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* Quintasan hits the bed00:00
QuintasanGood night.00:00
Daskreech:)00:04
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kubotu::qt-bugs:: [1036465] package libqt4-xmlpatterns 4:4.8.1-0ubuntu4.2 failed to install/upgrade: libqt4-xmlpattern... @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1036465 (by Antti Seppo)02:19
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1036465 in qt4-x11 (Ubuntu) "package libqt4-xmlpatterns 4:4.8.1-0ubuntu4.2 failed to install/upgrade: libqt4-xmlpatterns:amd64 4" [Undecided,New]02:19
jussiRiddell: words06:02
alleeshadeslayer: cool! thx.  Will try it after the meeting ...07:32
Riddelljussi: not like this? http://starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/words.png07:34
apachelogger_Riddell: phonon stuff test building right now08:51
Riddellapachelogger_: which stuff?  where?09:01
apachelogger_pvlc and pgst releases09:02
Riddellgreat09:02
jussiRiddell: yeah, Ive no "blank document"09:04
Riddelljussi: you have calligrawords-data installed?09:04
jussiRiddell: Ill check when I get home, but I expect so09:04
Riddelljussi: needs this file /usr/share/kde4/apps/words/templates/Normal/A4.desktop09:05
jussiRiddell: ok, Ill have a look when Im home again09:07
RiddellQuintasan_: yes dh_install does seem to list them all, weird09:57
RiddellQuintasan_: oh maliit-sever.install -> maliit-server.install09:59
MamarokRiddell: Amarok 2.6 is released (our website is down right now, but the tarball is in the KDE mirrors)10:52
RiddellMamarok: compiling away now in our archive and in kubutu-ninjas ppa for backports10:53
Mamarokcool :)10:53
Mamarokif you need more info, just ping me10:53
apachelogger_phonons uploaded11:03
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Riddellapachelogger_: can you put them into kubuntu-ninjas for precise as well?  I see amarok recommends them11:12
apachelogger_I am leaving for train in a bit, so earlist in 6 hours or so11:13
apachelogger_unless you are asking me to do so without testing ;)11:13
Riddellapachelogger_: ok I'll take a look11:13
RiddellI'd ask you to upload to kubuntu-ppa/backports if I didn't want it tested :)11:14
Riddellhi rbelem_ 11:14
apachelogger_^^11:14
apachelogger_Riddell: did you see my lightdm theme btw?11:15
Riddellapachelogger_: you posted a screenshot of one11:15
apachelogger_that one11:15
Riddellit had a background which was pretty but I'm not convinced it fits in with the rest of the artwork11:15
apachelogger_ah, I think you mean sheytan's mockup11:16
apachelogger_Riddell: http://wstaw.org/m/2012/08/14/plasma-desktopFg5285.png11:18
apachelogger_the one I am talking about11:18
Riddellapachelogger_: what's the word "avatar" for?11:20
Riddellwhat's the spanner icon for?11:20
ulysseshostname?11:20
ulyssesicon for change DE?11:21
Riddelldoesn't seem like the most obvious way to change your session selection11:23
apachelogger_Riddell: what ulysses guessed ^^11:23
apachelogger_Riddell: what'd be more obvious?11:23
Riddella drop down menu?11:23
apachelogger_well that is what you get when you click the icon11:23
Riddellwhich says the current selection11:23
ulysseswell, the icon is not the best, I'd change that, but no idea for the replacement11:24
apachelogger_Riddell: that's assuming people care sufficienty to have this information ever s present11:24
* apachelogger_ can't type anymore apparently11:24
yofelapachelogger_: add a checkbox to show it then, *I* care very much what session I login to, and it's a pain to login, notice the wrong session, logout and login again11:25
Riddellapachelogger_: how is this better than the default theme?11:26
yofelmore like: how is it better than the simple theme?11:26
apachelogger_simple theme?11:27
apachelogger_Riddell: it's less buggy11:27
yofelclassic theme I mean11:27
apachelogger_yofel: my mom does not know her user name11:28
yofelgood point11:28
yofelanything you have planned for that huge empty space at the right?11:28
apachelogger_Riddell: we could pimp the default one, but IMHO the picture approach is vastly flawed if we don't make it insanely easy to take pictures of sane quality11:29
