[05:59] <Squirm> morning
[06:57]  * Kilos greets those not just lurking
[07:26]  * jrgns greets back
[07:45] <superfly> hi all
[07:45] <Kilos> hi superfly psydroid jrgns 
[07:46] <jrgns> hey psydroid
[07:47] <psydroid> hi Kilos superfly and jrgns
[08:21] <Kilos> hi tonberry352_ 
[08:21] <Kilos> hi sakhi 
[08:21] <tonberry352_> hello
[08:46] <Kilos> hmm sflr has been on holiday so we might see him here again soon
[09:01] <Kilos> superfly, can you mail me the pricing structure or whatever for them airtime machines please
[09:02] <Kilos> ian will propose they get for the business once he has the facts
[09:07] <tonberry352_> anyone who knows how to transparently proxy ssl?
[09:09] <tonberry352_> or rather how to transparently proxy arbitrary ports
[09:17] <tonberry352_> short of hacking something together with pcap...
[09:37] <superfly> Kilos: I'll ask our sales lady to mail you.
[09:38] <Kilos> ty superfly with all costs etc too please
[09:39] <superfly> yup, she'll mail you all the info
[09:39] <Kilos> dnake
[09:40] <Kilos> danke too
[09:50] <SilverCode> morning
[09:50] <Kilos> hi SilverCode 
[10:17] <Symmetria> *hrm* can someone remind me of the vi search and replace syntax to only change the next 10 instances of something
[10:41] <Kilos> bbl
[10:46] <magespawn> Maaz tell Kilos will do as soon as I get back to my shop
[10:46] <Maaz> magespawn: Got it, I'll tell Kilos on freenode
[10:51] <magespawn> afternoon all.
[10:55] <Squirm> in bash, I want to take an integer, 04 and subtract 1 from this to get an answer of 03, but it gives me an answer of 3
[10:56] <Trixar_za> Hmmm, sounds familiar and there is a trick to it
[10:56] <Squirm> my number range is 01-49, so it'd have to work
[10:57] <Trixar_za> Right
[10:57] <Trixar_za> seq using -w
[10:57] <Trixar_za> It pads the zeroes
[10:57] <Trixar_za> http://jonathanwagner.net/2007/04/zero-padding-in-bash/
[10:57] <Trixar_za> How to make that useful I don't know :P
[10:57] <Squirm> like
[10:58] <Squirm> to create the files I use a for loop
[10:58] <Squirm> for x in {01..49};
[10:58] <Trixar_za> Yeah, you can probably use seq to do that for you
[10:59] <Squirm> so just fyi
[10:59] <Squirm> .:@Filbert:. # printf '%02d\n' $((04-1)); printf '%02d\n' $((21-1))
[10:59] <Squirm> .:@Filbert:. 03
[10:59] <Squirm> .:@Filbert:. 20
[11:00] <Squirm> bbl, lunch time
[11:27] <Kilos> sjoe now i done it
[11:28] <Kilos> installed ubuntu tweak and when i rebooted desktop came back as 640x480 and cant find where to set it back again
[11:28] <Kilos> oh and nvidia-current and tried to set up nvidia
[11:29] <Kilos> unity is a very trying release
[11:30] <Kilos> back on 11.04 till i cool down
[11:36] <Kilos> hiya maiatoday 
[11:36] <maiatoday> hi Kilos
[11:49] <magespawn> hey Kilos
[11:49] <Kilos> hi there magespawn , you well?
[11:49] <magespawn> yes and you?
[11:50] <Kilos> im getting really angry with 12.04
[11:50] <Kilos> hehe
[11:50] <magespawn> does take a bit of getting used to.
