[04:12] <len-dt> There seems to be no 12.10 build today, but there is a new 12.04.1
[04:29] <smartboyhw> Hi!
[05:56] <smartboyhw> Hi!
[06:58] <astraljava> len-dt: It sounds feasible, but what does vanilla have? I haven't touched it in ages, neither that nor firefox.
[07:06] <astraljava> smartboyhw_away: For future reference, it's not absolutely required to install another distribution just to test on it. Live session would do the trick just fine.
[09:58] <smartboyhw> I am back!
[10:02] <knome> generally, i encourage people NOT to use awaynicks since that just brings more join/part messages to the channels; so please consider not using one
[10:03] <smartboyhw> knome: New thing, sorry!
[10:04] <knome> no problem
[10:04] <knome> there's those /away messages for that; if you set one, the people who are looking for you will see that
[10:04] <knome> and you can have a longer away message too; think "away" versus "just going to get some snacks from the store, back in 30mins"
[10:11] <smartboyhw> I did, I said I'm going to maths class..
[10:12] <knome> ok, in that case, the awaynick was even more redundant :)
[10:12] <smartboyhw> Hmm
[10:14] <smartboyhw> knome: Don't forget to come to the meeting today!
[10:16] <knome> i'll have to see if i have time
[10:16] <smartboyhw> 1400UTC.
[10:17] <knome> yeah. but i don't know yet (i'm an entrepreneur, so things ofter come unexpected)
[10:17] <knome> often too
[10:22] <astraljava> I'm not, and most every hour is unexpected to me.
[10:23] <smartboyhw> astraljava: almost every hour is expected for me
[10:26] <knome> smartboyhw, we are just saying planning isn't as easy as setting a time; people might not be able to come even if they thought and said they would
[10:27] <smartboyhw> OH!
[10:28] <knome> even harder in FOSS than a regular office, since it's everybody's "free time"
[10:29] <smartboyhw> BTW, who
[10:29] <smartboyhw> is the chair of the meeting?
[10:30] <knome> if scott is around, probably him. then, probably somebody who knows how to chair one properly.
[10:30] <smartboyhw> probably astraljava
[10:34] <knome> ...if he's around
[10:37] <astraljava> smartboyhw: That's another thing when setting up a meeting. Make sure you can chair it, if no one else who previously has is attending.
[10:53] <knome> len-dt, bug 1035954 pending IS
[10:53] <knome> len-dt, RT ticket #20273
[11:47] <smartboyhw> Please o/ if you are here
[11:54] <smartboyhw> o/ please
[12:20] <knome> smartboyhw, maybe nobody is on?
[12:20] <smartboyhw> Oh
[12:20] <smartboyhw> I actually chaired a meeting before
[12:20] <smartboyhw> In QA
[12:58] <len-dt> knome, Thank You
[13:06] <smartboyhw> Hi, len-dt!
[13:06] <len-dt> Good morning.
[13:09] <smartboyhw> Good evening
[13:33] <smartboyhw> Is astraljava here?
[13:33] <smartboyhw> ping astraljava
[13:34] <knome> i'm sure he gets the highlight from the first time you type his nick
[13:34] <smartboyhw> Good!
[13:34] <smartboyhw> I need to report to him about 12.04.1 testing of Ubuntu Studio x64
[13:38] <knome> smartboyhw, all testing should be reported to the ISO tracker, not a single person
[13:38] <knome> smartboyhw, find the tracker at http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/
[13:38] <smartboyhw> I need to tell her, since that she is the coordinator now. Anyway, testing results will be put to ISO QA Tracker soon
[13:39] <smartboyhw> knome: Don't think I don't know how to report to ISO QA Tracker
[13:39] <knome> *he* will read the results from the tracker anyway
[13:39] <smartboyhw> Been doing this for months
[13:39] <scott-work> is the meeting in 15 mins?
[13:39] <smartboyhw> 20 minutes
[13:39] <knome> smartboyhw, there's the "precise daily"
[13:39]  * smartboyhw waves at scott-work
[13:39] <smartboyhw> knome: I'm testing ubiquity
[13:40] <smartboyhw> scott-work: You are going to be chair, right?
[13:40] <knome> smartboyhw, i imagine the tracker is still the place where astraljava wants the reports; if there's something more he needs, he can probably just ask you
[13:40] <smartboyhw> Yep
[13:40] <smartboyhw> knome: astraljava's a she, right?
[13:40] <knome> smartboyhw, nope.
[13:41] <smartboyhw> Uh oh
[13:42] <knome> at least the last time i saw astraljava, he was pretty clearly he.