apachelogger_which is mostly what I dislike about the default theme in the short term11:29
apachelogger_yofel: logo perhaps11:29
apachelogger_what I do wonder though ... how is one supposed to change the keyboad layout with lightdm?11:30
yofelok, as long as *something* is there, currently the design falls over on the left11:30
yofelotherwise not bad11:30
apachelogger_the falling over part is artistically intended ^^11:31
apachelogger_just need some drama on the right and it will work out fine ^^11:31
apachelogger_anyhow11:31
apachelogger_gotta go11:31
apachelogger_laters11:31
Darkwingshadeslayer: yes, that worked from yesterday, thank you.11:35
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QuintasanRiddell: Oh silly me12:07
DarkwingMorning Quintasan12:23
Riddellhmm?14:09
RiddellI've not seen that before14:09
jtechidnapretty handy14:10
* Riddell gets onto kdevelop14:14
ScottKI asked stgraber to set that up a while ago.  14:17
ScottK(the queuebot)14:17
ScottKIt just doesn't come up that often.14:17
Riddellah ScottK, would you be in a New mood today?14:19
ScottKI'll possibly have time today.  Depends on how fast $WORK gets done.14:20
Riddellvery disciplined of you14:20
ScottKMotivating my self to procrastinate doing New isn't very hard.14:20
jtechidnaheh14:21
Riddellmy plasma theme is excessively transparent, and now I can't even work out how to change plasma theme14:39
DarkwingRiddell, System settings isn't working?14:40
RiddellDarkwing: where do I find it in system settings?14:45
jtechidnaRiddell: Workspace Appearance -> Desktop Theme14:45
apol_jtechidna: did you know taht they changed http://reviews.ubuntu.com/reviews/api/1.0/review-stats/ to return a zip file?14:47
jtechidnaof course they did >.<14:47
jtechidnagah14:47
apol_well, we didn't change muon :D14:47
apol_I've spent quite some minutes trying to figure out what happened14:47
jtechidnas/of course they did/of course they would14:47
apol_yeah well14:48
apol_they broke the API because it was convenient14:48
jtechidnahmm, wget says that the mimetype is still application/json14:48
Riddellah hah, but is this a normal amount of transparency?  (see calendar widget) http://starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/plasma.png14:48
jtechidnaRiddell: looks about normal14:49
jtechidnahmm, actually14:49
apol_jtechidna: http://wstaw.org/m/2012/08/14/plasma-desktopqP1845.png14:49
jtechidnaRiddell: my tooltips look that transparent, but the calendar widget doesn't look as transparent14:50
DarkwingRiddell, That looks ok. I like this one... It's Helium theme. http://imm.io/Awka14:50
DarkwingOh, That's alos homerun containment.14:51
jtechidnaapol_: maybe rekonq is wrong? ark doesn't recognize the file as an archive14:51
Darkwings/alos/also14:51
apol_weird14:51
jtechidnahmm, but ratings are broken for me14:51
apol_jtechidna: http://wstaw.org/m/2012/08/14/plasma-desktopRS1845.png14:52
apol_ark is wrong too? :D14:52
apol_ark is wrong too? :D14:52
apol_oops14:52
jtechidnaapol_: oh, what happens if you take the trailing / off the url?14:52
jtechidnathat's what I was wget'ing14:52
jtechidnait returned index.html when I wget'd the url with the trailing /14:53
apol_maybe that hit your cache?14:53
jtechidnamaybe. how do I clear that?14:54
apol_ugh14:54
apol_jtechidna: now i get text too :S14:54
apol_or not14:55
apol_jtechidna: try curl http://reviews.ubuntu.com/reviews/api/1.0/review-stats/14:55
apol_I think chromium/rekonq recognize gzip14:55
jtechidnaew, I get a binary stream with curl14:57
apol_yep14:58
jtechidnasigh14:58
jtechidnaapol_: this is what the ubuntu software center's cache file looks like: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1146992/15:03
apol_jtechidna: there are a lot of empty lines there15:04
jtechidnathey were able to change it to gzipped without modifying USC's code, so I wonder how they did it15:04
Darkwinghey jtechidna, I just realized that its you15:04
jtechidnaDarkwing: alt nick on a different computer ;-)15:04
jtechidnaapol_: give it a second to load15:04
apol_jtechidna: they're probably using a library that understands that it's a gzip automatically15:04
jtechidnaprobably15:04
Darkwingahhhhh :D this is why i use quassel-core for my irc needs\15:04
