Kilos | lol you excited | 18:27 |
| Symmetria | and lol, since Im getting it now while Im here in Bloem, I get to do its setup and all its initial downloads plugged into the university network :P | 18:28 |
| Symmetria | 10gig of bandwidth ftw when installing a machine | 18:28 |
| Kilos | hehe | 18:28 |
| Symmetria | lol we were downloading vlc earlier to test it | 18:29 |
| Symmetria | you click go and its there | 18:29 |
| Kilos | lekker | 18:32 |
| Kilos | i like vlc | 18:33 |
| Kilos | plays anything | 18:33 |
| Symmetria | we're having shit with multicast | 18:33 |
| Symmetria | but I think its a TENET issue | 18:38 |
| Symmetria | and thats a big problem because Im the only one at TENET who ever touched that stuff | 18:38 |
| Symmetria | so I gotta convince them to fix it and listen to me when I tell them how | 18:38 |
| Kilos | go fix | 18:39 |
| Kilos | and send the bill | 18:39 |
| Symmetria | LOL dont have access to fix | 18:39 |
| Symmetria | else I would | 18:39 |
| Kilos | wont they give you access | 18:40 |
| Symmetria | not a chance | 18:40 |
| Kilos | lol | 18:40 |
| Kilos | hack it | 18:40 |
| Kilos | hi psydroid | 18:50 |
| psydroid | hi Kilos | 18:51 |
| Symmetria | heh multicast is such a fun technology | 18:59 |
| Symmetria | when it works its amazing | 18:59 |
| Symmetria | but the implementations of it are chronic and the debugging of it is a nightmare | 18:59 |
| Symmetria | its kinda, the one thing in networking that most network engineers wont go near because if it goes wrong, its a huge pain in the ass to figure out why | 19:00 |
| Kilos | thats why we got you | 19:11 |
| Kilos | magespawn, you back? | 19:16 |
| Kilos | oh no | 19:16 |
| Kilos | liver, haai | 19:16 |
| magespawn | hey Kilos | 19:19 |
| Kilos | that way on synaptic is easy to lock packages | 19:20 |
| Kilos | will maybe try a clean install and lock whats working as it is | 19:20 |
| Kilos | and you can see all dependancies in synaptic and lock them too | 19:21 |
| magespawn | that would work better maybe | 19:22 |
| magespawn | Symmetria: what is multicast? | 19:22 |
| magespawn | just read the wikipeadia on it | 19:27 |
| Kilos | and? | 19:27 |
| magespawn | on multicast | 19:28 |
| Kilos | yes and? | 19:28 |
| Symmetria | heh magespawn mmm | 19:29 |
| Symmetria | multicast basically allows for packet stream duplication | 19:29 |
| Symmetria | so, say you have one guy connected behind a switch who connects to a udp stream, like a video broadcast | 19:29 |
| Symmetria | the next guy behind the switch connects to the same stream | 19:29 |
| magespawn | they way i understand it i can send something once and multiple ip can recieve it, and if set up properly means i do not need to know how many ppl want it | 19:29 |
| Symmetria | instead of the data being pulled twice from source, the switch duplicates it | 19:29 |
| Symmetria | and will duplicate it for each port requesting it | 19:30 |
| Symmetria | and it works like a giant tree | 19:30 |
| magespawn | does the switch control it? | 19:30 |
| Symmetria | so, if the router at the edge of a university campus for example is getting the stream because someone in the university is requesting it | 19:30 |
| Symmetria | then if someone else in the university requests it, so long as its passing through the same router, the router will still only be getting it once | 19:30 |
| Symmetria | it duplicates at the point it needs to split | 19:30 |
| Symmetria | automagically | 19:30 |
| magespawn | does the router/switch control it? | 19:31 |
| Symmetria | magespawn well, depends how you define control | 19:31 |
| magespawn | the duplication happens at the switch? | 19:32 |
| Symmetria | client sends an IGMP message, switch receives IGMP message, if switch has stream, it starts sending to that port, if it doesnt, it issues a join to its upstream, if upstream has it, it starts sending to switch, if it doesnt, it sends a join etc | 19:32 |
| Symmetria | the duplication happens at the first point where its "necessary" to duplicate it | 19:32 |
| Symmetria | umm ok, imagine this | 19:32 |
| magespawn | i see. | 19:32 |
| Symmetria | you have a router at the edge of a campus | 19:32 |
| Symmetria | off that router you have 2 switches | 19:33 |
| Symmetria | and off each of those switches, you have 2 more switches | 19:33 |
| Symmetria | so you have 6 switches in total and the router | 19:33 |
| Symmetria | now, person on switch 1 requests a multicast stream, it sends it to switch 2, which sends it to router, which goes and gets it from the isp | 19:33 |