[11:51] <Kilos> no the OS isnt bad but getting nm to work with modem is like impossible
[11:53] <Kilos> and trying to get that going has made me install other stuff that shrank desktop to 640x480
[11:53] <Kilos> and cant find seetings to fix again
[11:53] <Kilos> so i resting on 11.04
[11:58] <magespawn> cool but never give up
[11:58] <Kilos> ha ha ha
[12:05] <magespawn> got to go concentrate on other stuff bbl
[13:21] <smile> Hallo :)
[14:20] <Kilos> hi smile 
[14:27] <smile> hi Kilos :D
[14:28] <smile> Kilos: i was practising the auto theory to get a learners license
[14:28] <smile> :p
[14:35] <Kilos> goood
[14:53] <Symmetria> woot
[14:53] <Symmetria> I ordered my new machine, it arrives tomorrow
[14:53] <Symmetria> 64gigs of ram ftw :p
[14:59] <Pankreas> Hi people
[15:05] <Kilos> hi Pankreas 
[15:05] <Pankreas> and the is life... lol.
[15:05] <Pankreas> Hi Kilos How are you today?
[15:06] <Kilos> good ty young man and you?
[15:07] <Pankreas> Hectic day, sadly not over, still something to sort out with the ex... and then maybe I can install Ubuntu. Otherwise Good.
[15:08] <Kilos> whew
[15:08] <Kilos> ubuntu install goes quich
[15:08] <Kilos> 20-25 mins
[15:08] <Kilos> then longer for updating
[15:08] <Kilos> quick
[15:09] <Pankreas> Wow, Nice, I still have to make space, or partition my 500G hard drive... alot of stuff I don't want to lose.
[15:09] <Kilos> just remember once installed, go to the dash top left and type in ter
[15:09] <Kilos> then you get a terminal
[15:10] <Kilos> or ctrl+ alt +t
[15:10] <Kilos> then type in sudo apt-get update
[15:10] <Kilos> once done type in sudo apt-get upgrade
[15:10] <nuvolari> lol
[15:10] <Kilos> hi nuvolari 
[15:10] <liver> hi oom Kilos 
[15:11] <Kilos> why?
[15:11] <liver> hi Pankreas 
[15:11] <Kilos> why you went liver
[15:11] <Kilos> lolol
[15:11] <Kilos> sorroy
[15:11] <Pankreas> lol, hi liver , nice to see a known face.
[15:11] <Kilos> sorry im slow
[15:11] <liver> Kilos: forming part of a body with Pankreas here
[15:12] <liver> meh, I think it's time to go home
[15:12] <liver> now now
[15:12] <Kilos> ya
[15:12] <Pankreas> bit by bit...
[15:12] <Pankreas> Copy and pasting your instructions Kilos , ty.
[15:12] <Kilos> good lad
[15:13] <Kilos> then you have an up to date ubuntu
[15:13] <Pankreas> I do try. lol
[15:13] <Kilos> then you can go look in software centre for programs you might need
[15:13] <Pankreas> Nice, One of those where, you start the update and go to bed.
[15:14] <Kilos> or sudo apt-get install aptitude xchat
[15:14] <Kilos> no man
[15:14] <Kilos> how fast is your connection
[15:14] <Pankreas> Just another question, will ubuntu pick up my internet dongle? or should I have my settings ready?
[15:14] <Kilos> top right of the screen is a little tower
[15:15] <Kilos> click on that and you should see vpn
[15:15] <Kilos> vpn configure
[15:15] <Kilos> you set up in there wireless wired mobile broadband  etc
[15:15] <Pankreas> That is a good question, not broadband, but I have downloaded stuff with moments over 3meg... not an answer, I know.
[15:16] <Pankreas> Right. Ty you.
[15:16] <Kilos> yw
[15:16] <Kilos> i go put sheep away quick
[15:16] <Pankreas> I am not going to ask
[15:17] <Pankreas> lol
[15:19] <Kilos> if connection not bad you should finish upgrade in 30 mins or less
[15:19] <Kilos> im onna plot with sheep
[15:20] <Pankreas> Really. nice one
[15:20] <Pankreas> And sheep would be software...