apol_jtechidna: I'll try to fix it now and port it to 1.4... -.-15:05
jtechidnaDarkwing: I'm old-fashioned :P15:05
Darkwinguh huh15:05
jtechidnaI'd set up an IRC bouncer, but I'm too lazy and don't have a suitable server15:05
DarkwingIm borrowing enough space for -core only15:06
jtechidnaapol_: I'll see about getting an SRU for 1.3 for Kubuntu 12.0415:07
apol_jtechidna: SRU?15:08
jtechidnaapol_: Stable Release Update to the packages in Kubuntu 12.0415:08
jtechidnaan updated package with a minimal patch to fix specific issues, basically15:09
jtechidnaa bunch of red tape is what it is :P https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CFYQFjAA&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwiki.ubuntu.com%2FStableReleaseUpdates&ei=F2oqUOj4LuTc6wHNg4C4CA&usg=AFQjCNFl9CrvGudijLLJ0UQ8dxx7Lj3WRQ&sig2=yUIxZoIuNXEBTSvYV1dVfQ15:09
apol_ok as you wish15:09
jtechidnaer15:09
jtechidnahttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates15:09
apol_IMHO it would make full sense to use 1.4 in 12.04, but I've never understood ubuntu anyway :P15:09
jtechidnaapol_: the "piston" json library that they use does infact provide transparent gzip sup port15:12
apol_jtechidna: yeah well, that's no argument15:12
apol_it's an API15:12
apol_:P15:12
jtechidnalooks like they were planning this for at least a year: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/foundations-o-ratings-and-reviews-in-software-center15:12
jtechidnaand we made an impelmentation that just happened to work with the way things were currently set up on the web-facing side of thigns15:13
jtechidnas/thigns/things15:13
apol_well it's not really how API's work15:14
apol_jtechidna: in any case, it's fixed now15:14
jtechidnagreat :)15:14
jtechidnaI'll throw fixing 12.04 on my todo list then15:14
tsdgeosapol_: discussing api's with python guys? good luck ;-)15:14
apol_jtechidna: if you get to go to another UDS, please tell them to consider us as consumers of their API and tell us about their plans15:15
jtechidnaapol_: will do15:15
apol_jtechidna: otherwise we shouldn't consider them as a data backend, for good or bad15:15
jtechidnatsdgeos: ;-)15:15
jtechidnayou should see the comments I have in the code that parses that crap xD15:15
apol_tsdgeos: well, I've done that before, won't even bother to talk to them this time :(15:15
jtechidnaapol_: does blue systems sponsor you to travel to such events as UDS?15:16
apol_jtechidna: I've never been there, I could discuss this if we thought it was necessary15:17
jtechidnaok15:18
jtechidnaI won't be able to make it to this next UDS due to uni15:18
Riddellkubutnu council could consider sponsorship too if requested15:18
jtechidnaDoes the Kubuntu Council have the resources to sponsor people?15:19
jtechidna(just curious, dunno where we'd get the money to do that)15:19
apol_jtechidna: blue systems :D15:20
jtechidna:D15:20
apol_jtechidna: and the bug is fixed both in master and 1.415:20
jtechidnagreat, thanks again15:20
Riddelljtechidna: yes, a kind donation, also can be used on anything else we want, I'd love to have someone make business cards or shirts 15:21
* jtechidna nods15:21
apol_Riddell: you can have business cards by the KDE eV15:21
Riddellapol_: but it won't say Kubuntu on it :)15:21
apol_well, you get to put your role in there15:22
apol_so you can say you're Kubuntu supergalactic chief15:22
jtechidnahaha15:22
jtechidnabbiab, grabbing lunch15:22
ScottKRiddell: Don't we need trademarks sorted before shirts?15:27
RiddellScottK: kubuntu is perfectly allowed to use its own name15:28
Riddellthat's not in question15:28
Riddellonly third party companies is15:29
ScottKOK.  I thought it was an issue for anyone !Canonical.15:29
ScottKAnd the Kubuntu entity is not a corporation?15:30
RiddellScottK: right, the kubuntu council is a simple constituted group15:30
ScottKOK.15:30
rbelem_Riddell, heya15:31
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jussiyay for 800x60015:58
jussiI wonder how to fixor this...15:58
jussiI blame NVIDIA!15:59
ScottKBy definition.16:06
shadeslayerafiestas_: any ideas who works on disk mounting/unmounting in KDE?16:12