| Symmetria | person on switch 3 then requests, and if switch 3 is behind switch 2, switch 2 starts duplicating | 19:33 |
| Symmetria | if switch 3 is directly connected to the router, the router starts duplicating | 19:34 |
| Symmetria | it basically grows like a giant tree | 19:34 |
| magespawn | right got it | 19:34 |
| magespawn | do you set multicast in the router/switch or is it automatic? | 19:35 |
| Symmetria | heh, you have to setup igmp on the end point switches | 19:36 |
| Symmetria | and then you have to route the multicast using a protocol called PIM | 19:36 |
| Symmetria | and then if you wanna do it wider than that, you start getting into multicast bgp and msdp | 19:36 |
| Symmetria | (msdp = multicast session distribution protocol) | 19:36 |
| Symmetria | though some people prefer whats called SSM (Source specific multicast), which is another protocol, mroe designed for v6 though | 19:36 |
| magespawn | going to do some reading | 19:37 |
| Symmetria | multicast is very commonly used on big lan networks and things like university campuses | 19:38 |
| Symmetria | what is NOT common is using it across the internet | 19:38 |
| Symmetria | that is pretty much the domain of academia :) | 19:38 |
| Symmetria | heard of something called ghost? | 19:38 |
| magespawn | no | 19:38 |
| Symmetria | ghost is an application for imaging machines | 19:38 |
| Symmetria | it can work via multicast | 19:38 |
| Symmetria | you can basically setup a "server" that transmits out a machine image | 19:39 |
| Symmetria | all the clients join it and receive the image similtaneously | 19:39 |
| Symmetria | so you can image 200 machines at full line rate network speed while only trasmitting from one server | 19:39 |
| magespawn | nice if you run thin clients | 19:39 |
| Symmetria | magespawn heh, the universities often run thick clients and still use it | 19:40 |
| Symmetria | because many universities insist on reimaging every machine in the labs at night in order to clean out bullshit and to stop people storing crap on them | 19:40 |
| Symmetria | everything on the machine is local, office, windows, the whole thing, its a fully installed machine | 19:40 |
| Symmetria | but tjhey multicast out like an 8 gig image once every night and reset everything using that image | 19:41 |
| magespawn | cool | 19:41 |
| Symmetria | heh kinda kills off virus infections as well | 19:42 |
| Symmetria | if you get a virus infectino running through your labs, just reimage em all at the same time | 19:42 |
| Symmetria | end of virus :p | 19:42 |
| magespawn | would also be the way to run a computer lab at a schoolor college | 19:42 |
| Symmetria | yeah machine imaging is awesomeness :) | 19:44 |
| Symmetria | but I dont know that I'd try it on cheap unmanaged switches :) | 19:44 |
| Symmetria | chances are they would broadcast it rather than multicast it :p | 19:44 |
| magespawn | how does that work with ms liscence? | 19:45 |
| Symmetria | heh I'd have to find out how the university handles that but they have some or other volume license agreement that lets it work | 19:45 |
| Symmetria | basically I think its a volume key | 19:45 |
| Symmetria | that allows a ton of machines to work on the same key | 19:45 |
| magespawn | that would work | 19:45 |
| Symmetria | you should also be able to push out linux images in the same way | 19:46 |
| magespawn | never played with a managed switch before | 19:46 |
| Symmetria | heh there are managed switches and managed switches :) lol, they vary rather vastly in what they can do | 19:46 |
| Symmetria | especially if you look at the difference between an L3 and an L2 switch | 19:47 |
| Symmetria | personally my switch of choice is either a 24 port or a 48 port juniper ex series | 19:47 |
| Symmetria | ex 2200 if I want straight layer 2 with extremely basic layer 3 | 19:47 |
| Symmetria | or ex 4200 if I want the whole bang | 19:47 |
| magespawn | cost? | 19:47 |
| Symmetria | ex 2200 will set you back anywhere from 10 to 20 thousand dependant on the discounts you get, where you buy it and the volumes you buy em in :) | 19:48 |
| Symmetria | a ex4200 will cost you double that, but an ex4200 has 10gig uplinks on it as well | 19:48 |
| magespawn | think I will have to wait on that awhile then | 19:48 |
| Symmetria | you can get a ex2200 with 24 PoE+ ports for around 15 odd | 19:48 |
| Symmetria | and PoE+ ftw :) | 19:49 |
| Symmetria | lol, you can get a 48 port PoE+ version as well, lol, complete with its 900 watt PSU to drive it :p | 19:49 |
| Kilos | magespawn, you gonna have to raid some varsities | 19:49 |