[15:21] <Kilos> no man chops on 4 legs
[15:21] <Kilos> dont forget to do the xchat install
[15:22] <Kilos> then you set it to come here
[15:22] <Pankreas> Right, I'm gonna go smoke, and the normal stuff you buy in your normal shop.. lol. Brb. Will do Kilos , Thanks again.
[15:22] <Kilos> just tick freenode then edit and add #ubuntu-za as favourite channel
[15:23] <Kilos> cool
[15:30] <Pankreas> Tx
[15:57] <Pankreas> Good night Kilos, chat if I get to the installing, otherwise tomorrow night then.
[15:57] <Kilos> good Pankreas i should be here
[15:57] <Kilos> good luck
[15:58] <Kilos> just get xchat installed and connected and we can help you with most things
[16:00] <Pankreas> Thank you.
[16:00] <Kilos> np
[16:38] <magespawn> evening all
[16:42] <Kilos> hiyamage
[16:42] <Kilos> grrr
[16:42] <Kilos> hi magespawn 
[16:42] <magespawn> hey Kilos
[16:44] <magespawn> whats up?
[16:59] <charlvn> good evening
[16:59] <charlvn> Maaz: coffee on
[16:59]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[16:59] <magespawn> Maaz coffee
[16:59] <Maaz> magespawn: Sorry...
[16:59] <magespawn> Maaz coffee please
[17:00] <Maaz> magespawn: Alrighty
[17:01] <charlvn> he doesn't like it when you don't say please
[17:03] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charlvn and magespawn!
[17:04] <charlvn> Maaz: thanks
[17:04] <Maaz> charlvn: Sure
[17:04] <charlvn> brb
[17:15] <Kilos> hi charlvn was eating 
[17:16] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[17:16]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[17:17] <Kilos> sorry magespawn i messed up unity
[17:18] <Kilos> oh you know that
[17:18] <Kilos> is there a way from terminal to change screen sizes
[17:18] <magespawn> Maaz botsnack
[17:18] <Maaz> Yay, at last someone thinks about me as well
[17:18] <magespawn> not that I know of
[17:19] <Kilos> lol so weird
[17:19] <magespawn> you would need to edit the xserver settings I think.
[17:19] <Kilos> imagine your working os at 1024x840 or something down to 640x480
[17:20] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[17:20] <Kilos> half of everything is off screen
[17:20] <Kilos> Maaz, ty
[17:20] <Maaz> You are welcome Kilos
[17:24] <Kilos> haha im not the only one
[17:25] <Kilos> http://is.gd/SCjvhC
[17:25] <Kilos> nvidia 
[17:31] <Kilos> magespawn, does this look safe to do
[17:31] <Kilos> run xrandr -s 1024x768
[17:32] <Kilos> dont wanna reinstall from scratch again
[17:33] <magespawn> busy reading up on that now.
[17:35] <Kilos> this sounds better
[17:35] <Kilos> In a terminal: sudo gedit /etc/default/grub Search for the line with "quiet spasch", and change it to "quiet splash nomodeset". Save the file. Then sudo update-grub. And reboot your computer. In most of the cases this will help.
[17:35] <Kilos> lol
[17:36] <magespawn> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1705929 there is this thread too. 
[17:36] <Kilos> lucky i got min hair so not many more to go gray
[17:36] <Kilos> ty i go see
[17:37] <magespawn> also the wiki on x here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Config/Resolution#Adding%20undetected%20resolutions
[17:38] <magespawn> http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-to-adjust-screen-resolution-on-ubuntu.html I like this blog.
[17:39] <Kilos> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Config/Resolution#Adding%20undetected%20resolutions
[17:39] <Kilos> that one looks good using xrandr
[17:41] <Kilos> ty magespawn now to save this info and boot to 12.04 and do it. morrow methinks
[17:41] <Kilos> also been thinking some
[17:42] <magespawn> about?