shadeslayerexternal HDD stuff I mean16:13
shadeslayercould someone look at bug 875040?18:30
ubottuLaunchpad bug 875040 in kmymoney (Ubuntu) "KMyMoney window cannot be resized smaller" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/87504018:30
shadeslayerapachelogger_: ^ I'm assigning that to you :P18:31
shadeslayeroh ugh18:31
* shadeslayer forgot about the other digikam bug on his todo18:31
shadeslayerallee: ^ I completely forgot about the xpm bug, I'll have a look at it tomorrow18:31
ronnocWasn't there a discussion somewhere (I can't find it :/ ) about putting a baclup solution on the DVD? Where does that stand - anyone know?19:22
ScottKWe're getting rid of the DVD, so it's OBE.19:23
ScottKIIRC someone went through and evaluated alternatives.19:23
ScottKI don't recall if we picked a 'best' choice.19:23
ronnocScottK: K, thanks. Was the deciding factor as to whether a backup app should be provided or not dependent on going to a DVD for default medium? Or is it deciding on the best solution?19:39
shadeslayerQuintasan was looking into that afaik19:39
ScottKronnoc: When we were on a 700MB CD, there was no way it was going to fix.19:40
ScottKfix/fit19:40
jussishadeslayer: I am very glad you were wrong :D19:41
shadeslayeroh?19:42
shadeslayerjussi: nvidia?19:42
jussishadeslayer: yep19:42
jussiworks in quantal19:42
shadeslayerbinary compatible driver?19:42
jussibeta driver apparently19:42
ronnocPersonally, I don't understand the need for a CD-size-limit. Kubuntu can't really likely be installed on a system that originally came with a CD Rom. But that's just moi. 19:42
shadeslayerscumbag ATi :P19:42
shadeslayerahh 19:42
shadeslayerronnoc: that's been removed19:42
shadeslayeri.e. the limit has been removed19:42
jussishadeslayer: anyway, just thought Id let you know. 19:43
shadeslayeroh cool19:43
* shadeslayer wants a beta fglrx driver19:43
ronnocshadeslayer: I was thinking that was the case. Thanks for the confirmation.19:43
yofelmy last experience with nvidia in quantal was that it broke suspend19:43
* yofel is on nouveau for now19:43
shadeslayerI just want fglrx for one thing, graphics switching19:44
ScottKRiddell: Any reason when you were updating lightdm for the guest account stuff you didn't add lightdm-kde-greeter as an alternative recommends for lightdm?19:52
RiddellScottK: no good reason, my wonky eyes must have missed that one19:56
RiddellScottK: it's maintained in the UDD branch, can be easily added there19:56
ScottKNo problem.  I'll add it there.19:56
ScottKDone in bzr.19:59
ScottKRiddell: We currently have lightdm-kde-greeter and kdm seeded.  That seems suboptimal.  Is it on purpose?20:00
ScottKOh, wait.20:00
ScottKNevermind.20:01
ScottKMissed the '#' at the start of the line.20:01
RiddellI didn't think I was that bad20:08
RiddellScottK: but it does remind me it needs worked out how to ensure kdm gets removed on upgrade20:08
ScottKu-m could remove it.20:09
yofelwhy would it need to be removed? Rather just change the default20:10
Riddellyeah I've done that before, couldn't find it when grepping (I spent all of 60 seconds on it)20:10
yofelif possible20:10
afiestas_shadeslayer: I do20:12
afiestas_I do libsolid, maintain everything but the plasmoid and dolphin sidebar20:12
Riddellyofel: you mean just change it for new installs?20:12
shadeslayerafiestas_: ok, so, udisks2 has this interface that does SMART testing20:12
shadeslayerand a interface that allows you to shut down your external HDD20:12
RiddellI'm a bit scared of having two display managers installed at the same time, the live CD broke when that was the case for a bit20:12
shadeslayerso, 2 questions, 1) Any way we can display the SMART status of a disk to the user via dolphin20:13
yofelRiddell: well, that would be the better way anyway, but I meant to change /etc/X11/default-display-manager20:13
shadeslayerand 2) Any particular reason why a external HDD is not powered off when you eject the drive20:13
afiestas_shadeslayer: via dolphin I doubt, normal people don't want that (maybe some specific data?)20:13
yofelif having 2 DM's breaks something then something's really wrong20:13
afiestas_my gsoc is writtin an app to show and perform SMART tests20:13