| magespawn | yup or go work them | 19:50 |
| magespawn | or banks | 19:50 |
| Symmetria | heh I love PoE though, plug something in with an ethernet cable and forget about having to find power for it elsewhere | 19:50 |
| magespawn | works well for ip cameras | 19:50 |
| Symmetria | and voip phones | 19:50 |
| Symmetria | and I've even seen the odd notebook that can power off PoE :p | 19:51 |
| Symmetria | apple should do that on their macbooks, make them capable of charging via poe | 19:51 |
| magespawn | ethernet to usb adapter for tablets | 19:52 |
| magespawn | that would be keen | 19:52 |
| magespawn | if the tablet can get power that way | 19:52 |
| magespawn | i am out for tonight, good night all | 19:54 |
| Kilos | nigfht magespawn | 19:55 |
| Kilos | sleep tight | 19:55 |
| Kilos | night as well | 19:55 |
| magespawn | lol night Kilos | 19:55 |
| Symmetria | gnight dude | 19:55 |
| Kilos | hehe | 19:55 |
| Kilos | Maaz, define dude | 19:56 |
| Maaz | Kilos: Dude \Dude\, n. A kind of dandy; especially, one characterized by an ultrafashionable style of dress and other affectations. [Recent] [1913 Webster] The social dude who affects English dress and English drawl. --The American. [1913 Webster], dude n 1: an informal form of address for a man; "Say, fellow, what are you doing?"; "Hey buster, what's up?" [syn: {fellow}, {dude}, {buster}] 2: a man who is | 19:56 |
| Kilos | hehe | 19:57 |
| Kilos | night all. sleep tight | 20:13 |
| superfly | hello | 20:28 |
| Symmetria | The shootings at the cinema in Denver have ruined the Batman film for me. | 20:32 |
| Symmetria | All I can see in my pirate copy is the audience running about. | 20:32 |
| Kerbero | ai :( | 20:33 |
| Kerbero | where did you get a camrip of that specific screening anyway? | 20:33 |
| Symmetria | hahahahaha it was a joke | 20:35 |
| Symmetria | :p | 20:35 |
| Kerbero | hahaha | 20:36 |
| Kerbero | well one never knows what is available | 20:36 |
| Kerbero | anyway | 20:36 |
| Kerbero | Symmetria: any idea how to transparent proxy https? | 20:37 |
| Symmetria | kerbero never done so | 20:37 |
| Kerbero | ok | 20:37 |
| Kerbero | then it is likely impossible | 20:37 |
| Kerbero | :P | 20:37 |
| Symmetria | heh, if I recall some firewalls and cisco devices have shit that can do the redirection correctly but Ive never tried it at all | 20:38 |
| Symmetria | but since most of the web these days isnt really cacheable | 20:39 |
| Symmetria | and your proxy hit rates are generally < 10% in normal environments | 20:39 |
| Symmetria | whats the point :) | 20:39 |
| Kerbero | yeah | 20:39 |
| Kerbero | but universities... | 20:39 |
| Symmetria | heh, secret for you about most universities and their caches | 20:40 |
| Kerbero | they sometimes still forces their users to use proxy servers | 20:40 |
| Symmetria | most of them have caching disabled :p | 20:40 |
| Kerbero | yes | 20:40 |
| Symmetria | they use them as authentication devices and as control devices | 20:40 |
| Kerbero | i don't care about caching | 20:40 |
| Symmetria | but they dont actually write anything to disk | 20:40 |
| Kerbero | exactly @ authentication | 20:40 |
| Symmetria | heh if you're referring to stellenbosch? god only knows why they do what they do :) | 20:40 |
| Symmetria | UFS uses a PAC file for proxy redirection | 20:40 |
| Kerbero | to give "free" internet to postgraduate students in the faculties that pays for it | 20:41 |
| Kerbero | we still have a pac fiel for normal internet too though, but no one uses it | 20:41 |
| Symmetria | heh, UFS's pac file works fairly well | 20:42 |
| Symmetria | we were rather worried it would break with the v6 rollout | 20:42 |
| Symmetria | but it didnt | 20:42 |
| Kerbero | i'm looking for a way to get routed internet via the "free" proxy | 20:42 |
| Kerbero | nice | 20:42 |
| Symmetria | heh no idea, I dont know their setup well enough, other than to know its broken by design | 20:42 |
| Symmetria | because university billing students for bandwidth is broken by design | 20:43 |
| Symmetria | :p | 20:43 |
| Kerbero | lol | 20:43 |
| Kerbero | indeed | 20:43 |
| Symmetria | anyway dude, Im off to sleep | 20:43 |
| Symmetria | gnight :) | 20:43 |
| Kerbero | night symm | 20:43 |
| zeref | sigh, keep getting seg faults for gnome-shell | 21:06 |
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| Squirm | http://synergy-foss.org/ | 22:54 |
| Squirm | interesting | 22:54 |
| zeref | hmmm, how do you tell if a problem is related to the kernal or nvidia? | 23:33 |
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