[17:42] <Kilos> yes it hurts
[17:42] <Kilos> when i install from cd i can get nm working same as on old buntus
[17:42] <Kilos> so if i can stop nm and modemmanager from updating then nm should keep working
[17:43] <Kilos> after upgrading and reboot nm dont work no more
[17:43] <Kilos> the regresive stuff isnt it
[17:43] <Kilos> regressive
[17:43] <magespawn> theoretically
[17:44] <magespawn> or if the do update remove them and reinstall old ones
[17:44] <Kilos> there are hundreds of peeps complaining but not much seems to be getting done about it
[17:44] <Kilos> tried about 30 workarounds already
[17:44] <magespawn> maybe it is not a priority yet
[17:45] <Kilos> i dunno how to do that
[17:45] <Kilos> one guy even said he isnt prepared to battle like that, going back to windows
[17:45] <magespawn> not sure myself Kilos
[17:45] <Kilos> internet connection should be top priority
[17:46] <magespawn> ahh you get those all the time
[17:46] <magespawn> shouled be I agree, that how most ppl get there ubuntu I think.
[17:46] <magespawn> their
[17:46] <Kilos> im sure half the ubuntu users are on mobile broadband
[17:47] <Kilos> tumbleweed, are you very busy?
[17:47] <magespawn> there must be away to lock the version of nm. you can with other programs.
[17:48] <Kilos> nm and modemmanager methinks
[17:48] <magespawn> yup
[17:49] <Kilos> i dont understand upgrading something that works kiff
[17:51] <Kilos> Maaz, google how to stop network manager and modem manager from upgrading after clean install without updating same time
[17:51] <Maaz> Kilos: "NetworkManager - ArchWiki" https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/NetworkManager :: "Windows 7 Clean Installation - ThinkPad T420, T420s, T520, W520 ..." http://support.lenovo.com/?sitestyle=lenovo&lndocid=MIGR-77353 :: "13 surprises from Kubuntu 12.04 - Linux notes from DarkDuck" http://linuxblog.darkduck.com/2012/05/13-surprises-from-kubuntu-1204.html :: "Newest 'network-manager' Questions - Ask Ubuntu" http://askubuntu.com/question
[17:51] <magespawn> When ms brought vista and 7 they broke a whole load of modem drivers
[17:51] <magespawn> lol
[17:51] <Kilos> lol
[17:51] <magespawn> love the first reply.
[17:51] <Kilos> i installed 7 on a spare drive here and even though it sucks it works
[17:52] <Kilos> oh ya gotta fight with nuvolari
[17:52] <magespawn> spent 6 hours sorting out a corupt outlook pst file.
[17:53] <Kilos> he gave the link to use win7 to change the modems settings then gnome-ppp didnt work
[17:53] <magespawn> if windows worked I would not have work lol
[17:53] <Kilos> eish, everything in winsucks is corrupt
[17:54] <Kilos> lol
[17:54] <Kilos> pc shops live off windows pcs
[17:55] <magespawn> they have some very strange file restrictions
[17:55] <magespawn> I try to get people to use linux when I can
[17:56] <Kilos> 7 wouldnt let me install the gigabyte drivers till i turned something right down
[17:56] <Kilos> well hear what pankreas says when he gets going
[17:57] <Kilos> he sounds clued on winsucks
[17:58] <Kilos> Maaz, google how to stop network manager and modem manager from upgrading after clean install without updating same time on 12.04
[17:58] <Maaz> Kilos: "Newest 'network-manager' Questions - Ask Ubuntu" http://askubuntu.com/questions/tagged/network-manager :: "13 surprises from Kubuntu 12.04 - Linux notes from DarkDuck" http://linuxblog.darkduck.com/2012/05/13-surprises-from-kubuntu-1204.html :: "Bug #882817 “shutdown screen stuck after upgrade to Ubuntu 11.10 ..." https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/882817 :: "NetworkManager causes orphaned inodes - Launchpad Bugs" https://bugs.launch
[17:58] <Kilos> eish
[18:00] <Kilos> cocooncrash, are you still using ubuntu?