yofelkdm is happily installed here and never pops up20:13
shadeslayerright, I would very much like that20:13
afiestas_shadeslayer: nope, no particular reason but for change this I'd like to digg about this20:14
shadeslayerdoesn't have to be in dolphin, but that's where I would look anywya20:14
shadeslayer*anyway20:14
afiestas_read or ask to kernel developers etc20:14
ScottKIt'd be interesting to know if there's actual data suggesting SMART effectively predicts anything.  IIRC, several years ago it was studied and didn't.20:14
afiestas_my question is, why we haven't had that in udisk or hal?20:14
shadeslayerafiestas_: udisks2 offers you the ability to shut it down20:14
afiestas_shadeslayer: but not the 2 stuff before it when it was perfectly possible20:14
afiestas_makes my doubt that we need to shutdown by default20:14
shadeslayerScottK: well .. if you want to send in your drive for replacement, you need to tell them what's wrong, the best way to do that is to use SMART data20:15
afiestas_actually, why udisk2 is not shutdowingby default?20:15
shadeslayerdunno20:15
shadeslayerI'm just curious20:15
afiestas_shadeslayer: I'm not saying we should not, I'm saying we have to investigate before modifying this20:15
shadeslayerright20:16
yofelScottK: SSD's at least put some statistical data there - now the question is whether you really want to nag the user that his drive believes it's worn out20:19
yofeland most vendors put whatever they want in there anyway20:20
yofelshadeslayer: btw. - IMO the SMART data isn't something that belongs into dolpin but into kinfocenter20:29
shadeslayeralright, my point was, I have no idea how to find SMART info20:37
shadeslayerin KDE20:37
cmaginashadeslayer: if you want a good (to me) example on where low level disk utilities should be managed, take a look at gnome's disk utility (http://people.freedesktop.org/~david/blog-entry-20091216/partitioning.png) 20:49
cmaginathats an old one, but it hasn't changed a whole lot20:49
shadeslayerhaha20:49
shadeslayercmagina: that's where I got the idea from :P20:49
cmagina:)20:49
cmaginawell, if you wanted to give KDE its own disk utility interface ;)20:50
Riddelldoes/should partitionmanager do it?20:51
cmaginathe kde partition manager isn't even truly integrated into system settings, so i'm sure it could use the love plus additional features20:51
cmaginanah, just does partitioning20:51
shadeslayer^20:57
shadeslayerRiddell: that's where I checked as well20:57
shadeslayerthen I grepped gnome-disk-utility for the necessary interface20:57
shadeslayerand turns out udisk2 does offer all of that, so poked afiestas_ :P20:58
shadeslayerafiestas_: I want to properly discuss this, which ML should I poke?20:58
afiestas_shadeslayer: kde-hardware-devel 20:59
afiestas_and if you do some digg of your own that would be appreaciated20:59
shadeslayerafiestas_: yeah, I plan to21:00
afiestas_maybe asking udisk develoepr about it21:00
shadeslayerafiestas_: the interface is there, I've already looked into it21:00
shadeslayerafiestas_: http://udisks.freedesktop.org/docs/latest/gdbus-org.freedesktop.UDisks2.Drive.Ata.html21:00
afiestas_shadeslayer: I'm more intereste in the reasons of why that is not called by default21:01
shadeslayeroh, you're talking about ejecting21:01
shadeslayerI was talking about SMART21:01
afiestas_about smart my gsoc has take care of everything21:02
afiestas_checkout scratch repos called solid-smart21:02
shadeslayerokie21:06
shadeslayerafiestas_: what's your identity name?21:07
shadeslayerI don't want to open gitweb.kde.org :P21:07
shadeslayerok, so I'm a bit lost with taskel, how does one make a meta package provide a task?21:25
shadeslayeror how does one define a task?21:26
shadeslayerseems like everything comes from tasksel-data21:27
Riddellshadeslayer: happy independence day21:46
shadeslayer:D21:46
shadeslayerRiddell: thanks!21:46
shadeslayerafiestas_: http://quickgit.kde.org/index.php?p=scratch%2Fkamath%2Fsolidsmart.git&a=summary < is that it?21:54
shadeslayergah22:25
shadeslayerafiestas_: if that's the correct repo, solidsmart/backends doesn't have a CMakeLists.txt22:26

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