[13:43] <smartboyhw> phillw or balloons said "he" is a "she".
[13:44] <knome> then they didn't know what they were talking about
[13:45] <smartboyhw> **** it
[13:45] <knome> huh? please mind the language, even obfuscated
[13:45] <smartboyhw> Ok, handed in a pass for 12.04.1 x64
[13:45] <knome> smartboyhw, just, please; calm. down.
[13:45] <smartboyhw> SORRY.
[13:50] <scott-work> i am not going to be able to be in the meeting, this is not a good time because of work
[13:50] <smartboyhw> Now who IS chair?
[13:51] <knome> smartboyhw, unless nobody else can chair the meeting, you should
[13:52] <knome> i'm not able to take part either, except maybe a few first minutes, but those are maybe too.
[13:52] <smartboyhw> Uh oh, this meeting is going to be of no use.
[13:53] <knome> let's hope those who said the time is ok will be around
[13:54] <knome> this is exactly what i was trying to point out earlier with astraljava; just setting a time doesn't mean the meeting will be succesfull, or loaded with attendees
[13:54] <knome> (even if it sounded it was a good time)
[13:58] <smartboyhw> Everyone please o/ at #ubuntu-meeting
[13:58] <knome> well, i need to go
[13:59] <knome> see you later
[13:59] <smartboyhw> NO!
[13:59] <knome> hope you have a good meeting
[13:59] <knome> yes, i need to go
[13:59] <knome> see you ->
[14:05] <smartboyhw> PLEASE GO TO #ubuntu-meeting NOW!!!!
[14:12] <holstein> smartboyhw: are you chairing?
[14:13] <holstein> smartboyhw: you need me to dig up the bot commands?
[14:13] <smartboyhw> Yep, attend now!
[14:26] <scott-work> smartboyhw: i am only speaking for myself, but i find it slightly rude that you appear to be commanding people to action
[14:26] <scott-work> we are all volunteers for this project, i am unaware that anyone is paid directly to work on ubuntu studio
[14:26] <smartboyhw> scott-work: They are not here
[14:26] <smartboyhw> BTW, the meeting's going well
[14:27] <scott-work> i am glad the meeting is going well
[14:29] <holstein> i was going to say that as well.. its just a bit abrasive smartboyhw ...again, your enthusiasm is noted and appreciated
[14:30] <stochastic> scott-work, are you joining us in the meeting?
[14:30] <smartboyhw> He's not
[14:31] <scott-work> stochastic: i will not be able to attend currently, work is prohibiting it currently
[14:31] <stochastic> okay, ttys
[14:31] <smartboyhw> That's why he's scott-work:)
[14:31] <scott-work> things are afoot at work and i will be on IRC very sporadically today
[15:12] <Len-nb> stochastic, because we have included a google search box in ubuntustudio.org we can not legally make that our home page. This acording knome
[15:13] <smartboyhw> scott-work: Finished the meeting!
[15:14] <Len-nb> So I will leave that out. However, our "help" menu item already goes there.
[15:17] <stochastic> Len-nb, so it'd be best if we moved away from the google search code on the site
[15:18] <Len-nb> That would be between ailo, knome and scott-work I think
[15:18] <smartboyhw> I agree
[15:18] <stochastic> okay
[15:18] <Len-nb> they are the main contributors
[15:19] <stochastic> I imagine that provided the search functionality is still functional (it doesn't lead to a google page) they'd probably encourage the switch to allow the homepage linking
[15:19] <stochastic> but that's an assumption
[15:20] <Len-nb> The blueprint has a list of bookmarks to include, so I am thinking to make a ubuntustudio folder
[15:20] <stochastic> sounds smart
[15:20] <stochastic> would help with maintaining it later
[15:20] <Len-nb> That may be why Ubuntu quietly switched the default to ask
[15:23] <Len-nb> The blue print says: -add bookmarks to firefox (forums, help.ubuntu.com, ubuntustudio.org, youtube studio channel?, mailing lists
[15:23]  * stochastic looks at the current module code
[15:23] <stochastic> for the website search that is
[15:24] <smartboyhw> Is there a Ubuntu Studio channel on Youtube?
[15:25] <Len-nb> I thinnk not yet
[15:25] <smartboyhw> Then should someone create it?
[15:26] <stochastic> I can't find one anywhere, I like the idea of having one, but content comes before links
[15:26] <Len-nb> When someone has something to put there, they can create it
[15:26] <smartboyhw> Maybe I can help creating one
[15:27] <Len-nb> Do you have content?