[18:00] <cocooncrash> Kilos: Of course
[18:00] <Kilos> can you give some advice please
[18:01] <Kilos> can one stop nm and modemmanager from upgrading on a clean install
[18:01] <Kilos> 12.04 nm sucks
[18:01] <cocooncrash> You can hold packages to prevent them from being upgraded
[18:01] <Kilos> the one on the live cd works kiff
[18:02] <charlvn> hi back
[18:02] <cocooncrash> But running NM from a different releases is likely to cause issues.
[18:02] <charlvn> hi Kilos, cocooncrash 
[18:02] <Kilos> have you a link for me please
[18:02] <cocooncrash> Kilos: Google for "aptitude hold"
[18:02] <Kilos> ty cocooncrash 
[18:05] <Kilos> there we go magespawn 
[18:06] <Kilos> #aptitude hold package_name
[18:06] <smile> bye :)
[18:06] <Kilos> will try a clean install without being connected
[18:06] <magespawn> cheers smile
[18:06] <Kilos> cheers smil
[18:06] <Kilos> grr
[18:07] <magespawn> ty Kilos and cocooncrash 
[18:07] <Kilos> i gotta get unity working properly so i can help noobs
[18:07] <Kilos> hehe
[18:08] <Kilos> and get going for our meet in 7 days time
[18:18] <magespawn> do you need to add a sudo before that?
[18:18] <Kilos> most likely
[18:18] <Kilos> it will say file not found
[18:19] <magespawn> bbl fish time.
[18:19] <Kilos> k
[18:24] <Kilos> magespawn, here is an easier way if you have synaptic installed, one of the first things i did on 12.04
[18:24] <Kilos> http://askubuntu.com/questions/18654/how-to-prevent-updating-of-a-specific-package
[18:24] <Kilos> dunno if that will stop aptitude and apt-get as well
[18:25] <Kilos> i gona be a geek before i die
[18:25] <Kilos> thanks to unity
[18:27] <Symmetria> ullo 
[18:27] <Kilos> i Symmetria 
[18:27] <Symmetria> <3 cant wait, new machine tomorrow
[18:27] <Kilos> fingers tired?
[18:27] <Kilos> lol you excited
[18:28] <Symmetria> and lol, since Im getting it now while Im here in Bloem, I get to do its setup and all its initial downloads plugged into the university network :P
[18:28] <Symmetria> 10gig of bandwidth ftw when installing a machine
[18:28] <Kilos> hehe
[18:29] <Symmetria> lol we were downloading vlc earlier to test it 
[18:29] <Symmetria> you click go and its there
[18:32] <Kilos> lekker
[18:33] <Kilos> i like vlc
[18:33] <Kilos> plays anything
[18:33] <Symmetria> we're having shit with multicast
[18:38] <Symmetria> but I think its a TENET issue
[18:38] <Symmetria> and thats a big problem because Im the only one at TENET who ever touched that stuff
[18:38] <Symmetria> so I gotta convince them to fix it and listen to me when I tell them how
[18:39] <Kilos> go fix
[18:39] <Kilos> and send the bill
[18:39] <Symmetria> LOL dont have access to fix 
[18:39] <Symmetria> else I would
[18:40] <Kilos> wont they give you access
[18:40] <Symmetria> not a chance
[18:40] <Kilos> lol
[18:40] <Kilos> hack it
[18:50] <Kilos> hi psydroid 
[18:51] <psydroid> hi Kilos
[18:59] <Symmetria> heh multicast is such a fun technology
[18:59] <Symmetria> when it works its amazing
[18:59] <Symmetria> but the implementations of it are chronic and the debugging of it is a  nightmare
[19:00] <Symmetria> its kinda, the one thing in networking that most network engineers wont go near because if it goes wrong, its a huge pain in the ass to figure out why
[19:11] <Kilos> thats why we got you
[19:16] <Kilos> magespawn, you back?
[19:16] <Kilos> oh no
[19:16] <Kilos> liver, haai
[19:19] <magespawn> hey Kilos
[19:20] <Kilos> that way on synaptic is easy to lock packages
[19:20] <Kilos> will maybe try a clean install and lock whats working as it is
[19:21] <Kilos> and you can see all dependancies in synaptic and lock them too
[19:22] <magespawn> that would work better maybe
[19:22] <magespawn> Symmetria: what is multicast?
[19:27] <magespawn> just read the wikipeadia on it
[19:27] <Kilos> and?
[19:28] <magespawn> on multicast
[19:28] <Kilos> yes and?
[19:29] <Symmetria> heh magespawn mmm
[19:29] <Symmetria> multicast basically allows for packet stream duplication
[19:29] <Symmetria> so, say you have one guy connected behind a switch who connects to a udp stream, like a video broadcast
[19:29] <Symmetria> the next guy behind the switch connects to the same stream
[19:29] <magespawn> they way i understand it i can send something once and multiple ip can recieve it, and if set up properly means i do not need to know how many ppl want it
[19:29] <Symmetria> instead of the data being pulled twice from source, the switch duplicates it 
[19:30] <Symmetria> and will duplicate it for each port requesting it
[19:30] <Symmetria> and it works like a giant tree
[19:30] <magespawn> does the switch control it?
[19:30] <Symmetria> so, if the router at the edge of a university campus for example is getting the stream because someone in the university is requesting it
[19:30] <Symmetria> then if someone else in the university requests it, so long as its passing through the same router, the router will still only be getting it once
[19:30] <Symmetria> it duplicates at the point it needs to split 
[19:30] <Symmetria> automagically 
[19:31] <magespawn> does the router/switch control it?
[19:31] <Symmetria> magespawn well, depends how you define control
[19:32] <magespawn> the duplication happens at the switch?
[19:32] <Symmetria> client sends an IGMP message, switch receives IGMP message, if switch has stream, it starts sending to that port, if it doesnt, it issues a join to its upstream, if upstream has it, it starts sending to switch, if it doesnt, it sends a join etc
[19:32] <Symmetria> the duplication happens at the first point where its "necessary" to duplicate it
[19:32] <Symmetria> umm ok, imagine this 
[19:32] <magespawn> i see.
[19:32] <Symmetria> you have a router at the edge of a campus
[19:33] <Symmetria> off that router you have 2 switches
[19:33] <Symmetria> and off each of those switches, you have 2 more switches 
[19:33] <Symmetria> so you have 6 switches in total and the router
[19:33] <Symmetria> now, person on switch 1 requests a multicast stream, it sends it to switch 2, which sends it to router, which goes and gets it from the isp
[19:33] <Symmetria> person on switch 3 then requests, and if switch 3 is behind switch 2, switch 2 starts duplicating
[19:34] <Symmetria> if switch 3 is directly connected to the router, the router starts duplicating
[19:34] <Symmetria> it basically grows like a giant tree
[19:34] <magespawn> right got it
[19:35] <magespawn> do you set multicast in the router/switch or is it automatic?
[19:36] <Symmetria> heh, you have to setup igmp on the end point switches
[19:36] <Symmetria> and then you have to route the multicast using a protocol called PIM
[19:36] <Symmetria> and then if you wanna do it wider than that, you start getting into multicast bgp and msdp 
[19:36] <Symmetria> (msdp = multicast session distribution protocol)
[19:36] <Symmetria> though some people prefer whats called SSM (Source specific multicast), which is another protocol, mroe designed for v6 though
[19:37] <magespawn> going to do some reading
[19:38] <Symmetria> multicast is very commonly used on big lan networks and things like university campuses
[19:38] <Symmetria> what is NOT common is using it across the internet
[19:38] <Symmetria> that is pretty much the domain of academia :)
[19:38] <Symmetria> heard of something called ghost?