[15:27] <smartboyhw> First, then ask everybody to put content
[15:27] <stochastic> maybe Scott has plans
[15:27] <Len-nb> no, content first
[15:27] <smartboyhw> OK, so everybody shoot a video that is related to Studio, right?
[15:28] <Len-nb> We already had problems with an old website that made people think we were dead
[15:28] <stochastic> though smartboyhw if you want to curate the channel with a call for videos to the mailing list
[15:28] <smartboyhw> stochastic: I will do that
[15:28] <Len-nb> people have limited time and video experience
[15:28] <stochastic> content comes first though, make it good content
[15:29] <smartboyhw> I will be moderating it, of course
[15:29] <stochastic> I've got an old talk on Ubuntu Studio on Vimeo that can be transferred
[15:29] <astraljava> It's the same thing with the unix philosophy; the right tools for the right job. Not everyone are well-suited for video creation, and thus shouldn't.
[15:29] <Len-nb> scott-work, has a very good eye for visual things
[15:30] <smartboyhw> Sure he has
[15:30] <Len-nb> He would make a good moderator.
[15:30] <astraljava> Len-nb: Didn't he publish a talk on such a topic just recently? And by that I mean during the on-going year. :)
[15:31] <Len-nb> I am not sure, he has done a few videos though.
[15:39] <smartboyhw> Bye, I need to go to SLEEP
[15:40] <stochastic> Len-nb, upon browsing the setup of ubuntustudio.org I see no google search functionality
[15:40] <smartboyhw> See you guys tmr with progress upgrades on Youtube!
[15:41] <Len-nb> stochastic, so tha search box goes elsewhere?
[15:41]  * Len-nb sighs
[15:41] <stochastic> there's only the built-in wordpress search module being used, nothing to do with google
[15:41] <Len-nb> So I should be able to make that the home page then
[15:41] <stochastic> can you find a google reference anywhere on our site?
[15:42] <stochastic> yes
[15:42] <stochastic> you should have no troubles doing that
[15:42] <Len-nb> knome seemed to think there was and as he did a lot of the work...
[15:43] <stochastic> I'd love to chat with knome about that.
[15:43] <stochastic> maybe the theme's code needs alteration, but I don't think so from the looks of it.
[15:43]  * stochastic looks again
[15:44] <Len-nb> I don't find the word google in the source at all
[15:44] <stochastic> I see no reason to not use it as our homepage
[15:44] <stochastic> yay for double negatives and coffee
[15:45] <Len-nb> I will put it back in. 
[15:46] <stochastic> we also don't have any google-based plugins installed in our wordpress page
[15:46] <stochastic> :)
[15:46] <Len-nb> Good.
[15:47] <stochastic> knome, please correct us if we're missing something (I know you're away)
[15:47] <Len-nb> He was talking about the xubuntu page too, so maybe it is their page that has a problem
[15:48] <Len-nb> They have a link to google on there
[15:48] <stochastic> okay
[15:50] <stochastic> scott-work, I notice we still have the old webpage code sitting in launchpad https://code.launchpad.net/ubuntustudio-resources but not the new stuff.  Maybe some cleanup should be done one day?  Is it fine to let that old stuff sit there?
[15:51] <stochastic> Len-nb do you have a link to the latest meta package code for your publishing/graphics split?
[15:52] <Len-nb> https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-dev/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntustudio.quantal
[15:53] <Len-nb> I don't know where the code is that takes this and creates meta packages is though
[15:54] <Len-nb> Colin Watson might know.
[15:55] <stochastic> If memory serves correct, we just ask for the latest branch to be pushed
[15:55] <stochastic> wow, both graphics and publishing are very bare-bones right now
[15:56] <Len-nb> Ya, but the ISO is growing. I have been doing most of this one my own.
[15:57] <Len-nb> I ask what is needed on the list and try to figure out what is best.
[15:57] <Len-nb> mostly I am trying to get things rolling
[15:57] <stochastic> yes, great job so far
[15:57] <stochastic> thank you
[15:58] <Len-nb> It has been a great learning experience.
[15:59] <stochastic> For publishing, I would imagine that some LaTex stuff should find its way into the meta.  I'll look into doing that
[15:59] <Len-nb> I have set lyx as an extra.
[16:00] <Len-nb> I like it...
[16:00] <Len-nb> It pulls in a lot of the LaTex stuff
[16:03] <stochastic> hmm, I don't see that line in my bzr pull, where is lyx at?
[16:05] <Len-nb> I have in -default-settings in the menu a software_center icon in the publishing menu that suggests extra software for that area
[16:08] <stochastic> okay
[16:09] <Len-nb> In other words the user would install it after the ISO install
[16:09] <Len-nb> I have these sprinkled throughout the menu.