[19:38] <magespawn> no
[19:38] <Symmetria> ghost is an application for imaging machines 
[19:38] <Symmetria> it can work via multicast
[19:39] <Symmetria> you can basically setup a "server" that transmits out a machine image 
[19:39] <Symmetria> all the clients join it and receive the image similtaneously
[19:39] <Symmetria> so you can image 200 machines at full line rate network speed while only trasmitting from one server
[19:39] <magespawn> nice if you run thin clients
[19:40] <Symmetria> magespawn heh, the universities often run thick clients and still use it
[19:40] <Symmetria> because many universities insist on reimaging every machine in the labs at night in order to clean out bullshit and to stop people storing crap on them
[19:40] <Symmetria> everything on the machine is local, office, windows, the whole thing, its a fully installed machine
[19:41] <Symmetria> but tjhey multicast out like an 8 gig image once every night and reset everything using that image
[19:41] <magespawn> cool
[19:42] <Symmetria> heh kinda kills off virus infections as well
[19:42] <Symmetria> if you get a virus infectino running through your labs, just reimage em all at the same time
[19:42] <Symmetria> end of virus :p
[19:42] <magespawn> would also be the way to run a computer lab at a schoolor college
[19:44] <Symmetria> yeah machine imaging is awesomeness :)
[19:44] <Symmetria> but I dont know that I'd try it on cheap unmanaged switches :)
[19:44] <Symmetria> chances are they would broadcast it rather than multicast it :p
[19:45] <magespawn> how does that work with ms liscence?
[19:45] <Symmetria> heh I'd have to find out how the university handles that but they have some or other volume license agreement that lets it work 
[19:45] <Symmetria> basically I think its a volume key 
[19:45] <Symmetria> that allows a ton of machines to work on the same key
[19:45] <magespawn> that would work
[19:46] <Symmetria> you should also be able to push out linux images in the same way
[19:46] <magespawn> never played with a managed switch before
[19:46] <Symmetria> heh there are managed switches and managed switches :) lol, they vary rather vastly in what they can do 
[19:47] <Symmetria> especially if you look at the difference between an L3 and an L2 switch
[19:47] <Symmetria> personally my switch of choice is either a 24 port or a 48 port juniper ex series 
[19:47] <Symmetria> ex 2200 if I want straight layer 2 with extremely basic layer 3 
[19:47] <Symmetria> or ex 4200 if I want the whole bang 
[19:47] <magespawn> cost?
[19:48] <Symmetria> ex 2200 will set you back anywhere from 10 to 20 thousand dependant on the discounts you get, where you buy it and the volumes you buy em in :)
[19:48] <Symmetria> a ex4200 will cost you double that, but an ex4200 has 10gig uplinks on it as well
[19:48] <magespawn> think I will have to wait on that awhile then
[19:48] <Symmetria> you can get a ex2200 with 24 PoE+ ports for around 15 odd 
[19:49] <Symmetria> and PoE+ ftw :)
[19:49] <Symmetria> lol, you can get a 48 port PoE+ version as well, lol, complete with its 900 watt PSU to drive it :p
[19:49] <Kilos> magespawn, you gonna have to raid some varsities
[19:50] <magespawn> yup or go work them
[19:50] <magespawn> or banks
[19:50] <Symmetria> heh I love PoE though, plug something in with an ethernet cable and forget about having to find power for it elsewhere
[19:50] <magespawn> works well for ip cameras
[19:50] <Symmetria> and voip phones
[19:51] <Symmetria> and I've even seen the odd notebook that can power off PoE :p
[19:51] <Symmetria> apple should do that on their macbooks, make them capable of charging via poe 
[19:52] <magespawn> ethernet to usb adapter for tablets
[19:52] <magespawn> that would be keen
[19:52] <magespawn> if the tablet can get power that way
[19:54] <magespawn> i am out for tonight, good night all
[19:55] <Kilos> nigfht magespawn 
[19:55] <Kilos> sleep tight
[19:55] <Kilos> night as well
[19:55] <magespawn> lol night Kilos
[19:55] <Symmetria> gnight dude 
[19:55] <Kilos> hehe
[19:56] <Kilos> Maaz, define dude
[19:56] <Maaz> Kilos: Dude \Dude\, n. A kind of dandy; especially, one characterized by an ultrafashionable style of dress and other affectations. [Recent] [1913 Webster]  The social dude who affects English dress and English drawl.                                   --The American. [1913 Webster], dude n 1: an informal form of address for a man; "Say, fellow, what are you doing?"; "Hey buster, what's up?" [syn: {fellow}, {dude}, {buster}] 2: a man who is 
[19:57] <Kilos> hehe
[20:13] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[20:28] <superfly> hello
[20:32] <Symmetria> The shootings at the cinema in Denver have ruined the Batman film for me.
[20:32] <Symmetria> All I can see in my pirate copy is the audience running about.
[20:33] <Kerbero> ai :(
[20:33] <Kerbero> where did you get a camrip of that specific screening anyway?
[20:35] <Symmetria> hahahahaha it was a joke
[20:35] <Symmetria> :p
[20:36] <Kerbero> hahaha
[20:36] <Kerbero> well one never knows what is available
[20:36] <Kerbero> anyway
[20:37] <Kerbero> Symmetria: any idea how to transparent proxy https?
[20:37] <Symmetria> kerbero never done so 
[20:37] <Kerbero> ok
[20:37] <Kerbero> then it is likely impossible
[20:37] <Kerbero> :P
[20:38] <Symmetria> heh, if I recall some firewalls and cisco devices have shit that can do the redirection correctly but Ive never tried it at all 
[20:39] <Symmetria> but since most of the web these days isnt really cacheable
[20:39] <Symmetria> and your proxy hit rates are generally < 10% in normal environments
[20:39] <Symmetria> whats the point :)
[20:39] <Kerbero> yeah
[20:39] <Kerbero> but universities...
[20:40] <Symmetria> heh, secret for you about most universities and their caches 
[20:40] <Kerbero> they sometimes still forces their users to use proxy servers
[20:40] <Symmetria> most of them have caching disabled :p
[20:40] <Kerbero> yes
[20:40] <Symmetria> they use them as authentication devices and as control devices 
[20:40] <Kerbero> i don't care about caching
[20:40] <Symmetria> but they dont actually write anything to disk
[20:40] <Kerbero> exactly @ authentication
[20:40] <Symmetria> heh if you're referring to stellenbosch? god only knows why they do what they do :)
[20:40] <Symmetria> UFS uses a PAC file for proxy redirection 
[20:41] <Kerbero> to give "free" internet to postgraduate students in the faculties that pays for it
[20:41] <Kerbero> we still have a pac fiel for normal internet too though, but no one uses it
[20:42] <Symmetria> heh, UFS's pac file works fairly well
[20:42] <Symmetria> we were rather worried it would break with the v6 rollout
[20:42] <Symmetria> but it didnt
[20:42] <Kerbero> i'm looking for a way to get routed internet via the "free" proxy
[20:42] <Kerbero> nice
[20:42] <Symmetria> heh no idea, I dont know their setup well enough, other than to know its broken by design
[20:43] <Symmetria> because university billing students for bandwidth is broken by design 
[20:43] <Symmetria> :p
[20:43] <Kerbero> lol
[20:43] <Kerbero> indeed
[20:43] <Symmetria> anyway dude, Im off to sleep
[20:43] <Symmetria> gnight :)
[20:43] <Kerbero> night symm
[21:06] <zeref> sigh, keep getting seg faults for gnome-shell
[22:54] <Squirm> http://synergy-foss.org/
[22:54] <Squirm> interesting
[23:33] <zeref> hmmm, how do you tell if a problem is related to the kernal or nvidia?