[16:09] <stochastic> nice
[16:10] <Len-nb> This is another reason I would like -settings to get released... So I can get some feedback
[16:10] <Len-nb> But I may as well get firefox and xchat branding done ...
[16:11] <micahg> didn't I upload -settings?
[16:12] <micahg> Len-nb: I'm piloting today, so give me a list :)
[16:12] <Len-nb> -look has been waiting a long time
[16:12] <Len-nb> seeds to metas
[16:13] <Len-nb>  and I will add twoo commits to -settings today... next half hour or so.
[16:13] <micahg> Len-nb: 'ubuntustudio-default-settings UNRELEASED quantal; urgency=low' doesn't work, it should have the version where UNRELEASED is and UNRELEASED where quantal is
[16:14] <micahg> and is there anything required for 12.04.1?  you're already past initial freeze for that point release and require a 12.04.1 ACK for anything going in at this poit
[16:14] <micahg> *point
[16:14] <Len-nb> I will fix that. Can I do that along with firefox branding?
[16:14] <Len-nb> or should I finish firefox first?
[16:15] <Len-nb> The word I got from scott-work was that he was not worried about fixing menus for 12.04
[16:15] <Len-nb> The package is there and done and tested though
[16:16] <micahg> well, if you want it in for 12.04.1, you should talk to stgraber or skaet in #ubuntu-release, otherwise it can wait
[16:17] <Len-nb> scott-work, seems have decided wait. I seem to get that from the answers to the bugs too, that so long as it is fixed in 12.10 it is fine
[16:18] <Len-nb> The other thing is that I am personally running out of time I can work on things
[16:18] <Len-nb> I am pretty close to finished my contribution for 12.10
[16:24] <micahg> Len-nb: ok, well, just try to hand off whatever else needs doing to someone else then
[16:25] <Len-nb> ya, I think I am finished what I have committed to. I won't be gone though just less active
[16:33]  * Len-nb is going to be in and out for testing
[16:55] <Len-nb> micahg, ubuntustudio-default-settings is ready for release
[16:56] <micahg> Len-nb: ok, will have a look when I pilot, thanks
[16:57] <Len-nb> Thank you.
[17:07] <scott-work> webchat stopped, relogged, and reading logs
[17:07] <scott-work> i emphatically hope smarty doesn't create a ubuntu studio youtube channel :/
[17:08] <micahg> scott-work: you can e-mail him
[17:08] <scott-work> i probably should, thank you for the suggestion
[17:09] <scott-work> i do have plans for a series of ubuntu studio tutorial videos, i wanted to include these in the youtube channel
[17:10] <scott-work> i have already outlined a majority of them and have tentatively schedule to start work in a few months
[17:11] <Len-nb> scott-work, While you are at it you should look at the logs for #ubuntustudio over the past 24hrs
[17:11] <scott-work> Len-nb: not -dev, just #ubuntustudio?
[17:11] <Len-nb> The amount of miss information coming from"us" is no good
[17:12] <scott-work> oh dear
[17:12] <Len-nb> Ya, helping user questions
[17:12] <scott-work> stochastic: yes, the new website code should be dumped into bzr, although i thought there might have been a new branch set up...checking something
[17:13] <scott-work> stochastic: oh, we just created the team but haven't put a trunk in there yet :/ https://launchpad.net/ubuntustudio-website
[17:14] <Len-nb> scott-work, firefox US branding is commited, and there is a try at xchat too. Micah says he will upload it.
[17:14] <Len-nb> Quote "when he is piloting"
[17:14] <scott-work> yay!  good work Len-nb :)  you freaking astound me with your progress
[17:14] <Len-nb> it may be a little more laid back for a bit.
[17:15] <micahg> Len-nb: sorry, you can't do that with firefox, you shouldn't be installing anything in  usr/lib/firefox/
[17:16] <Len-nb> That is the way the ubuntu -setting developing package does it
[17:16] <Len-nb> There is a package for making default-settings packages.
[17:17] <micahg> hrm, I see that, I think it's problematic though...it might work on ISO images, but not in the archive in general, I'll have to ask about it
[17:18] <micahg> the problem is, you can't have 2 binaries providing the same files without letting dpkg know what to do with the conflict
[17:19] <Len-nb> It is also the recomended way from mozila
[17:19] <Len-nb> would we do a copy over?
[17:20] <Len-nb> (or mv on top)
[17:20] <micahg> neither one works well with firefox getting upgraded every 6 weeks
[17:20] <Len-nb> yuck!
[17:21] <micahg> alternatives would work, but that's hairy as well
[17:21] <micahg> with alternatives, you lose any updates from the distro changes to that file
[17:22] <Len-nb> I tried all the ways I found with google. This was the only one that even worked
[17:22] <micahg> right, you need to talk to chrisccoulson about it
[17:24] <Len-nb> So revert for now then?
[17:24] <micahg> yeah, I can't upload with that in there
[17:25] <micahg> the xchat fix is innovative though :)
[17:25] <scott-work> luckily creating a "brand channel" in youtube is not exceedingly easy and it appears that smarty hasn't created on
[17:26] <scott-work> however, i did send an email to him about NOT doing it, thanks micahg 
[17:26] <micahg> sure
[17:30] <scott-work> stochastic: but to address your concern; i agree, we should have the new code in the bzr branch and either delete the old code or move into a VOID directory or similar
[17:30] <scott-work> knome: would you be able to help us get the website code into a trunk under the ubuntu studio website team?
[17:31] <scott-work> ah, stochastic, this is the team, i can add you to it if you would like: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-website
[17:32] <scott-work> oh, nevermind, you are already there
[17:33] <stochastic> scott-work, it was just an observation in my digging.  Figured you'd be keen to organize the team's launchpad pages.  I'll chat with knome about getting the code.
[17:34] <scott-work> stochastic: thank you, while i am keen on organization i just haven't been as active this cycle
[17:35] <stochastic> p.s. long time no talk.  we should catch up.  I'll likely be around a healthy dose more in the foreseeable future
[17:35] <scott-work> oh good :) i would like that
[17:36] <stochastic> understandable scott-work you went hard for 12.04 and earlier, it's fine to take a little breather every so often :)
[17:40] <Len-nb> micahg, -settings is fixed
[17:41] <micahg> thanks
[17:41] <Len-nb> micahg, question, should I do US firefox branding the same way as xchat?
[18:06] <micahg> Len-nb: well, if you'd like to link to the home page like that you certainly can from a packaging standpoint
[18:08] <ailo> Hi everyone. Been having some computer problems. Hopefully all solved now
[18:08] <Len-nb> I was thinking a ubuntustudio submenu with our webpages. Sort of an extended help
[18:09] <micahg> wfm
[18:09] <micahg> but you'll probably want buy in from project members :)
[18:10] <Len-nb> Ya, unless there is a way to add bookmarks... A bit frustrating. I am not sure why firefox would sugest doing something in a way they will write over on upgrade.
[18:13] <Len-nb> micahg, right now I am more interested in seeing what we have so far available for testing.
[18:14] <Len-nb> Also, our blueprints look like we aren't doing much FWIW, the release will let us test and mark them done
[18:36] <Len-nb> scott-work, I don't know if you got the conversation between Micah and myself, but setting up firefox bookmarks the way firefox suggests (and ubuntu BTW) will work at first install, but get overwritten by any firefox upgrade. :(
[18:37] <scott-work> hmmm, that's kinda crappy...and Ubuntu does this too? that's probably a bug
[18:38] <scott-work> could we set up a folder perhaps?
[18:38] <scott-work> i'm answering your email btw
[18:38] <Len-nb> Ubuntu does not do that. they mod the source. The package they provide for making a default-settings package does though
[18:44] <Len-nb> scott-work, that is about what I had... I had to revert it out though because of the above issue.
[19:03] <scott-work> maybe the best answer is to put these things into the menu under a "Support" or similar menu item
[19:04] <scott-work> Len-nb: were you able to mock up a work flow thingie after we talked last? i know you had one already
[19:04] <scott-work> i ask that because i was wondering if you were able to create an icon as a "header" to the work flow
[19:04] <scott-work> the current panel can't do that - from what i can tell - it wants to create an actual icon for an actual application as the "header"
[19:05] <Len-nb> I can use whatever icon, I had been using the transmission icon. I have not made any.
[19:06] <scott-work_> sorry len, didn't see if you typed anything or not, webchat dropped connection
[19:06] <Len-nb> scott-work, It is the same as the main menu but with one more line to point at the new menu file.
[19:07] <Len-nb>  I can use whatever icon, I had been using the transmission icon. I have not made any.
[19:12] <knome> hmm, the search is just internal site search
[19:13] <knome> the code is currently under ~knome/junk/
[19:13] <knome> but yeah, i've been planning to move it under the US teams
[20:16] <len-dt> scott-work_, email in list
[22:54] <len-dt> big changes in .1 ISO (14% diff)
[23:00] <micahg> kernel/firefox
[23:01] <len-dt> That would do it.... 
[23:01] <len-dt> That will make some people happy.